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[Rant] 2oo4 is starting to look goodANN.lu
Posted on 26-Oct-2003 09:18 GMT by Hagge66 comments
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Will 2004 be the return of Amiga? It all looks quite intresting really. Press more ;) To begin with there are two companies out there who actually seem to be able to deliver, this have not happened for over 10 years for any single company so only that is impressive. Would be great if they didn't compete and instead corporated thought.

Anyway, first we have Genesi which has already released both the computer and the os, they attract new developers and other oses aswell which gives the platform added value, the Pegasos2 price is quite ok, the hardware is good enough and the upgrade options from Pegasos to Pegasos2 is a nice move against their users. MorphOS seems to develop well, and in the very short feature the computers will probably run Linux, OpenBSD, OpenBEOS, QNX, AROS and maybe even more OSes. The only trouble as I see it is that there are still quite little documentation, and more of that kind would be good for helping users who want to develop for the os or attract new developers.

Secondly we have Amiga Inc, the AmigaOnes have been delivered since long, thought a bit expensive imho. Hopefully the mini-itx AmigaOne will be cheaper and the board might attract people from outside which want a PPC cpu instead of Via. I think Amiga Inc and Eyetech would benefit in this if they attracted other than Amiga-users aswell.
Hyperion seems to have done a great job with AmigaOS4, it's not like the AmigaOS3.5 and 3.9 was (to me it always seemed like the regular AmigaOS 3.1 with a bunch of included freeware patches), they have managed to improve AmigaOS in many areas, the new GUI looks awesome and more modern than the old one. Thought I haven't seen how it runs on PPC since the first tests it seems like they are moving it over at a fast rate and we have seen various Amiga-apps actually running and working on it. Hopefully we can finally have see a release in the not to distant future of the first real new AmigaOS for over 10 years. I've heard Hyperion are writing some kind of reference manual for it aswell which is great. The only suggestions here is to try to make the AmigaOne boards a little more affordable and also get the AmigaOS4 to run on the pegasos to gain more users and therefor more applications and publicity.

Then we have AROS, I don't know which current state they would put themself in, something like the OpenBEOS teams roadmap/timeline/whatever would be appreciated. Anyway as I've understand it the OS is quite usable now and the only problem is to get more applications since m68k applications wont run? or?

Anyway, with the possibility of growth in the Genesi camp, cheaper AmigaOnes together with a release of AmigaOS4 and even more progress from the AROS people 2004 is starting to look like a good year. Something which would be cool and might help anyone is if some company was intrested to make an IDE which can compile programs for all of the OSes, thought I don't know how big chances for that to work are. As I understand it all of the got GCC running and MUI should work on them, so why not? Since we got a small split here and the current Amiga user base is quite small something like this would be needed. An easier route would of course be to have both of the OSes running on both of the platforms, and the best solution would of course be if the companies could try to corporate and agree on similair features but i don't see that comming :/. Hopefully time will solve this issue.

Anyway great work all of you and a happy 2004 =P

2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 51 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Oct-2003 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Nate Downes):
Just chipping in here... IIRC (and this has been substantiated elsewhere), Genesi's ultimate goal in the lawsuit (other than "shutting up Bill McEwen") is to obtain the rights to the "Amiga" brand. What is Amiga Inc going to call itself after someone else owns the rights to that name? "This space for rent, Inc"?
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 52 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by - on 27-Oct-2003 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
The AmigaONE will remain as is, the Peg will change to the AmigaTOO.

Stew
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 53 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 27-Oct-2003 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
...rights to *use* the Amiga brand. Nowhere does this imply that Genesi would own the Amiga brand, even if they did win the case.

Why can't people stay on track when discussing these things?
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 54 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Jason on 27-Oct-2003 21:36 GMT
> What is Amiga Inc going to call itself after someone else owns the rights to that name?

Theives Inc
Law Breaking Inc
Scammers Inc
Crooks Inc
Criminals Inc
Con Artists Inc
Scum Inc
Robbing Bastards Inc
Coupons and t-shirts scams Inc
No offices Inc,
Landlord owns Inc
Workers not paid Inc
In Debt Inc
On Schedule and Rockin Inc
Get Legal or Get shutdown Inc.
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 55 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Oct-2003 22:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Bill Hoggett):
That's just insane, it would be like Coke and Pepsi both owning the "Coke" brandname. Sure, they're both dark, fizzy and sweet but only one of them is Coke.
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 56 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Oct-2003 22:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Jason):
OK Jason, where exactly do you get all the "thief" stuff from? I can see "deadbeats, Inc" because they aren't paying any salaries but the thieving stuff I don't get. If you're referring to the coupon stuff, it only applies to when OS4 comes out. Until then you're only allowed to call them "slowpokes, Inc".
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 57 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Jason on 28-Oct-2003 08:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Anonymous):
All i will say is "Open your eyes", does "Amiga" brand mean so much to you that you ignore the truth?
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 58 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 28-Oct-2003 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Jason):
What truth? Your truth, my truth, BBRV truth, Amiga Inc truth?
Imagine if Amiga wins their case against Genesi? How much people would still argue against it, I bet many! Or if they loose it, it always be others to support them.
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 59 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Oct-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Anonymous):
> OK Jason, where exactly do you get all the "thief" stuff from? I can see
> "deadbeats, Inc" because they aren't paying any salaries but the thieving
> stuff I don't get. If you're referring to the coupon stuff, it only applies
> to when OS4 comes out. Until then you're only allowed to call them
> "slowpokes, Inc".

An interesting subject really. People have been buying AmigaOne systems for a while now. I am told that the price they paid includes the price of AmigaOS4. Presumably, Eyetech have been making sales reports to Amiga Inc., and paying the respective licencing fees for all the products they have collected money for.

Why then does the rebate to those users who have already paid their money for their systems have to wait until AmigaOS4 is out? No such condition was made when the coupons were being sold.
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 60 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 28-Oct-2003 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Bill Hoggett):
...and in fact, the deal was a "discount", which specifically means "at time of purchase", rather than a rebate. This should have sounded alarms the minute not one single reseller honored it, as discounts *require* reseller participation at the point of sale.
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 61 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 28-Oct-2003 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Hagge):
> Oh, and going x86/I64/Athlon64 would probably have been great since we would have cheaper hardware and anyone intrested in the OSes could just try > them out on their own machines, to bad that doesn't happen due. . . .
to the VERY real possibility that MS is going to CLOSE that hardware off from non-MS OSs!
Not to mention ALL the problems with incompatible hardware variations that NO ONE but MS can attempt to keep up with!

Do you know why Macintosh doesn't port MAC OSX to x86/I64/Athlon64?
Because they want their OS to work without hiccups!
The AmigaOnePPC is about halfway- More expansion/setup choises than with MAC, but less incompatibities than x86/I64 with
listed working options!

BUT, stray from the WORKING options at YOUR OWN risk!
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 62 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Oct-2003 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (T_Bone):
> ...and in fact, the deal was a "discount", which specifically means "at
> time of purchase", rather than a rebate. This should have sounded alarms
> the minute not one single reseller honored it, as discounts *require*
> reseller participation at the point of sale.

Normal, rational people could easily see that fact. Unfortunetly, the emotionally (if not mentally) challenged in the Amiga Community will just ignore such facts, burry their heads in Fleecy, wishing for OS4 to appear. I actually hope OS4 is released, the initial buying flurry won't last more then a few months and then the ugly reality should hit Eyetech. Outside of a thousand or so Fleecy/McEwen worshippers, no one else is going to pay that much for so little.

I really can't see more then 3K units sold, in total which is about 30% of the current Amiga Community. Figure roughly about the same for Peg2, and the well will be dry.

For the other 60% wanting an Amiga fix, they got two choices: UAE (Win or *nix) or http://www.aros.org/

Dammy
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Posted by vortexau on 28-Oct-2003 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (dammy):
I recall OTHER statements that sank with passing time:

"There will only need to be FIVE computers in the whole world!"

"640K will be enough!"

"DC electricity is the future; AC is too dangerous!"

Hmmm! Maybe surprises when the greater world doesn't progress YOUR way?
Your Glass seems to be just HALF EMPTY?

But, I have my A1 . . . . and plenty of people around the WORLD are waiting for the finished AmigaOS4; including IBM!!!
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 64 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 28-Oct-2003 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (vortexau):
@vortexau

> Do you know why Macintosh doesn't port MAC OSX to x86/I64/Athlon64?

Because they make all their money from selling hardware at high margins?

Apple don't make money on their software, in the same way that Hyperion and Genesi won't make money on their software either. The whole point is to sell hardware at higher margins and this means making obscure hardware sound far more attractive than it actually is.
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 65 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 28-Oct-2003 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (vortexau):
> Hmmm! Maybe surprises when the greater world doesn't progress YOUR way?

Dunno, but it's clearly the world has left PPC in the dust.

> Your Glass seems to be just HALF EMPTY?

Atleast I'm not getting hysterical over it. ;)


> But, I have my A1 . . . .

Good for you.

> and plenty of people around the WORLD are waiting for the finished
> AmigaOS4; including IBM!!!

Where did I say all 3K units would be sold in one geographical location? Hint, I didn't. As for IBM waiting for OS4, I'm sure they are just waiting to dump Linux in favor of Hyperion's work. Yessssiry, IBM is just waiting for the chance to see OS4 running on Power4, not.

Dammy
2oo4 is starting to look good : Comment 66 of 66ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 28-Oct-2003 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (dammy):
>> and plenty of people around the WORLD are waiting for the finished
>> AmigaOS4; including IBM!!!

lol!

IBM pay more attention to the brand of floorwax their janitors use than OS4. (or Pegasos for that matter)
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