| [News] Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 17-Oct-2003 21:36 GMT by Rich Woods | 215 comments
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Both Thendic and Amiga's Attorney's have stipulated a new trial date for the Thendic-Amiga trial. (March 1, 2004)
Judge Lasnik has GRANTED a stipulation by both Thenidc and Amiga's attornies for a new trial date of March 1, 2004.
This effectively puts things back to square one. Amiga's OLD attorney's are now hadnling the legal matters.
It would seem Amiga must have had to come up with a LOT of cold, hard cash to get their attornies willing to handle the case again.
One of the docs includes a letter to billyboy that he is required to have a licensed attorney represent a corporation in a Federal court case.
Apparently billyboy as CEO of a corporation, wasn't aware of this basic fact.
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MOTION for Judgment and Dismissal of Counterclaims for Lack of
Representation by Plaintiffs Genesi Sarl, Thendic Electronics Components.
Noting Date 10/31/2003. (Attachments: # 1 Note for Motion; # 2 Text of Proposed Order)(AF, ) (Entered: 10/15/2003)
10/08/2003
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DECLARATION of Richard Hughes filed by Plaintiffs in support of 28 MOTION for Judgment and Dismissal of Counterclaims for Lack of Representation. (AF, ) (Entered: 10/15/2003)
10/14/2003
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STIPULATION AND ORDER RESETTING CASE SCHEDULE AND TRIAL: Bench Trial set for 3/1/2004 before Hon Robert S. Lasnik. Discovery due by 11/21/2003; Dispositive motions due by 12/9/2003; Deadline to hear dispositive motions is 1/2/2004; 39.1 Settlement Report due by 2/9/2004; Pretrial Order due by 2/18/2004; Settlement conference to be held by 1/6/2004; Trial briefs and exhibits to be submitted by 2/25/2004; by Judge Robert S. Lasnik. (AF, ) (Entered: 10/15/2003)
10/15/2003
Diana S Shukis, attorney for Defendant, reset to receive noticing.
Stipulation and Order Resetting Case Schedule and Trial 30 mailed to counsel. (AF, ) (Entered: 10/15/2003)
OFFICIAL Court documents are to be found
Stipulation
MotionDIsmiss
Judgement1
Judgement2
DecHughes
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 151 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 18-Oct-2003 13:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 147 (Amon_Re):
"Ark! Evil Creditcards! :-) "
Actually, AMEX originally only did a charge card, NOT a credit card. Nowadays, they also offer credit cards though (Amex Blue). |
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| Posted by - on 18-Oct-2003 15:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 151 (Anonymous):
Well if they don't offer an AMEX Red they are biased and need to be boycotted!
Stew |
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| Posted by Troels E on 18-Oct-2003 15:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 29 (hooligan/dcs):
@Hooligan
But you're also one sad individual..
Apparantly fucked up just like Richieboy.... |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 154 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by smithy on 18-Oct-2003 15:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 140 (Darrin):
>@ Rich:
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>Once again:
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>Who is paying your expenses?
Has it occurred to you that Rich has no links with any organisation, and is just doing this so that the truth gets out. How else is Amiga Inc's real position going to get out? I don't think it will in Ask Fleecy. And before anyone mutters something about "only hearing one side of the story" - that is very true - we have only heard McEwan's side of the story (it was he that answered the questions), not Thendic's. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 155 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 17:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 142 (Darrin):
Posted by Darrin (12.36.240.130) on 18-Oct-2003 15:00:04
In Reply to Comment 141:
and who's slipping you funds to pay off your American Express card?
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If you are trying to determine if there is some one else other than myself paying my bills you are on the wrong track. I pay my own bills.
also, do you have a Pegasos (any model)?
Nope. although I intend to get a Pegasos II - and also to rebuy OS4.0. Even though I laid out the money for the SDK package over 2 years ago and had the dealer (Merlancia) not deliver the product). So it has cost me $100 already - so Imight as well throw in anaother $100 when it comes out. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 18-Oct-2003 17:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 152 (-):
*grin*
They do green, blue, gold and platinum, but no red... |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 157 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 17:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 151 (Anonymous):
Comment 151 of 156
Posted by Anonymous (62.253.96.42) on 18-Oct-2003 15:54:27
In Reply to Comment 147:
"Ark! Evil Creditcards! :-) "
Actually, AMEX originally only did a charge card, NOT a credit card. Nowadays, they also offer credit cards though (Amex Blue).
Ah someone quite knowledgable. Funny the Merlancia team blew off their Amex Blue card to the tune of either $15K or $22K - so many judgements I can't remember them all.
Seems like all the big shots are collecting judgements like crazy. |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 17:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 154 (smithy):
Posted by smithy (62.31.171.106) on 18-Oct-2003 17:45:40
In Reply to Comment 140:
>@ Rich:
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>Once again:
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>Who is paying your expenses?
Has it occurred to you that Rich has no links with any organisation, and is just doing this so that the truth gets out. How else is Amiga Inc's real
I think certain people just CAN'T accept that fact.
position going to get out? I don't think it will in Ask Fleecy. And before anyone mutters something about "only hearing one side of the story" - that is very true - we have only heard McEwan's side of the story (it was he that answered the questions), not Thendic's.
Well we do have some answers in the court docs (answers to the counter charges etc) but there has NOT yet been a deposition of Bill Buck. But that may or may not be applicable if it goes to trial and Buck is put on the stand.
I doubt there will be a trial however - I just don't think Amiga will want to get billyboy on the stand and the barrage of questons that will happen - "Where did the funds come for a lawyer?" - Of course it will be that it is borrowed money most likely will be the answer.
And knowing the sheeplord and billyboy read these forums they'll probabyl say yeah - great answer. |
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| Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 18-Oct-2003 17:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 4 (Rich Woods):
> I am guessing here - that Amiga somehow thinks OS4.0 is going to bail them
> out of a hole and make things fine again.
Sounds a reasonable guess to me... assuming they are in trouble.
> Pegasos has made such giant inroads that I think they have far outdistanced
> Amiga
Whatever imaginary inroads you think Pegasos has made, a recent poll conducted on the MorphOS loving Amiga.org only proves that the vast majority of people in the Amiga "community" want an AmigaOne and OS 4.0. Those imaginary "inroads" will quickly be reduced to nothing on launch. But every MorphOS-loving Amiga name-follower already knows that.
It just strikes me as odd that once great Amiga sites are so determined to relegate themselves to history. But hey, if they can't be bothered to listen to the vast majority of their users in favour of a few rabid MorphOS zealots, I guess they only have themselves to blame ;-) |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 18:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 159 (TheArrogantSarny):
Posted by TheArrogantSarny (81.174.207.98) on 18-Oct-2003 19:43:02
In Reply to Comment 4:
> I am guessing here - that Amiga somehow thinks OS4.0 is going to bail them
> out of a hole and make things fine again.
Sounds a reasonable guess to me... assuming they are in trouble.
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Yeah - maybe you're right. All those lawsuits by former employees to collect back pay, the State of WA suing them over unpaid taxes, and on and on really doesn't prove they are in trouble. Matter of fact apparently the "next round of funding" is just around the corner.
Have YOU considered "investing" in Amiga by loaning them some money so they can get whole again?
> Pegasos has made such giant inroads that I think they have far outdistanced
> Amiga
Whatever imaginary inroads you think Pegasos has made, a recent poll conducted on the MorphOS loving Amiga.org only proves that the vast majority of people in the Amiga "community" want an AmigaOne and OS 4.0. Those imaginary "inroads" will quickly be reduced to nothing on launch. But every MorphOS-loving Amiga name-follower already knows that.
If you said OS4.0 I would agree with you. I really don't think that many people have the $800+ to go out and buy a system that will run OS4.0 and Linux.
Those (like myself) with PPC systems of course will buy OS4.0 - as I already paid $100 for it in the SDK "promotion"!
Also Genesi has other products lines and appears to be in a financially sound condition. Amiga is 2.2 million in the hole - any income will be liened upon to collect the judgements owed. Amiga would need at least 3 million - to break even.
It just strikes me as odd that once great Amiga sites are so determined to relegate themselves to history. But hey, if they can't be bothered to listen to the vast majority of their users in favour of a few rabid MorphOS zealots, I guess they only have themselves to blame ;-)
MorphOS zealots - are they the only ones you can blame for Amiga's present predicament?
Genesi (on a simple business level) is generating press, releasing product and getting a really good name (on the computing scene - outside of the Amiga scene). This is strictly a business observation -
Amiga - has a extremely poor financial situation, will find it near impossible to attract investors, and has a way to go to keep the software and other applications upgraded to attract the more serious users.
Amiga (and Genesi) just can't go on with the Amiga community to generate revenue. That is why Linux (and the numerous other apps on Genesi) is important to the business world and computing community.
Unfortunately, Amiga doesn't have all the high powered apps. (Digital video, etc - I wish I coould get that on an Amaiga One - using my Sony camcorder to edit video, my Casio Exilim camera to download pics to an application etc.
This is one reason why to my I cannot justify a Amiga One. OS4.0 yes- but not the whole $800+ system.
Amiga had Bernie (Amithlon) and so many other numerous opportunities to get the Amiga community behind them, all they did was thumb their noses and tell us everything was "on schedule and rockin'".
Whether you like Genesi or not - they are out doing trade shows, signing up new US distributors (spoke to the gentleman 2 days ago about the Pegasos), getting a lot of the Amiga developers together and getting them real PAID JOBS - stuff which makes the economy grow.
Amiga has simply too much catching up to do in my estimation to generate the monies needed to put themselves in the black again. |
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| Posted by Darrin on 18-Oct-2003 18:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 158 (Rich Woods):
@ Rich:
>I think certain people just CAN'T accept that fact.
That's quite true. You're obviously expending a hell of a lot of effort into this and I still can't see why. Ever used the handle "Turrican"?
I can also see how your actions could be considered extremely helpful to another party that couldn't present the information you do (in the manner you do it) for themselves.
Finally, you say you want OS4 for yourself, but by constantly attacking Amiga Inc you're also attempting to undermine the position of Eyetech's AMigaOne and Hyperions OS4. I can also think how this would be helpful to a certain other party.
PS. Quotes like this also don't help your position:
"the sheeplord and billyboy..." |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 18:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 161 (Darrin):
Posted by Darrin (12.36.240.130) on 18-Oct-2003 20:28:26
In Reply to Comment 158:
@ Rich:
Finally, you say you want OS4 for yourself, but by constantly attacking Amiga Inc you're also attempting to undermine the position of Eyetech's AMigaOne and Hyperions OS4. I can also think how this would be helpful to a certain other party.
How do I undermione OS4 when I say I am going to buy it? Eyetech - I hope they do well with the AmigaOne, I hope Genesi does well with Pegasos - they are the one's keeping the Amiga community together.
Amiga, Inc is doing neither. OS4.0 and Eyetech will hopefully survive even without the presence of the "executives" of Amiga, Inc. They are superflourous to the continuation of Amiga at this point.
PS. Quotes like this also don't help your position:
"the sheeplord and billyboy..."
you don't understand I don't have a "position" - market and business forces will determine who lives and who dies - you certainly don't think I am going to influence anyone on what to buy?
Reveiws, demos, and smart marketing will do that.
By the way since fleecy and billyboy are literally laughing stocks (contrary to what you may believe), and those names were used before I used them I wouldn't worry about my "position".
They are big boys and don't need you to defend themselves. When they come out of virtual hiding you can tell them yourself. |
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| Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 18-Oct-2003 19:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 160 (Rich Woods):
> If you said OS4.0 I would agree with you. I really don't think that many
> people have the $800+ to go out and buy a system that will run OS4.0 and
> Linux.
I don't think many people have the money to spend however much on a machine that runs MorphOS, Linux and various other claimed OSes which I doubt will ever really materialize on it. Heck... we haven't even seen the Q-Box yet.
> Also Genesi has other products lines and appears to be in a financially
> sound condition.
Appearances can be deceptive ;-)
> Amiga is 2.2 million in the hole - any income will be
> liened upon to collect the judgements owed. Amiga would need at least 3
> million - to break even.
I'm still wondering where this 2.2 million figure has come from
>> It just strikes me as odd that once great Amiga sites are so determined
>> to relegate themselves to history. But hey, if they can't be bothered to
>> listen to the vast majority of their users in favour of a few rabid
>> MorphOS zealots, I guess they only have themselves to blame ;-)
> MorphOS zealots - are they the only ones you can blame for Amiga's present
> predicament?
No... that was referring to various Amiga sites apparant suicidal tendancies, not a reference to Amiga's alleged predicaments. It's easy to make a claim - it's winning that claim that counts. And I can't help but question Genesi's tactics and motives. They (in the form of Viscorp) lied a decade ago. They've lied since and although some of the things they say may be true, it's extremely hard to decide which small nuggets of uselessness fall into this category given their track record.
I don't think Amiga have actually lied yet. Revised their business plan a few times maybe. But that ain't lying - just market forces.
But hey, let's face it, at the end of the day, if the 2.2 million allegation about Amiga is true, we may never find out the whole truth. The world revolves around money and it seems pretty apparant that Genesi and their supporters entire tactics revolves around trying to bleed Amiga dry before the court case ever occurs. |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 18-Oct-2003 19:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 159 (TheArrogantSarny):
Posted by TheArrogantSarny (81.174.207.98) on 18-Oct-2003 19:43:02
In Reply to Comment 4:
>> I am guessing here - that Amiga somehow thinks OS4.0 is going to bail them
>> out of a hole and make things fine again.
>Sounds a reasonable guess to me... assuming they are in trouble.
No it doesn't. Just count approximitely how many OS4's they would beed to sell just to get even balances. The number is just too high I am afraid.
>> Pegasos has made such giant inroads that I think they have far outdistanced
>> Amiga
>Whatever imaginary inroads you think Pegasos has made, a recent poll conducted on the MorphOS loving Amiga.org only proves that the vast majority of people in the Amiga "community" want an AmigaOne and OS 4.0. Those imaginary "inroads" will quickly be reduced to nothing on launch. But every MorphOS-loving Amiga name-follower already knows that.
I am a Pegasos/MorphOS user, still wanting A1/OS4 to make it. And I am sure I am not alone. Can you imagine some people actually want both platforms to make it?
When it comes to polls, as we have seen in past, polls are pretty much meaningless. At best, giving a point of direction and nothing else.
I'd be amazed if Pegasos somehow would be on top of the poll on an Amiga-site ... |
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| Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 18-Oct-2003 19:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 164 (hooligan/dcs):
> I'd be amazed if Pegasos somehow would be on top of the poll on an Amiga-site.
Amiga.org is a MorphOS site. It's run by MorphOS lovers. It's just the vast majority of users are Amiga users. Go figure ;-) |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 19:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 163 (TheArrogantSarny):
Posted by TheArrogantSarny (81.174.207.98) on 18-Oct-2003 21:03:24
In Reply to Comment 160:
> If you said OS4.0 I would agree with you. I really don't think that many
> people have the $800+ to go out and buy a system that will run OS4.0 and
> Linux.
I don't think many people have the money to spend however much on a machine that runs MorphOS, Linux and various other claimed OSes which I doubt will ever really materialize on it. Heck... we haven't even seen the Q-Box yet.
Materialize on it? With all the shows they have been attending? with all the oppotunities to see for yourself? Why not ask the attendees of Amiwest what was running?
what does the Q-box have to do with Genesi or the Amiga? No relevance to the subject were are talking about. We haven't seen the Boxer yet also - so what.
> Also Genesi has other products lines and appears to be in a financially
> sound condition.
Appearances can be deceptive ;-)
I can see you are not much of a businessman - why not check out D&B and find out the financial health of both companies. The Amiga D&B report is available on my site.
> Amiga is 2.2 million in the hole - any income will be
> liened upon to collect the judgements owed. Amiga would need at least 3
> million - to break even.
I'm still wondering where this 2.2 million figure has come from
From the mouth of billyboy in his deposition. But then maybe he's lying?
> MorphOS zealots - are they the only ones you can blame for Amiga's present
> predicament?
No... that was referring to various Amiga sites apparant suicidal tendancies, not a reference to Amiga's alleged predicaments. It's easy to make a claim - it's winning that claim that counts. And I can't help but question Genesi's tactics and motives. They (in the form of Viscorp) lied a decade ago. They've lied since and although some of the things they say may be true, it's extremely hard to decide which small nuggets of uselessness fall into this category given their track record.
And the same for Amiga, INc and their management.
I don't think Amiga have actually lied yet. Revised their business plan a few times maybe. But that ain't lying - just market forces.
Well you can think what you like but the facts, coupons, and other distortions and/or non truths speak for themselves. Ready the court documents. Plenty of stuff in their also - billyboy's own words.
But hey, let's face it, at the end of the day, if the 2.2 million allegation about Amiga is true, we may never find out the whole truth. The world revolves
The 2.2 million is billyboy's own statement. Can't you get the docs yourself? didn't you get access for the court records? Or maybe you just don't want to know?
around money and it seems pretty apparant that Genesi and their supporters entire tactics revolves around trying to bleed Amiga dry before the court case ever occurs.
Apparent to you maybe. Are you aware that the court case was NOT dismissed by the judge and allowed to go foward? Therefore the judge believes there was merit in the arguments and set a trial - if he believed the claims WEE NOT meritorious the case would have been dismissed.
Are you aware of how the courts work? |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 19:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 164 (hooligan/dcs):
I am a Pegasos/MorphOS user, still wanting A1/OS4 to make it. And I am sure I am not alone. Can you imagine some people actually want both platforms to make it?
When it comes to polls, as we have seen in past, polls are pretty much meaningless. At best, giving a point of direction and nothing else.
I'd be amazed if Pegasos somehow would be on top of the poll on an Amiga-site ...
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I don't think people realize that Pegasos is KEEPING the Amiga community alive. So many were getting PC's and leaving the Amiga platform because it could not do the heavy duty work requqired (video etc).
Since Amaiga developers are working for Genesi and getting PAID they keep on developing. And they are helping to keep the Amiga dream alive - it's been years since the "on schedule and rockin'" quote and people just don't believe Amiga anymore.
And I hope Eyetech and Hyperion does well also - with the small market share there is now - all of them will sooner or later have to work together to keep the Amaiga community going.
Doesn't matter if it is AmigaOne or Pegasos - matter of fact it is GOOD to have choices - competition keeps prices down - although with such a small market that may not necessarily apply to the fullest.
Heard on the radio - a 2.2 gig system (Dell?) $399! |
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| Posted by smithy on 18-Oct-2003 19:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (EyeAm):
>I just came across something more interesting, though. I had not seen these
>pictures of Amiga's offices before. And Bill McEwen's truck license plate :)
Amiga Inc had a cube farm! Preventing people from talking to each other - especially those who work in a team to produce the same product!? So much for being forward-looking organisation. |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 19:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 165 (TheArrogantSarny):
Comment 165 of 167
Posted by TheArrogantSarny (81.174.207.98) on 18-Oct-2003 21:26:55
In Reply to Comment 164:
> I'd be amazed if Pegasos somehow would be on top of the poll on an Amiga-site.
Amiga.org is a MorphOS site. It's run by MorphOS lovers. It's just the vast majority of users are Amiga users. Go figure ;-)
Amigaworld is a Amiga OS4.0/AmigaOne site. It's run by AmigaONe lovers. It's just the vast majority of users are Amiga users. Go figure ;-) |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Oct-2003 19:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 168 (smithy):
Posted by smithy (213.48.31.24) on 18-Oct-2003 21:36:12
In Reply to Comment 61:
>I just came across something more interesting, though. I had not seen these
>pictures of Amiga's offices before. And Bill McEwen's truck license plate :)
Amiga Inc had a cube farm! Preventing people from talking to each other - especially those who work in a team to produce the same product!? So much for being forward-looking organisation.
To be fair most companies have a cubicle set up. cheaper than having offices with individual rooms.
And there were rooms in the front of the building - so they could have had "meeting" there - and their offices were 10,000 sq feet. Pretty large. I guess I'll have to go to the PC and post the office pictures when I was there for the auction.
They did have a nice corporate office set up - bland and generic - but like a lot of other office setups. Cubicles etc. |
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| Posted by TheArrogantSarny on 18-Oct-2003 19:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 169 (Rich Woods):
> Amigaworld is a Amiga OS4.0/AmigaOne site. It's run by AmigaONe lovers.
> It's just the vast majority of users are Amiga users. Go figure ;-)
And the problem? ;-P |
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| Posted by smithy on 18-Oct-2003 20:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 170 (Rich Woods):
>To be fair most companies have a cubicle set up. cheaper than having offices >with individual rooms.
I guessed that most companies have them, especially in call centres, but if you're working a team-oriented organisation that doesn't involve being on the phone all day, there is no need to prevent people from communicating. My employer doesn't have a cubefarm. We have desks arranged in groups of 4 (2 facing each other) with no partitions between them. This is great because the team can talk to each other informally without having to schedule a meeting. You learn so much more in idle-chit-chat about what you're working on than in regular meetings. |
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| Posted by EyeAm on 18-Oct-2003 20:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 133 (Darrin):
>In Reply to Comment 98:
>Richieboy wrote:
>>I'm familiar with something higher than the law: Truth. :)
>No, you're familiar with hooker newsgroups and you wouldn't know the truth
>if it jumped up and bit you on your bottom.
I'm sure they exist, but have never visited any. Just what are you talking about?
>Doesn't Dana drive a truck with AMIGA on the plate?
Who is Dana?
--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us |
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| Posted by AmigaGuy on 18-Oct-2003 20:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 65 (John):
>they should all be behind bars for a long time
Shut the EFF up. Child molesters go free in this country because there is not enough room for all the criminals.
You MorphOS guys spread all your crap all you want. Do you really think people besides yourselves believe Amiga Inc tried to screw a few people out of $50 with the promise of a T-Shirt because they thought they'd get rich. They suck at running a company so those 'evil' bastards should rot in hell?? Grow up. |
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| Posted by Gregg on 18-Oct-2003 22:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 39 (Darrin):
I do? Well, fancy that. Excuse me for not realising - I haven't been keeping score.
So : did you win this one, or did I? I'm really curious to know.
Gregg |
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| Posted by Rich Woods on 19-Oct-2003 02:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 171 (TheArrogantSarny):
Posted by TheArrogantSarny (81.174.207.98) on 18-Oct-2003 21:43:19
In Reply to Comment 169:
> Amigaworld is a Amiga OS4.0/AmigaOne site. It's run by AmigaONe lovers.
> It's just the vast majority of users are Amiga users. Go figure ;-)
And the problem? ;-P
I was paraphrasing your previous comment. I see it went WAY over your head.
So when are you going to post the OFFICIAL court documents? |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 177 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 19-Oct-2003 02:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 174 (AmigaGuy):
Posted by AmigaGuy (12.212.43.140) on 18-Oct-2003 22:48:42
In Reply to Comment 65:
>they should all be behind bars for a long time
Shut the EFF up. Child molesters go free in this country because there is not enough room for all the criminals.
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What do child molesters have to do with Amiga?
You MorphOS guys spread all your crap all you want. Do you really think people besides yourselves believe Amiga Inc tried to screw a few people out of $50 with the promise of a T-Shirt because they thought they'd get rich. They suck at running a company so those 'evil' bastards should rot in hell?? Grow up.
Actually it was around 1300 or so people they screwed out of the $50.
They didn't think they'd get rich - they needed money for their rent - and were locked out several days later after the 2002 Amiwest show.
Get rich - hell all they need is about 3 million now to be in the black again- mere bag of shells.
rot in hell - well they did committ criminal acts in not paying their employees their wages. See WA state law - you're smart enough to be able to look it up - or read it in the court documents. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 178 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Tigger on 19-Oct-2003 04:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 163 (TheArrogantSarny):
>>>>
> Amiga is 2.2 million in the hole - any income will be
> liened upon to collect the judgements owed. Amiga would need at least 3
> million - to break even.
I'm still wondering where this 2.2 million figure has come from
>>>>
Bill McEwens depostion as part of the Thendic lawsuit, its part of the public record, the interesting thing is that McEwens number (2.2 million) is low to anyone with a calculator and a list of the creditors. In the same deposition, Bill McEwen says that Amiga Inc only has 100 dollars in the bank.
-Tig
-Tig |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 179 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Tigger on 19-Oct-2003 05:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (EyeAm):
>>>>
I don't believe anything was done under false pretenses.
>>>>
In June of 2002, the $50 coupon idea was launched, at that time, they were way behind in rent, had not paid any employees for over a month, had let several employees (among them Bolten) go without there backpay, and were about to be or had been thrown out of their offices. I'm sorry but a company that cant pay rent, employees or utilites, should not be selling coupons for a product they aren't actually making that won't be done for well over a year (16 months now and counting). And where is that 65K now?? Apparently not in the bank, they only have $100 there according to Bill McEwens testimony under oath.
>>>>
But the court case(s) decide, ultimately. Didn't they have 9 since 2001? Haven't heard much about the other 7 (I only know of two, specifically). Did they not win the others?
>>>>
Thendic is the 9th is my count. Two with the renter, the first dismissed WITHOUT prejudice after Amiga Inc gave them money, they second led to the infamous auction in June. Three suits by the state of Washington over taxes, guess who won those. One by Airborne Express, one by Bolten Peck, one by Matt Fontenot, guess who went 0-3 with perfect non attendance???
>>>>
>McEwen, Moss, Peake, Akey should all be behind bars doing serious time
>instead of being made out to be some sort of great people.
No, they shouldn't. And they will not be.
>>>>
I'm sorry Eyeam, but in my state McEwen would be in jail for cancelling the health care of his employees without notice, its a felony here, he'd be Bubbas girlfriend right now. The sCAM is still likely to get them in trouble, they dont have the resources to pay the 65K in rebates from it, much less the 70K worth of rebates they own the Party Pack gang. Revenue from Amiga One/Amiga OS 4 doesnt even cover the rebates they owe most of their potential customers. I am fairly sure that Hyperion is not planning on distributing 2000 free copies of OS 4, but thats what is currently owed to current customers of Amiga Inc, someone is going to have to pay for them.
-Tig |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 180 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by EyeAm on 19-Oct-2003 05:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 179 (Tigger):
Just wait.
You're going to see a miracle.
--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 181 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by EyeAm on 19-Oct-2003 05:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 179 (Tigger):
Just wait.
You're going to see a miracle.
--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 182 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 06:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 169 (Rich Woods):
"Amiga.org is a MorphOS site. It's run by MorphOS lovers. "
That's not how it looks to me. I think Kees is trying hard to keep a balance. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 183 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 06:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 178 (Tigger):
"In the same deposition, Bill McEwen says that Amiga Inc only has 100 dollars in the bank."
In the checking account. He does not say how much credit is allowed or whether there are other funds elsewhere. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 184 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rich Woods on 19-Oct-2003 06:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 183 (Don Cox):
Posted by Don Cox (Trusted user) on 19-Oct-2003 08:13:03
In Reply to Comment 178:
"In the same deposition, Bill McEwen says that Amiga Inc only has 100 dollars in the bank."
In the checking account. He does not say how much credit is allowed or whether there are other funds elsewhere.
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If you want to know the D&B reeport at approx this time frame - send me an e-mail with your address and I'll send it.
Their credit was $7.500. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 185 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 06:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 184 (Rich Woods):
"Their credit was $7.500."
Highly likely.
My point is that you need to examine very closely exactly what somebody says in a deposition. It may be "true" but deliberately misleading.
Bill says "we have $100 in our checking account" and everyone reads this as "we have $100". |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 186 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Oct-2003 07:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 179 (Tigger):
"... its a felony here, he'd be Bubbas girlfriend right now."
haha thanks Tigger. That one cheered me up on this miserable and boring sunday morning =)
Bubbas girlfriend... =) |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 187 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 08:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 172 (smithy):
"I guessed that most companies have them, especially in call centres, but if you're working a team-oriented organisation that doesn't involve being on the phone all day, there is no need to prevent people from communicating. "
Wouldn't that be done better by giving each person a separate office big enough for visitors?
I don't see how you could code well with people walking and talking all around you. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 188 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 19-Oct-2003 10:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 187 (Don Cox):
@Don Cox
> Wouldn't that be done better by giving each person a separate office
> big enough for visitors?
Not necessarily, and certainly not remotely practical.
> I don't see how you could code well with people walking and talking all
> around you.
Actually, this works quite well, specially when you're part of a team. Exchange of ideas, instant feedback and all that. Besides, it's not a huge problem writing code and talking at the same time. It's better than being locked away on your own for weeks on end. I've experienced both, and I'd say the open environment is more productive by far. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 189 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 10:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 188 (Bill Hoggett):
This looks like a good working environment:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BionicOffice.html |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 190 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christian Kemp on 19-Oct-2003 10:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 188 (Bill Hoggett):
> I've experienced both, and I'd say the open environment is more productive by
> far.
Depends on the coworkers, I'd say. In the past months, I had one coworker snoring on the left side, and another coughing his lungs out on the right side. You might be able guess what my take on such an "open environment" is under such conditions. ;) |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 191 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christian Kemp on 19-Oct-2003 10:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 189 (Don Cox):
> This looks like a good working environment:
> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BionicOffice.html
I read that one the day it was posted, and almost couldn't contain my envy. :)
Unfortunately, only few employers realize that creating a positive work environment is a first step in having happy employees, and getting work done. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 192 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Chris H on 19-Oct-2003 10:57 GMT | As a fairly happy Amiga user, I normally don't bother to read all this cr*p, but
for some reason I decided to waste an hour or so on it today. And I have to say
that I am fairly appalled by the amount of childish 'discussion'. The "Amiga
community" would be a lot better off without all of this; but I suppose this is
what happens when a large fraction of the Amiga users left are just fanatics...
Kind of a distillation of those who did (and do still?) frequent the
comp.sys.amiga.misc newsgroup.
I came to the conclusion long ago to get on with life & wait to see what the
actual results are (e.g. a new Amiga OS or the Amiga company fails again...).
There's simply no point in getting worked-up about something that I can't
affect. And I would tend to be skeptical of anyone who strongly favours either
side (Amiga or Genesi), and unhappily see that more people are falling into this
category. What is left of the "Amiga community" may come to seem like the
crusty mouldy dregs of a barrel left in the cellar. :-(
Now, having explained my general stance, I'm going to briefly give my view of
the current situation, which falls between both stupid fanatic extremes. As
such, I am opening myself up to accusations (from BOTH sides!) of really
favouring one side or the other. Thats sadly unavoidable in the current
unfriendly atmosphere, and I can only hope that it has a small positive effect
too. If the Amiga isn't already a commercial zombie, then Genesi & Amiga Inc
are truely the last chances it has... (AROS could be fun but no way commercial)
Bill Buck has already openly admitted he uses controversiality as a marketing
tactic (presumably "any news is good news"), which wouldn't be so bad if he
didn't take it to the extreme of encouraging FUD against Amiga Inc. As such, I
think he can be fairly blamed for "stirring shit" (even if by proxy) more than
anyone else. So don't blame me for not personally trusting him enough to buy a
Pegasos or MorphOS from his company; and before you flame me:
The Pegasos itself seems like a decent piece of hardware, being basically
similar enough to the AmigaOne to not matter, except to fanatics. If there were
serious flaws in either, then the majority of users would be up in arms, which
is clearly not the case.
MorphOS certainly has the *promise* of being a reasonable "Next Gen Amiga OS",
but from the reviews I read in Total Amiga (and a brief hands-on try of 1.3) it
seems that it has a LONG way to go before it is either functionally complete OR
stable. Genesi seem to have taken the tactic of getting SOMETHING out the door,
even if it is at best very Beta quality, in the hopes of getting press coverage
& early adopters; indeed, this may have been their only realistic hope of
beating OS4. The problem I see is that Genesi *fans* often claim it is complete
& stable enough to use as your *only* desktop computer, when clearly only a
fanatic would use it in it's current state.
I fully expect MorphOS to reach a properly functional & stable state eventually,
it is just they have made an aweful lot of work in deciding to recreate the
Amiga OS from scratch, so it will take time. And I see that as the problem for
MorphOS: Whatever a few fanatics say, it is clear that AmigaOS4 is very close
to being ready for release (most likely this year), in a fully functional &
(fairly) stable state. If the commercial race is decided by who releases a
"commercial quality" Next Gen OS first, then Amiga Inc will probably win (even
if they haven't actually done the development themselves).
No doubt it'll be claimed I'm a Genesi-hater because of just saying the truth &
a little opinion. I can't help that. Amiga Inc certainly have some of their
own problems to answer for (e.g. the SDK, $50 T-Shirt, and development delays),
but to me these seem fairly small, and forgiveable in the bad economic climate.
Yes, I did buy the $50 coupon, but apart from the missing t-shirt, I am getting
what I payed for (the monthly Club Amiga Magazine), at least until I (can) buy
OS4 & qualify for a $50 refund.
What about Mr Peck & co's claims against Amiga Inc? The problem here is that we
only have rabid Genesi fanatic(s) giving us the "facts", and even *if* they are
all true, they are most certainly only half the story. I expect that in many
cases there will be mitigating circumstances, which while not always excusing
Amiga Inc, they will at least show Fleecy/etc to simply be human beings who made
mistakes & did the best they could given those mistakes.
In the end, Amiga Inc took the hard decision to not publically defend
themselves, because that just fuelled the fire of Genesi's
controvertial-orientated marketing strategy. Just like Genesi's strategy, Amiga
Inc's has a down side, and in this case it is that some fanatics manage to
convince themselves that Genesi are all goodness & light, while Amiga Inc are
totally evil & full of deciet.
In summary, both companies (will eventualy) have good products, but they have
very different circumstances & so are using very different strategies to gain
users. I personally dislike Bill Buck's strategy, and so won't be buying a
Pegasos, but that does NOT automatically make me Fleecy's bl*w-j*b partner.
In summary of the summary, there's little reason to be fighting, just wait for
your respective company to release something (or go bust! :-), and if you are
really enlightened then you'll also be able to appreciate some aspects of the
other company's products, and not feel a need to wage holy war.
BTW, I am using Amithlon until a viable Next Gen Amiga OS is released & has
proven itself. So I won't be buying A1/OS4 until I read some good reviews. |
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| Posted by Rob on 19-Oct-2003 10:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (smithy):
And Amiga survive too. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 194 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 19-Oct-2003 12:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 153 (Troels E):
Posted by Troels E (80.62.224.221) on 18-Oct-2003 17:38:28
In Reply to Comment 29:
@Hooligan
But you're also one sad individual..
Apparantly fucked up just like Richieboy....
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I have never hidden how fucked up I am on my mind. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 195 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Tigger on 19-Oct-2003 14:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 183 (Don Cox):
>>>>
In the checking account. He does not say how much credit is allowed or whether there are other funds elsewhere.
>>>>
Don,
I know you have said this several times, BUT, that is not what he says, read the transcript, there is no mention of checking account. What is Amiga Incs current bank account balance?? "about $100" is Bills response for that question. There is no Checking account modifier, and surely even Bill is smart enough to not be lying about bank accounts in a federal court.
-Tig |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 196 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Chris H on 19-Oct-2003 15:19 GMT | Hmmm, just a further though to my comment in 192:
If I come across as defending Amiga Inc too much, well, it's difficult to defend
Genesi when there's very few bad accusations being made in public all the time
about them. You can see that as good or bad for Genesi: Either Amiga Inc
aren't stooping to their level in the FUD war, or Genesi simply aren't having
such a hard time financially (which is the root cause of AI's problems). Most
likely it's both, but anyway, since we simply don't know anything like all the
facts, there's no point speculating (let alone getting emotional about it).
Oh, and apart from my statement that Bill Buck is "stirring shit", I think
everything I've said is fairly obvious fact (excepting anything thats clearly
stated as opinion). If someone wishes to pick a particular point as being
untrue, I'd be happy to give a brief rebuttal, but don't expect me to get into a
protracted argument/flame because I find that tedious (and unproductive).
Also, when I said Mr Peck & co's claims, I didn't express myself very well; I
also meant to include the stuff being published about the current legal battle
(which is supposedly this thread's topic). And presumably Mr Peck himself isn't
actually a Genesi fanatic, what I really meant to say was Anti-Amiga fanatic. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 197 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Tigger on 19-Oct-2003 17:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 192 (Chris H):
>>>>
MorphOS certainly has the *promise* of being a reasonable "Next Gen Amiga OS",
but from the reviews I read in Total Amiga (and a brief hands-on try of 1.3) it
seems that it has a LONG way to go before it is either functionally complete OR
stable. Genesi seem to have taken the tactic of getting SOMETHING out the door,
even if it is at best very Beta quality, in the hopes of getting press coverage
& early adopters; indeed, this may have been their only realistic hope of
beating OS4. The problem I see is that Genesi *fans* often claim it is complete
& stable enough to use as your *only* desktop computer, when clearly only a
fanatic would use it in it's current state.
>>>>
I'm sorry, I am going to have disagree strongly, at Amiwest we all had a chance to see MorphOS vs OS 4.0, the Hyperion effort was not the most advanced, the most completed (obviously) and definitely not the most stable.
>>>>
it is clear that AmigaOS4 is very close
to being ready for release (most likely this year), in a fully functional &
(fairly) stable state. If the commercial race is decided by who releases a
"commercial quality" Next Gen OS first, then Amiga Inc will probably win (even
if they haven't actually done the development themselves).
>>>>
I covered all bets when it was said it would ship last yearby Xmas, then by March, by June, by August, I'm covering it now being ready to ship for Amiga One by December 31st is you want to get in on the action, might as well let you guys pay for my Christmas presents like many of you did last year.
>>>>
I am getting
what I payed for (the monthly Club Amiga Magazine), at least until I (can) buy
OS4 & qualify for a $50 refund.
>>>>
First of all the majority joined before the CAM was even offered, so they have gotten nothing, secondly many (3 in my user group alone) have bought Amiga Ones and not received their rebates, which is strange since they have paid for an AmigaOne and OS4 and yet havent gotten a rebate though at least one of them has asked for it for over 6 months now.
>>>>
What about Mr Peck & co's claims against Amiga Inc? The problem here is that we
only have rabid Genesi fanatic(s) giving us the "facts", and even *if* they are
all true, they are most certainly only half the story. I expect that in many
cases there will be mitigating circumstances, which while not always excusing
Amiga Inc, they will at least show Fleecy/etc to simply be human beings who made
mistakes & did the best they could given those mistakes.
>>>>
Its all the court records, how can it be half the facts?? Court documents from both sides of the Bolten Peck case, the Matthew Fontenot case, the Thendic case, etc have been provided. Bolten won because Bill knew he had no case and didnt show up at court, Matt won for the same reason, Bill admits both of them won in his deposition. Its becoming very scary the amount of spin that Barry is doing on you guys to have the official court documents be "half the facts" from the Genesi side. How are the documents from Amiga Inc lawyers Genesi propoganda, how is Bill McEwens own deposition genesi propoganda?? If you dont believe the documents are accurate, feel free to get your own copies from the court house, they are readily available. Believing Barrys world view of the situation is pretty scary for 15 months now, Bill McEwen has told judges, lawyers and creditors that the next round of funding is happening this month, so far it hasnt happened at all, they've just built up larger debts.
>>>>
while Amiga Inc are totally evil & full of deciet.
>>>>
No, actually Bill's an ok guy, though he recent posts make me worry about his sanity, Fleecy is an absolute idiot, but anyone who has talked to him longer then 20 minutes can figure that out. Ask anyone who was at the developer meeting in 2000 and they will tell you why hes nicknamed the sheeplord.
>>>>
In summary, both companies (will eventualy) have good products, but they have
very different circumstances & so are using very different strategies to gain
users. I personally dislike Bill Buck's strategy, and so won't be buying a
Pegasos, but that does NOT automatically make me Fleecy's bl*w-j*b partner.
>>>>>
I dont think you are a sheep, so we know you arent doing any of that with Fleecy, just dont put on a sheep costume if he asks you too. I dont think Amiga Inc will ever have a good product, frankly they aren't working on any now. Hyperion is working on an OS, Eyetech has a distributership for the MAI boards. Amiga Inc has nothing to do with that, and with $100 in the bank, and millions in debt isnt likely to move forward any time soon. They owe a minimum of 17 months of back pay to there current "employees", most of which obviously isnt figured into Bills 2.2 million in debt.
-Tig |
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| Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 17:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 192 (Chris H):
"As a fairly happy Amiga user, I normally don't bother to read all this cr*p, but for some reason I decided to waste an hour or so on it today."
If you start by insulting everyone else here, you can't expect anyone to read the rest of your rant. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 199 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 19-Oct-2003 17:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 195 (Tigger):
"I know you have said this several times, BUT, that is not what he says, read the transcript, there is no mention of checking account. What is Amiga Incs current bank account balance?? "about $100" is Bills response for that question. There is no Checking account modifier, and surely even Bill is smart enough to not be lying about bank accounts in a federal court."
Maybe this is a language issue. I have a current account plus a couple of deposit accounts. I think "current account" is the same as a "checking account" - the one you use for day-to-day operation as opposed to savings or reserves. |
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| Thendic-Amiga Lawsuit - Amiga Wins Trial Delay Until March 1, 2004! GOOD NEWS FOR AMIGA! : Comment 200 of 215 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by EyeAm on 19-Oct-2003 17:36 GMT | Although this is the PPC series, read again the Feature Set for AMIGA OS 4.0, which should be out before March 2004.
http://os.amiga.com/os4/features.pdf
--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us |
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