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[News] Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. CzerwinskiANN.lu
Posted on 13-Oct-2003 06:03 GMT by Rich Woods108 comments
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After quite some time the court case of Nova Design vs. Ryan E. A. Czerwinski has been concluded with a default judgement.

Nova Design has obtained a judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski. After quite some time the court case of Nova Design vs. Ryan E. A. Czerwinski has been concluded with a default judgement.

Nova Design has obtained a judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski.

The judgement with interest and costs are now approx. $335,000+.

Court documentation can be found at merlanciabk

Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 51 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 13-Oct-2003 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (T_Bone):
>For OS3.9, I'd believe it, Amiga had written off "Classic Amiga's" at that >point anyway, and it's likely they said "port it and sell it, we're busy with >DE" or something similar.

Of course there was a contract. Amiga might not have been interested in going beyond 3.9, but they wanted their royalties, and were in fact collecting royalties on other IP at the time. H&P simply screwed who they could.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 52 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 13-Oct-2003 17:16 GMT
I way I'm I thinking a read the same over and over and over again it never stops!!
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 53 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 13-Oct-2003 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kjetil):
Posted by Kjetil (80.212.203.248) on 13-Oct-2003 19:16:09

I way I'm I thinking a read the same over and over and over again it never stops!!
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you're trapped in the AmigaZone!
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 54 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by kevin orme on 13-Oct-2003 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
that's incorrect. The one who promised to PAY the $100K for Amiga intellectual property (Walker computer designs, MMC designs, and other stuff) was Merlancia, and as Bill McE noted at last year's amiwest, they never did. So Amiga doesn't owe Merlancia anything, it's the other way around.

I suspect the judgement here has to do with inventory (ImageFX, etc.) that was sent to Merlancia for amiga inventory to sell at shows, in store and online that was never paid for by merlancia.

kevin orme
amiga university
www.amigau.com
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 55 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 13-Oct-2003 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (kevin orme):
> I suspect the judgement here has to do with inventory (ImageFX, etc.) that was
> sent to Merlancia for amiga inventory to sell at shows, in store and online that
> was never paid for by merlancia.

I scanned the first few pages, and it seems Ryan was supposed to become a shareholder at Nova Design, but only paid the first 10% of the agreed price (30k of 300k).

I'm not a lawyer and don't have access to any inside information, so I invite everyone to look at the available information, in case of any doubt get outside confirmations, and form their own opinions.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 56 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by John on 13-Oct-2003 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Ann):
"No one deserves to be stolen from."

Well that bastard McEwen and the rest of those idiots have stolen from Amiga users so they deserve all they get and i hope they get that much hassle it will destroy their lifes.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 57 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJIm on 13-Oct-2003 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (John):
> Well that bastard McEwen and the rest of those idiots have stolen from Amiga
> users so they deserve all they get and i hope they get that much hassle it will
> destroy their lifes.

<Shakes head> ... Seriously. Just listen to yourself for a second, will you?
.
SlimJim
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 58 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 13-Oct-2003 19:56 GMT
It should be understood that as more comes out, its a good thing.

You cannot solve problems unless you get them out in the open.

The problem is not one of money but one of influencing people, misleading them.

What will make for a very very interesting read is the hindsight of how people were regarding various announcements and information... and what was really going on.

I'm sure there is more that has almost been forgotten... Something about back when CEI was tryiong tio buy the Amiga and Quickpak happenings....
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 59 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 13-Oct-2003 20:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (3seas):
This would be about the point where someone mentions Viscorp?
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 60 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 13-Oct-2003 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (kevin orme):
> that's incorrect. The one who promised to PAY the $100K for Amiga intellectual
> property (Walker computer designs, MMC designs, and other stuff) was Merlancia,
> and as Bill McE noted at last year's amiwest, they never did. So Amiga doesn't
> owe Merlancia anything, it's the other way around.

That was a completely separate deal. The money Merlancia paid for the Walker design isn't the same money Merlancia loaned Amiga.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 61 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 13-Oct-2003 23:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (T_Bone):
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 14-Oct-2003 00:36:19

In Reply to Comment 54:
> that's incorrect. The one who promised to PAY the $100K for Amiga intellectual
> property (Walker computer designs, MMC designs, and other stuff) was Merlancia,
> and as Bill McE noted at last year's amiwest, they never did. So Amiga doesn't
> owe Merlancia anything, it's the other way around.

That was a completely separate deal. The money Merlancia paid for the Walker design isn't the same money Merlancia loaned Amiga.
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The case designs costs were $70K and possibly another $62K. Check sent for 70K - bounced was made good.

You can read Merlancia's press releases and see Dr. Ryan state the same on Amiga's web site (and Amiga letting Ryan proclaim himself as a Dr!).

This was the end of July 2001 and the contract Ryan signed was signed on the same day as Christina got her mortgage money in the amount of $103,500 - although the $3,500 was probably points.) I don't have the mortgage papers right in front of me - so I am going from memory here.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 62 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 13-Oct-2003 23:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Rich Woods):
So we have $70k (+ another possible 62k?) for the walker design
and a 100k loan.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 63 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Ann on 13-Oct-2003 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (kevin orme):
"that's incorrect. The one who promised to PAY the $100K for Amiga intellectual property (Walker computer designs, MMC designs, and other stuff) was Merlancia, and as Bill McE noted at last year's amiwest, they never did. So Amiga doesn't owe Merlancia anything, it's the other way around. "

That would add some light to the comments Bill made and were quoted.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 64 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Ann on 13-Oct-2003 23:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (3seas):
" I'm sure there is more that has almost been forgotten... Something about back when CEI was tryiong tio buy the Amiga and Quickpak happenings.... "

Yep.....just don't get me started now. You forgot the Viscorp Petro connection.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 65 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 13-Oct-2003 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Rich Woods):
>Speech at AmiWest - July

[speech snipped]

What became of AROS' legal status, in light of this--since this speech? From my viewpoint, it seems Amiga doesn't quite know what to do about AROS or they reached some agreement(?) that just wasn't public. Where do things stand with it and Amiga now?

--EyeAm
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 66 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2003 23:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
When did this happen? The only thing I know is that Amiga gave him the rights to the MMC.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 67 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 14-Oct-2003 00:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
Early 2001. In fact, when Ryan got pissed that Amiga wasn't making good on their 3 month loan from him, he posted right here on Ann.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 68 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by - on 14-Oct-2003 00:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Ann):
It is fun to once in a while dig out some old Amiga world or Amazing Amiga mags of the period. Man what a mess and it still has not stopped. Anybody have a complete time line history of all the mess with a complete listing of the players for sale?

Stew
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 69 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 14-Oct-2003 00:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (3seas):
You know I remember lambasting, harpooning, trolling, slam dunking, Amiga, Inc. and Merlancia throughout their scams and counter scams.

And I can't complain...I could say that I was victimized... that I tried truly and honestly to warn people, but was made out to be the troll for doing so...
But I can't really complain....

What bothers me, is we still want it to be over, and its not over.

We still have the same problems in this community, only the villains have changed.

There are ways to tell if someone has integrity, morals, values, a law abiding nature....and who is a pure pragmatist.

You know what, people think all businessmen are pure pragmatists...but not true. Many are very conservative in the risks they will take...that means they do not break the law....sorry, I know we excuse a lot of behaviour in this community saying 'thats "real" business.'

Well the practitioners of 'real' business, Ryan and Bill McE....where'd it get them? Most people in the real 'real' business world do not break the law, don't need to, wouldn't dare.

Fact is, we still have problems here in river city, only the villains have changed. It's easy to tell when someone has a strong moral fiber, and when they'll do anything to take the next step, even cheat a bit....

"OS X is the product of Apple, Inc."
I'm not an Apple lover, I've just know when something STINKS.
Too many people seem to be holding their breath and smiling politely pretending it out of existence.

We are still inflicted with clever people like Bill McEwen and Ryan, only the names have changed.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 70 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 00:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (T_Bone):
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 14-Oct-2003 01:31:43

In Reply to Comment 61:
So we have $70k (+ another possible 62k?) for the walker design
and a 100k loan.
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Yep. Now you know why they loved him that year.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 71 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 00:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ann):
Posted by Ann (68.104.37.252) on 14-Oct-2003 01:41:09

In Reply to Comment 54:
"that's incorrect. The one who promised to PAY the $100K for Amiga intellectual property (Walker computer designs, MMC designs, and other stuff) was Merlancia, and as Bill McE noted at last year's amiwest, they never did. So Amiga doesn't owe Merlancia anything, it's the other way around. "

That would add some light to the comments Bill made and were quoted.
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Above is incorrect. billyboy mentioned a company who wrote large checks that were no good - he of course was referring to Merlancia and Ryan.

And yes they paid and paid and paid!
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 72 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (T_Bone):
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 14-Oct-2003 02:13:13

In Reply to Comment 66:
Early 2001. In fact, when Ryan got pissed that Amiga wasn't making good on their 3 month loan from him, he posted right here on Ann.
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Actually Amiga had some kind of agreement that Skal Loret, Fred Wright and Dave Haynie would be paid back their employment money owed by Merlancia by Amiga from the $100K Merlancia "lent" them.

I sub-poened the documents from Fred, dave and Skal - of course I got blown off.

The sad part is the employment contracts were never signed by Ryan (it appears NO ONE has them - or is not showing them) - so basically they started working and continued to work with no signed employment agreements.

Kind of hard to persue any claims with no signed agreements. Which is what happened.

peake was asked time and time again to provide some of the money to people who were in desperate need of such - those person(s) got blown off.

Of course peake will get peaked and say I'm a liar, on and on, etc, I don't know what I am talking about and all the rest.

Desperate people do desperate things.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 73 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 00:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (MarkTime):
n Reply to Comment 58:

We are still inflicted with clever people like Bill McEwen and Ryan, only the names have changed.
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Clever? downright stupid if you ask me - hundreds of thousands peed away, lies, deceit and fraud.

Now a 20 year old kid who went thru maybe $300-$400K, has judgements of over $400K and is still 20 years old. Nova Design will keep on re-entering the judgement every 7 years so that Ryan will NEVER be able to buy a new car, a house or get even a $100 K-Mart credit card.

billyboy has ruined his credit, personal and corporate and is ready to lose his house (if he hasn't already). He is probably the laughing stock of the computer industry.

Even when OS4.0 comes out any monies generated to Amiga should be (and most likely will) be liens on.

I guess what goes around comes around.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 74 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 14-Oct-2003 03:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (EyeAm):
> What became of AROS' legal status, in light of this--since this speech? From
> my viewpoint, it seems Amiga doesn't quite know what to do about AROS or
> they reached some agreement(?) that just wasn't public. Where do things
> stand with it and Amiga now?

Amiga Developement LLC's IP (atleast based in the US) expired on the mouse-menue item. If you will notice, the more recent ISOs have the Amiga menue back in play. =)

Dammy
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 75 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 14-Oct-2003 04:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Rich Woods):
> Actually Amiga had some kind of agreement that Skal Loret, Fred Wright and Dave
> Haynie would be paid back their employment money owed by Merlancia by Amiga from
> the $100K Merlancia "lent" them.

What right does Amiga have in telling Ryan who to pay back with Ryans money once he gets it back from them? I don't understand that, not that I don't want them to get paid mind you.

If you borrow money from someone, you owe it back, what right does anyone have saying, "I'll pay it back 'if' .."
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 76 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Oct-2003 05:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (MarkTime):
"We still have the same problems in this community, only the villains have changed.

There are ways to tell if someone has integrity, morals, values, a law abiding nature....and who is a pure pragmatist."

Or a chuckle-head from the Planet Merlancia.





"You know what, people think all businessmen are pure pragmatists...but not true. Many are very conservative in the risks they will take...that means they do not break the law....sorry, I know we excuse a lot of behaviour in this community saying 'thats "real" business.'

Well the practitioners of 'real' business, Ryan and Bill McE....where'd it get them? Most people in the real 'real' business world do not break the law, don't need to, wouldn't dare."

I totally agree. Note how certain companies refused to have anything to do with the coupons scheme.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 77 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Oct-2003 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (EyeAm):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What became of AROS' legal status, in light of this--since this speech? From my viewpoint, it seems Amiga doesn't quite know what to do about AROS or they reached some agreement(?) that just wasn't public. Where do things stand with it and Amiga now?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Amiga Inc. never knew what to do with AROS, it was clear that we never broke any laws, IP or trademarks, This has been a top priority for AROS. And probably the reason why the MOS team decided to go the AROS route, since the AROS team have been so careful to avoid any legal issues.

There was one IP point that was very fuzzy. An old Commodore-Amiga patent for Menus which appear at the top of the screen when the right mouse button is pressed. The AROS team decided to play it safe with "Magic Menu" style menus. The old patents expired this year, so we have put them back to Amiga Style.

I would also note that it's hard to have an illegal product when you give it away, rather than charge for it :)
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 78 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 14-Oct-2003 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Matt Parsons):
*cough* SCO *cough* :)
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 79 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Oct-2003 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Matt Parsons):
"There was one IP point that was very fuzzy. An old Commodore-Amiga patent for Menus which appear at the top of the screen when the right mouse button is pressed. The AROS team decided to play it safe with "Magic Menu" style menus. The old patents expired this year, so we have put them back to Amiga Style."

Surely the patent was not for menus at the top of the screen (Macs have that) but for selecting multiple items by clicking with one mouse button while holding down the other?

Only a few Amiga programs actually use this.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 80 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 14-Oct-2003 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Matt Parsons):
> I would also note that it's hard to have an illegal product when you give it away, rather than charge for it :)

Sorry Matt, much as AROS is my second favourite Linux application on the planet, I don't think being free affords any protection under the auspices of the scales of justice.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 81 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Oct-2003 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (DaveP):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I would also note that it's hard to have an illegal product when you give it away, rather than charge for it :)

Sorry Matt, much as AROS is my second favourite Linux application on the planet, I don't think being free affords any protection under the auspices of the scales of justice.
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Sorry, that was a personal thing... When you make something and then someone goes; that's my idea, I want 50% of all the profits you make... and you go; sure!

The problem lies in the fact that 50% of 0 isn't very much... in fact it's really quite small.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 82 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 14-Oct-2003 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Matt Parsons):
I see, its the "theres nothing in it for them" argument. However, there is
such a thing as "undercutting the competition" ;-)
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 83 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Oct-2003 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (DaveP):
Undercutting the competiton? isn't that capatilism? :)
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 84 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 14-Oct-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Matt Parsons):
Doesn't mean they have to like you doing it. ;-)
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 85 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 14-Oct-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (DaveP):
> Sorry Matt, much as AROS is my second favourite Linux application on the planet,
> I don't think being free affords any protection under the auspices of the scales
> of justice.

Luckily there's no matter of justice involved as no claims against Aros have been made. Hopefully none can be anyway.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 86 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (T_Bone):
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 14-Oct-2003 06:59:24

In Reply to Comment 72:
> Actually Amiga had some kind of agreement that Skal Loret, Fred Wright and Dave
> Haynie would be paid back their employment money owed by Merlancia by Amiga from
> the $100K Merlancia "lent" them.

What right does Amiga have in telling Ryan who to pay back with Ryans money once he gets it back from them? I don't understand that, not that I don't want them to get paid mind you.
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I understand it gets very convoluted. But this is the "agreement" that was reached - whether it was just verbal or was a signed agreement I don't know.

But Amiga was supposed to "pay back" the 100K to the former "employees" of Merlancia as opposed to Ryan and/or Merlancia.

I'm just reportig what I know as fact - from those who are party to these agreements.
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If you borrow money from someone, you owe it back, what right does anyone have saying, "I'll pay it back 'if' .."

This was the agreement that was reached by the parties involved AFAIK.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 87 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Don Cox):
Posted by Don Cox (Trusted user) on 14-Oct-2003 07:05:22


I totally agree. Note how certain companies refused to have anything to do with the coupons scheme.
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And certain companies have absolutely NO OBLIGATION to honor commitements made by Amiga to which they were no party to.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 88 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 14-Oct-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (MarkTime):
Most people in the real 'real' business world do not break the law, don't need to, wouldn't dare.
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How many lawsuits has Microsoft lost? How many laws have they broken?

This is an unrealistic statement. What I've seen is businesses do what they do to optimize their profits. From time to time this pushes close to and sometimes does break the law.

Ford made the Pinto knowing the gas tanks exploded, as found in court, and payed big fines and damages.

You need to read up on corporate history as real businesses do break the law, some get caught some don't.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 89 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Oct-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (BrianK):
"You need to read up on corporate history as real businesses do break the law, some get caught some don't."

However, it _is_ possible to run a succesful and profitable business without any sharp practice. Everything I have seen suggests that Eyetech is an honest company. QNX is another.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 90 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Don Cox):
Posted by Don Cox (Trusted user) on 14-Oct-2003 16:22:49

In Reply to Comment 88:
"You need to read up on corporate history as real businesses do break the law, some get caught some don't."

However, it _is_ possible to run a succesful and profitable business without any sharp practice. Everything I have seen suggests that Eyetech is an honest company. QNX is another.
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There was one company in the Midwest that was a single-owner or family run business.

When it came time to retire - the owner paid off large amounts of money to his employees. Had em come to the ofice and gave them checks which enabled them to pay off mortgages, huge bonuses for the years of loyalty etc.

Surely a man of God. And most likely a small percentage of most businesses today. And so proves the point of honesty and integrity. Simply things that money CANNOT buy. And such a rare commodity today.

However - there are individuals and companies who DO practice the golden rule - (and NOT "he who has the gold makes the rules" type of mentality.

Simply put - "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Others Do Unto You". Probably codifies all of US law and regulations into one simple sentence!
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 91 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 14-Oct-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (BrianK):
Posted by BrianK (204.73.96.203) on 14-Oct-2003 16:16:09

In Reply to Comment 69:
Most people in the real 'real' business world do not break the law, don't need to, wouldn't dare.
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How many lawsuits has Microsoft lost? How many laws have they broken?

This is an unrealistic statement. What I've seen is businesses do what they do to optimize their profits. From time to time this pushes close to and sometimes does break the law.

Ford made the Pinto knowing the gas tanks exploded, as found in court, and payed big fines and damages.

You need to read up on corporate history as real businesses do break the law, some get caught some don't.
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Good analogies. The Pinto, the problem ignition switch, the Chevy Vega, the Crown Victoria car problems go on and on. The "bean counters" figure it is cheaper to save x amount per unit and if need be pay off claims in court - a long, difficult and expensive process (20+ years on the Ford ignition thing).

But then this is again fraud - simply put - in a different form of "legalese".

And this is what we see today in regards to certain computer companies (Microsoft included at the TOP of the list!).
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 92 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 14-Oct-2003 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Rich Woods):
You might want to add to that the Pug's blowing up ( this year ) because of the starter motor solenoid failing leaving the starter motor on and it overheats and blows the car up and there was something else about a faulty diesel injector.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 93 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 14-Oct-2003 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Matt Parsons):
> In Reply to Comment 65:
> Amiga Inc. never knew what to do with AROS, it was clear that we never
> broke any laws, IP or trademarks, This has been a top priority for AROS.
> And probably the reason why the MOS team decided to go the AROS route,
> since the AROS team have been so careful to avoid any legal issues.

Yes, it's good to have that as a priority.

> There was one IP point that was very fuzzy. An old Commodore-Amiga patent
> for Menus which appear at the top of the screen when the right mouse
> button is pressed. The AROS team decided to play it safe with "Magic
> Menu" style menus. The old patents expired this year, so we have put them
> back to Amiga Style.

Excellent.

>I would also note that it's hard to have an illegal product when you give
> it away, rather than charge for it :)

Well, there will always be copyright issues. And I'm sure patents still hold legal repercussions in the most free of products (and it seems AROS creators agree, since they were careful with a somewhat trivial one).

Ok, so AROS is completely free and clear, legally. Great. :)

--EyeAm
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Posted by Ann on 14-Oct-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (MarkTime):
'We are still inflicted with clever people like Bill McEwen and Ryan, only the names have changed. "

Im sure Haynie could write a book about the crap that happened under CBM. That's were it started. But a long list of names would follow. Many companies and good ideas were lost in the process and thats the sad result. Example: Anyone remember the Boxer chipset screw up?
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 95 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Ann on 14-Oct-2003 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Rich Woods):
"However - there are individuals and companies who DO practice the golden rule - (and NOT "he who has the gold makes the rules" type of mentality.

Simply put - "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Others Do Unto You". Probably codifies all of US law and regulations into one simple sentence!"

Sad thing is the good jobs are now being lost to China. It was Mexico for a while but now if the USA doesn't get a handle on High tech. China will own us.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 96 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 14-Oct-2003 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (DaveP):
> Sorry Matt, much as AROS is my second favourite Linux application on
> the planet,

Why not run AROS natively then?

Dammy
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Posted by Nate Downes on 14-Oct-2003 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Rich Woods):
Crown Victoria car problems? New one to me. (My wife wants to buy one, hence why the interest)
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 98 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 15-Oct-2003 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Nate Downes):
Posted by Nate Downes (Trusted user) on 14-Oct-2003 20:28:47

In Reply to Comment 91:
Crown Victoria car problems? New one to me. (My wife wants to buy one, hence why the interest)
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Crown Victoria are the "Standard" police cars - poor gas tank placement. High speed collision and the gas tank leaks and then explodes or catches on fire.

Please don't let your wife buy one - and if she does - let me take out a life insurance policy on her.....

Seriously - I don't know how much you are thinking of spending - but if you are in the $25,000 range you might want to look at Hyundai's luxury car the XG-350L.

Very high ratings all around for what you get. Hey - at least take on for a test drive. I just turned 1000 miles on mine an hour ago.

or www.hyundiausa.com - I believe is the web site.
Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 99 of 108ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 15-Oct-2003 00:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Ann):
 Nova Design Obtains a Judgement of $270,000 against Ryan E. A. Czerwinski : Comment 95 of 98

Posted by Ann (68.104.37.252) on 14-Oct-2003 19:38:48

In Reply to Comment 90:

Sad thing is the good jobs are now being lost to China. It was Mexico for a while but now if the USA doesn't get a handle on High tech. China will own us.

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Well it is more like most of the high tech jobs are going to India (as per Amiga's DE being developed by Ruksun - an Indian company) - the scan of the contract is on my web site - www.merlancia.us/amigabk IIRC.

The costs over there are 20-25% of the cost over here (US).

China - not as much high tech jobs - although they are now mainly a manufacturing base - new corporate manufacturing industrial parks and they are producing EVERYTHING!

Workers get $2-3 a day - and are happy to be employed - (which will be happening here soon - and I'm not talking billyboy and Ryan.)

China OWNS approx 40% of the US Treasury obligations - if they decide to cash them in (if the dollar keeps falling) they will wreck havoc with the US economy to say the least.

China also allows their citizens to own gold (I believe the Shangai Gold Exchange has been set up for quite a short time). This is a massive move for China and shows the literal strength of their economy.

China literalaly already OWNS us - so it is NOT happening - it has already happened.

But hey - let the talking heads tells us how great the stock market is doing!
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Posted by Ann on 15-Oct-2003 01:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Nate Downes):
"Crown Victoria car problems? New one to me. (My wife wants to buy one, hence why the interest)"

Do a google search and find the material done by one of the news outfits. Its the cop car killer. They get rear ended and explode.
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