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Posted on 06-Oct-2003 21:22 GMT by Mikey C59 comments
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That's the sound of Total Amiga Magazine hitting letterboxes throughout the world. That's the sound of Total Amiga Magazine hitting letterboxes throughout the world.

Issue 16 is in the post to all our worldwide subscribers and fine Amiga dealers throughout the world. For details of Subscriptions, individual issues, a list of Dealers, freely downladable back issues, please visit our website at http://www.totalamiga.org

Total Amiga Magazine, 52 pages of pure fun for very little cash!

Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 1 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 06-Oct-2003 19:52 GMT
I really should subscribe to that magazine... It's only because of lazyness that I haven't got a subscription (yet) :)

How's the easiest way to subscribe(one year), when you haven't got a Visa..?
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Oct-2003 19:58 GMT
Not willing to sound rude, but... doesn't this kind of regular advertisement for a commercial product call for, say, a banner or something like that?
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 3 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 06-Oct-2003 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Fabio Alemagna):
Might be me that has misunderstood the concept but I thought the magazine was NON-profit...?
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Posted by DaveP on 06-Oct-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Troels E):
It is non profit. This is brought up almost every time, almost always by the same
people.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 5 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 06-Oct-2003 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveP):
:-)

From the Total-Amiga website:

"Total Amiga is a non-profit publication and all the contributors and everyone who works on it gives their time for free as a service to the Amiga community."
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 6 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Oct-2003 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveP):
> It is non profit.

I didn't know, I apologize.

> This is brought up almost every time, almost always by the same
> people.

Given this is the 1st time I make such a remark, I must assume I fall in the error range of that "almost" you used. I see you are pretty good at making such -- hum, how to call them... inflamatory? -- statements. Totally not called for. Moreover, you might want to prove that it's "almost always the same people" who ask such questions.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 7 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Oct-2003 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Fabio Alemagna):
However, even if non profit, I see they have adverts on their magazine, and I presume they get paid for them.

Now, I assume that the surplus they make goes is used for nothing else than the magazine itself (it being a non-profit magazine), so the question is: couldn't some of that money be used to pay adverts on this and other sites? I'm sure that they could get a good deal for that, and therefore finance other non-profit activities like the various community sites.

Look at it that way, don't always try to imply maliciouness in the writer.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 8 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Jake on 06-Oct-2003 20:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
The editor is corrupt, telling lies and taking back handers while claiming it is a non profit mag, your no better than Amiga Inc.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 9 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 06-Oct-2003 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
True.. they could do that but I seem to recall that there is no available space for banners on ANN, everything is booked atm?

And I think ANN, Amiga.org, Amigaart and Amigaworld.net has an interest in mentioning news like this, even without TA buying advertising space. Guess most people would also prefer some more pages in the magazine than an Ad here on ANN (all besides Christian Kemp:)

I think it's nice that not all stuff around here is purely for profit:-D
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 10 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga) on 06-Oct-2003 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Jake):
@Jake

I wouldn't normally feed a troll but just to make things totally clear: Total Amiga's only relationship with Amiga Inc. is the column written by Fleecy Moss (which is clearly marked with his name and position in the company) and any advertising Amiga buy which is charged at the rates mentioned on our website.

Robert Williams

Editor, Total Amiga
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 11 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Oct-2003 20:58 GMT
What kind of bias does Total Amiga Magazine have? I noticed Mikey C seems to have something to do with it, and I refer everyone to his recent pro-Amiga Inc tirade on ANN.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 12 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gadd on 06-Oct-2003 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Jake):
Why are you stupid bastards always attacking the people what do good things in this community? but continue to praise cancer in this community.

You people really are strange.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 13 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 06-Oct-2003 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (smithy):
Sigh people just love to mud sling don't they.

1: I have apologised for my appalling behaviour on that previous thread, what more would you like? Blood?

2: The Magazine is Neutral. Robert Williams (Editor) will not print biased editorial comments, nor allow any review/article to state that this product is better than that. All articles are written in an informative way and it is left to the reader to decide. (although if something is awful/good we will say so)

3: Other than the recent MacOS Reloaded feature in Issue 15 and then my Software Tycoon feature in issue 14. - That is all I have contributed text wise to the Magazine I think.

4: Issue 16 has a Morphos 1.4 review, plus other bits, and I believe an Advertisement from Genesi in this issue. (although I can't confirm)

5: My only other involvement with the magazine is trying to raise it's profile via various press releases, etc.

6: If you think the magazine is biased, then I ask you to take a look for yourself, nearly all the previous issues are available to download for FREE! via this link. http://www.totalamiga.org/backissues.html

Mikey C
Sans Flame
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 14 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 06-Oct-2003 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (smithy):
Well, why don't you read it for yourself and get a clue before you go making insinuations about its bias? hmm?
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Posted by Skyraker on 06-Oct-2003 21:25 GMT
Jeez, you guys are out to lunch.... One would think that you would be happy to have some kind of publication in circulation after all these years of watching the likes of AF and CU go tits up....

I've subbed to it, seems neutral to me .. has a Morphos review in there, should make a good toilet read (and thats praise indeed, I do all my best reading on the bog)

One last point, wtf do you care if they make a profit or not? You still get the same product for the same outlay... AFAIK it is non profit, the outlay on printing a magazine is huge, so advertising and subbs are the only way this can be met.

We also have the folks over at amiga org going into print... this can only be a good thing for us... stop friggin whinging!
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 16 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 06-Oct-2003 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (smithy):
I've read Total Amiga and it's a good mag - they do cover Pegasos / MorphOS and there's no bias there. So if you're worried about it being a paper version of aw.net, don't. I recommend it to anyone, whether you're a Pegasos/MOS user, an A1 user, or a classic Amiga user, there's something of interest for everyone.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 17 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 06-Oct-2003 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Mikey C):
>1: I have apologised for my appalling behaviour on that previous thread, what
>more would you like? Blood?

>6: If you think the magazine is biased, then I ask you to take a look for
>yourself, nearly all the previous issues are available to download for FREE!
>via this link. http://www.totalamiga.org/backissues.html

I wasn't trolling or implying anything. I didn't know where the magazine stood on the Amiga political spectrum. Which I why I asked. If I wanted to troll, I hope you've worked out by now that I'm more than capable of doing so a lot more insidiously!

Anyway, the reason I did ask was because I have seen you publicising it before, and given you graze loudly on a certain side of the fence it made me wonder.
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Posted by smithy on 06-Oct-2003 22:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Peter Gordon):
>Well, why don't you read it for yourself and get a clue before you go making
>insinuations about its bias? hmm?

There's no need to be so defensive. I genuinely didn't know where it stood and I apologise if I have suggested anything otherwise. I was just asking.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 19 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 06-Oct-2003 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (smithy):
Hey, come on, this is ANN, every statement is likely to be loaded with an agenda. The occasions where they aren't are the minority ;-)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 20 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 06-Oct-2003 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (smithy):
Yes indeed I do sit proudly on the Amiga and Co, side of the fence.

However, I have also come to realise, more so lately, that I should accept other people's choices and also to not allow myself to get carried away on a flame thread.

Having said that, like British news readers, when it comes to Total Amiga Magazine. I will remain impartial and keeps my own thoughts/opinions to myself.
(It is possible you know)

Mikey C
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 21 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga) on 06-Oct-2003 22:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (smithy):
We try to have as little bias in the magazine as possible. For news and review articles I like authors to stick to the facts and let the reader make up his or her own mind.

We do run opinion aritcles in the magazine from people with all sorts of views and affiliations. In these cases the writer may have a particular view but it is clearly their opinion, not that of the magazine as a whole. As I mentioned before where the writer is an employee of a company we make that clear so the reader can see the background to their opinions.

Anyone interested in the magazine is welcome to look at the back issues and contents lists on our website to get a feel for what we cover.

Thanks to everyone who has made positive comments in this thread. We put a lot of time and effort into Total Amiga for no financial gain because we enjoy making it and hope readers find it useful and interesting, so it's always nice to hear that Amigans appreciate it.

Robert
Editor, Total Amiga Magazine
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 22 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Oct-2003 22:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga)):
Mr Williams: I can vouch for quality of editorial work.. Articles (at
least on #15) are good quality and this magazine has a lot to read and
to learn.

News and Reviews sections are good stuff, A lots of interesting
prodicts and I especially like tutorials, I purchased hollywood about
a month ago myself and it's nice to see stuff for it. Also Aqua and
FxPaint reviews were fgood stuff..

Features section is.. well ...Lets just say.. Aros article was Ok and
Buzz-word interesting.. (for rest no public comment)

Mikey_c: A bit less buffing for AW.net, please :)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 23 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga) on 06-Oct-2003 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (JoannaK):
@JoannaK

Please call me Robert :)

I'm glad you liked the majority of issue 15.

I'm sure most readers of most magazines find their are some articles that are of no interest and maybe some opinions they disagree with. I think the best we can do is to present a mixture of subject matter and opinions so, hopefully, many people find plenty to interest them.

Cheers,

Robert
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 24 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga) on 06-Oct-2003 22:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga)):
arrrgh!

their = there

and I'm supposed to be the editor :)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 25 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Oct-2003 23:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga)):
Minor typos are only human.. No-one is 100% perfect, even though I
could name a few who seriously seem to belive so on themselves :)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 26 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by - on 07-Oct-2003 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Mikey C):
"1: I have apologised for my appalling behaviour on that previous thread, what more would you like? Blood?"

Yes! Now go donate there are others who need it :)



Stew
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 27 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 07-Oct-2003 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
"Now, I assume that the surplus they make goes is used for nothing else than the magazine itself (it being a non-profit magazine), so the question is: couldn't some of that money be used to pay adverts on this and other sites? I'm sure that they could get a good deal for that, and therefore finance other non-profit activities like the various community sites."

What makes you think they make a surplus?

It is highly likely that the editor is subsidising the magazine out of his own pocket. Certainly he is doing hundreds of hours of unpaid work that in the publishing industry would earn him thousands of pounds.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 28 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Oct-2003 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> This is brought up almost every time, almost always by the same
>> people.
> Given this is the 1st time I make such a remark, I must assume I fall in the error range of that "almost" you used.

Possibly.

> I see you are pretty good at making such -- hum, how to call them... inflamatory? -- statements.

If you find them inflammatory, then I guess they must be.

> Totally not called for.

I disagree. An ANN regular like yourself should recall the large number of times
people have accused Total Amiga like this in the past. I think it is entirely
called for.

> Moreover, you might want to prove that it's "almost always the same people" who ask such questions.

Not particularly bothered, the proof is in the public archives if you want to go
and look.

Dave.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2003 05:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
> What makes you think they make a surplus?

It's higly probable they do make some surplus, given the price of their magazine and the fact they have adverts. I see that to ship 4 mags from UK to Italy, the price is, including postage, £17 = ¤24.5, which makes about ¤8 a mag. This is more than what AFormat used to cost here in Italy, and AFormat was a commercial product which also used to come with cover CD's... True, it had a lot more adverts, but it also had more pages and, as said, cover CDs.

Apart from that, I supposed that they _want_ to make a surplus, so to be safer. But the TAM editor will know how to answer better than me to your question.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 30 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2003 05:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (DaveP):
> Not particularly bothered, the proof is in the public archives if you want to go
> and look.

Did that already, and couldn't find any reference to anyone who'd ask the same question I asked in the range of 8 months since now to back. I'm not particularly bother either, mind you, but I'd so much like if you could for once avoid making those kind of staments, if anything because they've proven to be misleading and uncalled for already (just look at what you said about Rich Woods).
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 31 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2003 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Fabio Alemagna):
> which makes about ¤8 a mag

Oops, sorry, that should have been ¤6. This is a bit less than AF's price here in Italy.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 32 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 07-Oct-2003 05:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, you are joking right?!

Do you seriously expect a community magazine, run in small print cycles, to be able to match the cost of a commercial magazine that is owned and printed by a very large publishing company that print millions of magazines each month?!

Oh never mind...

Ian
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 33 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Dom Front on 07-Oct-2003 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (IanS):
Fabio seems to be here only to throw mud at Total Amiga Magazine.

Endorsement!

Where can I subscribe?
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 34 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Oct-2003 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
Leave off. The magazine probably only makes the smallest of margins. If TAM had a large readership then of course they would no-doubt willingly go into advertising but I would guess that is no-where near feasible.

You made a valid original comment - but now that you know it is non-profit I really think you should just leave this one alone.

Sam
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Oct-2003 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Skyraker):
>(and thats praise indeed, I do all my best reading on the bog)

You too?! :-)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 36 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Oct-2003 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Mikey C):
I'm still waiting for a public apology for your (lie) attack on me...
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 37 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Oct-2003 08:55 GMT
Cool, it's a really nice mag imho.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 38 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 07-Oct-2003 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Fabio Alemagna):
@Fabio

Let it go. You're just wrong on this.

Yes, the price is comparable to that of the commercial magazines, but that's all.

TAM has a tiny circulation compared to that of the commercial magazines, even AmigActive when it closed. It is contributed to purely on a voluntary unpaid basis. There are adverts, but considering the circulation and state of the market they barely keep the price of the magazine down to a reasonable rate. Adverts in Amiga magazines don't make huge amounts of money anymore, you know. Because circulation is low, printing costs are relatively high.

Any margins they make will be tiny. If they weren't, they might be able to include colour adverts in the magazine and increase the revenue, but that's not an option right now.

It would be nice if people encouraged and even contributed to community efforts particularly when they strive to give us such excellent service. After all, isn't that what AROS is all about?

Perhaps TAM doing a feature on Amiga community forums (not THE "Amiga community forum") would return the favour in kind?
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 39 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (IanS):
> Fabio, you are joking right?!

No, I'm not. Perhaps if you stopped for a while and carefully thought about what I wrote, you'd be able to get a grasp of the reasoning behind it. But I understand that whatever one says that _seems_ to go against what you love so much makes you go nut.

> Do you seriously expect a community magazine, run in small print cycles, to be
> able to match the cost of a commercial magazine that is owned and printed by
> a very large publishing company that print millions of magazines each month?!

And do you expect a "large publishing company that print millions of magazines" to print an Amiga magazine at a loss? Of course not, so the least you can expect is that the gains at least match the expenses. In other words, the more you sell the more fixed cost you have, and you have to account for that in the price you make your readers pay for the mag. By looking at the TAM price, and by knowing they have adverts in it, I *think* the costs are covered and also some surplus is obtained.

Of course, my whole idea was based upon the assumption that a surplus is really achieved, if that is not the case then just forget about all that I wrote.

You should learn how to deal with other people opinions, dude, it may really help you not get so angry each time.


Oh never mind...
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Fabio Alemagna):
> You should learn how to deal with other people opinions, dude, it may really help you not get so angry each time.

Now please take your own advice. Why are you so obsessed with the idea that a professional quality magazine might make a profit? That's how it should be. Do you have a job, do you get paid? If so, please invest some of your immoral profits into a banner on ann ;-)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 41 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
> Now please take your own advice. Why are you so obsessed with the idea that a > professional quality magazine might make a profit?

Eh?

> That's how it should be. Do you have a job, do you get paid? If so, please
> invest some of your immoral profits into a banner on ann ;-)

Ah, now I get what you mean... you think that I have problems with them making a profit? Well, there's indeed be a problem, but not with me, if they made profits, since they are a no-profit magazine.


If they were no-profit, then my original point would stand valid, but since they are no-profit, they can't make profits, they can only make surplus which _can't_ be devoluted to anything else than the magazine itself.

But you are making a big fuss about something which you clearly don't even understand. All I did was suggesting that, if they have the possibility, they should buy some ad space here or on other sites where they regurarly make announcements about their product.

Of course mine is just a suggestion, they are free to continue the way they want, but let me express my opinion freely without fear of being constantly attacked by the same morons.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 42 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2003 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fabio Alemagna):
> be devoluted

Ehm, "devolved" sounds and looks better there :-)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 43 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga) on 07-Oct-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hi Fabio,

You're quite right that Total Amiga does make a small surplus. As we have to set the print run for each issue in advance of sales if we charged the exact cost price we would make a loss on any issues we did not sell.

Any surplus that exists is used to enhance the magazine and no monies pass out of the magazine or to contributors.

The magazine does have a small promotions budget that is used to fund our attendance of shows etc. Your suggestion of taking out banner advertising is a good one and we do appreciate the role the Amiga news sites play in publicising the magazine (and their general service to the Amiga community). If possible we would prefer to enter into a mutually beneficial agreement with other non-profit organisations, for example swapping banner advertising for a print advert in the magazine.

I hope that answers your queries.

Robert
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 44 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by cahva on 07-Oct-2003 11:00 GMT
So from now on, if a new game or program gets released which is made to make profit, cannot be posted on Amiga news-sites? Or is it just the mags that are not allowed to be posted as a news-item?

Does not compute. :)
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 45 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 07-Oct-2003 12:17 GMT
folks, before you say anything good or bad about this magazine, at least please have the decency to read at least one issue of it!!


there are certain people claiming its the tool of Amiga Inc. it aint, its very neutral.

there are certain people claiming its a cash cow for a corrupt editor, what? you're having a laugh! its non profit and Roberts a very decent bloke


people. we are Amigans. we shouldnt be blind, ignorant or prejudiced!

Alan
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 46 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga Arena on 07-Oct-2003 14:12 GMT
Dear friends,

i cant understand why there is a big discussion like that here about this great Mag!
Some of you know Iam from germany and we have only 2 german mags here.
One commerciall and one selfmade magazine like Total Amiga!

First i read it,i was impressed about the qualtiy of the reviews,storys etc.
i like it so much that i make it possible to sell it here in germany too!

so some of you know iam a future AmigaOS 4.0 Costumer and i have no problems to read
something about Amithlon,MorphOS etc. it is good to see what the other do or think
and it gives me more information.

i found some interested storys that i nerver know or read on news sites or in the
german print magazine.

i read interested workshops and get hints that i not found on the www.

Total Amiga was the first mag who shows the working of Hollywood e.g.
and bring a workshop,cool to see in a non profit mag a workshop before
in anyother commerciall magazine here in germany!

i think the team makes a very good job and if they make money why not?
it is a good sign to see if they make moeny because that shows that there
are many readers out there and perhaps the mag can grow up and get bigger and bigger!
better for me the reade and better for the amiga community to have a great mag like
Total Amiga!

I cant understand whythere a so many people in the amiga community who thinks
to attack people who try to support our machine and spend they free time and money
in project like this!

everyone knows how hard it is to create a good mag and how many time it needs!

i respect the work of theteam and i will support it!

they do something good fore us so why dont we support them?

people,it is one of the big problems in the community most people dont want to
be active for our machines but be very aktive to attack the others!

Thank you Total Amiga Team for your support!
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Oct-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (alan buxey):
I totally agree... I saw one issue my sister brought from a show, I think it
was one of the first, it rocked.
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 48 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 07-Oct-2003 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Fabio Alemagna):
No, I rather think I have a longer memory than you. Certainly not the first
time I have seen such an outcry about Total Amiga mentioning its issues are out
and certainly not just on ANN. In fact profit making companies spam here with their
advertisements.

Misleading statements over Rich Woods? Whats this, upset that I won't play
ball and get into a discussion about it on that thread? Do you seriously think that there are all sides of the Merlancia story on
Merlancia.us? I made my opinion clear, and it is still my opinion of Mr Woods and
I still stand by not contributing to making a thread 200+ useless ping pong
comments. :-)

So no, I won't quit making observational statements, even if they annoy the
hell out of you. You have the right of reply, so does Rich, so does anyone. If I
make a statement that is to the point, but deliberately vague it is there for
a reason, I alluded to the reason on that very thread but it seems none of you
were subtle enough to get the point.

Your contribution on this thread is exceedingly transparent.

I suggest, if you want to continue to rip a new one into Total Amiga that you
go and look at what a Non Profit Organisation means in the United Kingdom.

Regards

Dave.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2003 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Robert Williams (Editor of Total Amiga)):
Hello Robert,

> [...]
> The magazine does have a small promotions budget that is used to fund our
> attendance of shows etc. Your suggestion of taking out banner advertising is a
> good one and we do appreciate the role the Amiga news sites play in
> publicising the magazine (and their general service to the Amiga community).
> If possible we would prefer to enter into a mutually beneficial agreement with
> other non-profit organisations, for example swapping banner advertising for a
> print advert in the magazine.

Seems fair to me, I was only suggesting that non-profit organizations/entities such like your magazine and the various websites would collaborate with each other and exchange "favours". Never meant to throw mud at you or at your magazine as someone here suggested, just trying to make constructive criticism. I'm glad you understood what I was talking about, it relieves me there's still someone with his mind open in this community :-)

> I hope that answers your queries.

Sure, and keep up the good work!
Thud! Thud! Thud! : Comment 50 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2003 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fabio Alemagna):
> But you are making a big fuss about something which you clearly don't even understand

Thank you very much but I understand quite well (and clearly you are the person making a fuss because I commeneted with three lines and you can't stop yourself from posting novels).

> Ah, now I get what you mean... you think that I have problems with them making a profit? Well, there's indeed be a problem, but not with me, if they made profits, since they are a no-profit magazine.

Unexpectedly makeing a profit with a hobby is not a "problem" but a lucky coincidence. Whats wrong with you?!
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