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[Web] DCE: Further photos of the Pegasos II onlineANN.lu
Posted on 21-Oct-2003 12:23 GMT by Martin 'Senex' Heine (Edited on 2003-10-21 16:48:21 GMT by Christophe Decanini)63 comments
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DCE have published photos of the Pegasos II production on their website.
[Christophe - Edit to use mirror link]
The pictures have been mirrored here.
DCE: Further photos of the Pegasos II online : Comment 1 of 63ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 21-Oct-2003 10:52 GMT
Could it be possible to have a G4 with cooling with only a passive cooler.

With the use of a custom (copper) heatsink ?
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Posted by Eva on 21-Oct-2003 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bennymee):
I saw the Apple proprietary heat pipe solution on PowerBook G4: it's a large copper heatsink (mmm about 10x10 cm) connected to other metallic parts of the little case.
Really difficult to see it out for standard PC case.

PS
Above the photos and the whoole things.
I'm happy to see Peggy2 near release and so on, but ...
I hope that it starts to be a real end user machine with a GOOD production.

Anyone knows here that I alwayz supported the good path of Mos group and Bplan too, but actually Peggy1 is a collection machine (a really cool and nice machine, but produced in realy little quantities).

I hope that Peggy2 enstead will be produced in a large scale number. It' s disappointing to see people wait years to buy a machine that they asked on Vesalia or PegasosPPC 2 years ago.
Sure this can not fix the fact that Aos4+AmigaOne combo is worse than Peggy+Mos situation, but without a decent production there will be really too few machines for people outhere.
Here in Italy, only in my region, I know 4 people that wanted a Peggy one when they saw it in Empoli.
So the real answer is ...
How a REAL BIG production will start for end users?

Ciao
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bennymee):
> Could it be possible to have a G4 with cooling with only a passive cooler?

That would be nice but the card is in a slot, that limits the weight of any heatsink (or it bends the card). I doubt that a G4@1GHz can be cooled without fan. Those small VGA/northbridge-style heatsinks that would fit are either to big or not spc'ed for more than 5-8W.
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Posted by Megol on 21-Oct-2003 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
That is not a problem. One can either fasten the heatsink in the chassis or use heatpipes to transport heat to the heatsink (which can then be located wherever is most practical).
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 11:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Megol):
> That is not a problem. One can either fasten the heatsink in the chassis or use heatpipes to transport heat to the heatsink

That requires more skills than I have. But a last resort is water cooling: You can get water-cooled heatsinks for northbridge chips and the PPC has the same dimensions and holes around it. I have had passive watercooling in my PC for a long time now and it is a blessing (the pump is noisless). Here is a suitable GPU/chipset cooler:

http://www.aqua-computer-systeme.de/prodimg/tpconfig/ccgerade.jpg
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 21-Oct-2003 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Megol):
Yah, well.. when you insert a gfx card with a huge noisy fan anyways, what difference is there in a small CPU fan?
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 11:46 GMT
Anyone noticed the debug slot? It's more pictures of the prototype, isn't it?
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Posted by .°*°. on 21-Oct-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
> Anyone noticed the debug slot?

Is it this one next to memory slots?

> It's more pictures of the prototype, isn't it?

Probably prototype but I think that first 600 users will test it strongly as usual.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (.°*°.):
> Probably prototype but I think that first 600 users will test it strongly as usual.

That would be the second 600 users.
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Posted by Nate Downes on 21-Oct-2003 12:22 GMT
A mirror, so as to not overload the DCE page, can be found at http://pegasosppc.com/images.php?f=gallery&id=76
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Posted by Lando on 21-Oct-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Eva):
I heard that, at full capacity, DCE can churn out 10,000+ boards per month. I'm sure sales won't be more than this, at least to begin with.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
That would be the First 600 users replacing their board with this one....
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Lando):
WHOEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's 500+ boards/day
Or 1+ boards/minute

With only 1 assembly line?
I suggest you check your source again :-)
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Posted by itix on 21-Oct-2003 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
Get a gfx card without fan...
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Posted by BrianK on 21-Oct-2003 13:02 GMT
PegasOS II? --
Why not make a motherboard that will be compatible with the CPU upgrade modules for the Mac computers?

http://www.gigadesigns.com/ is one company that makes boards that can be used within AGP Graphics (Sawtooth), Server, Gigabit Ethernet, Digital Audio, Quicksilver, and Quicksilver 2002 motherboards. G4 CPU modules they make are from 800Mhz to 1.4Ghz in speed.

http://www.sonnettech.com/ is another company their G4 is in the same 800Mhz to 1.4Ghz range.

The other plus is that we could use someone's lower speed G4 (say a 500Mhz) for cheap off of Ebay.

I'd gladly buy a PegasOSII board for $100-150 and use a G4 500Mhz from Ebay for a while.
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Posted by itix on 21-Oct-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (BrianK):
> Why not make a motherboard that will be compatible> with the CPU upgrade modules for the Mac computers? Hmm.. CPU upgrade modules for Mac computer look like A1200 accelerator cards. Every upgrade module come with different connector and shape.
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Posted by Nate Downes on 21-Oct-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (BrianK):
For one reason, there is no single connector standard for Mac CPU cards. So which card would you run, and what would make that card better than others?

Then there is the other issue of not being assured of the survival of the chosen card standard. Over time, as the model this card originally went to ages, the cards will go out of production, leaving the Peg without any new CPU cards at all. (ever tried to find new CPU cards to the earliest model PowerMac's lately?)
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Posted by BrianK on 21-Oct-2003 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (itix):
See the one's I listed there's a 133Mhz card and they're the same shape for multiple systems. While I realize you won't be able to use every connector. It would make some sense to make the PPC motherboard (PegasOS or AOne) compatible with the PPC modules that Apple's using instead of creating something else.

My only thought would be Apple has the rights, or another company, and the usage costs to do so would be high.
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Posted by BrianK on 21-Oct-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Nate Downes):
Which card would you run? I don't see this as a large problem. The new PegasOS is a 133Mhz machine so you'd use the 133Mhz cards that the latest versions of the G4 Tower uses, it's about 3 motherboard iterations old.

Of course the G5 has a whole different connection. However, you'd have a couple more sources for the CPU module and the ability to upgrade to faster speeds, wouldn't it be nice to run a 1.4Ghz G4 instead of the 1Ghz version? If faster then 1.4Ghz G4 modules are made they are sure to fit the same format because companies want to sell cards for the Macs. If G4's go out of vogue then DCE can still make their own cards. Hopefully, the PegasOS G5 or Amiga G5 will be out by the time DCE can't source G4 for cards any more.
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Posted by Pentrite on 21-Oct-2003 13:38 GMT
If they can sell, let's say 5000 of these boards, I think that this would force Hyperion to port OS4 to Peg2, surely they wouldn't wanna miss 5000 potential costumers, it is a win-win situation for all parts involved... Only my opinion of course...
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Posted by BrianK on 21-Oct-2003 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Pentrite):
They sell millions of x86 motherboards why would Hyperion not want to conver the OS to those motherboards. Different processor.... Okay, they sell hundreds of thousands of Apple Mac systems they use PPC why not port there over the PegasOS system? You'd have more then a 5,000 user base to sell your OS to.
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Posted by itix on 21-Oct-2003 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Pentrite):
5000 Pegasos users could be nice achievement... it is more than 68k Amiga users!
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Oct-2003 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bennymee):
> Could it be possible to have a G4 with cooling with only a passive cooler.

> With the use of a custom (copper) heatsink ?

Well, the G4 that is used in the Pegasos is AFAIK one the most modern (and cool) ones, the MPC7447. It is 0.13-micron unlike many older ones seen in old Macs. A quote from Motorola's 7447 webpages:

"Building on Motorola's continued innovation and performance leadership in the high-performance host processor market, the MPC7447 achieves two major milestones in the embedded world: It delivers 1.3 GHz of performance--making it Motorola's fastest PowerPC™ processor available for embedded applications. It also dissipates less than 10W while running at 1GHz--a critical threshold for many power-sensitive embedded designs."

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7447&nodeId=03C1TR046708718653

They are probably talking about two different versions though, one with focus on high performance, and one with focus on low power consumption/low heat. But in any way I think it would be possible to use a passive cooler, as long as it's big enough.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Pentrite):
> If they can sell, let's say 5000 of these boards, I think that this would force Hyperion to port OS4 to Peg2

How long does it take to port AOS4 to another standard POP board? Days rather than weeks. What will be the market share of the Pegasos in January (this would be the market of "new Amigas", which is more of a puddle)? At least 50%. Do the rest of the math yourself. Developers not supporting both sides must have a death wish.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (BrianK):
> They sell millions of x86 motherboards why would Hyperion not want to conver the OS to those motherboards

Because, two years ago, the decision was made to go PPC and now it's a tiny bit late to have second thoughts? The PPC has the endianess of classic Amigas, that makes porting and seamless integration of emulated code possible.

> Okay, they sell hundreds of thousands of Apple Mac systems they use PPC why not port there over the PegasOS system?

Good thinking. That will happen.
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Posted by Ferry on 21-Oct-2003 15:37 GMT
Please, see this image:

http://pegasosppc.com/images.php?f=image&id=891

There are four conectors in the right bottom corner of the board. Two of them are IDE channels (you can see even the missing pin in the centre of each one). One of remaining two, on the right side, is nearly sure for disk drive, but then, what's the use of last one?

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
DCE: Further photos of the Pegasos II online : Comment 27 of 63ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 21-Oct-2003 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (BrianK):
Apple:

It takes more than lust to port to a Mac. I'm sure Hyperion would like to, but how many officially supported OS'es are there for the Mac?
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Posted by Olegil on 21-Oct-2003 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Another POP board?
Which was the first, then?

The Teron lost its POP status with IBM once MAI decided to use PPCBoot instead of OpenFirmware, afaik (at least according to Tom Gall who should know, being the #1 POP Linux guru ;-)

So AOS4 supports 0 POP boards at the moment.
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Posted by tarbos on 21-Oct-2003 15:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Ferry):
Front panel connector - just similar to the one on Pegasos 1.
DCE: Further photos of the Pegasos II online : Comment 30 of 63ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 21-Oct-2003 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Anony...

The Penrite's comment was
'I think that this would force Hyperion to port OS4 to Peg2, surely they wouldn't wanna miss 5000 potential costumers,'

Extending Penrite's logic wouldn't Amiga rather port to a platform that has hundreds of thousands of users instead of 5,000? Surely AmigaOS4 could get more sales potential out of a port being availble for hundreds of thousands instead of only 5K.

You wrote 'Good thinking. That will happen.'
I'm, believing your comments were sarcasm, and such *I am with you I don't think it will happen. So, why do a Peg2 port? That was the point. Maybe Pentrite has a better reason?
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (BrianK):
>You wrote 'Good thinking. That will happen.' I'm, believing your comments were sarcasm

Nope, it was a guess based on the impression that a port of MorphOS to Mac hardware is already in the pipeline.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Olegil):
> So AOS4 supports 0 POP boards at the moment

That's not relevant, is it? The BIOS can be flashed. Apparently MorphOS has already booted on A1 hardware, after replacing the BIOS. I (as a naive non-technical person) don't see why it should be more difficult vice versa. If Amiga wants to sell AOS4 for Pegaos hardware, they'll just sell their dongle, aka BIOS. They seem to be obsessed with that part anyway.
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Posted by BrianK on 21-Oct-2003 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Olegil):
Supported OSes for Apple?

Let's take a look at what PegasOS offers and see if there's an Apple PPC version?

(People I'm not trying to attack PegasOS but just using the list on their site to see what other Apple PPC OSes are out there.)

AROS -- can't find one thier page but I can't find PegasOS either.
Knoppix -- can't find one thier page but I can't find PegasOS either.
NewOS -- Apple planned just like PegasOS.
OpenBSD -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
QNX -- Doesn't list Apple but lists Marvell, may work on PegasOS.
FreeBSD -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
NetBSD -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
OpenBeOS -- Apple planned just like PegasOS.
OpenDarwin -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
Zynot -- site's not easy to find anything so we'll leave that be.
LinuxPPC -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
AmigaOS 3.x --- UAE Emulation
MacOS9 -- Classic Mac Emulation
MacOSX -- Native

Now your question was Offically supported OSes. Apple Offical support is for MacOSX. Other OSes are 'officially' supported from their respective organizations. As such some of this support, same as it will be for PegasOS, is via News or Email groups rather then a direct organization. I find it hard to believe that PegasOS will support all the above OSes the same way Apple supports MacOSX.

The point is if Amiga is making a PowerPC operating system and, as if Perite claims think that an extra 5,000 users would be a huge miss for Amiga why not simply extend this logic and port to the Apple PowerPC platform instead? The potential number of users is far greater then the potential 5,000 that would be gained by doing a PegasOS port. Don't get me wrong if Amiga or Hyperion arranges to do a PegasOS port more power to them and I hope they do well. But, if I were Amiga and looking at alternative platforms, outside of the AmigaOne, to port to the Apple PPC platform would be on the list of places to consider.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
wrong: the pegasos market would be 1/10 of the overall amiga market, since people are more confident with a ball than a butterfly. It's a true fact.
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Posted by BIG Bo$$ on 21-Oct-2003 18:22 GMT
Nice board...but.... nothing special.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Oct-2003 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
> since people are more confident with a ball than a butterfly. It's a true fact.

Statistically, 50% are even more satisfied with two balls. It's a true fact.
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Posted by Eva on 21-Oct-2003 22:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Aos4 need a lot of months to be completed, so thing now for a port is tooo premature.
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Posted by Eva on 21-Oct-2003 22:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (BIG Bo$$):
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Posted by BIG Bo$$ (80.180.169.29) on 21-Oct-2003 20:22:38
Nice board...but.... nothing special.
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Na not bad at all, exspecially if we compare it to AmigaOne.
I hope only to see it in GOOD quantities (not just 200-300).
DCE: Further photos of the Pegasos II online : Comment 39 of 63ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 22-Oct-2003 00:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (BrianK):
BrianK wrote:

> Supported OSes for Apple?
> Let's take a look at what PegasOS offers and see if there's an Apple PPC version? (People I'm not trying to attack PegasOS but just using the list on their site to see what other Apple PPC OSes are out there.)

(BTW, that's Pegasos, not PegasOS -- it's hardware, not an operating system.)

> AROS -- can't find one thier page but I can't find PegasOS either.

No Apple plans AFAIK. Pegasos port in progress.

> Knoppix -- can't find one thier page but I can't find PegasOS either.
> NewOS -- Apple planned just like PegasOS.

I don't think so. See below.

> OpenBSD -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
> QNX -- Doesn't list Apple but lists Marvell, may work on PegasOS.

A couple of years ago QNX RTP was booted on an iMac in an unofficial "at home" project; I haven't kept up and don't know if anything more official is happening regarding Apple machines. But the Pegasos port is in the bag.

> FreeBSD -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
> NetBSD -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
> OpenBeOS -- Apple planned just like PegasOS.

I haven't seen anything about an OpenBeOS port for Macs. Do you have a URL? I can quote the latest OBOS newsletter: "I have been talking to the folks from Genesi about some dual branding ideas that they have - ways to promote OBOS within their community and their Pegasos machines within our community." And I can tell you the PowerPC port of OpenBeOS is being done on a Pegasos, not a Mac, (and should be booting within a month or two) and the same for NewOS (OBOS's kernel).

> OpenDarwin -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.
> Zynot -- site's not easy to find anything so we'll leave that be.
> LinuxPPC -- Apple port exists PegasOS doesn't appear listed.

You're looking in the wrong places, apparently.

> AmigaOS 3.x --- UAE Emulation
> MacOS9 -- Classic Mac Emulation
> MacOSX -- Native

I got tired of going point-by-point on those OSes. Sorry. But they are listed on the Genesi site because they are either done, in progress, or planned to begin shortly. I hit on some highlights, above.

> Now your question was Offically supported OSes. Apple Offical support is for MacOSX. Other OSes are 'officially' supported from their respective organizations. As such some of this support, same as it will be for PegasOS, is via News or Email groups rather then a direct organization. I find it hard to believe that PegasOS will support all the above OSes the same way Apple supports MacOSX.

Well, as a startup Genesi is hungrier that Apple, so they should be more inclined to support everything they can to try and build sales. True, MorphOS is Genesi's favorite child, but that doesn't mean the siblings will be neglected or abused. ;-)

> The point is if Amiga is making a PowerPC operating system and, as if Perite claims think that an extra 5,000 users would be a huge miss for Amiga why not simply extend this logic and port to the Apple PowerPC platform instead?

One built-in plus in the Pegasos case is that these buyers are familiar with AmigaOS and appreciate it, whereas AOS would definitely be a much harder sell to most Mac users. Secondly, Genesi, under the right conditions, would receive an AmigaOS port positively, whereas Apple would either be indifferent or hostile, if history is a guide.

> The potential number of users is far greater then the potential 5,000 that would be gained by doing a PegasOS port. Don't get me wrong if Amiga or Hyperion arranges to do a PegasOS port more power to them and I hope they do well. But, if I were Amiga and looking at alternative platforms, outside of the AmigaOne, to port to the Apple PPC platform would be on the list of places to consider.

Sure, that's why Genesi has plans for a MorphOS/game "trojan horse" live CDROM to run on Macs, for starters. But the Pegasos could be a good second step for Amiga, if the numbers warrant the effort. Anyway, if I were Amiga, I'd be thinking more about AmigaDE hosts and high-quality content than porting the OS itself.

-- gary_c
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Posted by bbrv on 22-Oct-2003 01:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (gary_c):
Thanks gary!

See here:

http://gladiateur.pegasosppc.com/

R&B
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Posted by bbrv on 22-Oct-2003 01:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (bbrv):
...and speaking of Apple:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=137
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Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Oct-2003 02:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Eva):
IIRC the first run would be 600 boards (like the Pegasos 1) and then another productionrun of x amount of machines for comsumers.

(Makes you think someone likes the number 600 ;P)

As for the A1+AOS4 situation, that's completely unrelated to the topic

Cheers
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Posted by Amon_Re on 22-Oct-2003 02:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (BrianK):
A mac port of AOS4 is near impossible, due to Apple not handing out their doxs & all.

Cheers
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Posted by priest on 22-Oct-2003 05:20 GMT
Has anyone benchmarked Virtual PC on MacOnLinux on 600Mhz G3 and on 1Ghz G4 ... ??
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Posted by Hagge on 22-Oct-2003 05:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Pentrite):
If they can sell, let's say 5000 of these boards, I think that this would force Hyperion to port OS4 to Peg2, surely they wouldn't wanna miss 5000 potential costumers, it is a win-win situation for all parts involved... Only my opinion of course...

--

That's how I see it to. More hardware manufacturers == Better sales of the OS. More OS manufacturers == Better sales of the hardware.

The only problem here is that for Genesi, it seems it doesn't matter for them. If they sell more motherboards because they get AmigaOS, fine. If they get more MorphOS users because it runs on the AmigaONE aswell, fine.

The only problem here is Amiga Inc, since they only make profit in licensing. Therefor, if someone runs AmigaOS on a Pegasos they miss the money from the hardware license.

But maybe Amiga Inc should try to understand that in the long term better sales of AmigaOS, even for the Pegasos, will get them more users, and therefor more software and intrest, and possibly better sales. but who cares, they are screwed anyway, hopefully Eyetech and Hyperion got some guarantee that they can keep on producing their products even if Amiga Inc dies.
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Posted by Hagge on 22-Oct-2003 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (BrianK):
They sell millions of x86 motherboards why would Hyperion not want to conver the OS to those motherboards. Different processor.... Okay, they sell hundreds of thousands of Apple Mac systems they use PPC why not port there over the PegasOS system? You'd have more then a 5,000 user base to sell your OS to.

--

Because no mac-user would be so stupid that they replaced MacOSX with AmigaOS =D
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Posted by Olegil on 22-Oct-2003 05:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
Uhm, sure the BIOS of the AmigaOne can be flashed so it is POP compatible, but then you loose AOS compatibility, so this doesn't help AOS being POP bompatibility.
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Posted by Hagge on 22-Oct-2003 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Ferry):
"what's the use of last one?"

it's for connecting pc-speaker, power-led and so on.
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Posted by Olegil on 22-Oct-2003 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (BrianK):
Let me rephrase that.

By officially supported I don't mean that Apple lists them on their site, I mean that Apple helps them with docs.

How many operating systems are based on inside information on how Apple chipsets work? I don't think any except MacOS are. They rely completely on OF to do magic, AFAIK.

IBM, on the other hand, is EXTREMELY helpful towards Linux.
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Posted by Hagge on 22-Oct-2003 06:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (BrianK):
But, if I were Amiga and looking at alternative platforms, outside of the AmigaOne, to port to the Apple PPC platform would be on the list of places to consider.

--

One thing to consider would be the amount of help hyperion could get from apple vs genesi to make it an easy port.
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