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[News] MorphOS - Ready for IBM TechnologyANN.lu
Posted on 09-Oct-2003 17:11 GMT by Emeric SH (Edited on 2003-10-09 19:46:29 GMT by Christian Kemp)120 comments
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MorphOS is approved as "Ready for IBM Technology". MorphOS is a carefully crafted blend of new ideas with tried and true techniques, all based around the new microkernel, Quark. Inspired by the efficiency found in the original Commodore Amiga and its remarkable multitasking OS, MorphOS brings a whole new dimension to personal computers. Designed from the ground up with the concept of shared resources from day one, MorphOS provides the ability to build up applications using shared system components. This efficient use of resources allows MorphOS a tight integration with software. As a result, MorphOS combines the elegance and efficiency of the older design with the power and performance of modern OSes. Read more here
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 1 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by magnetic on 09-Oct-2003 15:39 GMT
This is Fantastic!

We at Genesi are very happy with this news. This is a big deal for the Whole Community. Too long we have been stuck in obscurity now its time for an Amiga-like Operating System to get noticed by the whole industry! Big things are coming, hold on to your hats!

magnetic
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 2 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 15:42 GMT
Have you people ever heard about tinyurl.com or makeashorterlink.com ?
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 3 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
> Have you people ever heard about tinyurl.com or makeashorterlink.com?

Bad hair day and the rest of the world is "you people"? ;-)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 4 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
@Magnetic

Like Mai in February this year you mean? Or is this something radically different.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 5 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveP):
nope, Just means that Genesi can fill out a web form on the IBM site.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 6 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
I found a reference to an old article in the Peg2 AGP thread on Amiga.org. Worth a read if you pop to that thread.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 7 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2003 16:07 GMT
Is it "Ready for IBM Technology" approved or is it in the process of being approved ?
What does it really mean ? Are there some IBM guys evaluating the Genesi solutions or is it just IBM approving companies using their products ?
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 8 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 09-Oct-2003 16:08 GMT
When will we see ibm db2 ported to morphos? or ibm mainframes switching linux for morphos?;)

(yeah, i'm serious, seriously, indeed)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 9 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
> nope, Just means that Genesi can fill out a web form on the IBM site.

Yopu make it sound so easy ;-)

Step 1: Create an OS with 20+ developers
Step 2: Develope and manufature a PPC mainboard
Step 3: Fill out a web form
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 10 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
I don't understand either, it looks like an entry in the solutions directory. Maybe I am being obtuse or blind but I don't see anything that sayes MorphOS is "ready for IBM technology" in that link.

I know that is what Bill was shooting at, maybe he can elaborate?
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 11 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 09-Oct-2003 16:13 GMT
Would be intresting to know if that is IBMs own words or Genesis, if the former is true it's quite cool, if the later one is the case it's just good advertisment.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 12 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Hagge):
Don't be silly, why would IBM mainframes switch to Linux for MorphOS when they
have their own tailored versions of Linux already available? They would use "Linux for z/Series".

DB2 everyplace you might get but DB2 you would need serious volume sails, a
business plan that wasn't aimed at geeks but at enterprise customers and
you would need an OS that supported it properly.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 13 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 09-Oct-2003 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
>Have you people ever heard about tinyurl.com or makeashorterlink.com ?

"Bigger is Better"? :-)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 14 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 16:16 GMT
"Designed from the ground up with the concept of shared resources from day one, MorphOS provides the ability to build up applications using shared system components."

Well, duh. It IS a rip-off of AmigaOS after all.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 15 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jupp3):
lol! :-)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 16 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Hagge):
> Would be intresting to know if that is IBMs own words or Genesis, if the former is true it's quite cool, if the later one is the case it's just good advertisment.

You would be surprised if you knew how often paise is written by the praised. When I read reviews of my software, I always find bits and pieces copied directly from my web shop :-)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 17 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 16:21 GMT
This news item, from what I can see, is just plain wrong.

http://www.developer.ibm.com/solutions/isv/igssg.nsf/LanguageSelector?OpenForm

It is just an entry in that database.

Feel free to correct me if you have more patience trying to research the context
of those words in the news item.

I was expecting Pegasos to be approved.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 18 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 09-Oct-2003 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Umm...

I'm guessing that everything is most likely supplied by Genesi's application. I would gather that perhaps someone from IBM got a demonstration and that's about it. ;)

To me it just means that IBM knows that it runs on PPC. ;)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 19 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2003 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (DaveP):
I thought announcements were for nov, 15.
Maybe Genesi got confirmation of the approval ? The IBM web site may not be updated yet.

However glad to see Peg II is coming soon.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 20 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Oct-2003 16:29 GMT
http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=491&si=1
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 21 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 09-Oct-2003 16:31 GMT
No mention of MOS or PEG on the "Ready for IBM" tech pages of IBM.
Seems to be some kind of similar "certificate" though (global
solutions), with a membership level of "member", which is the same
level MAI has.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 22 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Leif):
Someone needs to sort this news item, and the one on Amiga.org I think.

Nice that another Amiga related bit has made it onto the directory, may increase
profile, but the news item over-eggs the pudding a bit.

I agree with Christophe, wait for the official announcement this kind of makes
it all look a bit, erm, well you know.

:-)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 23 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 09-Oct-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
"makeashorterlink.com" was quite fun =D

now i can for example replace ann.lu with makeashorterlink.com/whatever
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 24 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Oct-2003 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (DaveP):
"I agree with Christophe, wait for the official announcement this kind of makes
it all look a bit, erm, well you know."

No I don't know, please enlighten me. The news item appeared on www.morphos-news.de begins with:

"Paris, France (October 9th, 2003) - Genesi SARL is proud to announce that..."
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 25 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 09-Oct-2003 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Emeric SH):
What you have linked to is not the "Ready for" marketing section. It is confusing
the hell out of me, and I can't find the official story on "Ready for".

That is what I mean.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 26 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 09-Oct-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (DaveP):
"That is what I mean."

I posted it first then later the announcement appeared on morphos-news.de. Sorry, I couldn't provide more precise link at that point of time. Feel free to add the link to the news item at morphos-news.de.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 27 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 09-Oct-2003 16:44 GMT
Amiga stuff on IBM's web page. I never would have thought it would happen. lol
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 28 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Linus Gustafsson on 09-Oct-2003 16:46 GMT
Isn´t this the same approval that was worth nothing when MAI got it?
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 29 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 09-Oct-2003 16:54 GMT
One small security hole at IBM, you can add and edit delete or modify the web page as you like or as any one likes, I just clicked and on tab on left and I where allowed change the solution description and so on, I have not done so, how ever Any one can add there home projects or any other crap there if they like!!!!

NOTE there is only tow solutions in there and is one for MorphOS and one for Pegasus
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 30 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2003 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Linus Gustafsson):
"Isn´t this the same approval that was worth nothing when MAI got it?"

Depends for who.
For some people it is worth nothing for MAI and Genesi
For some people it is worth something for MAI and Genesi
For some people it was worth nothing for MAI but is worth something for Genesi
For some people it was worth something for MAI but is worth nothing for Genesi

It shows you how people are objective ...

I think it is a nice marketing operation that in use every day in the industry.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 31 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Oct-2003 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
>Well, duh. It IS a rip-off of AmigaOS after all.

God damn it people. Make up your mind.. the other half says it's like AmigaOS while the other says it has no AmigaOS feel at all. All this is fucking confusing :o
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 32 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Targhan on 09-Oct-2003 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (DaveP):
Well, doesn't this just put ME in a fickle! I'm the guy who checked, re-checked, and checked a third and fourth time about what this "Ready for IBM Technology" meant back when Main made a big deal out of it. I went so far as to check with a THIRD PARTY with the same "certification" as Mai.

With the above stated, I think I can give everyone an idea about this certification, not just what it means--but what it CAN mean.

1. This does not mean that IBM is selling your product. It means that it works with their technology, and that the other party (in this case Genesi) stands behind their work. It does not mean that IBM will consider themselves liable.

2. Any company wishing to enter any kind of contract with IBM for any joint venture is REQUIRED to have this branding. Normally, that is the very reason the branding is obtained, although not always.

3. There is a little more to it than filling out a web-form (much to my surprise after initially thinking that myself). However, it is not so difficult as, say, an acid-test performed by IBM's team of labratories.

Now, considering that it wasn't just the Pegasos that was approved, but also MorphOS, I suspect that this will likely grow and become something more. That's what makes this so exciting for Genesi (yes, and Mai too). It's not so much the "certification" itself, but rather that it is symbolic of progress. It isn't a goal; it is a milestone, or a checkpoint in a race.

I hope I didn't ramble too much :-) I just want the excitement to be tempered with realism, and the cynical to be releaved a bit. This is an important step towards the future, but it is exactly that--an important step out of many important steps.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 33 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Linus Gustafsson on 09-Oct-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Christophe Decanini):
I just think it is kind of fun to see the same people who argued that it was worthless now saying how good it is.

I couldn´t care less. It seems that everybody who has a product that has anything to do with IBM is allowed to use "Ready for IBM Technology" or what it is called...
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 34 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Oct-2003 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Linus Gustafsson):
"I just think it is kind of fun to see the same people who argued that it was worthless now saying how good it is. "

And vice versa.

"I couldn´t care less. It seems that everybody who has a product that has anything to do with IBM is allowed to use "Ready for IBM Technology" or what it is called..."

It is just a necessary step for marketing and maybe to go further into the relationship with IBM.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 35 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 09-Oct-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Kjetil):
>how ever Any one can add there home projects or any other crap there if they
>like!!!!

Yes, but it's not a directory of webpages, it's a directory of products. And submitting your product doesn't automatically make it approved. MorphOS and PegasosPPC are officially "approved solutions": (and click on approved solutions)

https://www.developer.ibm.com/solutions/isv/admin.nsf/MainMenu?OpenForm&s=8E4ABAE68A428F3D86256DBA0058119D&id=408097
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 36 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Linus Gustafsson on 09-Oct-2003 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Christophe Decanini):
"And vice versa."

Of course, that will be just as fun. :-)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 37 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 09-Oct-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (magnetic):
>We at Genesi are very happy with this news. This is a big deal for the Whole
>Community. Too long we have been stuck in obscurity now its time for an Amiga-
>like Operating System to get noticed by the whole industry! Big things are
>coming, hold on to your hats!

It is good news indeed. Well done! When I first clicked the link I saw the "ready for IBM technology" logo, however subsequent times it seems to have disappeared.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 38 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 09-Oct-2003 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (DaveP):
>Don't be silly, why would IBM mainframes switch to Linux for MorphOS when they
>have their own tailored versions of Linux already available? They would >use "Linux for z/Series".

Not quite sure what you're on about here. Linux and MorphOS are operating systems, a mainframe is a double decker bus-sized piece of hardware. Why would anyone develop MorphOS for Linux, or a mainframe? What have IBM mainframes got to do with the post you replied to anyway, or Linux, for that matter?

>DB2 everyplace you might get but DB2 you would need serious volume sails, a
>business plan that wasn't aimed at geeks but at enterprise customers and
>you would need an OS that supported it properly.

DB2 is only available for OS/390 (now called z/OS), Windows, Linux and some of IBM's Unix platforms. You are right, a MOS port would never even be considered unless MOS gained a decent slice of the enterprise market, which would be extremely difficult and require a number of big changes to MOS.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 39 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 09-Oct-2003 17:41 GMT
Hmmm, couldn't find Amiga One or Eyetech there... did someone screw up?

</ducks>
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 40 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Oct-2003 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (greenboy):
/me aims lower
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 41 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 09-Oct-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (hooligan/dcs):
Watch out - you'll hit the otters!
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 42 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 09-Oct-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (hooligan/dcs):
/me calls a doctor to take care of Hooligan's feet .....
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 43 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Linus Gustafsson on 09-Oct-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (greenboy):
You can find Ariticia S and Teron PX/CX. It is after all the same products.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 44 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 09-Oct-2003 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Linus Gustafsson):
I wonder when Hyperion will register OS4.
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 45 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Oct-2003 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (hooligan/dcs):
Well, you know, "rip-off" & "no feel" aren't always mutual exclusive.

Something can be a total rip off but still lack the "feel" of the original, or something can have the same feeling without being a "rip off".

It's a subjective view, MOS is inspired (sounds abit more polite, no?) by AOS, and it has alot in common, but for me it doesn't "feel" like AOS.

For example, i think AROS feels more like AOS then MOS does, it's subjective to personal taste, try it yourself, and if you like it, buy,steal or beg untill you get one :)

Cheers
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 46 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Linus Gustafsson):
ahhh well if they are the same product, then your going against your great parent companies Amiga.inc, Hyperion, and Eyetech. Becuase after all according the 'party line' they developed AmigaOne themselves right? or am I wrong?
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 47 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Oct-2003 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (greenboy):
Hmm.. good point actually Greenboy, i guess it's not up to eyetech to get the cirtificate, as they aren't the manufacturers, but if an OS is allowed up there i would expect AOS to get there to once it's done.

Besides, such a cirtificate for Eyetech themselves has, at this moment, probably little value.

Guess we'll find out sooner or later

Cheers
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 48 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Oct-2003 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Stephane Desrosiers):
To quote the Friedens: "when it's done" ;)

Cheers
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 49 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2003 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Targhan):
OK Targhan... so when The Other Guys do it, it's "worthless". When The Good Guys do it, it's got potential, it's not so much what it is, but what it CAN BE! wow!

You (and all the other genesi cheerleaders) are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites. I have a prediction to make: the Marvell chip will be found to have some sort of problem (like maybe only supporting AGPx1) and that will ALSO be spun so it sounds like a good thing. Oh wait... that's already happened!
Maybe genesi should've stayed with Mai instead of slagging them off in public? You can't afford to piss of Marvell too, there's only so many PPC northbridges, you know ;)
MorphOS - Ready for IBM Technology : Comment 50 of 120ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 09-Oct-2003 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Amon_Re):
Know what we need? We need a rip-off'o'meter so we could measure how ripoffs amithlon, uae, mos or aros are :)
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