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[News] Report on DCE RepairsANN.lu
Posted on 20-Oct-2003 16:15 GMT by Kees66 comments
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On Amiga.org you can find a status report on the DCE repairs.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 1 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Oct-2003 15:00 GMT
Good news to those that have outstanding repairs, hopefully we can up this whole saga behind us.

Good job Ron!

Cheers
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 2 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Oct-2003 15:05 GMT
Very nice news!

Allthogh Genesi has no obligations whatsoever for DCE's doings, they have now put down a great deal of effort to resolve this "situation". They have researched what happened, they have traced boards, they have repaired and sent back boards, and they will build new boards to replace the ones that can not be repaired. Top that with a special version of MorphOS for the classic PPC boards. I mean, wow!
:-)

Someone at amiga.org compared this announcement to the Berlin wall coming down, and in some way I agree. For some reason, Genesi got some blame(!) for those missing boards in a twisted way. I don't really know why, perhaps it was because Genesi uses the DCE facilities to manufacture the Pegasos? Anyway, noone could really expect Genesi to do *anything* about this (since it really wasn't their business), but instead they now have done *everything* to fix this, they have done so much more than anyone could have expected.

Now noone can make those mockery comments anymore, where they in some way connected Genesi and their products with the "DCE situation". Now it's the other way around really. Many people will have a lot to thank Genesi for now ...
:-)
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 3 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Oct-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
I think a lot of bitterness was caused by people trying to deny that it ever
happenned in the first place.

Good to see that the vigorous campaigning by those guys has paid off.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 4 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Oct-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
>Now noone can make those mockery comments anymore, where they in some way connected Genesi and their products with the "DCE situation".

Wanna bet? :)

Just continue reading the thread :)
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 5 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Oct-2003 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (DaveP):
Well, Genesi had nothing to do with this problem in the first place, but still they put down the effort to help those people. That was surely nice of them, don't you think?
;-)
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 6 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Oct-2003 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
Well, if you look it at, it was in their own intrest aswell that this would come to a resolution, but still, the idea of Ron running about with a magnifying glass & pipe comes to mind ;)

Cheers
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 7 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Oct-2003 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (takemehomegrandma):
What I think of that is immaterial. Genesi shot to prominence after they merged with BPlan
whom a lot of people assotiated with the preorder issue. Then when the Pegasos
was announced as being produced in the DCE production line "manned by BPlan staff"
during the "Teron boards are manufactured in the far east evil evil evil" saga
people pointed out this was the same DCE that was not returning boards "evil evil evil".

If I recall the events correctly people asked for "put up or shut up" on the non returned
boards and Bill Buck said he would personally resolve any customer issues ( or try to )
but had not heard of an issue with DCE that was verified.

Much hay was made of the fact that no one contacted Bill ( the implication that
it was all an evil plot to discredit DCE ), but then as time wore on more
people who had "lost" their boards came to the fore and were pointed at Genesi ( I remember
pointing someone to Genesi myself ).

Thats what my memory tells me.

My view? I don't really care about assigning heroism or altruism stars in this
mess. I'm not so sure anyone comes out too well.

I'm glad for users that get boards back from DCE but
I don't think it should have gotton this far, it sayes nothing positive for the people
that manufacture the Pegasos boards and I have to say it doesn't fill me with warm feelings
about buying a Peg2, having a problem and returning it although I suspect Bill is
too publicity savvy to let a situation like this develop, /I/ still have DCE is a big
alarm bell against investing in the Pegasos product - that is until the manufacturing facility
is moved or changed to another subcontractor.

So all good to Bill Buck for following through when he called the bluff and found out
it wasn't a bluff.

If the owners of the missing boards feel happy and vindicated, then great, good PR
for Genesi and Bill Buck. If they don't, well, nothing is changed I guess.

So back to me, you have read my current opinion, but again I point out to you that
what I think on the subject is immaterial, I was never angry about it in the first
place.

I don't think you are going to like what I have written, and feel free to point out
any innaccuracies or contradictions, but that is immaterial too.

Dave.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 8 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 20-Oct-2003 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
@hooligan

Point prooved ......
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 9 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 20-Oct-2003 17:07 GMT
I not one to start a flame-fest or anything like that, but I'd like to point out that when someone buys another company out then they become responsible for any pre-existing problems that the company has.

While I think it is excellent news that the sistuation is finally being resolved and that full credit should go to the Gensei personnel responsible for achieving this, remember that this is also the responsibility of Gensei to correct this sorry situation.

It should also provide them with some excellent PR value plus restore some faith in others who would otherwise have never let an ex-DCE employee anywhere near their hardware.

Well done. I just hope that "unavoidable delays" don't surface that prevent this statement from becoming a reality.

I'd also like to know who this company was that was receieving it's customers' repaired boards back and then selling them as new to other customers instead of returning them to their rightful owners. I'd hate to have to do business with them!!!
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 10 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Oct-2003 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
I agree with you that DCE did not handle this in an acceptable manner (it also seems like some of the problems was out of DCE's control). But what's done is done, and now it seems like all this will come to a (happy!) end. And DCE will apparently not make any more products for the Amiga market, so ...

When it comes to *Genesi*, and their Pegasos products, I must point you to their fine track record of handling any troubles. They replaced the whole first run of Pegasos motherboards free of charge, they made two expensive hardware fixes without raising the price for end-users, and most recently they have made a very reasonable trade-in offer to a new board that we customers may choose to utilize if we want to. Genesi have allways been honest and open about the problems *on the way*, which is only possible if you are prepared to put down all the resources needed in order to get things right *in the end*.

But then again, Genesi is not DCE ...
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 11 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 20-Oct-2003 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Darrin):
> I not one to start a flame-fest or anything like that, but I'd like to point out
> that when someone buys another company out then they become responsible for any
> pre-existing problems that the company has.

Did Genesi buy DCE, or do they just use DCE's services?
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 12 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 20-Oct-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (T_Bone):
IIRC the latter

Cheers
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 13 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Oct-2003 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Kronos):
Perhaps if we all clubbed together we could buy you some new glasses.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 14 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Oct-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (DaveP):
The most telling thing is that this New Item won't appear on the Amigaworld.net site :-D
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 15 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 20-Oct-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (T_Bone):
Genesi never bought DCE.
Genesi produces the Pegasos at DCE, like Eyetech was producing the predator and the first Amigaones prototypes at DCE.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 16 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 20-Oct-2003 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (takemehomegrandma):
"When it comes to *Genesi*, and their Pegasos products,
I must point you to their fine track record of handling any troubles."

Well I won't dispute that :-)

But again you allude to another troubling point
about resources to repair. Due to the situation with Mai Genesi has been left
high and dry with respect to sourcing ArticiaS replacements ( if that ever becomes
a possibility ) so I wonder if they would have to replace with a Peg2 or something
like that if the 600 upgrades they are looking for do not all happen ( IIRC
the traded in boards are sold on as is ) and if a greater number of Peg1s are left
in the field than the have spares for.

However this is also down to the flexibility of the userbase that owns Pegasos boards
in the first place, if they don't have a problem with it or never hit an issue
all well and good, if they do I suspect ( looking at the Amiga market ) they are
more than willing to be flexible about upgrading to a Peg 2 rather than kick
of a forum fuss.

OBVIOUSLY (in caps here for Kronos to notice ) THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO PEGASOS 2
WHEN IT IS MANUFACTURED.

I hope we can continue to debate this in this reasonable and interesting fashion
without the denizens trying to tug it into a flamewar :-)

Dave.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 17 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 20-Oct-2003 17:32 GMT
well, I am surprised and its good news, that people will eventually get their boards returned and repaired.

I don't think DCE is coming off as the hero here....its too late to fix their reputation, but on the other hand, DCE isn't the company anyone's worried about, its genesi.

Genesi does do some things right, good pricing on the motherboards, and now getting the DCE mess untangled, and looks like some good moves on the MorphOS front too.

on the otherhand MorphOS is still a closed system with a future tightly integrated with the fortunes of one company, and I still cannot believe this love affair with Mac OS X.

Anyway, on topic again, this is certainly great news.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 18 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Oct-2003 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (MarkTime):
Pegasos != MorphOS

The Pegasos is a well priced, good spec PPC MOBO for those who really can't stand the x86.

I, for one, am keen to have a Peg2 running AROS :-)
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 19 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 20-Oct-2003 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Christophe Decanini):
>Genesi never bought DCE. Genesi produces the Pegasos at DCE, like Eyetech was
>producing the predator and the first Amigaones prototypes at DCE.

Thanks for that correction. I was under the impression that they had bought out DCE.

That's extremely nice of Gensei then, however it means that DCE are still under their own "control". I think we'd all have preferred to know they were under a different management.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 20 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Oct-2003 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (DaveP):
I have not a clue about the amount of spare parts Genesi is keeping in stock. Do you have any numbers yourself? Nah, more important: Who Cares?

In general, as long as I as a customer can get a broken product fixed, or replaced with a similar or better product, then it's all fine! And when it comes to Genesi (and my own personal point of view), their obvious commitment to customer satisfaction as well as their track record, makes me feel quite calm and secure as a customer ...
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 21 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 20-Oct-2003 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Darrin):
DCE is an electronics production & reparation center.
DCE did not manage to handle properly the after sales services directly with the end users.
As soon as they realized this fact they went through Vesalia who handled it well (whenever possible). It was better for DCE to have a single contact.

To be effective DCE needs to have a customer ordering a production run or the repair of several boards at once etc.

For the Pegasos the end user will deal first with his reseller (or Genesi in case of a direct sale). The reseller may be able to exchange a board immediately if he has some in stock. The reseller deals with Genesi, Genesi deals with DCE.
If it happens that Genesi has a problem with DCE they may produce and repair somewhere else but sofar so good ...

Ron did a great job sorting up this mess, Genesi did a good job choosing Ron to handle this mess.
I don't get Dave negative spin. When someone whine against people trolling, he should stop trolling first. If it would happen the community would be in better shape.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 22 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by John on 20-Oct-2003 18:51 GMT
Genesi has yet again put a good spin on a bad situation, plus as a bonus they have not stolen from Amiga users which should go in their favour but it dont.

The more you steal from Amiga users the better respect your company gets.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 23 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 20-Oct-2003 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (John):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The more you steal from Amiga users the better respect your company gets.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

It certainly seems that way. :-/
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 24 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2003 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
Slime slime... >:-)
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 25 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 20-Oct-2003 23:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Matt Parsons):
> The most telling thing is that this New Item won't appear on the Amigaworld.net site :-D

As the quasi-official AmigaOne site, they won't allow any news on the site the might reflect positively on Genesi, even if it means visitors to the site get a subset of Amiga-platform news. Their choice.

-- gary_c
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 26 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2003 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
Just wait til they recall those bricks due to asbestos
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 27 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Oct-2003 23:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (John):
What? They take preorders on production for their boards...
That must get them some respect.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 28 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 20-Oct-2003 23:51 GMT
History is an important thing!!!

What it is exacatly here I do not know. But since it has been raised I take it in sum with what all else I do know.

I make no mistake that Genesi and all under it does in fact generate a level of hype and illusion of such quality that it can again lead people down the wrong path. One of going so far and then shit hitting the fan in another massive screw job.

I'm not saying it will happen, but what I an saying is that the depth of complexity of the history causes at least a waring flag to go up.

The bottom line consideration is in regards to PPC Hardware, it's hardware support and warranty as well as its usability in teh event of Genesi failure.

To see past the well designed hype and illusions to get to the hard reality of what you are getting into, should you so decide.

I can still turn on My A4000 and run the software I have for it and can still get.

It does appear that Genesi is working on good will..... but what does history really say? what sort of transactions are going on that the general public is not aware of?

Its not a matter of beinmg parinoid, but a matter of experience and even recent exposures.

if you want genesi to be successful and lasting than it is not only your right to insist on them being on the up and up, but your duty to assume all benefits of doubts have already been spent, that there are none left to give.

problem is, alot is hidden and what you don't know, .... out of sight, out of mind....
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 29 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 21-Oct-2003 02:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (3seas):
Dude! Guys, you hafta try this! Get stoned and then read a moderately-sized Timothy and Rue post. I've just tried now this my first time ever done this stuff turned on old genesis "selling england by the pound" and reading Rues last post and just sat there thinking about it (well except for right now I'm writing this, but still.
Well going to fire up some oldschool mods and demos this is really cool.chillin, like mangellan! like that commercial with those dr scholl foot pad, insert things when he gets hit by that car on tv. (you europeans probably wont know what I'm talking about unless you get US commercials, but we won't get into that.
"just a pool of tears" lyrics from that genesis song on right now, kinda applies to the Amiga if you think about it. Genesis old songs,Amiga, and Tim Rue and I'm set for the night.
One thing this stuff does I notice is that you'll be listening to loud music, and then you start wondering if its too loud, and if it is you think it might only seem to be too loud because your stoned. Then you think well maybe you only think you need to overcompensate your estimation of the volume, and its really just not loud and your not stoned as much as you think, you know? so i turned it down and wonder if its loud again? You really cant tell again on less you go through the above process once again.
Anyway back to Tim, some things really are an illusion, but even illusions can be good if the illusion is somewhat representative of how things really are, because if the illusion is just a mirror of reality, then you havent really been fooled by he illusion, so no false advertising took place.
But what if the illusion is better than the reality is hiding? THEN it's false advertising, and people are wronged. but the other way around, if the reality is better than the illusion, then you get better value cause you entered into the deal with only the illusion offered, but you get the reality which is better so you came out ahead. How to tell when one o the above is happening? That's the question.

You know why people smoke this stuff? because all the pains an scars left on your soul seem to ease up and fade out leaving your beauty to shine through. haven't felt like this since I was 15, when the future seemed warm and fuzzy, then you get old (30) and realize it was the past that was warm and fuzzy, and the farthur you get from it the farther you are from those times. If only you knew that when you were young you could have enjoyed it.
Ill probably never get to do this again, other people do it all the time but id be afraid to try to buy it, and wouldn't know how or where to get this stuff anyway, so this is probably my first and last time ever smoking this.
Now even the pipes are illegal here, so it's not looking like it'l ever be legal anyway, so as thngs are probably never be able to smoke again, but I'll remember this one time anyway.
You guys really should lighten up on the Red side though, Amiga screwed up, they messed up bigtime, but alot of the community want that ship to float and invested money into that deal, so these people have an interest. Nothing wrong with blue side either, these are the movers and shakers that couldn't wait. discrminating against blue is discriminating against the cream of the crop of all the users and developers who couldn't wait. If you dont move the platform, the users will move it for you, and possibly in a direction away from you, like the way some have moved from the Amiga. Can you, once that happened try to catch up and push the platform back to where the users moved it? possibly, but you first have to make sure that you are moving it in thir direction!

Aros is so freaking impressive, major impressive that they dont get NEARLY the credit they deserve! Aros is free, and everyone can run it! this is our best chance to bring Amiga to critical mass, as theres NO hardware or software needed! every windows user can use it!
hate the aros Cat logo. like the Sont-style logo. thats neat.
If aros had tcpip i Would try and get IRC and Q2 rockin on it, that'd be sweet!
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 30 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 21-Oct-2003 04:49 GMT
It's amazing how people can put negative spin on good works.

Free MorphOS for Classic Amigas. How could this be bad?!

Genesi works with DCE to sort out DCE's (NOT Genesi's) outstanding obligations. How is this bad?!

DCE is no longer directly handling support. How is this bad?!

Geez you people, can we PLEASE hear three cheers for Ron van Herk?

hip hip,

hip hip,

hip hip,
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 31 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Oct-2003 04:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Christophe Decanini):
@Christophe

"I don't get Dave negative spin. When someone whine against people trolling, he should stop trolling first. If it would happen the community would be in better shape"

Well that is just charming. What negative spin? Someone asks for an explanation
of how Genesi could be seen by those who hate DCE as in the same boat so I explain
it for you.

Another one who needs better reading glasses.

Dave.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 32 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 21-Oct-2003 04:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (takemehomegrandma):
@tmhg

I have a clue, and they don't have many spare working Articia-S. Neko has said
so.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 33 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by krize on 21-Oct-2003 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anon):
Hehe nice post man ... :)

you have a very good point when you say that people in this community should loosen up, and try to relax ..
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 34 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 05:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Darrin):
"I not one to start a flame-fest or anything like that, but I'd like to point out that when someone buys another company out then they become responsible for any pre-existing problems that the company has. "

And what, dear little troll, does that have to do with the topic at hand?

BIG CLUE - Genesi have NOT bought DCE. Ergo your trolling is, as usual, completely irrelevant.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 35 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anon):
Ah, yes...a typical write-flash, hehe. >But what if the illusion is better than the reality is hiding? THEN it's false>advertising, and people are wronged. Ah, you must mean the "OS4 is ready in February" illusion, the dual-G4 Pega illuson etc. ;) >but the other way around, if the reality is better than the illusion, then you>get better value cause you entered into the deal with only the illusion offered,>but you get the reality which is better so you came out ahead. Yes, that's always a very nice surprise, but much more rare than the other way.I see the Genesi free T-shirts, the Superbundle and the 933MHz AOne-G4 here. >Ill probably never get to do this again, other people do it all the time but id>be afraid to try to buy it, and wouldn't know how or where to get this stuff>anyway, so this is probably my first and last time ever smoking this. Just join us friendly Amigans at the next Amiga/Pegasos Benelux Show. ;) >Aros is free, and everyone can run it! Sure, but what can run on AROS? :) >theres NO hardware or software needed! every windows user can use it! Beg your pardon? You like to run it on hot air or what?
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 36 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 21-Oct-2003 06:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (DaveP):
DaveP wrote:

> Well that is just charming. What negative spin?

What you implied with this kind of comment from further up the thread: "My view? I don't really care about assigning heroism or altruism stars in this mess. I'm not so sure anyone comes out too well."

How could Genesi *not* be coming out of this well, as itemized already here? Maybe what you're doing is so much "negative spin" as simply not acknowledging something positive for, perhaps, some reason of your own? Why do you resist giving credit where it is due?

-- gary_c
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 37 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 21-Oct-2003 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (gary_c):
Oops. That should be "Maybe what you're doing is *not* so much "negative spin" as simply not acknowledging something positive. . . .

-- gary_c
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 38 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by ikir_the_spirit_of_dual_pijama on 21-Oct-2003 06:48 GMT
A friend of mine has sent in the past a BlizzardPPC+Ram to DCE for repair. After a year, he received the blizzad card back without ppc cpu and without ram.

Any plan for this thing? DCE really sucks, instead nice point for Genesi.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 39 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 21-Oct-2003 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (gary_c):
Still no sign of this *IMPORTANT* news showing up on Amigaworld.net ;-)

I feel sorry for Amigaworld users who have sent their cards to DEC and now won't know about Genesi working on thier behalf... maybe there are some users who would rather not see their card again than have Genesi help them...
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 40 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 21-Oct-2003 08:34 GMT
>Genesi Gesture
>As a gesture from Genesi, there will be a new release of MorphOS for 'classic >Amiga' PowerPC cards available for free. The planned release is at the end of >this year.

I thought this was always the case. There are several people on ann.lu who claim that they are running 1.4 (or was it 1.3) MorphOS on their powerUP cards throughout the summer. Certainly the last I've seen is the 0.4b that was a long long time ago.

Certainly, for public Betatesting there would have been a lot more bugs checked and squashed if all the PowerUP people could have run more recent versions!


anyway. this was a very nice bit of info (the whole text) probably better to
read/view than the recent PegII pictures/info 8-)

Alan
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 41 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie on 21-Oct-2003 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Matt Parsons):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=930

You were saying ;P
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 42 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 21-Oct-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (gary_c):
> As the quasi-official AmigaOne site, they won't allow any news on the site
> the might reflect positively on Genesi, even if it means visitors to the
> site get a subset of Amiga-platform news. Their choice.

But these returned PPC cards are used in classic Amigas and would likely run OS4 :-? Surely this is classic Amiga news:-?
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 43 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 21-Oct-2003 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (redrumloa):
Yes - which is preciscely why I posted it on "that" site.

And guess what - it got moderated up to news by one of the moderators?! So I guess that puts yours, Matt's and Gary's quasi-silly comments way off target then?

;-)

Ian
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 44 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 21-Oct-2003 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (IanS):
Or maybe I was just baiting the news ;)
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 45 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 21-Oct-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (IanS):
@Ian

I didn't badmouth AW.net, I was just responding to a post here. I think this IS Amiga news and I'm glad to see it being picked up.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 46 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 21-Oct-2003 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Matt Parsons):
Side nte, notice Genesi doesn't get a mention in the news Item :D

HAhahahaha, this is fun!!!
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 47 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Gru on 21-Oct-2003 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Matt Parsons):
>Side nte, notice Genesi doesn't get a mention in the news Item :D

What i find funny is the fact the AW.NET school girls scream and yell that ANN and AO are biased, yet they are openly in the pocket of Eyetech. AW.NET is the official A1 support site, how sick and perverse is that? That is just wrong on so many levels!

Not only is Amiga Inc not giving support for the "AmigaOne", but neither is Eyetech who makes over $400 profit per board sold? They slide a couple bucks in the AW.NET cheerleaders pockets who in turn still insist they are unbiased//pffft// Look at the member count at AW.net, that is the absolute maximimum number of boards they will ever sell. Using that site they will NEVER expand their market!
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 48 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 21-Oct-2003 10:21 GMT
This is great news. Another example of Genesi's commitment to first-class customer service and community support, even when the customers aren't theirs! Well done to all involved in getting this long-outstanding issue sorted out.
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 49 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 21-Oct-2003 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Matt Parsons):
Sorry - I just rewrote this post on ANN, and it doesn't mention genesi either! ;-)

Ian
Report on DCE Repairs : Comment 50 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 21-Oct-2003 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Gru):
What I find funny is how people use any thread (totally unrelated) to amigaworld.net to bash it!

Do you actually own an AmigaONE Gru? Do you have any idea of what support is given by Eyetech within these forums? Or are you merely using this as an opportunity to vent your obviously large amount of stress?

Maybe you should go and see the doctor and discuss alternative methods of releasing your pent-up frustration. ;-)
Anonymous, there are 66 items in your selection [1 - 50] [51 - 66]
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