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[Events] OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought!ANN.lu
Posted on 03-Nov-2003 15:58 GMT by Mikey C23 comments
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SEAL & ANT come together to publicly demonstrate OS4 in less than 13 days time! South Essex Amiga Link are pleased to announce that it will be demonstrating AmigaOS4 running on an AmigaOne at it's next group meeting. The meeting will be held on Friday Nov 14th, between 7pm to 11pm, In Basildon, Essex.

On Sunday 16th November SEAL will once more demonstrate AmigaOS4 running on an AmigaOne machine, by travelling to the Amiga North Thames group meeting, being held in Enfield, NE London, between the hours of 1pm to 5pm.

See it, touch it and watch OS4 running natively on an Amiga! Everyone is welcome, admittance is free.

For venue directions please see:
SEAL: http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk
ANT:
http://www.amiganorththames.co.uk

Please note, this is not a show, there will be no dealers, no speakers,etc.

OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 1 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 03-Nov-2003 15:33 GMT
ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION!!!

Please note, The actual date for Amiga North Thames meeting is this coming Sunday 9th of November. Do not attend the 16th as we won't be there!

It's sooner thank I thought too!

Mikey C
Amiga North Thames Chairman
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 2 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 03-Nov-2003 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mikey C):
Thats great news! Looks like those that couldn't make it to Bath will get a chance to see OS4.

However, even if you're going to that, please consider coming to the OS4 on Tour Event in Bath as well. We'll have Alan Redhouse, OS4 running on multiple A1s, the MicroA1 etc.
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 3 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 03-Nov-2003 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Peter Gordon):
As I said, we are gonna discuss getting a mini bus down there

besides, ours isn't a show, there is no dealers, no speakers
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 4 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 03-Nov-2003 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mikey C):
Hehe, just a day after the Nov. 8th Eclipse and Saturn (Amiga's Sun sign ruler) in excellent aspects to the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter. :) Not THE party, but the tables turn more in Amiga's favor.

Future: Rising criticism of Microsoft/Windows, and rising popularity of Amiga as the alternative solution (especially when/if it goes x86/64--that's where it's going to fly).

This show will be so favored, it could make the news/TV.

--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 5 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 03-Nov-2003 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (EyeAm):
Meeting, rather.
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Posted by KenH on 03-Nov-2003 19:02 GMT
>This show will be so favored, it could make the news/TV.


Call me a dobting Thomas, but I'll believe it when I see it. Not that I doubt it will ever get on TV...just far too soon.
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Posted by XraalE on 03-Nov-2003 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (EyeAm):
w00t?!?

Did it ever occur to you that Windows will be extremely more likely to get to x86/64 first, and will become much less criticised because of the speed of that range of CPUs?
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Posted by EyeAm on 03-Nov-2003 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (XraalE):
I've said it before, and I'll say it again :) It does not matter what speed the fan you throw sh*t into, it is still sh*t--even if it hits the wall faster.

--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 9 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Nov-2003 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (EyeAm):
lol

good analogy
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 10 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Sicky on 03-Nov-2003 21:39 GMT
Those wishing to attend the SEAL meeting on the 14th November (7PM - 11PM) in Essex will find directions to get to the venue here:

http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk/meetings.html
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 11 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Alan L Buxey on 04-Nov-2003 06:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (XraalE):
the chips happen to be faster because of the ongoing MHz drive...theres
nothign inherently faster about 64bit chips for general applications.

64bit CPU's can access vastly more memory and do certain mathematical operations in just one bite. for Joe Public, the money is better off spent
on a decent gfx card and ergonomic kit (monitor, kb/mouse, decent chair/desk etc)

alan
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Posted by minator on 04-Nov-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Alan L Buxey):
>the chips happen to be faster because of the ongoing MHz drive...
>theres nothign inherently faster about 64bit chips for general applications.

Not quite true,
In terms of calculation no there's no advantage as it's the same number of operations per cycle.
But for operations which manipulate memory they will get a boost as you need less instructions to handle them. Memory copy operations will get a boost simply because the registers are bigger.

>64bit CPU's can access vastly more memory and do certain mathematical
>operations in just one bite. for Joe Public, the money is better off spent
>on a decent gfx card and ergonomic kit (monitor, kb/mouse, decent chair/desk etc)

For Joe public I think you're quite right - at least at the moment.
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Posted by John Block on 04-Nov-2003 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (minator):
Bought as a bundle,pricing is very close and the chips demand faster motherboards so the overall build would be better.

For example:

http://www.multivision.co.uk/showdet.php?id=150
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 14 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Nov-2003 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Alan L Buxey):
Alan writes
'the chips happen to be faster because of the ongoing MHz drive...theres
nothign inherently faster about 64bit chips for general applications. '

32-bit Athlon XP is 5-10% slower then the Athlon 64 running 32-bit applications at the same Mhz. Thus, characterizing by Mhz isn't quite correct as a larger L2 Cache, a 6.4GB/s bus structure, and a better branch prediction algorithm make the Athlon 64 faster then the Athlon XP at the same Mhz. Accordingly on the Mhz drive the Athlon 64 has a longer integer pipeline which means it will be able to scale to faster Mhz then the Athlon XP.

As for 'nothign inherently faster about 64bit chips for general applications. ' That is true depending on what you define as a general application. 64-bit has the ability to handle more memory and does faster FPU processing. Handling more memory means that those general applications which are utilizing Virtual Memory can be improved by moving to 64-bit and allowing more physical memory to be installed. 64-bit FPU is good for 3D gaming as higher quality graphics can be used and handled at higher frame rates compared to 32-bit. But, if your general application is word processing the 64-bit user will not see any real advantage.
The change from 32bits to 64bits is a bigger step then the upgrade from 16bits to 32bits.


Alan also wrote:
'64bit CPU's can access vastly more memory and do certain mathematical operations in just one bite. for Joe Public, the money is better off spent
on a decent gfx card and ergonomic kit (monitor, kb/mouse, decent chair/desk etc)'
I'd agree with you Joe Public is about running Office applications a a couple of games. A Pentium II 300Mhz is more then adequate for most users running MS Word. I'd even disagree with a decent gfx card. Any current graphic card has more then adequate 2D processing for an Office, Joe Public, application. The people who need 64-bit are the heavy gamers and heavy multimedia processing in the consumer market with databases being the consideration in the business market.

What processes will improve in 64-bit? TV/Video processing: Think of a 64-bit Amiga doing a Video Toaster type of application. WOW give me one now! Speech Recognition software. Multimedia processing -- today this is handled with specialized DSP's. If you can eliminate the specialized DSP you may be able to reduce the cost and complexity. 3-D modeling will be improved. Internet Movie Streaming. Here's a good example: Adobe released a G5 64-bit plugin for Photoshop and claims it provides double performance gains on image processing over the 32-bit version. If you read through the list of applications improved by 64-bit they strike at something.... THIS IS AMIGA TERRORITY! G5 AMIGA NOW!
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 15 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 04-Nov-2003 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Internet Movie Streaming may become of great interest to Joe Public
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Nov-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Incorrect... In the real world environment an office desktop should be up to speed with MS Office which is Office XP therefore mandating Windows XP! Therefore, the minumum requirement for WinXP/OfficeXP is a Pentium III 5550mhz with at least 256MB RAM and an 8GB HD.
Trust me when I say anything less is counter productive.
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 17 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Nov-2003 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Up to speed with MS Office is MS Office 2003?
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 18 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 05-Nov-2003 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Gee how off topic can you get?

AOS4 anyone?
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 19 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 05-Nov-2003 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mikey C):
It's on topic as a compare and contrast.

One guy on irc uses his amigaone for watching tv programs saved off the net.

My ex ebay 800mhz pc laptop stutters then freezes up when showing video.
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 20 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Eric_Z on 06-Nov-2003 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (John Block):
How odd, using my old 800Mhz Dell Optiplex running Mandrake 9.2 I could watch fullsceen videos with no "video preformance problems" at all.
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 21 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 06-Nov-2003 17:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Eric_Z):
Probably windows 98

Some files run ok.
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 22 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 06-Nov-2003 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Eric_Z):
OK, got wondering and ran sisoftware sandra turns out it is 551mhz
OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought! : Comment 23 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Bad choice of words on 09-Nov-2003 12:15 GMT
"OS4! In the UK, sooner than you thought!"

Sooner than November 2001?
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