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[Rant] My AmigaOne ExperienceANN.lu
Posted on 06-Oct-2003 15:31 GMT by Joe (Edited on 2003-10-09 10:04:34 GMT by Christian Kemp)151 comments
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Read at your own risk. [ Please also read Alan M Redhouse's side of the story. - CK ] Hello there. Heres some good things to say to all you chirpy AmigaOne owners. I ordered a G3SE in November 2002 and it arrived Christmas eve. It wouldnt work from the start. Oh what a fun christmas that was. After a day of owning it I felt like smashing it to pieces. Nothing would boot whatsoever and when it did get so far it would crash at the logon screen. I called Eyetech and they sorted it out. After a while they switched it to KDE.

Next set of problems. Instability. I tried everything and nothing would resolve. The machine was basically unusable, it was logging out randomly. I posted on sites like this for help and didnt get much really. Then it wouldnt even boot KDE after a while for some reason, so I tried a re-install. Then it decided not to read any CD's. I just left it there gathering dust, too stressful to even think about to be perfectly honest.

Fast forward to about 3 weeks ago, I called Eyetech and explained about the constant problems. They said if I replaced the ROM chip and installed Debian instead of Suse it would make things better. I explained to them on the phone, I am a bit of a novice and dont really know how to do this. "Well the instructions are very clear" they say. I say "Well could I just send it back. I dont really know what I'm doing here and I dont want to make things worse". The phone conversation ends.

As I'm getting prepared to post the whole thing off I recieve an envelope from Eyetech which apparently contains a ROM puller and a ROM chip. We did not spot this at the time. There were instructions saying you need a paperclip (not a rom puller) so we got our paperclip and got prepared to remoev the "ROM". The instructions were very clear indeed... right. The photograph supposedly illustrating how to remove the ROM properly is somewhat poor quality and the mans finger is completely covering the ROM chip, thus making it impossible to see which part to remove (like I said on the phone, were novice). After trying hard to remove the thing we ended up removing the ROM chip AND the socket and most of the pins. We knew instantly the motherboard was now well and truly ####ed. We call Eyetech and they say there is nothing we can do now. After that we discover the ROM chip and puller hidden in a tiny sponge on the back of the envelope, with the replacement ROM (if we had seen this we would have known which exact part to remove).

As you can imagine I am furious with this, after 10 months of sheer hell from investing in the new "Amiga" computer, I am over £900 down, not going to get a penny back really and I feel like smashing the thing up.

Such a thing as this is what has driven me more and more away from the Amiga community.

One furious ex-Amigan.

My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 101 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Dan on 07-Oct-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (alan buxey):
"..and are YOU prepared for a visit to court for libel and slander?"

If you do some research, you will find out that Eyetech DID indeed sell motherboards without CE signs which IS illegal. They later started putting CE stickers on the boards after someone informed them, but they would probably still illegally sell boards without the CE sign if that person had simply shut up...
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 102 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by John on 07-Oct-2003 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (alan buxey):
> and are YOU prepared for a visit to court for libel and slander?

Yes i am because how the f*ck can it be libel or slander when It is a known FACT that Eyetech have broken the law which you supporters are trying yet again to cover up illegal acts

Yes Mr Redhouse take me to court PLEASE, i have the proof that you was/are still selling equipment what was not up to standards.

A full investigation should be taken and Eyetech should be shutdown.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 103 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 07-Oct-2003 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (John):
Why are you being such a total arse? What is it about Eyetechs continued existance that pains you so? Why don't you just get a life, and stop being so pathetic and pedantic.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 104 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Dan on 07-Oct-2003 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (John):
"Yes Mr Redhouse take me to court PLEASE, i have the proof that you was/are still selling equipment what was not up to standards."

He *was*. All the new A1 boards have CE stickers. Anyway, the fact that someone else had to inform Eyetech about it, is pathetic enough. Seriously, even the biggest Eyetech fan would have to admit that this was fairly stupid considering that ALL other motherboards on the market have this sign. Yet, Eyetech were selling illegal hardware for *MONTHS*... and didn't even notice.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 105 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Dan on 07-Oct-2003 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Peter Gordon):
"Why don't you just get a life, and stop being so pathetic and pedantic."

Excuse me, but selling hardware without the CE sign may result in penalty payments of upto EUR 500,000 IIRC... This is no trivial mistake. It is a MAJOR one. Sure, Eyetech would never have to pay that much. But this has nothing to do with pedantism. Plus, whoever bought a board without CE sign, surely has a fantastic chance to get his money back due to the fact that the hardware was sold illegally.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 106 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Terry Knowles on 07-Oct-2003 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Peter Gordon):
At least this John guy can back up his claims with actual proof that Eyetech are liars and break the law, you can insult people all you want but the truth is people like you hate seeing the truth and have to act like a sad child shouting all kinds of childish insults just to protect liars and cheats.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 107 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 07-Oct-2003 16:14 GMT
>I ordered a G3SE in November 2002 and it arrived Christmas eve.
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>...
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>I just left it there gathering dust, too stressful to even think about to be >perfectly honest. Fast forward to about 3 weeks ago, I called Eyetech and >explained about the constant problems.

If the thing didn't work, you should have sent it back right away and not waited almost a year. Regardless of who's fault it may or may not be that the thing didn't work at the start, your first mistake was waiting so very long to do anything about it, letting it gather dust all year as you said.

Now, yes, Linux can be a pain to install, even for people that are pretty good with computers. KDE, Gnome, whatever GUI software, anything in Linux land is certainly not for the novice to get running. If people who don't by any means consider themseves novices with computers call in help with Linux, you'd think a novice would be bugging lots of people for help. Also, if Eyetech's documentation wasn't sufficient for you to know which ROM chip to remove, what the he?! were you pulling on a socket for?? And surely it's common sense to dig through a package and find a replacement ROM chip for certain before you start trying to remove chips from the board, if not to help identify where to pull but to at least prove that there is indeed such a replacement chip in the package at all.

I have purchased things from Eyetech, and been somewhat disappointed in their documetnation as well, and your board may have been defective I don't know. but it's hard to feel sympathy for someone that failed to return a possibly defective item for nearly a year, and it's also hard to feel sympathy for someone that started yanking on chips before he even saw there actually was a new chip in the package, not yet having found it "hidden in a tiny sponge on the back of the envelope", you didn't even know if you had anything to replace the old one with, why were you trying to remove anything?! If you hadn't even found the new chip, you should have been asking Eyetech if they forgot to pack it with the instructions at that point...

Now, it may be possible htere's no Amiga folks to help you near by, fine. Surely there's someone that is handy with a soldering iron and/or pulling socketed chips somewhere around. There's likely to be a linux geek somewhere not too far these days, and he (I'd be suprised if it would be a she) would certainly enjoy the challenge of getting it running on hardware new to him. Linux geeks are like that.

That said, hopefully some other novices have learned something from this.

1. If it doesn't work, don't collect dust with it for a year, either GET HELP with it or SEND IT BACK! If a phone call with Eyetech isn't sufficiently helpful in fixing a problem, talk to more people or return it as defective as the vendor is unable to help you fix it..

2. Realize that Linux is not for newbies. If you're not comfortable figuring it out or won't/can't find sufficient help, don't buy something beyond your novice expertise level, which Linux is beyond any novice and most intermediate folks. Wait until a more suitable software package is available before spending the cash.

3. If you don't personally know anyone able to help, ask in forums or put an ad for help in the newspaper if needed.

4. If you aren't certain which chip to pull, DON'T PULL ANYTHING!

5. Check your package for ALL CONTENTS. If you haven't found the "hidden" replacement chip in the envelope yet, then there is not yet anything to replace, period, full stop. Don't begin working until all the pieces are fully accounted for. This applies to ANY PROJECT of ANY KIND, not just changing AmigaOne chips.

6. If you break something and can no longer return it, go back to finding help as you may find someone able to repair it for you. Yanking a chip off a circuit board isn't the end of the universe, there's a good chance it can be salvaged.

7. If you are no longer interested in getting the thing working, returned, replaced, or repaired, don't throw it in the trash bin. Send me an email, I may be willing to take it off your hands and pay shipping to get it here, in some cases perhaps even a small payment for the thing itself. (I wouldn't pay full price, after all at this point you consider it worthy of the trash bin don't you? And there is some chance you'd be right...)
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 108 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by serge on 07-Oct-2003 16:33 GMT
I know your nightmarre.
I bought an Aone and Alan said me it where waterproof.
so this summer I put it on ma bath to clean it and now, it doesn't
work anymore. About me it's eytech fault. What about you? I think I'm
stupid like them ;-).

If you bought a machin, it's not you work to correct theyr errors.
Your error was trying doing something you dont have to do, specialy if
you are a novice.

If you buy a car, and 2 months later your car constructor tells you this car is
dangerus because of an construction error, you will not repair it
yourself. Here it's the same thing. Sorry.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 109 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 07-Oct-2003 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Bill Toner):
Hey I offered to pay for shipping first. ;-)
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 110 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 07-Oct-2003 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (BrianK):
I hadn't seen your post, sorry. But the hint was that the learning experience that anyone, not just this guy, with a busted Amiga part, not just this particular AmigaOne, could contact me about possibly taking it. Even PC parts possibly even Mac parts. Heck, I'll even up my offer to if I can fix it perhaps selling it back to the person I get the thing from, me only keeping a fair payment for the repair work, probably only for shipping/parts even. (I already offer to upgrade Cyberstorm MK2's from 040 to 060 for no more than shipping and parts and have had one happy taker)

So you had dibs on this one, my offer stands for future stuff! You want my dead Prometheus? Apparently I did something this weekend that made it realy unhappy and none of my Amiga's detect it's presence anymore. :/ pondering if I will send it for repair as I don't have the stuff to program the FPGA if I swapped for a new chip. I'm about to buy a new one, and may get this one repaired and then resell it after being fixed or something as well.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 111 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 07-Oct-2003 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Terry Knowles):
"At least this John guy can back up his claims with actual proof that Eyetech are liars and break the law, you can insult people all you want but the truth is people like you hate seeing the truth and have to act like a sad child shouting all kinds of childish insults just to protect liars and cheats."

Aiight..and you know the WHOLE truth, you really see the pig picture? With such strong words (liar, cheater, childish, insult..) you sound more like mr Bush with his black/white attitude.
(Knowless?)
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 112 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Not a Eyetech Fan on 07-Oct-2003 17:06 GMT
Eyetech break UK laws and Amiga users bow down to them, it is no wonder why Amiga companies can get away with anything when all the Amiga cowards hide behind the phrase "Amiga community" what allows people to walk over them.

Amiga community my ass.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 113 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Niclas A on 07-Oct-2003 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Not a Eyetech Fan):
LOL you make me laugh so hard!
//Niclas
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 114 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 07-Oct-2003 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Bill Toner):
'I hadn't seen your post, sorry.'
--Not a problem just giving you a hardtime. There's plenty of users out there who would be happy to take this motherboard off of his hands. He'll get at least some $$ returned, might as well put it on Ebay and denote it here and let everyone bid away.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 115 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Jens Schönfeld on 07-Oct-2003 17:57 GMT
I usually do not add to such long threads, but I feel like I have to, because people with common sense get dissed for no appearent reason (Joanna Kurki being the one with the most precise, but hardest words for the situation).

This is the way I see it:

Eyetech first explained to Joe's parents that it's an earlybird system, not suited for anyone who is not an expert. Parents confirmed that he's a supergeek, he would be able to handle it.

Here's the first communication problem: Parents don't know anything about computers, so they can't know if their son is a computer expert. They're parents! They want to be proud of their son, so of course, he's an expert!Having this false issue, Eyetech sent out the board, and this is where the trouble started.

Joanna is right about refunding would have been the best thing, but there's a psychological problem with this: I have made this offer quite some times before to certain customers who could not handle installing a network, or handle some of my other products. The thing is that this offer is highly insulting to people, putting an even worse light on the customer support. You should have heard what people said to me on the phone when I told them that installing the XXX product in the way they want to may be too complicated without further knowledge. They did not accept that it would take me days to explain to them how it's done, and that this kind of support is not included in the price.

I'm happy to say that the C-One developers are a well-selected group of people. Only a few even applied to become developers, and out of those, only one has been rejected. The others have enough common sense to ask before they do anything. To be honest, I think the kid I rejected is very similar to you, Joe.

Joe, there's a chance to repair the board, hoping that your dad still has all the parts. Send all the stuff back to Eyetech, and give them some time. I think it should be clear that you have to pay for the repair, and most of all, you owe them a public apology for the bad mood you're trying to spread.

Jens Schönfeld
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 116 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 07-Oct-2003 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Peter Dan):
>He *was*. All the new A1 boards have CE stickers. Anyway, the fact that
>someone else had to inform Eyetech about it, is pathetic enough. Seriously,
>even the biggest Eyetech fan would have to admit that this was fairly stupid
>considering that ALL other motherboards on the market have this sign. Yet,
>Eyetech were selling illegal hardware for *MONTHS*... and didn't even notice.

I think it was just naivety rather than anything malicious. Eyetech have been an Amiga shop for a long time and the hardware they bought in was generally constructed in europe (by DCE, Phase5, and so on) and tested for CE compliance before it ever got to them. The fact that they didn't realise that products manufactured in the Far East weren't tested to the same standards just outlines their inexperience.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 117 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 07-Oct-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Peter Dan):
>Excuse me, but selling hardware without the CE sign may result in penalty
>payments of upto EUR 500,000 IIRC...

Here in the UK it's a £5000 fine and up to 6 months in prison (as far as I know)
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 118 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 18:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Peter Dan):
Well, it's surely because the Taiwanese manufacturer does know nothing about CE issues.The question is...do they sell them now with FCC mark, too? :o)
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 119 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Oct-2003 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Peter Dan):
Is it really ilegal? Everywhere? Or just in the U.K.? Never really paid much attention to that before.

Cheers
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 120 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Oct-2003 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (John):
Oh dear, now don't go bursting any vains here.

You know, even if you went to court for this, they would just get a warning & perhaps a 'fine' (is that correctly spelled?)

I wonder if it really is illegal tho, i'm no laywer

Cheers
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 121 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Oct-2003 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Terry Knowles):
*sigh* Care to list me one big corporation that never broke the law?

I have no info about this 'incident', but i really don't see the relevance of it neighter, they made a mistake, they corrected it.

For crying out load, there are better things to do then whine about this no?

Cheers
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 122 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Oct-2003 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Not a Eyetech Fan):
So.... You never bought anything from a company that ever broke the law? Why are you running windows then? Oh right, double standards...

Cheers
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 123 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Oct-2003 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Lando):
I have to agree with you here Lando, saying it was malice is, well, just not logical

Cheers
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 124 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 07-Oct-2003 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Alan M Redhouse):
we see this sort of thing go back and forth.

I've heard many horror stories about eyetech before, and then I've always heard a counter argument too, shifting all blame on back onto the customer.

I don't give a lot of merit to a retailer attacking his customer...sometimes
the customer is wrong, but thats part of the cost of doing business.

I do give merit to the idea they were sold as early bird systems, but nevertheless, eyetech is not just a retailer but a distributor, and
we saw an article just a month ago of an american retailer of eyetech's products suggesting OS 4 would be done in October, and there would be
constrained demand for boards.

Clearly someone was trying to sell these linux boards to the OS 4 market.
Can there be any other interpretation?

I'm tired of the multi levels of marketing tactics, and if somewhere, somehow
the consumer gets lost in it all, they get the blame and get called stupid
for not keeping up.

Well I warn everyone not to buy, but even *I* an unabashed troll don't call
people stupid for purchasing an AmigaONE.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 125 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 07-Oct-2003 19:30 GMT
Here it is:

http://www.ncscaug.us/intvmrhardware.htm

Remember the story broke a while back on ANN.LU too,
and I had to comment that OS 4 will not be available in October.
And that supplies of AmigaOne will NOT be constrained.

I hope its exceedingly clear why I do this.
Because there was most definately an attempt to sell what Alan suddenly
releaizes is a 'linux' only system designed only for 'experts'...an attempt
to sell them to the people waiting on OS 4.

It should be obvious.

I don't blame the consumer one bit for not being able to understand all this...
there hasn't been near enough to shore up the confusion.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 126 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Lando):
>Basically, ignore the people telling you it was your fault -
>they're talking crap.

Looks like you were the one talking crap. You and your incontrollable wish to incriminate anybody on the Amiga side.

>You have a very good case against Eyetech

ROTFL! I'd love to see the case and see the judge laughing at his face.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 127 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Lando):
>They were falsely advertised and faulty

Really? Strange, you must be the only one that didn't see the disclaimer that states that that board WAS NOT for novices.

I hope you'll learn from your own mistakes and listen to both sides first, but I really doubt it.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 128 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 22:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (MarkTime):
>Thanks for posting that honest review.

Thank you for proving more evidence of being a troll. Do you have proof that his review (which is not a review, but a rant) is honest? I was thinking it sounded way too fishy until I read Alan's reply, and now everything makes sense.
Thanks for trolling.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 129 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (JoannaK):
>If he's really so hopeless, had it not be easier to offer him a full
>refund and try to explain his parent's he's not auitable to use such
>delicate creation as Amigaone?

Joanna, you surprise me every time by proving to be dumber than I what I actually think you are.
Tomorrow I'm gonna go to my car dealer and ask for the money back for the car I bought last year because it has manual gears and I can't drive it.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 130 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 ([JC]):
It would have been the same, and that's because there are way too many idiots ready to throw darts rather than listen to both sides of the story first.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 131 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 23:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (JoannaK):
Talking about blind people... I would redirect you to a mirror but you wouldn't be able to see it.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 132 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 07-Oct-2003 23:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Anonymous):
Hi anonymous,

Alan gets frequent complaints and he always comes out swinging.
If you want to believe everything Alan says, you are more than welcome to.

There isn't a complaint you can levy against Alan, that he won't have
a response to....that makes Alan honest? LOL, not saying he's honest
or not, but it isn't proof of honesty...if you have learned that yet,
then watch a few TV debates sometime, you'll get the picture.

I've always been troll, never said I was anything else. Just because I guard
the bridge, doesn't mean you should cross it....
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 133 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 07-Oct-2003 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (MarkTime):
MR HARDWARE COMPUTERS, SELLER OF EYETECH PRODUCTS:

I think there will be a big shortage of AmigaOne's when OS4.0 is released at the end of October. If you think you want a system you can pre-order the motherboards now and decide on other parts later.

HMMMMMMM WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY:

THESE ARE EXPERT SYSTEMS FOR PEOPLE VERY FAMILIAR WITH LINUX.
LINUX IS THE OS THAT IF RELEASED AND OS 4 WILL BE RELEASED ONLY "WHEN ITS READY"

Do you know why he didn't say that? Same reason many, many, many people suggested last year that OS 4 was about to be released...remember when ADVERTS first hit AMIGA.ORG.....the word on the street from the BAF'ers was that
it was safe to buy your AmigaONE board now, cause the release was IMMINENT.

Now, you same BAF'ers, are going ape!@#$# falling over yourselves to say everyone knew this was early adopter, expert only stuff.

BULL!@#$@!#$

Why shouldn't the consumer be confused?

You all can't keep your stories straight...you aren't coming from a place
of honest, integrity, or anything else...you are just RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS.
Well this troll, thanks the COURAGEOUS person who posted their TRUE LIFE
experiences about EYETECH, and what happens in this insane environment.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 134 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Vexar on 08-Oct-2003 00:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Darren Eveland):
From a marketing standpoint,

Eyetech could do a lot of good or a lot of bad to their reputation based on how they handle this. Sure, they may be out a few clams for time and materials, but reputation is all you have in this microniche platform market.

If I sold working pilotless flying combat drones, I'd be very careful to make sure every customer was satisfied, because I probably wouldn't be able to sell many more if just one customer was dissatisfied.

And, let's face it, the BOM of the motherboard is FRACTIONAL compared to its retail price. No one spends $500 on SMT motherboards. Sans CPU, Mem, the boards might cost as little as $90 to make.

-- Vexar, the original (accept no substitutes)
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 135 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie_CI5 on 08-Oct-2003 01:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (MarkTime):
Most of us aren't "experts" but we have managed quite well. We help each other out, and we build upon each others' experiences. People before two weeks ago for example didn't know what Xfree 4.3 was, now they know. And how to install it. I remember when I had Mandrake 9.0 and then 9.2 on my system, I would log onto to www.linuxformat.co.uk and ask for help, when it wasn't made clear, I would holler alittle bit. The answer was the same: "You've got to learn some things by yourself". This doesn't really happen with us A1 owners, there are many within the community who lend us a hand, and sometimes we're in a position to help them too. The questions need to be asked, after all, Linux is Freeware (and/or Open Source) so pure Linux support is not going to be given over a Linux distro which is not attached to a company like Mandrake and/or Redhat. Yes, Linux is difficult, especially for one who does not know the intricacies of Linux, but we are all here to HELP each other.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 136 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 08-Oct-2003 05:07 GMT
> [ Please also read Alan M Redhouse's side of the story. - CK ]

When I click on "also read" it logs me in as ANN/Admin and requests a password :0
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 137 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 08-Oct-2003 05:32 GMT
Buying an AmigaOne without AmigaOS was the stupid thing to do IMO.

Heck, buying an AmigaOne with AmigaOS before trying it first would be stupid too.

Spending £900 on a slow-ass Linux box? Yup, stupid.

Oh well, looks like he can't find any sympathy here!
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 138 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 08-Oct-2003 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Amon_Re):
From Amon_Re:
"Is it really ilegal? Everywhere? Or just in the U.K.? Never really paid much attention to that before. "

It may well be. if its the CE mark, then it applies accross the EU.
having said that, Brussels makes, the rules, and only the British seem inclined to stick to em. nobody else does. just my beef against the EU.

I can imagine that it was naivete on Eyetech's (and the manufacturer's) part. I would imagine, conversely, that EVERYBODY conforms to FCC (anybody who wants to sell in the US that is (ie everybody !)) standards, which iirc are comparable to the CE standard, so moot point. this is all conjecture and educated guesswork you understand !
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 139 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 08-Oct-2003 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (strobe):
"slow-ass Linux box"

... you've not used one then.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 140 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Oct-2003 06:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster)):
Thx for the reply ;)

Cheers
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 141 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 06:50 GMT
Could someone correct the link of Alan Redoundes reply to this:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1065454293&category=rant&number=44#comment
(there is an "/admin" inside which requires a password!)
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 142 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Dan on 08-Oct-2003 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster)):
> I can imagine that it was naivete on Eyetech's (and the manufacturer's) part.
> I would imagine, conversely, that EVERYBODY conforms to FCC (anybody who
> wants to sell in the US that is (ie everybody !)) standards, which iirc are
> comparable to the CE standard, so moot point. this is all conjecture and
> educated guesswork you understand !

Eyetech sold A1 boards for MONTHS with neither _FCC_ nor _CE_ signs. So, all those boards sold in the US and Europe were sold ILLEGALLY. In the European Union, there is even a law saying that European institutions may *confiscate* all products sold without a proper CE sign...

Like I said, this is a serious matter, even though Eyetech obviously give a shit. (Excuse my French.) As reported 2 months ago, new AmigaOne boards did have a CE sticker on them all of a sudden but STILL lacked the FCC sign...

I have never ever seen a motherboard without FCC/CE signs on them. Even el-cheapo $50 motherboards have those signs. Eyetech may be great dealers, but for a company who claims to be more than just distributors of MAI hardware they did a PATHETIC job... This is totally embarrassing, guys.

And it definetely makes you wonder what Amiga Inc's strict "hardware certification requirements" are. They obviously didn't care about whether the hardware may be sold legally in the US or EU. That is, for sure.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 143 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Stan Eastwood on 08-Oct-2003 10:45 GMT
Can't access Alan Redhouses comments. Is it only me or is there a general fault on the link?
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 144 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 08-Oct-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Stan Eastwood):
I can't access Alan's side of the story. Password requiered.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 145 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Peter Dan):
>Excuse me, but selling hardware without the CE sign may result in penalty
>payments of upto EUR 500,000 IIRC

I open you plan to report every law infraction, including your illegal parkings and the pens you stole at the car insurance office.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 146 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Terry Knowles):
No, people like him, or me, are simply tired of those who self-proclaim themselves policemen of the internet and usually point fingers in the direction most convenient to them while they've probably done an illegal thing or two in their lives.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 147 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 08-Oct-2003 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Peter Dan):
Do you *actually* have an AmigaONE?
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 148 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (John):
You are being a complete twat.

Eyetech have been in the Amiga market, supporting the Amiga, for years and years.

The hardware obviously met the standards, it just didn't have the sticker (or it fell off, stickers do).

Sounds like you are just one of those anti-anything-to-do-with-Amiga people. So why do you post here. People like you make me SICK.
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 149 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 05:48 GMT
This is the main reason I`v hold off on buying an AmigaOne, untill its finished with OS4.0 and correct roms in place. I`m also hoping the price of the A1 board will fall soon, as its well overpriced now!
My AmigaOne Experience : Comment 150 of 151ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie_CI5 on 09-Oct-2003 05:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Anonymous):
"This is the main reason I`v hold off on buying an AmigaOne, untill its finished with OS4.0 and correct roms in place. I`m also hoping the price of the A1 board will fall soon, as its well overpriced now!"

It's not that overpriced, and believe me I was working within a very tight budget.
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