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[News] ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundleANN.lu
Posted on 28-Oct-2003 22:30 GMT by Nate Downes43 comments
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Nova Design, Inc. is pleased to announce that our award-winning package, ImageFX, is now available for Pegasos/MorphOS owners in a special lite-edition as part of the SuperBundle package from Genesi.

This version was especially created for MorphOS and includes full color icons and other special features for this release. It comes with PowerPC enabled effects and JPEG loader/savers. It also includes the first release of Lightning for PowerPC as well!

If you already own the complete version of ImageFX, the SuperBundle package also includes the PowerStation modules (including the new Lightning) for MorphOS as well.

Users who find themselves wanting the advanced morphing, animation and keyframing features (and more) of the full ImageFX 4.5 package can upgrade for only $99.95 plus shipping and handling! An amazing bargain.

To download visit The SuperBundle Download Page or to find out more information about Nova Design, Inc. products visit their website at www.novadesign.com

The files are named ImageFX_Lite.lha and PowerStation.lha.

If you still do not have your SuperBundle account, you can still sign up at MorphOS.net
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Posted by Sam Smith on 28-Oct-2003 21:32 GMT
This sounds interesting. Is it MOS enhanced in any way? What is the difference above regular ImageFX?

Sam
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Posted by Sam Smith on 28-Oct-2003 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Sam Smith):
Sorry! I failed to read the full description and just replied to the heading! Doh!

Ignore my original comment!

Sam
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Posted by Casey R Williams on 28-Oct-2003 22:34 GMT
Not only am I totally excited to see MOS getting another "REAL" application, but it's great to see Nova Design active again. Wow, that is truly one of the Amiga's legendary apps and it's gotta freakin rock on a Pegasos. Now what I want is a MOS version of Aladdin 4D with an interface like a truly modern 3d program. I think the software shaders should be approximated in hardware via Open GL, it should have a nice keyframe system and recognise modern filetypes. Above all though it would need proper weighted skeletal and IK as well as subdivision surfaces in the form of a winged-edge type modeler. Oh yeah, proper UV support (not sure if version 5 had that or not, because I wasn't using UVs then). It'd be interesting to see what they'd come up with if they were serious about a MOS update of Aladdin.
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Posted by Troels E on 28-Oct-2003 22:35 GMT
Nice...

@Kermit Woodall

Will any similar offers (Lite version and bargain price) be available to OS4 users when it's released?
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 5 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Kermit Woodall on 28-Oct-2003 22:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Troels E):
I talked with Ben Hermans about this back at Amiwest but he's never followed up since then. This lite version for MorphOS has been in progress for some time - and it's because Bill Buck and others from Genesi originally sought us out _and_ provided their own time and support to make it happen.

It's always possible we'll get an OS 4 version created - we just haven't seen any SDK for OS4 yet.

Kermit
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Oct-2003 22:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Troels E):
I think Mr Hermans has the opinion a bundled app destroys the market for honestAmiga coders.
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Posted by James Carroll on 28-Oct-2003 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Well lets not put words in his mouth.
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Oct-2003 23:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
You know, the last existing and still developed FX Prog, FXPaint, is also Part of the Superbundle.
And Remember, both are light Versions if you want the full Version you still have to pay
(But anyway IFX-Lite is surprising functional, just the animation sektor is afaik missing)

Kermit Woodal:
Hey this is really great news, IFX was and still is a Killerapp in Amiga Market
Nice to see it now also on MorphOS (to be honest I dobted that this would ever happen ;-) )
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Posted by Anonymous on 28-Oct-2003 23:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
You know, the last existing and still developed FX Prog, FXPaint, is also Part of the Superbundle.
And Remember, both are light Versions if you want the full Version you still have to pay
(But anyway IFX-Lite is surprising functional, just the animation sektor is afaik missing)

Kermit Woodal:
Hey this is really great news, IFX was and still is a Killerapp in Amiga Market
Nice to see it now also on MorphOS (to be honest I dobted that this would ever happen ;-) )
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Posted by T_Bone on 28-Oct-2003 23:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
> I think Mr Hermans has the opinion a bundled app destroys the market for honest
> Amiga coders.

??? as opposed to...?
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 11 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Oct-2003 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Sam Smith):
You should head over to slashdot, you'd fit right in! ;)
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Oct-2003 01:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (T_Bone):
Every application that is given away with the OS is an application that no-one will pay money for. How many payware web browsers are there for Windows? I can only think of Opera, and they only survive because their browser is multiplatform (IIRC they pay their bills from the cellphone version).

I remember something similar happening on the Mac - I'm not a Mac user so I'm a bit hazy on details, but Apple bundled something with MacOS X that was a clone of a program had been for sale for years, and pretty much killed it.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Oct-2003 01:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
One word: GREAT !

And for the people against bundled applications.
Bundled applications are a great way to market a product. It was
the case for Scala and other great Amiga titles back in the A500,
A1200 times. Having a light version of an application well known and
well used help to decide the people who may be interested to get the
full version and who may never had the chance to know/ test the
application.
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Posted by gary_c on 29-Oct-2003 02:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
> Every application that is given away with the OS is an application that no-one will pay money for.

Right, but an OS without modern, supported applications is an OS (and hardware, in this case) that no-one will pay money for. Bundling light versions of applications is one way to tackle the chicken-and-egg problem of getting any OS off the ground. If no apps are bundled, then users have very little to use other than orphaned apps and shareware (as Kermit said, it was Genesi's active approach that got ImageFX on MOS).

Other developers might look at the low appeal of the new platform for users and conclude that there's no reason to jump in. If light versions are bundled, at least users have some current applications to use and can spring for the full versions for added usefulness. Developers of other applications, that maybe can compete with bundled light versions if they can do better than the full-price versions, or maybe that are totally different kinds of apps, can see a platform with happy users and some existing developer activity. This looks like a more promising environment, I think, then one with the OS vendor being totally hands-off.

Be, Inc., in contrast to Genesi, didn't include much in the way of basic apps (with Metrowerks CodeWarrior (64K executable limit) a great exception). Later on, in retrospect, they said maybe that was a mistake because a common complaint of early adaptors was "nice OS, but no apps."

There are pluses and minuses to bundling; I guess the idea in the MorphOS case is that it's better to bundle and maybe see a bit of potential competition-stifling than not to and have a platform with very few commercial programs. They're trying to prime the pump.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Rich Woods on 29-Oct-2003 02:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
because a common complaint of early adaptors was "nice OS, but no apps."

There are pluses and minuses to bundling; I guess the idea in the MorphOS case is that it's better to bundle and maybe see a bit of potential competition-stifling than not to and have a platform with very few commercial programs. They're trying to prime the pump.

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Well they keep coming out with apps, updates, industry respect etc.

They are trying and they are spending money. And are getting things done.

You have to give respect to the business plan they are developing - and the fact they are doing all of this also gives Amiga, INc (or rather OS 4.0 and Hyperion) more reason to keep going - and helping out Amiga (not the management) the iea behind the 1985 Jay Miner concept of such a excellent OS.

Somebody has to do the job - and apparently somepeople are!

Congratulations to Bill Buck and Kermit. Business innovation is a talent to both of these two people and the companies they run.
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Posted by Targhan on 29-Oct-2003 02:55 GMT
Think of the SuperBundle more like a sampler of sorts. Bundled applications does have plusses and minuses. Hopefully, this bundle will provide more positives than negatives.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 29-Oct-2003 03:28 GMT
Thank you mr.Woodall.. a lot of work would not have been done here without IFX as I use it almost daily. First on Amiga and lately on a Pegasos.

Any chance of updates, by the way?
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Posted by greenboy on 29-Oct-2003 03:33 GMT
In most software categories, if not all, the Amiga has not had a lot of companies competing. And as some here have noted, a couple of titles in the same category are avavilable in the Superbundle. This is unlike the Mac scenario where Apple actually bought companies that made titles in various categories, and this made it tough for third-parties to compete with Apple's bundled titles - and as a result has been driving companies who have not been bought away from the Mac platform.

In the case of the Superbundle, companies are able to work with Genesi to include their titles and be assured they are on fair footing with others who have that same opportunity. Companies are thus able to make money when included in the Superbundle and don't have to fear that an in-house app will make life rougher for them than it already is.

We are trying to find a balance that fits the situation, that can woprk for everybody involved. I think the inclusion of a MorphoS-tweaked ImageFX shows that we are doing something that works for companies and users.

I look forward to renewing my use of an upgraded ImageFX, and guess that most likely I will have the chance to check out Aladdin 4D as part of a later Superbundle  :  }
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Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 29-Oct-2003 03:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (hooligan/dcs):
Well, I've downloaded the PowerStation. Lightning is actually reallllllly fast now. :) Yay! (Granted, I don't use lightining that much.)

It's added-value even for those of us that bought v4.5 previously.
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Posted by T_Bone on 29-Oct-2003 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
> Every application that is given away with the OS is an application that no-one
> will pay money for.

IOW's they don't HAVE to! Christ man, intentionally limiting your product so you can nickel and dime for additional damage is no way to attract customers. this is NOT an established platform, your goal is to *attract users* not drive them away by setting financial landmines in front of them.

> How many payware web browsers are there for Windows?

Who cares how many "PAY" browsers there are? how many "BROWSERS" are there? You need *USERS* before you can entice developers! "Come to our platform, so you can buy everything you need" is NOT a good sales pitch.

I'm shaking my head in disbelief.
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 21 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 29-Oct-2003 05:57 GMT
YES! Color icons! =D

( i just had to ;)
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 22 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 29-Oct-2003 06:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Every application that is given away with the OS is an application that no-one will pay money for. How many payware web browsers are there for Windows? I can only think of Opera, and they only survive because their browser is multiplatform (IIRC they pay their bills from the cellphone version).

--

two, atleast, iriver and opera. And they both own IE, next..
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 23 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by DC on 29-Oct-2003 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Hagge):
> YES! Color icons! =D

NO! Full color icons!!! Me wonder from which KDE icon bundle they are. LOL
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Posted by Hagge on 29-Oct-2003 06:51 GMT
Regarding this bundle this and that or not.

To begin with it's often lite version and not full versions since the producer want the chance to get some money. And demos has been out there for long for all sort of stuff and have never hurt anyone. If some other country want to get some intrest from potential costumers they can easily release a demo aswell.

Secondly I think genesi gladely accept any contributions to the super bundle so even if there already exist say a video editing software they would accept yours aswell if you want to have it added, so anyone can be there if they want to.

Third many of the apps is probably quite old and outdated software, thought still usable (i might be wrong on this one), so if a complete new company went over to genesi and morphos (thought i don't understand why as far as the market is so small, but that might change in the long run) and want to release a new version of their software chances are it's that much better that it would make sence to buy it anyway. To begin with, why would you make an inferior product than one already available? And how do you think you'll earn something from that?

Only chance to get some users and keep them is to actually have a usable computer, a usable computer includes software, and without the superbundle and a few native morphos apps most people would probably just go fish on aminet but wouldn't be able to use the pegasos for all their needs and then it's more or less screwed.

Microsoft understood that the web would actually become something so they had to make a program for it.

Zeta probably includes quite a few builtin apps except the kernel, filesystem and desktop.

Apple even makes most of the used software on the platform just because if they didn't the apple would lack even more applications and would be harder to sell. The problem in there case is of course that if their products are better than another commercial company in the apple world they would have a hard time to survive. On the other side I don't see why apple would make a program in the same area as they already got program support from another company.

Anyway I hope the superbundle will end up as some network services with lots of software and demos from which most users probably just install and try out a few and not all of them like it might be today. Just a collection of demos and simple programs for the plattform, that's all.
You might compare it to http://www.download.com/ or something, you can search for windows software and get a demo or freeware version of a program, but i don't see the problem with that one.
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Posted by Rich Woods on 29-Oct-2003 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (hooligan/dcs):
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Trusted user) on 29-Oct-2003 04:28:20

Thank you mr.Woodall.. a lot of work would not have been done here without IFX as I use it almost daily. First on Amiga and lately on a Pegasos.

Any chance of updates, by the way?
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Talk about pushing it!;)
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Posted by priest on 29-Oct-2003 08:09 GMT
Is there a possibility to buy pegasos with full & registered (installed even) versions of all those apps?

Peg2G4-professional package .... ?
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Posted by Gunne Steen on 29-Oct-2003 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (priest):
That might be a good idea for the future. Today, you can get all the applications on Super Bundle CD-Set, together with the Pegasos.
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 28 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 29-Oct-2003 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hagge):
IMHO, bundling is good way for software maker to gain market. I don't know how much Genesi does directly pay for those IFX -lites (and other bundled items) but whatever it is.. it's still needed income for remaining developers on these small and essentially dead markets of Amiga software. Besides offering working version in Bundle also helps new MorphOS users to see that this software is well behaving, been activelly developed and thus become good canditates for purchase.

Of course not all Pegasos owners need/want full versions of programs FxPaint and ImageFX, but on those... there is no loss on sales.
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Posted by José on 29-Oct-2003 09:46 GMT
Bundling is a nice way to kill the competition, wheter it's a lite version or freeware.
You mention theories, look at the facts. Kinda like what M$ckeysoft did.
It's true that an OS witthou apps... blah balh, yeah, but don't like at it from just one point of view. Personally I'm all against it.
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 30 of 43ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 29 (José):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: shouting
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Posted by T_Bone on 29-Oct-2003 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (T_Bone):
Disregard last post, I'm drinking way too much expresso this morning.
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Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 29-Oct-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (José):
Perhaps to a certain degree if you were to bundle only one brand of a certain category product .. however, as you can clearly see, there's no stopping any decent app getting bundled (FXPaint and ImageFX are after all "competitors", yet both are now bundled)...

IMO this form of bundling not only revives market interest (by essentially letting users play with fully functional "demos" if you will, and thus perhaps inspire them to upgrade to a newer and more powerful version), but should also make it more attractive to developers as they have a good opportunity to get new users through an advantageous channel...


- CISC
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Posted by Marcus Sundman on 29-Oct-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Hagge):
> two, atleast, iriver and opera

iriver???
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 34 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Oct-2003 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
"I'm not a Mac user so I'm a bit hazy on details, but Apple bundled something with MacOS X that was a clone of a program had been for sale for years, and pretty much killed it. "

My dear chap, you are talking nonsense.

Yes, MacOS X bundles a lot of apps with it. But that doesn't mean they kill off other apps providers.

Take email. MacOS X has a very capable EMail client built in.
HOWEVER, there is still a very healthy market for Mac email clients other than the built-in one.

Bundling a CUT DOWN version of IFX with MorphOS will NOT kill off any competitors to IFX (can you name any, btw?). What it DOES do is show potential purchasers of MOS that there are plenty of apps already available for it.

Doesn't stop anyone from writing a competitor to IFX (although they'd be hard pushed to come up with something better in this case, but that's because IFX is so damned good!)

Oh, and as for MS bundling IE with Windows? Yeah, they do. No, it hasn't killed off the browsers - there are plenty of alternative browsers available for Windows (Mozilla, Opera, Firebird, ...).
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 35 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 29-Oct-2003 16:27 GMT
What is Power Station?
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 36 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Targhan on 29-Oct-2003 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (3seas):
PowerStation is the PPC plugin set for ImageFX (modules, hooks, etc). It was decided since PowerStation was build into IFX_Lite that it would be a good idea to provide the PowerStation modules to current ImageFX users that also have a Pegasos.
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 37 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 29-Oct-2003 17:50 GMT
why wasin't ifx/ifxlite recompiled using the ppc mos compiler?
what issues are holding this back?
thanks for your time..

congratulations on moving things forward novadesign and genesi
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 38 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 29-Oct-2003 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (José):
Genesi doesn't own their bundled apps. That is a key difference between what they are doing, and what Microsoft does. Microsoft's goal being to destroy competitors in app space they are trying to take hold of, via bundling. Genesi is not in a position to be trying to "destroy" competitors, they aren't in the apps market at this point.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Oct-2003 19:02 GMT
Excellent news!

ImageFX is the one main app I miss from my Amiga days (it was the reason I kept my aging A4k running for so long until it dies completely).

So to hear it is now available for MorphOS is excellent - it does actually give me the final incentive I needed to go and buy a Pegasos.

One question - I still have my ImageFX 4.5 CD from my Amiga - does that work in conjunction wih the superbundle demo to give the full release?

Right, off to find somewhere to buy a Pegasos2...
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 40 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 29-Oct-2003 19:17 GMT
When will we see avi compatibility in ifx? I've been longing for something like that for ages.
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 41 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Oct-2003 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
You just have to download the somewhat improved Powerstations Pack, also available
through the Superbundle.
ImageFX Lite and PowerStation added to the SuperBundle : Comment 42 of 43ANN.lu
Posted by A3K on 30-Oct-2003 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Hagge):
two, atleast, iriver and opera. And they both own IE, next..
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Ok...
and iriver and opera own less than 1% of the windows market of a billion users...

How much money will a commercial coder make off of 1% of the Amiga market?

How many new users will come to Amiga / MorphOS if they have to pay for an app to gain functionality that is as much a part of Windows as the pointer?
A web browser is as much an application that can be sold apart from the OS as an air conditioner is an option that can be sold apart from an automobile.

I'm not buying a car without an air conditioner.
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Posted by José on 31-Oct-2003 07:58 GMT
I was talking about bundling in general.....
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