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Posted on 08-Oct-2003 01:31 GMT by Ryu40 comments
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By the time most of you read this my full report should be online. At the time time of writing I am still busy uploading the larger of the 2 mpeg-1 files. So sit back, relax, grab a beer and read :-) oh and the URL's www.benelux-report.webhop.net
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Posted by JoannaK on 08-Oct-2003 00:01 GMT
Nice article.. even though there are couple mistakes i spotted on
quick read.

That G4 demonstrating person was not yet-anoter-genesi-worker but
Gunne Sten (GGS Data, Sweden). He's one of the few remainign Amiga
dealers on Sweden/Nordic area. Yes, he also sells Pegasos :)

"Empty case of pegasos 2" .. it's concept prototype of Genesi/Pexuscom
Set Top Box. Has nothing to do with Pegasos 2.
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Posted by James Carroll on 08-Oct-2003 00:30 GMT
Quake running at 91 FPS.. cool. :)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Oct-2003 01:34 GMT
I also made OS4 to lock by running WBClock, I hereby report a bug ;-)

IBrowse was running then? Thats nice.. last time it only started and crashed after a few seconds of use.

Haven't watched the videos yet.. will do that after getting home from work.

BTW, as a long time Amiga user, I am wondering a bit when you say MorphOS doesn't just feel like Amiga .. as it really does. But as you said, you're entitled to an opinion :)
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Posted by Lando on 08-Oct-2003 01:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (hooligan/dcs):
>BTW, as a long time Amiga user, I am wondering a bit when you say MorphOS
>doesn't just feel like Amiga

Well, it's too fast for one thing.
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Posted by itix on 08-Oct-2003 01:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (hooligan/dcs):
No wonder. Slow graphics on A1 screen makes it look like Amiga :-P
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Posted by tarbos on 08-Oct-2003 02:42 GMT
>We left Scunthorpe:-D Now I finally know where this infamous SCunthorpe is from. >It ran well when it was left alone but I did see it crash a lot when it was being used. So this app ran on MOS? >I had expected to see a very poor OS4 with slow redrawing, but I saw something>far from what I had expected. OS4 seems quite responsive to me, solid window>resizing was fast, and opening windows too was quite fast. It didn't seem too fast to me on the http://www.urbansonic.de/down/bas2003video.zip video.Nevertheless it's great they could show a lot running on OS4 already. >I also saw a native Quake1 running in software render getting 91 FPS>I ran Quake2 on the machine I was on and had a play with it. I couldn't get the>3D engine to workOh, I didn't know Quake2 had a secret topview 2D mode. :o)Seriously now, according to the morphos.net website only Voodoo3 and 4 have 3Dacceleration currently. Do you know how fast the Quake2 on Pegasos ran? Or the Voxeldemo on AmigaOne withL2 cache enabled? >came over and started to tell me repeatedly they had a G4 pegasos at the show, and>that I should go to see it. I for one couldn't see why that was such a great thing Because they are RARE (20 units?) and do have the most modern G4 and are faster thanany AmigaOne and need no fan (?) and accelerate Pegasos to be about twice as fast asthe standard G3-600 version. >I still can't see why it's great either. Its only a gutted microwave with a computer>stuck it with a TFT monitor.... oh and they powered the LCD too fantastic! Yeah, and the microwave meal "inside" didn't even rotate - how boring! :-P >I would of loved to handle one. I always think something isn't real until you 've>held it in your own hands. Just buy one, then the electrostatic problems with handling one are yours alone. :o) >I spent more time over with them having a play on their new game Gorky17, which is>for Linux and OS4. I think I've seen it already at Cologne Amiga show back in 2001. >one of the Genesi representatives said and I quote "oh well it reboots quickly" Still it spends some considerable time initializing things in OF. >I came away with a 'Super bundle', which the Hyperion crew and myself found very>amusing Why is that, did they also win a 'Super bundle'? >I was going to mention that one of the Hyperion crew was going to assist me in>burning the super bundle but I decided I wouldn't, as it would be quite inflammatory I hope it wasn't you or someone of Hyperion crew who burned that Genesi poster at WOA.:-} Too bad the microwave wasn't real as it would have given a nice light show with aCD inside...A propos burning - you surely have noticed the wonderful BurnIt3 with DVD burningcapabilities for MOS? I think you also forgot to mention Papyrus Office - finallya decent and affordable Office pack for the platform. >The pegasos and morphos is nice, but to me there is something missing, its not>an Amiga, and no its not just because its not called an Amiga. Just in my own>honest opinion, which by the way I have a right to have, is not like an Amiga,>it doesn't have the same feel to it at all. Must be the Truecolour icons! :o)But then the crashes make it very much Amiga like again. Thanks for your report and the many pictures.Anyone been able to play the divx?
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Posted by James Carroll on 08-Oct-2003 02:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (tarbos):
I couldnt get the divx clip to run.
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Posted by Hagge on 08-Oct-2003 03:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (James Carroll):
91fps seems quite slow, i wonder what they got on windows
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Posted by Hagge on 08-Oct-2003 03:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (tarbos):
Why would anyone pack a vcd with zip? And it's broken aswell.

bash-2.05b$ fetch http://www.urbansonic.de/down/bas2003video.zip
Receiving bas2003video.zip (144259363 bytes): 100% (ETA 00:00)
144259363 bytes transferred in 125.2 seconds (1.10 MBps)
bash-2.05b$ unzip bas2003video.zip
Archive: bas2003video.zip
inflating: rotterdamvideovcd.mpg bad CRC 34142ea2 (should be ef7e57fa)
bash-2.05b$
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Posted by Hagge on 08-Oct-2003 03:28 GMT
And the divx...

Playing BAS2003_divx.avi
AVI: Missing video stream!? Contact the author, it may be a bug :(
Audio file detected.
==========================================================================
Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3
MP3lib: init layer2&3 finished, tables done
AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 2 ch, 16 bit (0x10), ratio: 4000->88200 (32.0 kbit)
Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm:mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)
==========================================================================
Checking audio filter chain for 22050Hz/2ch/16bit -> 22050Hz/2ch/16bit...
AF_pre: af format: 2 bps, 2 ch, 22050 hz, little endian signed int
AF_pre: 22050Hz 2ch Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian)
AO: [oss] 22050Hz 2ch Signed 16-bit (Little-Endian) (2 bps)
Building audio filter chain for 22050Hz/2ch/16bit -> 22050Hz/2ch/16bit...
Video: no video
Starting playback...
big_values too large!
big_values too large!
big_values too large!
Blocktype == 0 and window-switching == 1 not allowed.
big_values too large!
big_values too large!
big_values too large!
Blocktype == 0 and window-switching == 1 not allowed.


MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
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Posted by Hagge on 08-Oct-2003 03:35 GMT
I might add the ziped mpeg which was mentioned in the comments worked anyway (guess it's just a small error in the end of the file) and was quite nice. To long so i moved around in it quite a bit but both morphos and amigaos seemed to run quite well.
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Posted by Gunne Steen on 08-Oct-2003 05:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JoannaK):
Thank You Joanna ! :-)

I brought the Pegasos G4 with me to the show because its one of the few made so far. And I cant remember we did run Knights & Merchants on it :-), but that could be the case of course, as it is installed, and people where free to use the computer as they wanted.
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Posted by bennymee on 08-Oct-2003 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (tarbos):
<cut>

>Do you know how fast the Quake2 on Pegasos ran? Or the Voxeldemo on AmigaOne >with
>L2 cache enabled?

Too my knowlidge, it saw 43 frames with 800x600.

>came over and started to tell me repeatedly they had a G4 pegasos at the show, and
>that I should go to see it. I for one couldn't see why that was such a great thing

>Because they are RARE (20 units?) and do have the most modern G4 and are >faster than any AmigaOne and need no fan (?)

The version showed by GSS had a fan, a small one.

>and accelerate Pegasos to be about twice as fast as
>the standard G3-600 version.

Indeed the G4 version shown was very fast. Solid windowmoving is very fast.
It is pretty fast and it was still the Pegasos 1 with a G4.
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Posted by itix on 08-Oct-2003 08:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Hagge):
> inflating: rotterdamvideovcd.mpg bad CRC 34142ea2 (should be ef7e57fa) Must be some kind of a transfer error. Because it works here.
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Posted by JoannaK on 08-Oct-2003 09:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Gunne Steen):
Gunne: Ok.. I quessesd right then :)

Anyhow.. I don understand that writer of that review is not a bit
interested on MorphOS/Pegasos but he'd still should have tried to get
basic facs right.

And ignorin good people just because they appear (at that moment)
being on 'other side' is kinda rude. And the comment about burning
the the Bundle .. well.. Shows exactly what Bifford is talkin on
TA-magazine #16 on pages 16-17.

Ah well.. none of us are perfect..
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JoannaK):
> Nice article..

Why is each and every report greeted as "nice article", even is it clearly biased, unintelligent or in parts plain stupid and arrogant? You guys are all too nice ;-) I think it would be useful to make it clear to some report writers that they have to do better (or get lost). Now I'm going to take my medicine.
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Posted by Gunne Steen on 08-Oct-2003 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (JoannaK):
Yes Joanna

I have either never really understand anything.

Sometimes it feels like they who claims they are not interrested in the Pegasos at all also are they who reads most and also do write most about it... :-)

Anyway this could be seen as an flame-attempt I guess, so best to say nothing...

As also Hyperion where at the show, I of course also took the chance to have a little smaller talk with the Friedens and also a little longer talk with Timothy De Groote from Hyperion. I think maybe we did share at least some ideas there.

I'm looking forward to when the times come I also can have a closer look on AmigaOS 4 of course and see what it have become to.

And of course I also talked with Thierry and Bernard from Genesi as well as Martin Heine and the guys from Attention Software, very nice and positive guys... as well as Kees who runs Amiga.org etc people.

I felt it was an interresting show.
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Posted by Philip Hamten on 08-Oct-2003 11:23 GMT
--
I was going to mention that one of the Hyperion crew was going to assist me in burning the super bundle
--

Hyperion i hope to god you lose games sales due to piracy, i will continue to enjoy your FREE games and i urge people to do the same.

You want to act like that then so will i.
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Posted by Kjetil on 08-Oct-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Philip Hamten):
/* Hyperion i hope to god you lose games sales due to piracy, i will continue to enjoy your FREE games and i urge people to do the same. */

Way is that? Some one from Hyperion try to be helpful an that a bad thing?
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Oct-2003 12:25 GMT
Try barbequing some sausages on it.. the high due to plastic fumes is incredible! woohooo!
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Posted by thefab on 08-Oct-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Philip Hamten):
i think you did not get the point, he won the superbundle from the lotery
so it's not piracy i suppose ;-)
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Posted by Robert on 08-Oct-2003 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
> Why is each and every report greeted as "nice article", even is it clearly
> biased, unintelligent or in parts plain stupid and arrogant?

Because it was also very honest?

Besides, it gave me a feel for the show that I otherwise did not have.

Robert.
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 08-Oct-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Philip Hamten):
Ummm... I think the whole "burn the CD" thing was, you know, a joke. As in, not serious. I think some people in the Amiga community have had a sense of humour bypass...
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Robert):
>Because it was also very honest?

This report is biased, unfair, not objective and in parts plain stupid. It is also steeped in personal preferences. There is very little honesty about it. Honest it would be if the author had said "I'm biased towards this solution, keep that in mind". He doesn't do that. Instead, he agitates against MoprphOS, and he does this in a fairly clumsy way, playing up irrelevant overvations (like a fucking broken keyboard) and not loosing much words on the OS itself. The idea pof burning a CD from the "other camp" and finding that funny indicates the mental age of a kindergarden child. I give this report a big fat D- for dishonest :-)
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Posted by John Nelson on 08-Oct-2003 13:21 GMT
I never heard Ryu claim to be unbiased, I think it's clear which of the systems he prefers which is his choice. He's not a journalist he doesn't have to be unbiased. Faults with the facts if there are any, are purely accidental cos I know he wouldn't do anything like that on purpose.

He paid lots of money to get there, took the time to take pictures & video (the cam stopped working b4 he got alot of what he wanted). Then organised the website, wrote the report etc... just so others could share HIS experience of the show.

If you don't share his opinion on anything write your own report, take your own picture & video then build ya own site and share YOUR experience.

I think the site & report are good, they reflect what he thought of the show. I would of prolly done it different but I didn't do it so...

nuff said
JohnN
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Peter Gordon):
> Ummm... I think the whole "burn the CD" thing was, you know, a joke. As in,
> not serious. I think some people in the Amiga community have had a sense of
> humour bypass...

Well, burning MorphOS/Genesi related stuff on shows has happened before.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (John Nelson):
Well I have to say im quite upset by the comments here. I spent a lot of money to get accross and give you guys my own perspective of the show. Some of you people dont realise how much effort I put into doing it for the good of this community. The burning thing was a joke, get over yourselves. It was all played with a historical background. Everyone who knows me, knows what platform I support and I am free to do so. I dont think I slated the pegasos in the review. I wrote only what happened. As for the Pegasos G4, well perhaps if people wore name tags like I think I suggested in the report I would of known he was not a genesi representative.

You lot really need to get out more and give people like me a break. I burnt myself out getting this report out of the door as quick as I could and all I get in return is a load of mindless bashing by you.

However if I got a chance to goto a show like that again, would I do a report, hell yes I would... would I write it in the same way, hell yes I would again. So your bashing will get you no where, all you are doing is showing what a hearless bunch of people you really are.

P.S I had major troubles uploading the video's, I had to get a friend on broadband to upload them and he had problems with uploading, its going up again as I type this.

Ryu
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Posted by Gunne Steen on 08-Oct-2003 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Hi Ryu

Can't remember right now who you where. Was it maybe you who came and asked about how the mouse did feel etc things... ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
> You lot really need to get out more and give people like me a break. I burnt myself out getting this report out of the door as quick as I could and all I get in return is a load of mindless bashing by you.

So basically you are a martyr? New perspective. I thought you was having a fun trip ;-) Anyway, it might be mindless bashing from your perspective but I saw it more as critizising you so that next time you will write a different report. Having an opinion and speaking your mind and ever so subtly bashing "the other camp" is all very well and fun, but as a part of your audience, I prefer qualities such as good old-fashioned fairness and objectivity and intelligence and grown-up behaviour. I mean, if you post on ann, you are not speaking to yourself, you want to be read.
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In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Profanity
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Posted by tonya on 08-Oct-2003 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (CaptainFrank):
what the hell is your problem captainfrank? , or are you totally blinded?

THIS IS RYU's Opinions and his report , i think it was one of the better ones from BAM , maybe you just need to WAKE UP?

anyway i can confirm the issue about the mouse pointer on morphos and i am also saying the same as ryu , IT DOESNT FEEL LIKE " AMIGA OS " and it shouldnt anyway, its a clone.

it has resemblance and looking alot better in many cases , but still it aint AMIGA OS.

grow up .
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Oct-2003 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Philip Hamten):
Ahem, first of all, they guy that said that wasn't from Hyperion, it was me, and it was meant as a joke, we (me & Ryu) were talking about WOA, and that Poster incident came about.

When he won the SuperBundle i joked & offered him my lighter, (for your info, i also have a picture of Ryu with said, unharmed, bundle)

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Oct-2003 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
Most of the time it's how you say things that annoys people instead of what you say.

That's an inherent problem with text only communication i guess

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Oct-2003 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (CaptainFrank):
I've met Ryu on afew shows, he's a fun guy who enjoys computers & his hobby, you on the other hand are just a bandwidth wasting troll

Cheers
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Amon_Re):
thanks for the clarrification Amon_Re, I'll ammend my report. I knew you wasnt working for hyperion, if i remember correctly you were just a hyperion slave for the weekend? ;) Thanks for the beer too... oh and any chance I could have that pic of me with the superbundle?
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2003 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
sorry that last comment was by me

Ryu
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Posted by David Patterson on 08-Oct-2003 16:39 GMT
TO all SERIOUS Amiga users and supporters... as an Amiga enthusiast myself , I can assure critics such as "anonymous" that Ryu tried his hardest to write a report which could and would give a "flavour" of the show as he saw it , for the benefit of those who could not or would not go to this event themselves. His decication to this medium is second to none , and if there were any "errors" which might have alledgedly been made , this can be put down to the sheer speed he with which he managed to compile the report he did in such a short time , for the benefit of other in the Amiga community . It so happens that as I was also at the show myself , with perhaps a more "detached" viewpoint than Ryu , I also concur with the comemnts made by him ,as I looked at and tried out things independently so I could form my own opinions . At least these are based on solid factual experience , and not the "opinions" of someone who apparantly was not at the show, and who cannot even be bothered to sign themselves except as "anonymous" ! I believe that in law that anything written annonymously is not worth the paper it is written on, and unless libellious,any "opinions expressed thus are considered to be worthless .As for some sections of the Amiga community allegedly sufering from sort of "humour bypass ", I was struck by how friendly and helpful ALL the people at the show were , with the Amiga crowd having a great sense of humour even when things did not go quite as planned . There should have been some more extensive video footage of the show , but there was an inneplixable glitch on the camcorder which was not Ryu's fault .Hope the real Amiga fans out there do appreciate just how much work has gone into Ryu's report for you . DAP.
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Posted by Paul Gadd on 08-Oct-2003 18:22 GMT
@captainfrank

Your out of order and i suggest you apolgies to Ryu.

Telling people to die because you disagree with their opinions is just low of the low.

If one person should die it should be you.
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Posted by Ryu on 08-Oct-2003 18:26 GMT
Just to let you guys know theres a mirror up for the large mpeg1 file now... the DivX has been reuploaded so that should work now too...

Ryu
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Posted by odin on 08-Oct-2003 20:06 GMT
Good god.....some of the comments here remind me exactly why I don't frequent ANN.
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