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[Unmoderated] Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!!ANN.lu
Posted on 02-Oct-2003 22:02 GMT by Dr Secret21 comments
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Slashdot has reported that the Half Life 2 source code has been leaked!
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 1 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 02-Oct-2003 20:33 GMT
Some people are just plain sad.
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 2 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 02-Oct-2003 20:55 GMT
Waiting for the inevitable "Amiga port" barrage.
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 3 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 02-Oct-2003 21:17 GMT
Can you play it on a phone??
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 4 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 02-Oct-2003 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (KenH):
lolroflmfao!
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 5 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 02-Oct-2003 23:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (KenH):
You cannot play it on a train
you cannot play it on a plane
you cannot play it here or there
you cannot play it anywhere
I will not eat green eggs and ham
I will not eat them sam I am!
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 6 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Rimmer on 03-Oct-2003 03:11 GMT
If you are handling really sensitive data and use outlook, then you must be pretty stupid!
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 7 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 03-Oct-2003 05:07 GMT
"Le canard enchaîné" has reported that the Windows 2003 server source code has been leaked.
"Le Figaro Madame" has reported that "Cosmopolitan photo" source code has been leaked.

...and...

"Le Virus Informatique" has reported that Linux Mandrake 9.5 source code has been leaked.

NB : This is humor, in case a few jackasses didn't understand it just by reading it.
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 8 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 03-Oct-2003 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rimmer):
Millions of people do. It happens to be a world leading tool for that purpose. Now why would anyone place the entire source in outlook?

AdmV
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 9 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2003 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (AdmV):
Who said they put the source *in* Outlook?

The statement says: they have been trojaned by a specially created tool for
that purpose, which they suspect was deployed via an Outlook bug. Keystroke
loggers got installed at some point, and they used that data to gain access
to the source code.

They think this is related to the fact that they have been the recipient of
DoS attacks. Perhaps a diversionary tactic? Or just someone at id is pissed
off that HL2 is a better game than Doom III will ever be? :D

It does suck though. I don't see any reason to attack Valve like this.

BTW the reason people in business use Outlook (and Exchange) is because it's
the best PIM and corporate management tool available. No, there aren't any
good alternatives: you just go find me an all-in-one server option and
interoperable client that provides email & webmail, instant messaging,
calendars (great to see when the boss is away on a meeting), journals (great
for tracking bugs!), task lists, global contacts for the company, newsgroup
feeds.. need I go on?

I've set up systems both based on Exchange/Outlook and also under Linux, and
it takes a day to set up Exchange, most of which is installing 4 CDs worth of
crap onto the server (Windows, Exchange, Outlook installation package so that
you don't need the CD to install updates or add features to clients, and then
all the service packs) and configuring the domain controller.

With Linux, considering you have to pick up an imap server, seperate smtp,
ldap, acap, squirrelmail, some kind of calendar (see freshmeat for a few) that
is web-based.. or buy a commercial "calendars in imap folders" solution.. try
and get Eudora or Mulberry to talk to them from Windows, and then teach people
to configure each one individually via text files (so you don't have to babysit
the server 24/7), I'd say this particular solution isn't fully mature and isn't
to be recommended for 90% of companies out there.

=Neko=
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 10 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2003 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
And no, there isn't a decent commercial solution that replaces Exchange
either. Lotus Domino is disgusting. I think there's a commercial thing for
Linux which tries to mimic Exchange, and a completely new system out there
for Linux, but which has no support for Outlook yet (and developing Windows
games on Linux is.. umm... daft, in the case of Valve :)

=Neko=
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 11 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Oct-2003 07:21 GMT
AdmV, yes I believe you're right. Outlook *is* indeed a world leading
tool for the purpose of being stupid.
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 12 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
One alternative we at work use is phpgroupware, it's not really suited to replace Exchange yet, but for smaller networks/clients it's perfect.

Cheers
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 13 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Oct-2003 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Johan Rönnblom):
In my not so humble opinion every M$ user deserves what they get, it's a huge dump of crap with holes all over the place.

I'd rather go back to DOS then to be dependant on Windows with any sensitive data.

Cheers
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 14 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 03-Oct-2003 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Johan Rönnblom):
People who choose Outlook and exchange are not stupid per se. They are stupid if they do not sucure and update such tools.

If you would like to argue the merit of running open sourced tools and untils , and not securing them or updating them, feel free.

If I were running an enterprise I would consider exchange and outlook. I would also consider samsung contact, suse's exchange replacement, samsung contact and other options. All of them require money, all of them require work and support and all of them offer more than the open sourced efforts that I have seen (although there are certainly some appearing now worthy of investagation).

People who smear outlook/exchange have fair reason to do so based on history and bugs and security failures. But then, it tends to come from people who prefer to ignore things like sendmails security and bugridden histroy and other tools failures. There is no damn panacea. If you run tools and utils you accept the responsibility of running them securely, and patch them when required. This is not a cheap and easy effort.

Perhaps you should attack business in general for not running systems properly and corectly in the first instance. That applies to wether a business runs open source or not.

I partially agree with some of Neko's sentiments, aside from his statement that there are no options compared to exchange. There are. They get quite close to 100% function to in some cases.

Anyway, I digress, declaring someone stupid for using a tool not of their own choosing (which occurs in many a company) is in itself fairly dim-witted

AdmV
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 15 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 03-Oct-2003 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (T_Bone):
While I don't think for one nanosecond that there will be an Amiga port, don't forget that AmigaQuake was originally built from stolen sourcecode.
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 16 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 03-Oct-2003 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
ask lotus?
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 17 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2003 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (AdmV):
In my experience building and migrating entire Windows 2000 and 2003 Server
domains, with mail, contact sharing, sql, huge installed databases with
replication, outlook automation (i.e. mailbots which are VB scripts running in
Outlook - exactly like one of those viruses, but legitimate), dns solutions,
webservers and of course basic internet access and firewalling (all at the same
customer company), the solutions provided by Microsoft hit that sweet spot
that says "all the support contacts are the same" and stops the customer from
whining so much.

We tried Samsung Contact but it wasn't too hot in my opinion. It's cost and
features make Exchange look crappy and expensive, but it doesn't integrate
with Active Directory as well, does it? :D

Maybe this will change once Samba 3.0 hits the big time and everyone rushes
to clone Windows 2000 AD features on their Linux boxes. Otherwise a company
running mostly Windows servers aren't going to want a rogue Linux box on
campus, and all the extra support and people it'd need.

I'd also quite like to see SC on FreeBSD, because I found it to be a more
stable platform with more solid features than Linux as a whole - unless you're
talking about SuSE or RedHat, which I loathe for different reasons.

OpenExchange looks cute, but isn't anywhere near ready for selling to people.
If you're a large company with a large staff to administer this stuff, then it
might be viable, if you're outsourcing your tech guys or buying from a
reseller, then I doubt it'd get a second glance (as a reseller, I certainly
glanced at it a few times, and then ordered some more Exchange media kits)

Alternatives that run on Windows had better knock Exchange out of the water
to be really viable, and I mean more than just saying "we're more secure" -
no network server with open services is secure, not even on OpenBSD :)

Alternatives that run on Linux had better be OpenSource, and I'd pay for it if
it had a decent support contract: so that I can build it for FreeBSD instead
and run it on a server I'd enjoy administering :D

=Neko=
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 18 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 03-Oct-2003 09:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Amon_Re):
Dos has little or no security. You'd have to use hardware security/ no physical access and I think you can probably rule that out as a sensible option

AdmV
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 19 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 03-Oct-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Neko):
Your comments is ""


""In my experience building and migrating entire Windows 2000 and 2003 Server
domains, with mail, contact sharing, sql, huge installed databases with
replication, outlook automation (i.e. mailbots which are VB scripts running in
Outlook - exactly like one of those viruses, but legitimate), dns solutions,
webservers and of course basic internet access and firewalling (all at the same
customer company), the solutions provided by Microsoft hit that sweet spot
that says "all the support contacts are the same" and stops the customer from
whining so much. ""

Microsoft tools and software have the benefits and drawbacks you expect in this situation. Business problems can sometimes be solved by a solution and sometimes not. The one stop shop method works, albeit with some problems of its own.

""We tried Samsung Contact but it wasn't too hot in my opinion. It's cost and
features make Exchange look crappy and expensive, but it doesn't integrate
with Active Directory as well, does it? :D""

Indeed. Contact is ok, but like many offerings when you look carefully below the blurb you begin to hit issues. Unlike many, I find that the original NT system and Active Directory leave much to be desired. The original Novell idea seems so much nicer than the MS implementation. Its nice to see some improvements in 2003 server in terms of AD. I am still convincing myself AD is all good.

""Maybe this will change once Samba 3.0 hits the big time and everyone rushes
to clone Windows 2000 AD features on their Linux boxes. Otherwise a company
running mostly Windows servers aren't going to want a rogue Linux box on
campus, and all the extra support and people it'd need.""

Nothing wrong with Samba. Ver 3 allows full DC operative work, but I have just found too many issues with samba when in use for me to be comfortable. Thats a side issue, you can use it, and it does work. Would I use it? Depends on the circumstances, and what people expect from the solution you come up with.

"I'd also quite like to see SC on FreeBSD, because I found it to be a more
stable platform with more solid features than Linux as a whole - unless you're
talking about SuSE or RedHat, which I loathe for different reasons."

I loathe nothing that works. People blindly ignore the upkeep requirements on all these different offerings, somehow believing that open source by itself makes you secure and safe (insane idealism) or that its cheaper to look after and admin. Careful appreciation of security problems is needed before you crucify just microsoft for security or application failures. At least to me the whole software problem is an interesting one. No where else in human engineering do you get away with shipping faulty goods without warranty.

""OpenExchange looks cute, but isn't anywhere near ready for selling to people.
If you're a large company with a large staff to administer this stuff, then it
might be viable, if you're outsourcing your tech guys or buying from a
reseller, then I doubt it'd get a second glance (as a reseller, I certainly
glanced at it a few times, and then ordered some more Exchange media kits)""

Large companies like any company make their choices on a host of reasons beyond just the view of people who make a case against MS. The truth is that MS admin staff are abundant, most end users know and understand MS tools and utils and so on.

""Alternatives that run on Windows had better knock Exchange out of the water
to be really viable, and I mean more than just saying "we're more secure" -
no network server with open services is secure, not even on OpenBSD :)""

I agree no one has really made a product to match. When they do, it will do well. But such products are true enterprise products. As such people expct real support. That means its going to come from a big player, not a bedroom coder, and its not in all probability going to be a small team project. The larger players to me have faile so far. Maybe they should stop trying to be exchange and outlook, and come up with a new better idea/implementation.

""Alternatives that run on Linux had better be OpenSource, and I'd pay for it if
it had a decent support contract: so that I can build it for FreeBSD instead
and run it on a server I'd enjoy administering :D""

Sigh. Look, you people have to move away from this idea of everything must be a set criteria. You can't just refuse a product based on the fact it might or might not be open sourced. I happen to think that if all we had was open sourced software, things would be very bad. I actually want both types and I don't really care for demands of the open source brigade once you start decraling anything else as out of bounds. Despite the source code availability, my knowledge and background tends to indicate support contracts are generally no better than one another be they windows or open sourced. You get the same deal. Very few support conracts will cover complete re-writes of program code. Thats normally done by the program maintainers be they open OR closed source.

Anyway, I have to say that talking about real IT and business in amiga forums is a sad idea. Most people don't have a clue. You are not one of those people, but this thread speaks for itself to a large degree in that regard.

AdmV
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 20 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Oct-2003 09:49 GMT
AdmV, yes, anyone who has Outlook and does not take appropriate
measures (eg, deletion of Outlook and replacement with a real email
program), can of course expect trouble.
Half Life 2 Source Code Available?!! : Comment 21 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 03-Oct-2003 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Johan Rönnblom):
Ok, please advise how you expect someone who lives under my IT regime where you say removing software they cannot remove and how they install software they cannot install is the way to go. End USERS do NOT decide what they run in business - they are told to run stuff and given tools and they in all real terms have very little choice in the matter. Your attack on end users is stupid.

Once you do that smart guy, feel free to come back to me.

Now if you wanna blame me for putting it out there, you have a fair more legitimate target. Feel free to give it a go

AdmV
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