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[Events] Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga ShowANN.lu
Posted on 04-Oct-2003 19:58 GMT by Chip26 comments
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Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 1 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 04-Oct-2003 17:59 GMT
Thanks for the report :)
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 2 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 04-Oct-2003 18:10 GMT
>We saw Quake II's (in 320x200) with annoying flickering.

????

I'm sure I saw no flicker, and positive that the res was higher ....

Assuming that you talk about that one Peg at the right end of the long table
(that one had a Voodoo4 with working 3D-driver).
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 3 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 04-Oct-2003 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kronos):
He speaks of lack of doublebuffer.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 4 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 04-Oct-2003 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Kronos):
Sorry, I forget to mention I missed the doublebuffering, which is a basic thing in realtime graphical rendering.

Thanks Emeric.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 5 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 04-Oct-2003 18:47 GMT
The first impression i had when arriving at the show was: our amiga world has become small. Ofcourse i had this impression allready at the last Belgian amiga show i had visited 4 or 5 years ago. But somehow, visiting amiga websites allways gives you the impression of more, of a bigger world out there. Again, the show was smaller than i had expected or hoped for.

I went to the show to see both OS4 and MorphOs for the first time. So here are my impressions of both systems:

Pegasos/MorphOs:

MorphOs 1.4 was demonstrated on a Pegasos 1 (no sign of the Pegasos 2 yet at the show). There were quite a few systems on which visitors could test and have a play with MorphOs. The impression i got when using MorphOs was very positive. It just feels like using an Amiga, but a very fast one. The system looked good (though the window gadgets are a bit too small and unclear imo), and it performed very nice too. It performed very fast and, as an amiga user, i felt immediately at home. Boot time was good, response of the system is awesome, and everything runs smooth. I tried fxpaint lite, prostation audio and some prefs, tools,... It crashed two times on me (it seems one isn't allowed to touch the mouse when the system is booting up :) ?), but i don't find this worrying really... I played some movies and quality was great.

All in all, i got very positive impression from it. With better and more powerfull hardware arriving with the Pegasos 2, the future could turn out to be good for MorphOs. But there is one thing that lacks and which is urgently needed: kick ass applications, killer demos, and software in general. A decent office package, some very good games (no, birdie shoot or whatever the name is not going to be the game that attracts people from other platforms) and a decent web browser are urgently needed if MorphOs wants to have a chance and succeed.

Promising indeed...

AmigaOne/OS4:
OS4 was demonstrated on two AOne's if i'm not mistaken (didn't see any CPPC version or did i miss it). Hyperion was there in full force with both Friedens (damn, they do look very similar :) ), Steffen and later also Ben Hermans.

I had a chance to play with it a bit. First of all, whoever did the OS4 backgroud picture for one of those AOne's, congratulations because it looked fab (the one with pFUTURE in it). As told by Hyperion in forums, we weren't to expect anything new/faster on the graphics support and speed, because they had to work on IDE and network driver. And indeed, there was slowdown when going from one tab to another in for example the prefs windows. After the window was drawn, there was a wait until the rest of the window content was filled in. However, that doesn't annoy me. You can't expect full performance when the graphics system is the major thing still to be done.

Sometimes, there was a bit of garbage left on the screen when moving screens, and sometimes the system crashed. Which revealed an interesting thing: the boot process is currently extremely fast. I estimate about 10 seconds to have the full system booted, including loading of backdrop and amidockies. Seriously impressive... (i hate long boot times).

The demonstration of OS4 did leave a positive impression on me. I found the system running quite good and stable (the workbench itself), rather impressive considering the fact that it is only ported to AOne for 2/3 weeks. It shows that the system and concept behind it are working. The AOne version still needs quite a lot of work, according to one of the Friedens (sorry, but this is the closest i got to identify who is who...they should wear name tags :) ). But it shows a lot of promise, considering the fact that it will improve a lot in the graphics department with SNAP. The fact is that it works: it boots, it runs workbench, you can use it...it did fullfill my expectations .

Conclusion:
I think that both OS4 and MorphOs have a lot of potential. Obviously, there is no point in comparing them yet, because one is ready and the other isn't. I believe that they both are trying their best to create a better computer experience, in the spirit of the Amiga.

Genesi should concentrate on getting a decent browser and some killer apllications. As for Hyperion, i hope they can finish OS4 on CPPC soon, sell it and use the money to develop a cool AOne version. From what i've seen, i think it's possible.

All in all, my last impression was the same as the first one. The amiga world has grown small. And this means small budgets and money, small teams and difficult circumstances. My respect for both teams has grown. I believe that they are both doing everything possible to bring us a future. Think about that whenever you trash the one or other in a forum, sitting in front of your computer screen.
I wish both teams good luck and to the Frieden bros i wish you guys some extra good luck because you sure deserve it...
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 6 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 04-Oct-2003 19:17 GMT
Thanks for the report..

and also thanks to z5 for the extra details.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 7 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Oct-2003 19:26 GMT
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Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 8 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Oct-2003 19:26 GMT
@all you lot who attended

why didnt you come and say hi to me? I thought I was quite visible with my t-shirt and all and I was there all day, and will be tomorrow too...

Ryu
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 9 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 04-Oct-2003 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (z5):
Thanks for the excellent report, z5!
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 10 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 04-Oct-2003 20:07 GMT
>It was a big disappointment for me, there might be approx 30 visitors inside

I wasn't very crowded, but 30 people no. I counted at least double...
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 11 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 04-Oct-2003 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (bennymee):
Including exhibitors, yes it was 60, but I missed the visitors. :(
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 12 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 04-Oct-2003 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (z5):
That was a nice description, Z5.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 13 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by - on 04-Oct-2003 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (z5):
Hey thanks! Good report and no trash ;)

Stew
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 14 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Oct-2003 06:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (z5):
>(it seems one isn't allowed to touch the mouse when the system is booting up :) ?)

heh yeah .. Bios is handling mouseevents there.. I *hate* that. I am used to play with mouse while booting .. its sort of a hobby for me :)
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 15 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Oct-2003 06:28 GMT
Wonder what was wrong with FXScan as it should work perfectly.. anyway.
It's really nice to see DigiBooster in action.. it seems to be the only and last hope for trackering on Pegasos/MorphOS. Definetely a must-buy when it comes out.

What about the Papyrus-office?
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 16 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 05-Oct-2003 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (hooligan/dcs):
Rumour says that Papyrus was shown in Bremen (no sign of it in Rotterdam)
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 17 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Oct-2003 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (hooligan/dcs):
AFAIK, OctaMED soundstudio will be ported to both MorphOS and OS4. But that might take some time though. But I am sorry to say that I can't recall from where I heard that (an interview, a news post, etc?) ...
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 18 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 05-Oct-2003 08:14 GMT
Having read all the available reports it sounds like you all had a great show it's a bit worrying that there are so few visitors though.

Hopefully there will be a lot more visitors today, because 60 people are even less than we had at the OS4 presentation in Denmark and that was the first Amiga thing in DK for ages.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 19 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 05-Oct-2003 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Troels E):
Well, i've got a feeling that it only will pick up when systems are available and for sale (and none were at BAS).

I for one have decided to shut up about anything Amiga to non Amiga users until it is released. A lesson i have learnt :)
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 20 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 05-Oct-2003 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (takemehomegrandma):
To my knowledge, no. Ray Burst-Frost is willing to sell rights to SoundStudio (Amiga and PC) due to serious personal issues.
SoundStudio will most certainly come for AmigaOne/OS4 compo though.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 21 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Oct-2003 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (z5):
@ z5

Thanks for sharing your impressions with us! :-)

You wrote (about MorphOS):

"But there is one thing that lacks and which is urgently needed: kick ass applications, killer demos, and software in general. A decent office package, some very good games (no, birdie shoot or whatever the name is not going to be the game that attracts people from other platforms) and a decent web browser are urgently needed if MorphOs wants to have a chance and succeed."

... of course, that is nothing MorphOS specific, the same goes for OS4!
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 22 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Oct-2003 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (hooligan/dcs):
Maybe a non-aprilized system was in use or it was a user error (like in "change settings, try to scan from serial.device, press scan, wonder why system locks" ;) .. anyway, both full and SuBu versions runs fine and rockstable here,
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 23 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Chip on 05-Oct-2003 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
Or maybe a software error, when you just execute the software and hangs at the splash screen. Of course I don't wanted to scan, I just wanted to quit when I saw what is that 'icon' for, but it was too late.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 24 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Oct-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Chip):
If you are not sure what it was, why blame FX-Scan then? Seems a bit unfair to me .. but that's only my 0,02 $
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 25 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 06-Oct-2003 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (z5):
> First of all, whoever did the OS4 backgroud picture for one of those AOne's,
> congratulations because it looked fab (the one with pFUTURE in it

That's done by DJ Nick, you can find it at Amiga's community exchange. I agree it looks absolutely brillant, I immediately liked it also because it matches with the colors of the default look - that's why I used it for my machine :-)

Link is http://os.amiga.com/community/index.php?cat=6&file=102&op=download

> And indeed, there was slowdown when going from one tab to another in for
> example the prefs windows

That was my fault. There is an option in the GUI prefs to brighten the active tab page a bit, which is extremely slow because the effect is done on-the-fly - it will move into intuition later and won't impact on speed anymore. I left this option on by mistake...

> Sometimes, there was a bit of garbage left on the screen when moving screens

That's because these demos use direct bitmap access. Will vanish in future versions.
Some pictures in a small report from Benelux Amiga Show : Comment 26 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 06-Oct-2003 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
@Hans-Joerg:

Thanks for clarifications. I think it's shaping up to be a very nice product. Can't wait to see it with full graphic card support.

Keep up the great work :)
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