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Posted on 24-Oct-2003 08:52 GMT by Silke Woj66 comments
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See some premieres at the OASE - MicroA1 G4 in Action! ATI Radeon & AmigaOS4 on the AmigaOne! See some premieres at the OASE - MicroA1 G4 in Action! ATI Radeon & AmigaOS4 on the AmigaOne!

... A real world premiere is takeing place at the O.A.S.E. (Open Amiga Southeast Europe) show having a working AmigaOne Lite, now renamed to MicroA1, on public display the first time ever.

The (preliminary) MicroA1 specs as follows:

# G4 7447 low power cpu up to 1.3 GHz (running 1.066MHz at the show)
# Radeon 7000 graphics chip with 32 MB video RAM on board (2xAGP)
# 100MBit Ethernet
# 2x USB1.1
# Serial / Parallel ports
# UDMA 100 IDE Controller
# 1 PCI slot (incl. Riser for 90° adapter)
# mini-ITX form faktor (170x170mm)

We will have Linux Debian running on the MicroA1 and we are pushing hard to get AmigaOS 4.0 running on the board until Saturday. Special thanks to Thomas Frieden for his ongoing work to make this possible.

The first time a Picasso96 Radeon driver will be shown on an AmigaOne under AmigaOS 4.0. Special thanks to Joshua B. Helm and Forefront Technologies.

AmigaOS 4.0 on the AmigaOne will also have working 3com ethernet drivers running thru the Roadshow TCP/IP stack and the Soundblaster Live! running a PowerPC native version of AHI.

AmigaOne XE G4/933MHz boards will be available at the show for a special OASE price of 849,- Euro (incl. 20% VAT). For current customers we will have live updates of their UBoot FlashROM chips.

For our MorphOS fans we will have two Pegasos machines at the show.

Another part of the show handles Retro Computing where Jens Schönfeld of Individual Computer will talk about the C= One. An actual version of the C= One board can be seen at the show.
With some luck, a working (!) C65 can also been seen there.

More Infos (and pictures) see: http://www.oase.at

The O.A.S.E. takes place this weekend, Saturday, October 25th in Graz/Austria.

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Als echte Europa- (und auch Welt-) Premiere werden wir die AmigaOne Lite, die nun in MicroA1 umbenannt wurde, erstmals auf der O.A.S.E. in Aktion zeigen.

Die (vorläufigen) MicroA1 Specs:

# G4 7447 bis 1.3GHz low power cpu (1.066MHz auf unserem Vorführgerät)
# Radeon7000 on board
# 100MBit Ethernet
# 2x USB1.1
# 256MB 133MHz S0-DRAM
# UDMA-100 IDE
# mini-ITX Formfaktor (170x170 mm)
# PCI Slots (1x bez. über Riser-Board)

Neben einer Linuxbasierten Lösung wird mit etwas Glück bereits AmigaOS 4.0 auf der AmigaOne Lite laufen. Vielen Dank an Thomas Frieden, der bis zuletzt noch an einer Kernelanpassung für den 7447 gearbeitet hat.

Erstmals wird eine AmigaOne unter AmigaOS4 mit einem Radeon Treiber gezeigt werden! Danke an Joshua B. Helm, Forefront Technologies für seinen Einsatz!

Die AmigaOS 3com Ethernet und Soundblaster Live! Treiber für die AmigaOne sind rechtzeitig zur OASE fertig geworden, sodass wir alle AmigaOnes auch mit dem AmigaOS 4.0 eigenen TCP/IP-Stack "Roadshow" online haben werden und auch AHI native für AmigaOS 4.0 zeigen können.

AmigaOne XE G4/933MHz werden direkt auf der Messe vor Ort zum OASE-Aktionspreis zu haben sein. Für alle bestehenden AmigaOne Kunden bieten wir ein Vorort-Update des UBoot Flash ROM an.

Zwei Pegasos mit MorphOS werden ebenfalls zu sehen sein.

Ein weiteres Thema dreht sich um Retro-Computing, wo Jens Schönfeld zum aktuellen Stand des C= One referieren wird, und mit etwas Glück werden wir neben dem C= One auch erstmals einen (historischen) funktionsfähigen C65 in Österreich zeigen können.

Die O.A.S.E. findet am 25. Oktober von 10:00 bis 18:00 in Graz/Österreich statt.

--
Silke Woj
public relations
point.design

OASE Update : Comment 1 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 24-Oct-2003 07:05 GMT
You are obviously meaning the mini ITX "A1 Lite"? AFAIK, the Micro ATX version has been cancelled, according to Ben Hermans ...
OASE Update : Comment 2 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by No WP on 24-Oct-2003 07:22 GMT
World premiere seems to have taken place already in Sydney, according to Amiga.org:

http://www.amigaos4downunder.org/aos4_sydney/index.htm
OASE Update : Comment 3 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 24-Oct-2003 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
> now renamed to MicroA1

Sorry, I missed that! A bit confusing though ...
OASE Update : Comment 4 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie on 24-Oct-2003 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (No WP):
hehe, you beat me to it :)

Yep, we Aussies beat you Euros to it ;)
OASE Update : Comment 5 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 24-Oct-2003 07:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (No WP):
On the screenshots I see nothing about Radeon in OS4 and/or a *running* MicroA1, so it seems both will be premieres at OASE?!

Ciao, Alfred
OASE Update : Comment 6 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Schober on 24-Oct-2003 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (No WP):
Did it run ? ;)

if so, it's not a world premiere ;) And the price goes to.... Sidney !

cheers
Jürgen
OASE Update : Comment 7 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie on 24-Oct-2003 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Jürgen Schober):
LOL
OASE Update : Comment 8 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Oct-2003 10:07 GMT
picasso96? can't amiga inc and genesi even agree on which gfx drivers to use? morphos uses cybergfx, right? how stupid.

the price for the microa1 is the same as for a complete emac, wee, everyone will get them, not.
OASE Update : Comment 9 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 24-Oct-2003 10:09 GMT
€849 + 20% tax!?

EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY EUROS PLUS TWENTY PERCENT TAX. THAT'S ONE THOUSAND AND EIGHTEEN EUROS AND EIGHTY CENTS. JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T NOTICE.

My I direct you all to <a href="http://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php">http://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php</a> where you can find a better board for around half the price? :)

=Neko=
OASE Update : Comment 10 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 24-Oct-2003 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Hagge):
Am I a complete idiot or are you?

Where did you find the price of the MicroA1?
I still haven't seen any mention of that anywhere.
OASE Update : Comment 11 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 24-Oct-2003 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Olegil):
well, commenting in an OS4 thread with pegasos prices.. you make your own mind up ;)
OASE Update : Comment 12 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 24-Oct-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
849 is incl Tax.
OASE Update : Comment 13 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Schober on 24-Oct-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
eh...please explain what "incl. 20% VAT" means. Thx.

Jürgen
OASE Update : Comment 14 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Oct-2003 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Olegil):
I'm the idiot, the 849 was for the amigaone xe.

Intresting price, 350 euro over the peg2 price, sure you get theoretically agp 2x, but you still get a crappy chipset, slow memory, slower cpu, no firewire, no gigabit ethernet, no os, ...
OASE Update : Comment 15 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Oct-2003 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jürgen Schober):
Then you buy stuff you often pay a certain percentage to the government in taxes, here in sweden it's 25%, in most other countries it's lower.

You know, the stuff you don't have to pay then you are buying stuff between two countries (taxfree) ;)
OASE Update : Comment 16 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans on 24-Oct-2003 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
That was actually a misunderstanding on my part.

The MicroATX board has not been cancelled.
OASE Update : Comment 17 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans on 24-Oct-2003 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Hagge):
Incidentally, you do know that you are one hell of a bore Hagge?

Maybe I should reproduce some of those idiotic e-mails you sent me in the past about AmigaDE.

Can't believe I ever wasted my time to answer your nonsense.
OASE Update : Comment 18 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by kalmar on 24-Oct-2003 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Ben Hermans):
for feck sake, calm down man. And try to remain above the squabbling of the bulleting boards - there's nothing you can do about it, and at the end of the day it does not matter!
OASE Update : Comment 19 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Ben Hermans):
Is this really Ben Hermans @ Hyperion? He's got a "trusted user" account, doesn't he?

Whoever you are, if you've got problems with what somebody says in e-mail, then I suggest you either reply by e-mail or ignore him.

If you're really Ben Hermans, didn't it occur to you that Hagge hasn't even mentioned you in this thread? Whoever you are, why did you pick this particular thread for your insult? Post a new forum topic or something, if you really feel the need to tell the world what you think of an individual user.


17.208-78-194.adsl-fix.skynet.be? It sure looks like Hermans.
OASE Update : Comment 20 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 24-Oct-2003 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Alfred Schwarz):
>On the screenshots I see nothing about Radeon in OS4 and/or a *running* MicroA1,
>so it seems both will be premieres at OASE?!

You should clean your glasses. There WAS a Radeon on that screenshot. Look at the prefs window... :-(
OASE Update : Comment 21 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by amighista on 24-Oct-2003 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
Get a life, ladyboy. No one will trust and bother about your opinions.
OASE Update : Comment 22 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Oct-2003 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Ben Hermans):
What?

I don't remember if I have sent you e-mails about AmigaDE or not, maybe I have, Amiga has been an intrest of mine for long. And maybe they where stupid aswell, I don't remember. If they where so damn stupid and full of nonsense I can't belive why you answered them either.

No matter what I think the price is way to much, for the same price as amigaone xe motherboard and 933mhz cpu you get a complete apple emac with 1ghz cpu (thought not as good series), 128mb sdram, 30 or 40gb hdd, radeon gfx card, crt monitor, macosx 10.3 and so on. You can't say AmigaOne offers good value can you? AmigaOne has no chance to compete in the bare bone ppc market if the single motherboard is even MORE EXPENSIVE than a complete mac, anyone should understand that. The only ones who will ever buy the amigaone if any is the previos amiga owners, and i really doubt even those would pay a such high price.

What's so bad with that? and no, i don't know what "bore" means.
And secondly your company would of course benefit if amigaos was released for the peg aswell as it's hardware got a better price and will probably gain more users, and more users means more potential costumers for amigaos, which should be good, or?

If you have some serious problems with me or anything you want to sort out please mail me at aliquis@link-net.org. The only thing i think i've done wrong is then i said amiga inc, eyetech and hyperion could die then that guy had broken his rom socket on his amigaone. But later it was sorted out and it wasn't like eyetech forced him to do it or refused to fix anything so i don't see that as a problem longer and i did appologise.

I'm sorry if i hurt your bussiness buy saying that the price is way to high, but it really is.
OASE Update : Comment 23 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Oct-2003 13:06 GMT
Or well, wtf, post the damn mails in this thread if you want, it's not like i have copyright on them or anything. And I suppose I don't care that much if some people in this news forum think I'm stupid.
OASE Update : Comment 24 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Megol on 24-Oct-2003 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Hagge):
"... it's not like i have copyright on them or anything."

Well if you wrote the emails you do. ;-)
OASE Update : Comment 25 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 24-Oct-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Hagge):
Damn, what'd you do to piss him off anyway? Cant anyone bitch about taxes without offending someone?
OASE Update : Comment 26 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Oct-2003 15:30 GMT
Megol: AFAIK you are free to publish any mails sent to you, I'm sure I've read that somewhere, might be different if you add a small note in your e-mail there you ask the other one to not publish it. Anyway he's free to do whatever he wants with them, aslong as he don't sell my e-mail address to some spam company. Hey, that's an idea! Amiga inc could start to collect e-mail addresses from amiga users and sell them! .. (I'm jokeing..)

T_Bone: I dunno, i mentioned the amigaone was expensive and talked about taxes, and that's it.

And then to anyone intrested:
Many people do want to get a mac, but the only problem is the price, people think they are expensive and therefor they don't buy them even if they might have been considering them.
If you sell a similair computer even more expensive and it can't run macosx noone in there right mind will buy it, same if you have an equal price.
But if you do sell a similair computer at a cheaper price someone who have been thinking of ppc but don't really need macosx might consider buying it.
However as far as price/performance is worse than for x86 that's not very likely to happen.
At a price/performance comparable to the x86 you might attract the geek market, the regular users however want something they know, that's windows, so they wont care.
And then, if you really want to reach the average user you must sell a machine which outperforms the x86 at a lower price.

That's a fact, nothing weird with it, and as i've always said i really hope hyperion and eyetech has some guarantee that they can keep on even if amiga inc dies, and if that is the case i hope it will happen. Because the ppc from eyetech would be cheaper without a license, and you could use openfirmware instead of the u-boot. Hyperion could release amigaos for the pegasos aswell and sell better, pegasos users could get amigaos, people who want to run amigaos could choose the cheapest solution and so on. it's a win-win situation for everyone, except amiga inc of course. But do we really care?
OASE Update : Comment 27 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2003 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jürgen Schober):
> eh...please explain what "incl. 20% VAT" means. Thx.

There should be an OS4 roadshow in Luxembourg which has the EU's lowest VAT rate (15%), not Austria. Compared to 850EUR in Austria, you save 42EUR. Free CD writer, so to speak.
OASE Update : Comment 28 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 24-Oct-2003 15:41 GMT
And no, i don't get paid or gain anything for saying this, it's my own opinions and reflections of it all. I don't think apple computers are excellent value, I might consider a laptop from them, or maybe even a desktop if i had the money because it could be nice with macosx, but for no reason whatsoever because they would give me a better computer for a good price. And I don't think the peg2 is excellent value either, you can probably get a better pc for the same amount of money, especially if you don't really have a need of the fast chipset and buses (ie use your pci-x or ethernet a lot). However it's not as rediciously expensive as the technically inferior amigaone and you get a modern os backed by a company which actually do care and tries it's best. The peg2 is still good-enough value and you might even have a chance for an upgrade price if you go with the peg3 later, and the price includes the os with sdk aswell, and who knows what goddies bbrv will get for the superbundle in the future.

Myself I'm happy with BSD and x86 for the moment.
OASE Update : Comment 29 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 24-Oct-2003 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
Why don't you Genesi poeple stick to threads about Peg and MOS instead of attempts at ruining every Amiga thread on ANN and A.org.

Is that what Buck pays you for, all you are hired to do???
OASE Update : Comment 30 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Jimbo on 24-Oct-2003 18:53 GMT
The AmigaONE needs to be cheaper, over £500 for just a motherboard is just complete stupidity especially for a so called platform coming back from the grave.

The cheaper they are the more you sell.
OASE Update : Comment 31 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Oct-2003 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Jimbo):
"The AmigaONE needs to be cheaper, over £500 for just a motherboard is just complete stupidity especially for a so called platform coming back from the grave.

The cheaper they are the more you sell."

And if there isn't a profit on each board sold, the more you sell the more money you lose. It is more sensible to risk slow sales at first, at least until the initial costs are covered.

Then you can decide whether halving the profit margin might more than double the sales. No point in reducing the price unless you are convinced the total profit will increase.
OASE Update : Comment 32 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2003 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Troels E):
> Why don't you Genesi poeple stick to threads about Peg and MOS instead of
> attempts at ruining every Amiga thread

OASE is not an Amiga Inc exclusive event. Genesi will be there as well.
And you lost your chance to bitch about the Blue's wrecking the thread when one of you Red's popped up and threatened exposing a users email conversations because he was complaining about high taxes, I'm afraid.
OASE Update : Comment 33 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 24-Oct-2003 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Troels E):
Oh shut up already.

"thats what genesi is paying you, boohoo, hoo hoo"..
OASE Update : Comment 34 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 24-Oct-2003 21:38 GMT
I hope the Amiga community is growing, I can't afford to get every model that comes out, finance the Amiga Computer development in the future, we have tree new Amiga models all ready "AmigaOneSE", "AmigaOneXE" and now "AmigaOne Lite", I shore hope that some where in the world there are some one using the AmigaOne's for some other market.
OASE Update : Comment 35 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2003 21:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Don Cox):
> And if there isn't a profit on each board sold, the more you sell the more money you lose. It is more sensible to risk slow sales at first.

From just looking - unlike, you, I'm not a business owner - startups do it vice versa, like a rocket taking off: slow start and you burn a lot of fuel to gain momentum. Genesi would be (a very tiny little bit) like that. Of course with 100$ in the jar, Amiga Inc has its options limited and will find it diffcult to take off. You can not have a serious business plan if you are broke, that's gouing to be like a millstone around the A1. The new mini-itx "Amiga" mainboard looks very promising though, and Eyetech is a business, not a joke. So my prediction is that Eyetech makes a lot of cash with selling that board to Linux people and slowly but certainly takes over AmigaOS from Amiga Inc. Remind me in two years if was wrong ;-)
OASE Update : Comment 36 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 24-Oct-2003 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kjetil):
> I shore hope that some where in the world there are some one using the AmigaOne's for some other market.

At this point that's highly unrealistic, as they would be burdoned with an AOS4 license that would be worthless to them, when they could just buy a non-AOS4-licensed Pegasos for about half the price.

Why would the non-Amiga market, who don't need OS4, want to fund Amiga developement? The license prevents other markets from increasing demand for our hardware, and hence, cheaper prices for us.
OASE Update : Comment 37 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2003 22:45 GMT
agge, you are pathetic.
You always say dirts about amigainc/eyetech/hyperion.

But the amusing thing of all this, is that the os4 will sweep to alone morphos when it leaves and trolls like yor, will be silenced
OASE Update : Comment 38 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie on 25-Oct-2003 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
We would remind you in two ears if you were wrong on the condition we knew who you were ;P
OASE Update : Comment 39 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bodie on 25-Oct-2003 01:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Bodie):
err, *years
OASE Update : Comment 40 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 25-Oct-2003 02:34 GMT
It will be nice sometime to see OS 4 on a reasonably priced machine.
I have to agree that 800 dollars for a motherboard/cpu, is what I would call too much.

I paid about about 100 dollars for this Athlon 2000+...still I'd pay a premium for a ppc motherboard.

You know 25% is a fairly steep premium, but I'm a fanatic, I'd do it...I might even pay a 100% premium, on a really good day...maybe if I was drunk and high on smack a 200% premium.

but I'm not paying 800 dollars anytime soon. It's ashame, because I'd like to be a customer.
OASE Update : Comment 41 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 25-Oct-2003 04:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Don Cox):
"And if there isn't a profit on each board sold, the more you sell the more money you lose. It is more sensible to risk slow sales at first, at least until the initial costs are covered."

Well, for some reason genesi can build the boards cheaper, but sure, the peg1 was 499 euro and with a g4 instead of a g3 the price would probably have been higher.

Anyway I don't think it's nice to let the real amiga users cover your companies expenses in the first place buy selling expensive hardware, useless sdks and t-shirts which they never get. A fresh company often make a loss during startup but you are supposed to be able to handle that and gain some profit later.
OASE Update : Comment 42 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 25-Oct-2003 04:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kjetil):
"I hope the Amiga community is growing, I can't afford to get every model that comes out, finance the Amiga Computer development in the future, we have tree new Amiga models all ready "AmigaOneSE", "AmigaOneXE" and now "AmigaOne Lite", I shore hope that some where in the world there are some one using the AmigaOne's for some other market."

The AmigaOneXE doesn't use the Artica S does it?
And I don't think you have to finance any development since it's another company which actually makes the boards, isn't it?
Anyway, I suppose the AmigaOneXE was released because the chipset in AmigaOneSE didn't work well, and then they wanted to gain some publicity and chance that non-amiga users would get the board aswell so they went mini-itx. Only a theory thought.
OASE Update : Comment 43 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 25-Oct-2003 04:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
"agge, you are pathetic.
You always say dirts about amigainc/eyetech/hyperion."

No, I "say dirt" about Amiga Inc, so far eyetech and hyperion seems to do their job quite well, thought I still belive the prices are way to high and I don't see why I'm not allowed to have that opinion. Sure, if you are stupid enough to buy the hardware anyway and enjoy it then no problem, aslong as you are happy with your purchase.

"But the amusing thing of all this, is that the os4 will sweep to alone morphos when it leaves and trolls like yor, will be silenced"

You think I would get sad if AmigaOS4 was a success? Why on earth would I be that? And seriously I haven't even used MorphOS yet. As I said of course I don't gain anything for this, but some of you guys are way to blind, in the begining didn't amiga inc talked about new machines and os in the first year? It's gone almost four years now, the amigasdk never gained anything, amigade never took of, amigaos4 isn't here yet and then it will be it wont be at amigaos5 or whatever it should have been at, amiga inc seems to have no money, are very silent, never post any executiev updates, noone knows what they does or why, and so far the amigaones have been very expensive linux motherboards. But maybe the mini-itx will solve that and be cheaper, we can hope. if it's sold for say 250 euro with a g3 or 400 euro with a g4 and you can get amigaos for say 50-100 euro it's an ok deal for the regular amiga user.
OASE Update : Comment 44 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Oct-2003 05:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
"From just looking - unlike, you, I'm not a business owner - startups do it vice versa, like a rocket taking off: slow start and you burn a lot of fuel to gain momentum."

You're thinking of dot com companies. Real businesses start with a lot of hard work and very little cash, and plough everything back into development for several years. Eyetech have of course been in business for about twenty years already, but the AmigaOne motherboards are a new venture.

I have no knowledge of Eyetech's finances or strategy beyond what Alan has published, but he does have his head screwed on.
OASE Update : Comment 45 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 25-Oct-2003 05:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Hagge):
> Intresting price, 350 euro over the peg2 price,

So, they sell the Pegasos at a loss! Great financial model for long-term viability!?!

I can't see EyeTech going insolvent, however!

There's an OLD saying - "What you pay = what you get!"
So, if you pay Lada Samara prices; you get a LADA SAMARA!
OASE Update : Comment 46 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2003 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (vortexau):
The pegasos is obviously subsidised by venture capital, otherwise it would be more expensive and buckyboy wouldn't be giving them away to anyone who says he might think about porting some linux crud, or to key community members like a certain ex-webmaster. Everyone has his price but this guy sure was a bargain ;-)
OASE Update : Comment 47 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 25-Oct-2003 06:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Hagge):
> Many people do want to get a mac, but the only problem is the price -{snip}-

No problem, then get a Win-tel that's priced generic!

> If you sell a similair computer even more expensive and it can't run macosx -{snip}-
Where did you get the THAT idea? Ever heard of MOL?

> However as far as price/performance is worse than for x86 that's not very
> likely to happen.
Commonsense dictates that Win-Tel FANS will buy Win-Tel no matter how many virus attacks they get, or, nomatter how badly BG treats them! "Intel inside - MadoSadist outside?"
> At a price/performance comparable to the x86 you might attract the geek
> market, the regular users however want something they know, that's windows,
> so they wont care
If they LIKE Windows,, NOTHING else will attract them!.
> And then, if you really want to reach the average user you must sell a
> machine which outperforms the x86 at a lower price.
The average user? For the average user Windows is THE WORLD!?!
-{snip}-
> Because the ppc from eyetech would be cheaper without a license,
Coca Cola, MacDonalds, Nike, Windows(surprise), driving, . . ALL of these would be cheaper without a Licence!
> and you could use openfirmware instead of the u-boot. Hyperion could release
> amigaos for the pegasos aswell and sell better, pegasos users could get
> amigaos!
And if Microsoft released FREE PCs, the sun would shine on cloudy days!
The AmigaOS' rights are held by Amiga Inc, and they receive income when AmigaOS4 goes out! This SAME (or similar) financial model exists for Windows and MacOS.

If the Pegasos was Licenced to have AmigaOS4 run on it, then AmigaOS4 WOULD run on it!

Butterflys are FREE! You pay to get a songbird (or pedigreed pet).
OASE Update : Comment 48 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 25-Oct-2003 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (vortexau):
"There's an OLD saying - "What you pay = what you get!""

If sudenly A1 would get cheaper than pegasos, you wouldn't buy it ? ;-)
OASE Update : Comment 49 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 25-Oct-2003 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (vortexau):
"No problem, then get a Win-tel that's priced generic!"
Then they get no mac do they? Of course x86 is the best computer choice price/performance wise, I haven't said anything else.

"Where did you get the THAT idea? Ever heard of MOL?"
Way slower and not native, no thanks. That does not give them macosx, not for real.

"The average user? For the average user Windows is THE WORLD!?!"
Yes

"Coca Cola, MacDonalds, Nike, Windows(surprise), driving, . . ALL of these would be cheaper without a Licence!"
That's why I would rather buy a "power king" than a "red bull" (if i know none of the ingredients are from animals since i'm a vegan) since they contain the same things, smells the same, probably tastes the same and the red bull costs 3x more.
OASE Update : Comment 50 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 25-Oct-2003 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (vortexau):
Btw, why would you pay for a songbird if it's all rotten and dead already?
Anonymous, there are 66 items in your selection [1 - 50] [51 - 66]
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