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[News] Pegasos II is here!ANN.lu
Posted on 16-Oct-2003 05:00 GMT by IamCleverToo (Edited on 2003-10-16 13:47:41 GMT by Christophe Decanini)188 comments
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Pegasos II is here! : Comment 101 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Wayne Hunt):
>It's at this point where I wield the ubiquitous phrase "have a nice day." >then leave you to your own random mumbling. I don't speak troll, sorry.

LOL! Let me translate into plain English: You've got me there. So now i've come to a point that i've run out of arguments, so it's time to leave this thread and try to do better next time.

At least you were man enough to admit that you don't know anything about the status of MorphOS while you denied beta status first. Some people can learn that from you. (See: the Faster then AGP1x doesn't matter thread).
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 102 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Oct-2003 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Anonymous):
Nice combative and aggressive fighting style.

See Section 20 of the Consumer Protection Act 1987.

It has bearing. And the store in question was Argos IIRC.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 103 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Anonymous):
>For not being finished, it's still the best Amiga product developed in the >last five years. Besides, software is never finished until it's dead. The >relevant question is not if the OS is finished but how good it is. Having >used MorphOS for quite some time now, my advice is: Get it, try it, you won't >look bad. It's the best Amigaish thing that one can buy for money right now. >If you like to gamble and wait for AOS4, fine with me, but let's maintain a >friendly tone here, ok?


LOL! WEll, OK I admit, it's better then UAE ;-) I'm glad you call it Amigish and not Amiga product. Best thing about AmigaOS4 is that you just have to look at AmigaOS3.x and you know how good it AT LEAST will be.And that's very encouraging. So what's more of a gamble. Invest your money in only a to some extend with old software compatible, but almost sure not with future software compatible beta OS. Or invest in the real thing.
But i'm somehow sure you'll not agree with me ;-)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 104 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Nate Downes):
>Wayne, don't feed the trolls!

Let me translate that one: Wayne, don't talk to much, because some people will uncover your lies almost instantly. So better say nothing instead.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 105 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Anonymous):
> >Works here with a 128MB module.
> Yes, it works for you, but the very same DIMM doesn't nessesary work on another Pegasos1.

Are you trying to win the price for dumbest post?! Everybody knows that the Artica NB is spec'ed for registered RAM and just might, if you are lucky, work with unregistered RAM. That's in its specifications, get over it. If your computer has IDE, you don't connect SCSI to that port, because you feel lucky today.

> You know what I mean David. In general it doesn't work. You need to find a G4 CPU card that works with YOUR Pegasos.

In general it does work (says Simon, because, just like you, I have no clue if "in general", it does or does not). Anyway, you just pay the manufacturer. There is little finding involved for you.

>>Does Firewire work? >Yes.
>Of course, but only with the super secret Beta tester 1

I guess it works with the super secret Linux but in the absence of firewire hardware, don't feel the motivation to investigate.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 106 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Anonymous):
> LOL! WEll, OK I admit, it's better then UAE ;-)

UAE would be a close second in the race (of best Amiga product developed in the last five years). I love UAE. Well, actually I love my PC hardware and UAE allows me to use it at no cost for my favorite OS.

> I'm glad you call it Amigish and not Amiga product. Best thing about AmigaOS4 is that you just have to look at AmigaOS3.x and you know how good it AT LEAST will be.

I don't think OS3 is a good product. That's why I said go, try, buy MorphoS and you won't look back. It is visually stunning. That, combined with the general design of AmigaOS (below the pretty user interface) and the *amazing* speed of this OS makes it a winner for me. As to AOS, I haven't seen it in real life, just seen the odd screenshot. Underwhelemed, frankly. I have also read the specs, which are very good and seem to match MorphOS.

> Invest your money in only a to some extend with old software compatible, but almost sure not with future software compatible beta OS.

That's what I meant with gamble on AOS4: you are already brooding over a future OS and the future future software for it. I just don't think so far ahead. MorphOS is the best Amigaish OS at this time, I've been using it for months already. I'm having fun, you are waiting.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 107 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 16-Oct-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Seehund):
>"Amiga-Anywhere - Invalid Referrer
>
>Sorry, this is an invalid link. There are no contracts in place at this point
>to support the Pegasos hardware platform with either AmigaOS 4.0 or AmigaDE."

hehe nice one Amiga Inc :)

Since AmigaOS isn't in the stages of being ported to the pegasos and genesi have lied to make the pegasos sound good with lots of operating system support then i bet half the other operating systems listed on the page are not going to appear for the pegasos either. Maybe they could put these opererating systems under the heading "The following Operating Systems are what Bill buck would like on the pegasos, but will probably will never happen:"
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 108 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Leki):
>Since AmigaOS isn't in the stages of being ported to the pegasos

AmigaOS already runs on the Pegasos, it's just called MorphOS and is a bit faster. That can be confusing if you are new to the platform. As to future, unreleased and beeing-worked-upon versions (aka AOS4), a prominent Hyperion programmer - go figure out who for yourself - has publicly stated this month that AOS4 for Pegasos 2 is a possibility. I assume he knows what he says, was fully conscious and not drunk. If Hyperion admits that possibility and makes it a matter of licensing, why shouldn't Genesi?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 109 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-Oct-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (DaveP):
>In the UK there is consumer law that sayes goods have to be sold at the price
>they are advertised for, even if it was mispriced.

No. Having first-hand experience of this, I can say that's not true.

When Kodak mispriced the DX3700 cameras on their site at £100 instead of £320, they refused to honour the purchases (I had ordered 7). Eventually they did deliver the cameras after several weeks of campaigning by people who had ordered them but not out of any legal obligation.

More recently, Amazon UK mispriced some Compaq Ipaqs at £7.32 when they should have been over £500 - I ordered 20. Their site slowed to a crawl with people placing multiple orders. Amazon.com just closed down their entire UK site for a while and cancelled the orders.

And, Argos, mispricing some colour TV's at £3 - they refused to deliver the TV's.

Pricing errors happen all the time - usually companies just explain that it was a mistake and cancel the orders. Luckily Genesi is a company who, out of their own goodwill, has promised to honour the prices.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 110 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Oct-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Lando):
They can be taken to court, under the aforementioned consumer law, although it
seems very specific circumstances are required.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 111 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-Oct-2003 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (DaveP):
>It has bearing. And the store in question was Argos IIRC

Yeah, the £3 TV's.
They refused to deliver them, and won the court case.

Your placing an order for something on the internet merely constitutes an "offer to buy" - the company still does not have to sell at that price, even if they've sent you a receipt by email.

Until the company actually agrees to sell (by debiting your card for example).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2864461.stm

Note the following:

"But a spokeswoman for the Consumer's Association said the company was under no obligation to honour the price, if a genuine mistake had been made. Until there is a binding contract, either party can pull out of the agreement"
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 112 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Oct-2003 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Lando):
Thanks for digging it out, I was looking for it on and off today.

The gits :-)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 113 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (DaveP):
> They can be taken to court, under the aforementioned consumer law

You can take somebody to court because your coffee was to hot. So what? The relevant part is that online prices are not binding. This issues has been before courts already and was settled to that end.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 114 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-Oct-2003 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Anonymous):
About Firewire... It works on Linux... It always did.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 115 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 16-Oct-2003 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Anonymous):
>AmigaOS already runs on the Pegasos, it's just called MorphOS and is a bit >faster.

LOL

>That can be confusing if you are new to the platform. As to future, unreleased >and beeing-worked-upon versions (aka AOS4), a prominent Hyperion programmer - >go figure out who for yourself - has publicly stated this month that AOS4 for >Pegasos 2 is a possibility. I assume he knows what he says, was fully conscious >and not drunk. If Hyperion admits that possibility and makes it a matter of >licensing, why shouldn't Genesi?

sorry but only AmigaOS4 is a continuation of AmigaOS...i know thats hard for some of you morphos supporters to accept.

sure its a possiblity, but so is windows on the pegasos....doesn't mean its gonna ever happen. Thats an idea though...why not add "Windows" to the list of supported operating systems for the pegasos.....since there is a *chance* that it could *possibily* be ported.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 116 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 16-Oct-2003 15:44 GMT
on the tech specs page.

shouldn't you state its only AGP 1 speed?

and is the pegasosII USB 1.1?

"Being able to run one or more processors on the same hardware also separates the Pegasos from its competition in the field."

how? hyperion have a dual G4 AmigaOne from eyetech....Mac's have dual processors etc
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 117 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Leki):
>why not add "Windows" to the list of supported operating systems for the pegasos.....since there is a *chance* that it could *possibily* be ported

There is no chance that Window will be ported. There is a chance that AOS4 will be ported. Get it?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 118 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Oct-2003 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Anonymous):
How can it be supported, if it is not ported yet?

Is this some definition of support that I had been hitherto unaware of?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 119 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (DaveP):
It is supported because you can run Amiga software on the Pegasos (right now). I didn't say that AOS4 is supported. Nor did Genesi make such a claim, to the best of my knowledge. AOS4 obviously is an unreleased OS in the making.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 120 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 16-Oct-2003 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (Anonymous):
>It is supported because you can run Amiga software on the Pegasos (right now). >I didn't say that AOS4 is supported. Nor did Genesi make such a claim, to the >best of my knowledge. AOS4 obviously is an unreleased OS in the making.

you cant just wack your workbench disks in and run AmigaOS (3.9) you can only run the classic AmigaOS through emulation. If you bother to notice that genesi list AmigaOS twice on there supported operating systems page once for emulated (classic AmigaOs 3.9) which is the only amiga stuff you can run emulated and once for AmigaOS which is refering to the new AmigaOS4 (which isn't supported for the pegasos).
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 121 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Oct-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (DaveP):
@ DaveP

Are you here to spread some of your "positive" and "creative" atmosphere? You are doing well!
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 122 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 16-Oct-2003 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (takemehomegrandma):
what was wrong with his post? it makes sense to me.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 123 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 16-Oct-2003 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Leki):
>why not add "Windows" to the list of supported operating systems for the pegasos Sure, at CeBIT 2003 Pegasos ran Windows95 (through Bochs).
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 124 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Leki):
> you cant just wack your workbench disks in and run AmigaOS (3.9)

I don't have workbench disk"s", so that is irrelevant for me. If you think that you can not run software from OS3 installation disks (workbench, locale, fonts etc.), then you are mistaken: you can run any software on those disks. You just don't want to do that, having just purchased a PPC computer: there is no sense in installing c/list (c)1992 from an OS3 disk if you have a PPC native c/list (c)2003 included with MorphOS.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 125 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 16-Oct-2003 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Leki):
> If you bother to notice that genesi list AmigaOS twice on there supported
> operating systems page once for emulated (classic AmigaOs 3.9)

Yes, as Amiga 3.x. If I compare it to the MacOS listings, which most likely means that you can run MacOS with MOL. To me, I'm guessing that they might mean that you can run Amiga 3.x under UAE. Although, you can also run components from Amiga 3.x under mos, including the workbench AFAIK. (Hmm... I should try that. ;P)

> which is the only
> amiga stuff you can run emulated and once for AmigaOS which is refering to the
> new AmigaOS4 (which isn't supported for the pegasos).

Actually, if I remember correctly, the first link (in the "Early stages of being ported") was to Amiga DE and not OS4. I guess Genesi could argue that they do have a contract, hence the lawsuit and could list it there.

Now, "Early stages of being ported" does not mean that it is supported, but I would have much preferred that they not list as such until they got to the point where they would be able to legally port it and distribute it.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 126 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 16-Oct-2003 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Leki):
Well, you see, when somebody makes a point that certain individuals don't like - but cannot possibly disagree with (because it is true), said certain individuals start making personal attacks, ensuring peoples attention is deflected from the actual point that was made to the apparent "problems" with the poster.

I would have thought that was obvious? ;-P

Ian
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 127 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Oct-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma

If you cannot debate without entering into the realms of obscure point scoring
then do not engage.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 128 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Oct-2003 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (tarbos):
Cool, but slow :-)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 129 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 16-Oct-2003 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Anonymous):
Anonymous wrote:
> Best thing about AmigaOS4 is that you just have to look at
> AmigaOS3.x and you know how good it AT LEAST will be.

Wrong. You don't. It's quite certain that OS4 will not support
everything that OS3.1 (for instance) supports.

Also, it's not certain that a newer revision actually is better, even
if it's not a rewrite. Personally, I didn't consider OS3.5 to be a
step forward from 3.1. I believe 3.9 was a step forward from 3.5, but
I'm not sure about which of 3.1 and 3.9 I would really prefer (both
having their advantages and drawbacks).

And in any case, MOS1.4 is certainly more advanced than either 3.1 or
3.9, so it's not that relevant. But actually, if I *really* could be
sure that 4.0 will be at least as good as 3.1/3.9, this would increase
my interest in it, because I'm not convinced of this yet. We'll just
have to wait and see IMO.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 130 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 16-Oct-2003 16:56 GMT
Genesi think they have a valid contract for AmigaDE. So they think
they can use the logo, and they do. They think they can prepare a
port, so they do.

AInc may not think Genesi can use the logo (I haven't seen any clear
statement about this, though, but they may). It seems they do not
think Genesi have the rights for an AmigaDE port, so they've contested
this.

The court will decide either way fairly soon now. Until then, Genesi
do what they are convinced they have the right to do. If they're
wrong, too bad for them.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 131 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 16-Oct-2003 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Johan Rönnblom):
This is exactly what I thought was the reason. Why some people on here can't
play it straight though.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 132 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 16-Oct-2003 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (DaveP):
> Cool, but slow :-)

Yeah, BOCHS isn't necessarily a speed demon. I ran Rebel Assault II on it just to see, and it clocked my G3-600 peg as a 17mhz Pentium. :P I guess with the 1gig G4 I might get it as high as 30mhz! :P Someone had attempted installing Win2K actually. :)

I wanted to install OS/2 Warp, but it's not working yet. Too bad the Amiga PC Emulators aren't working fully. I wish I could get somewhere with PCTask, but it couldn't read disks the from my Catweasel properly.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 133 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 16-Oct-2003 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Stephane Desrosiers):
>Actually, if I remember correctly, the first link (in the "Early stages of >being ported") was to Amiga DE and not OS4. I guess Genesi could argue that >they do have a contract, hence the lawsuit and could list it there.

maybe...but if so then it should be listed as AmigaDE (not AmigaOS) with the DE logo right?

>Now, "Early stages of being ported" does not mean that it is supported, but I >would have much preferred that they not list as such until they got to the >point where they would be able to legally port it and distribute it.

i agree, basically as Amiga Inc said they do not have a contract for AmigaOS and until then it cant be ported to the Pegasos. So for Genesi to list it on that page is intentionally misleading customers who want to run AmigaOS. That isn`t something that shouldn't be defended by any morphos user....unless you like being lied to or something.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 134 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Ann on 16-Oct-2003 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Olegil):
Must say that I took a quick look at the web stite. The web site was done very professionl. Not sure about the product, but the site was very very good.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 135 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 16-Oct-2003 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Johan Rönnblom):
> Genesi think they have a valid contract for AmigaDE. So they think
> they can use the logo, and they do. They think they can prepare a
> port, so they do.
<snip!>

I understand that, but to me it's a bit like counting their chickens before they hatched. I guess I would have listed AmigaDE as "Under discussion" or "Currently Planning" or something like that... But I guess that's just me, I tend to get overly meticulous in these situations.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 136 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 16-Oct-2003 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Leki):
> So for Genesi to list it on that page is intentionally misleading customers
> who want to run AmigaOS. That isn`t something that shouldn't be defended by
> any morphos user....unless you like being lied to or something.

I would have much prefered they would have used the AmigaDE logo and name. As to why they haven't I don't know. They did originally link to the AmigaDE site (until AmigaInc decided to make that error message pop up.) I also don't know the content of that contract. There was a time when AmigaInc was referring to AmigaDE as the future AmigaOS, and Amiga 3.x was relegated to Classic OS status. It could be possible that AmigaDE was refered as an "Amiga Operating System" or something like that in their contract? (Probably not...)

I am having a hard time believing that someone would purchase a Pegasos to run OS4 going by a single entry tucked on the bottom of a page mentionning operating systems that are in the early stages of being ported called "Amiga" without any mention of "OS4" nor having the energy to make a little bit more research. I have more of a belief that this entry is more to thumb their noses at Amiga Inc then to confuse potential buyers.

*whew!*

That said, both companies have done things that I disagree with (which I won't list here since we'll end up with another pointless flame-war.)

I just hope that people will eventually just choose their computing platform that would satisfy their needs/wants and stop trying to impress on the other that their solution is the best... and perpetuate the idea that "others" are "unclean" and "unworthy".

At the end of the day, I'm happy with my choice and I hope others end up pleased with their own. :)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 137 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DET Nicolas on 16-Oct-2003 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Anonymous):
>>>So your FSB is running at 133Mhz then?
>>No.

>Right, so it's not finished yet, bewcause the ArticiaS is able to run at 133Mhz. But let's continue.

The most unfinished part of the Pegasos I is the ArticiaS.
it's the ArticiaS which can't handle 133Mhz.

Very first Peg I were running with a 133Mhz FSB, but it leads to many problem.
Bye
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 138 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DET Nicolas on 16-Oct-2003 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Anonymous):
>>>Does Firewire work?
>>Yes.

>Of course, but only with the super secret Beta tester 1 only driver that noone except the core developers knew it would exist drivers right? I heard that there we're some DMA problems with it, that was of course blamed at the ArticiaS

FireWire just works.
At the office, we pluged a FireWire Camera on the Pegasos and with FFmpeg (running under Linux) encode and stream the video in real-time over the LAN.

Please, check you info
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 139 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 16-Oct-2003 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Leki):
> ªyou cant just wack your workbench disks in and run AmigaOS (3.9)> you can only run the classic AmigaOS through emulation. I'm not so sure. Could be possible boot Pegasos from Amiga HD, I think.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 140 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-Oct-2003 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (itix):
It is possible, I did it accidently, as my Amiga HD has a higher boot pri.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 141 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Stephane Desrosiers):
> I would have much prefered they would have used the AmigaDE logo and name

But that would have been truly misleading, AmigaDE is a sideshow in the Amiga/Pegasos world. Now. The Genesi page just says, literally, "the following operating systems are in the early stages of being ported to the Pegasos Platform: Amiga". It's hard to find somthing wrong with that because that is a careful description of what is happening: AmigaOS is ported to the PPC platform and it's an ongoing project. It's not a friendly port and it is not based on the original source code (well, let's not get into that now) but "just" a port of the API. Nevertheless, it's a port to me as good as any fully authorized port. Somebody ports BeOS, I call it a port of BeOS. If I'm in the mood, I might add a qualifier such a "official port of BeOS" or "hostily port of BeOS" or "open source port of BeOS" but most of the time, I just don't care about such fine disticntions. What's the point in wasting your time with semantics? MorphOS is, for all practical purposes, AmigaOS ported to PowerPC. If you think that you can talk reality away on ann, you are delusional.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 142 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 16-Oct-2003 21:31 GMT
LOL I'm sure that some intelligent guyz here ordered a Aos4 for Amigaone in 2001 LOL
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 143 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Oct-2003 21:58 GMT
Hopefully in the next week there will be pictures of this Pegasos II board that was promised for September. Hopefully it will be released as something that is not a beta product as well, unlike the Beta Tester systems.

At least Genesi can design a pretty looking site though. Also their PR is a lot better than Amiga Incs. Then again, I don't think that there are many AmigaOS followers that still care about Amiga Inc. They care about Hyperion finishing the OS and Eyetech releasing hardware. Amiga Inc are this vague entity that have bad PR and bad management.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 144 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 16-Oct-2003 22:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Johan Rönnblom):
Pardon my ignorance, but in what way is 3.9 not better than 3.1?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 145 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 16-Oct-2003 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Anonymous):
Because the one from 1992 works as you expect it to perhaps? :)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 146 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Druideck on 16-Oct-2003 22:52 GMT
It is great to see Pegasos 2 arrive,Pegasos and Morphos isthe fastest computer I have ever seen running Amiga software.We will soon have two Pegs running here. Great product, hopethe future is even better. Oh yeah, we still keep our Amigasfor running older games, like aga stuff etc. Great machines!
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 147 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 17-Oct-2003 00:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Anonymous):
>> I would have much prefered they would have used the AmigaDE logo and name
>
> But that would have been truly misleading, AmigaDE is a sideshow in the
> Amiga/Pegasos world. Now. The Genesi page just says, literally, "the
> following operating systems are in the early stages of being ported to the
> Pegasos Platform: Amiga".

However, *at the time* the new PegasosPPC website came up (the revision before the Peg-II additions), it was originally linked to the AmigaDE site. It spilled over several large threads to Ann and Amiga.org where a few Genesi employees detailed that they have arranged for the porting to occur. AmigaInc employees retorted with "that's news to us the lawsuit isn't settled".

see: http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1061267771&category=web&start=1&43
and: http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml

> It's hard to find somthing wrong with that because that is a careful
> description of what is happening: AmigaOS is ported to the PPC platform and
> it's an ongoing project. It's not a friendly port and it is not based on the
> original source code (well, let's not get into that now) but "just" a port of
> the API.

Umm... That's not the point, besides, I'm fully aware what MorphOS is, considering that I'm typing this on my Pegasos (being one of the 6 Canadians that have one. :P)

If you look at the MorphOs site, it states compatibility there:
http://www.morphos.net/morphos_software.php

In fact, the last paragraph in the large MorphOS section of the Operating Systems page: http://www.pegasosppc.com/operating_systems.php details compatibility with Commodore AXXX and Commodore AXXXX systems.

> Nevertheless, it's a port to me as good as any fully authorized
> port. Somebody ports BeOS, I call it a port of BeOS. If I'm in the mood, I
> might add a qualifier such a "official port of BeOS" or "hostily port of
> BeOS" or "open source port of BeOS" but most of the time, I just don't care
> about such fine disticntions. What's the point in wasting your time with
> semantics?

It's not a port per say, it's a clone. Does that make it better/worse/equal? It all depends on your perspective. It serves most of my purposes and already surpasses what I wanted from my original Amiga's. ;)

> MorphOS is, for all practical purposes, AmigaOS ported to PowerPC. If you
> think that you can talk reality away on ann, you are delusional.

Well, to me it does feel like AmigaOS (actually my 060, Cybervision64/3d based system feels realllly sluggish). It has the essence of AmigaOS.

Nevertheless, unless the intention of that "Early port" section has changed since it was originally posted, it was meant to indicate porting of AmigaDE. To which is the reason I stated that I would have preferred them to say it was for AmigaDE and not just "Amiga".
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 148 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Oct-2003 01:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (IamCleverToo):
Dude, you're just as much anonymous, so STFU!
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 149 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-Oct-2003 05:10 GMT
I have a proposition. Why not all trolls stop using the acronym LOL as it drives me crazy as fuck, plz?

Leki, Eva?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 150 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 17-Oct-2003 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (hooligan/dcs):
What? You're not crazy already? You sure have had me fooled for quite some time :)
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