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[News] Pegasos II is here!ANN.lu
Posted on 16-Oct-2003 05:00 GMT by IamCleverToo (Edited on 2003-10-16 13:47:41 GMT by Christophe Decanini)188 comments
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Pegasos II is here! : Comment 151 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-Oct-2003 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Not to say my doctor. Twice.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 152 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 17-Oct-2003 05:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Wayne Hunt):
> No. Images of the Pegasos II were not available to the Web team at the
> time of the Web site update. Not a real issue.

> Wayne Hunt
> Genesi USA

Hey Wayne -- I do have a 'different Image' for your collection:

http://home.iprimus.com.au/vortexau/images5/GarryHareIMM.jpg

No need to SCAN this:-)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 153 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Oct-2003 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (DET Nicolas):
So the AmigaONE is using an Marvell because it has its FSB running @ 133Mhz right?

Funny how people always blame the ArticiaS......
File corruption @ DMA transfers -> Blame the ArticiaS -> Turns out that the latest linux kernel for the AmigaONE fixes this problem.
FSB not running reliable @ 133MHz-> Blame the ArticiaS -> But the AmigaONE runs just fine @ 133Mhz FSB

The latest B*ll story I heard is that the ArticiaS AGP port is running at AGP1x speed while advertised as AGP 2x.......

While the DMA and FSB stories turned out to be NOT true, I highly doubt that the AGP is true either.

So i'm questioning the engineering capabilities of Genesi.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 154 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by gemuse on 17-Oct-2003 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (hooligan/dcs):
Well, I did a bit of checking and this is what I found:

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1517&p=11

Here we have 119.5 fps using the Radeon 7500 (which, by the way, is horribly outdated) on an Athlon MP 1.2Ghz. I'll guess the XP 1800 is a bit faster. So I guess they've taken the Steve Jobs Crash-course in Outrageous Claims and Skewed Benchmarking :P
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 155 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 17-Oct-2003 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Eva):
LOL I'm sure that some intelligent guyz here bought an UNUSABLE pegasos hoping to see OS4 running on it...LOL

Eva: vai da uno psicologo, per favore.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 156 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Oct-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (amighista):
Would you want to share with up the reason you think it is... "Unusuable"?
I really wonder... I use it almost every day.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 157 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-Oct-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
;-)

All chips are re-named. The CPU is called Garda and .... ;D
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 158 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 17-Oct-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Anonymous):
DMA corruption is true. It is extremely rare (in my experience, at least...) but possibility of DMA trash is there. You can stress system and copy files around without any corruption taking place. But later on (when not stressing system or doing tests) you copy one file and find it being corrupted.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 159 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Oct-2003 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Druideck):
"It is great to see Pegasos 2 arrive,Pegasos and Morphos is
the fastest computer I have ever seen running Amiga software."

Have you compared Amithlon running on a fast AMD processor?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 160 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 17-Oct-2003 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (DET Nicolas):
> it's the ArticiaS which can't handle 133Mhz.

So, why does my AmigaOne (who says it has a ArticiaS) work with 133MHz FSB (without any problems)? Maybe it's *not* the Articia?

Ciao, Alfred
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 161 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-Oct-2003 10:15 GMT
The processor page started to bug me...

Suggestions:

In the G3 part replace the Celeron vith VIA C3 in the power consumption graph.

And for the quake 3 part use Quake1 (or 2) with SW render to put the stress on the CPU performance.



With those little modifications those comparissons might become even little bit less Apple like.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 162 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-Oct-2003 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Johan Rönnblom):
"And in any case, MOS1.4 is certainly more advanced than either 3.1 or
3.9, so it's not that relevant."

LOL!

It seems that AOS4 will contain about everything that came with AOS3.9. But as you said you pretty much prefer AOS3.1 over AOS3.9, except that MOS 1.4 is even better (ignoring the fact that it uses AOS) so AOS4 will definitely not be for you... you better stay with MOS. ;)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 163 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 17-Oct-2003 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Alfred Schwarz):
> So, why does my AmigaOne (who says it has a ArticiaS) work with 133MHz FSB (without any problems)? How come I read some AmigaOne owners have problems with 133MHz?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 164 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 17-Oct-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Alfred Schwarz):
I hope your other problems have been fixed as well in the meantime.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 165 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Oct-2003 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (David Scheibler):
And what problems are you reffering to?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 166 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 17-Oct-2003 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (itix):
Where?

Playing around with various clock settings has been used as part of diagnosing
problems ( generally to do with overheating G4s ), is that what you mean?

Or do you mean internet BS from people that no one is able to track down as a
valid A1 user?

Or do you mean something genuine?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 167 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Oct-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Alfred Schwarz):
>So, why does my AmigaOne (who says it has a ArticiaS) work with 133MHz FSB (without any problems)? Maybe it's *not* the Articia?

Or maybe it is the Arctica and the A1 developers just got lucky or had insider info from MAI on how to work around deficiencies in the Actica (route your traces this way, do not make them longer than such and such etc, and on 50% of your machines, it will work with 133 MHz, fingers crossed). What I want to say is, that, if the Pegasos was designed according to the Arctica specs, and *then* doesn't work, I can't in good conscience blame the Pegasos designers. In the ideal world, the mainbaord can be redesigned if desaster like that happens. And you loose a buckload of money. Oh wait, that seems to have happened, I'm posting in a Pegasos 2 thread.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 168 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 17-Oct-2003 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Anonymous):
>Now. The Genesi page just says, literally, "the following operating systems are
>in the early stages of being ported to the Pegasos Platform: Amiga". It's hard
>to find somthing wrong with that because that is a careful description of what
>is happening: AmigaOS is ported to the PPC platform and it's an ongoing project.

it easy to find something to fault with that....yes AmigaOS is being ported to the PPC platform but not for the pegasos.

>MorphOS is, for all practical purposes, AmigaOS ported to PowerPC. If you think
>that you can talk reality away on ann, you are delusional.

no it isn`t...its a wannbe clone at best. If i made a clone of windows XP for my AmigaOne that could run some windows software and i made it look like windows XP. would that be windows XP?... Nope...and i think i would be sued pretty quickly by M$ too.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 169 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Oct-2003 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Leki):
Good reasoning with 2 flaws:
1) It does not run *some* Amiga software, it runs *MOST* OS friendly software.
2) Microsoft wouldn't sue you... Take a look at the Lindows case...
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 170 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 17-Oct-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (hooligan/dcs):
>I have a proposition. Why not all trolls stop using the acronym LOL as it
>drives me crazy as fuck, plz?
>Leki, Eva?

from some of the comments i have seen you post in threads i would say you were the troll.

get used to "LOL", everyone uses it
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 171 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 17-Oct-2003 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
yeah and didn`t they try sueing Lindows?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 172 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 17-Oct-2003 14:09 GMT
Interresting thread this one !

Have only one question... too...

post # 80

> This "wannabe" argument shows you yet another marketing ly.

Who do you wannabee today.. ? :-)
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 173 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Oct-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Leki):
They sued them about the name, which resembles "Windows", and failed.
They had no case on anything else.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 174 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-Oct-2003 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (Leki):
>from some of the comments i have seen you post in threads i would say you were the troll.

oh THE troll even :)

>get used to "LOL", everyone uses it

It seems to be used mostly by trolls, as in "LOL pegasUs running only at x1 agp speed LOL".
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 175 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 17-Oct-2003 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (amighista):
Tizio, lo psicologo deve lavorare su quei poveri coglioni che dal 2001 hanno creduto alle parole di Ben Herman. Poichè tu sei in tale BELLO schieramento, sei pregato di andare a farti controllare.

PS
Mi spiace che degli italiani possano essere così rincoglioniti come te.

PPS
Complimenti per l'attesa AHAHAHHA
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 176 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 17-Oct-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (Eva):
Ti rispondo col proverbio: CHI DISPREZZA poi COMPRA, caro il mio frocio.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 177 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 17-Oct-2003 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (amighista):
Ovviamente, caro EVA, sarai TU a comprare OS4 e A1.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 178 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 17-Oct-2003 21:59 GMT
Damn, the anonymous trolls have completely ruined this thread.

People, do NOT feed the trolls!

Is there a single post in this thread about the Pegasos2 ?!?!?!
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 179 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 17-Oct-2003 22:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (DaveP):
> Playing around with various clock settings has been used as part of diagnosing> problems ( generally to do with overheating G4s ), is that what you mean? Some users just report 100MHz clock speed is more reliable for them. Anyway, I see Peg crowd blaming Articia and A1 crowd blaming Linux, G4 & SB. Dunno where the truth is but both camps seem to have probs.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 180 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 18-Oct-2003 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (itix):
itix: well.. As Pegasos 2 is no longer havign Articia we should be
able to see what's different.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 181 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 18-Oct-2003 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Don Cox):
Have you compared Amithlon running on a fast AMD processor?
Yes indeed my 1,5 GHz AMD is a monster in Amithlon. So Xeon would do a lot better.
Emulation with such a gigantic speed is almost 'burning' the program.
Anyway if a G4 with 1.4 GHz would hit the Pegasos then 'we' still are behind the x86 facts.
- I know speed is NOT that counts anymore, but still....
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 182 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"1) It does not run *some* Amiga software, it runs *MOST* OS friendly software."

Friendly with what OS?

Only a small proportion of the software that is friendly with Amiga OS 3 and runs on an A1200 will also run on an AmigaOne/AOS4 or Pegasos/MorphOS. Unless you rely on UAE, of course.

IMO that is the big disadvantage of moving to modern hardware. OTOH there are big advantages for the programs that do run.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 183 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (hgm):
"Have you compared Amithlon running on a fast AMD processor?
Yes indeed my 1,5 GHz AMD is a monster in Amithlon. So Xeon would do a lot better.
Emulation with such a gigantic speed is almost 'burning' the program.
Anyway if a G4 with 1.4 GHz would hit the Pegasos then 'we' still are behind the x86 facts.
- I know speed is NOT that counts anymore, but still...."

People with slow computers say speed doesn't matter.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 184 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 19-Oct-2003 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (Don Cox):
> Only a small proportion of the software that is friendly with Amiga OS 3 and runs on an A1200> will also run on an AmigaOne/AOS4 or Pegasos/MorphOS. Unless you rely on UAE, of course. 99% of system friendly applications run on Pegasos/MorphOS if they stay away from custom chips.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 185 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Oct-2003 04:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (itix):
Itix,

I've talked to all the A1 owners I know, and they run at 133, as do I, and I do not experience
any problems.

I haven't heard any A1 people blaming Linux for running at 100, only lack of cooling
and sometimes using the wrong power supply.

Dave.
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 186 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 20-Oct-2003 09:58 GMT
>http://www.pegasosppc.com/processor.php

Note that Athlon XP 1530 MHz (1800+) can run from VIA KT133/KLE133** to nForce II 400 Ultra. Game performance can be influenced by motherboard/chipset/GPU/APU combinations.

My very old Athlon XP 1530 MHz(Palomino Core)(1800+) runs Quake III at ~155Fps
-demo001*.
_at normal settings*.
_no sound*.
_Geforce 2 MX/MSI6330 V3.6 (VIA KT133A)).
(It's even faster when Athlon XP optimised QuakeIII dll is used).
_512MB PC133.

With higher spec'ed HW with similar scene*, it yielded with ~318Fps. HW was
_Athlon XP @2.08Ghz(TBred-B/Thornton Core), 333DDR FSB
_Geforce 4 TI 4200 VIVO(NV25)
_ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe,
_BIOS 1006
_PC3200 1GB (running @DDR333).

**Via Sandra2003 Pro, the crappy VIA KLE133's memory bandwith is about 580MB/s. nForce II 400 Ultra's memory bandwith is about ~3045MB/s (single channel).
****Quake III with DDR400FSB and NV25 @4600 HW setup was not tested (processor @~2.2Ghz).
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 187 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 20-Oct-2003 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (hammer):
>http://www.pegasosppc.com/processor.php

1. What happened to "Pentium M" comparisons (a better product comparison than the Celeron)?
2. Which Athlon XP core did Genesi used in their test?
Pegasos II is here! : Comment 188 of 188ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 20-Oct-2003 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (hgm):
>Yes indeed my 1,5 GHz AMD is a monster in Amithlon. So Xeon would do a lot better.

Note that one could define a fast AMD processor as the current flagchip K8 Athlon FX51(@2.2Ghz). Even the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition was out classed(especially in playing games).
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