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[News] Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDKANN.lu
Posted on 09-Nov-2003 15:36 GMT by Martin 'Senex' Heine78 comments
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Genesi has begun discussions with REBOL to integrate portions of REBOL into a free developer package for the MorphOS Developer Connection - or maybe even a full REBOL package for a "Pegasos SDK" covering all supported operating systems on Genesi's hardware. At MorphOS-News.de Genesi invites everyone to a brainstorming about interest in and advantages of REBOL's integration into MorphOS. MorphOS-News.de reports:

"Genesi has begun discussions with REBOL to integrate portions of REBOL into a free developer package for the MorphOS Developer Connection. Genesi would pay REBOL a license fee for such a package and may bundle REBOL with the MorphOS SDK. The Corporate REBOL site can be found here.

All interested in such an arrangement, please express your interest here on this thread. Please be specific about your interest and the advantages you can see in the integration of REBOL into the next generation of MorphOS."
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 1 of 78ANN.lu
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Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 2 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 09-Nov-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Hi Mr. 209.234.160.76, trace route to a San Diego Time Warner broadband subscriber... You can call us if you have any guts. We are San Diego now too. We are staying at the Hilton on Mission Bay.

This is a thread we did not start. If you have no interest, just do not read the thread. We are interested in understanding if REBOL would have value to any developers working on any OS running on the Pegasos.

Sincerely,
R&B
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 3 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 09-Nov-2003 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
>Hi Mr. 209.234.160.76, trace route to a San Diego Time Warner broadband >subscriber... You can call us if you have any guts. We are San Diego now too. We >are staying at the Hilton on Mission Bay.

"Genesi evaluating the dose of sedatives given to Bill daily, looking to increase"
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 4 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 09-Nov-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
Seriously, you don't think doing a simple poll on morphos-news would be enough? I mean, I really don't see the point in trying to raise an active interest in this issue from the entire online Amiga community. This is only a concern for your little 600 "even-more-exotic-platform" user base, no need to proclaim it to the world, you know.
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Posted by IamCleverToo on 09-Nov-2003 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
@Anonymous (209.234.160.76)
"Hopefully this post will be deleted. I only like to read the same news ever day"

I hope your post gets deleted. You have not said anything constructive. You are adding no value to the conversation.

I am guessing that you are posting from a windowsXP based PC or from a Linux system. So what are YOU doing here?

I think its great to see some of the people who literally invented (a part of) the Amiga platform coming back to help out in little ways. This is what we need.

We don't need you, so go find a different website to support your own values. bye!
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Posted by IamCleverToo on 09-Nov-2003 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (corpse):
@corpse (80.235.142.54)

"Genesi evaluating the dose of sedatives given to Bill daily, looking to increase"

So corpse, are you Mr. 209.234.160.76?
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Posted by IamCleverToo on 09-Nov-2003 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (samface):
@samface (131.116.254.199)

"Seriously, you don't think doing a simple poll on morphos-news would be enough? I mean, I really don't see the point in trying to raise an active interest in this issue from the entire online Amiga community. This is only a concern for your little 600 "even-more-exotic-platform" user base, no need to proclaim it to the world, you know."

Samface, why do you show so much contempt and disrespect for some of the most creative people around, the inventors of the Amiga platform itself? Guys like RJ Michal and Carl Sassenrath.

We want to see these guys come back and add a little something and quite possibly give back to the community.

Guys, and potential anonymous posters, please think before you post. Stop this foolish, idiotic comments, and start to add value to this community. If not, you have a right to be embarassed. :-)
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Posted by Don Cox on 09-Nov-2003 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
REBOL surely has enormous possibilities. Development has obviously slowed down a bit since the dot com crash, but Carl keeps plugging on. IMO it is one of the few examples of genuine innovation around.

I would have thought it was essential for any OS that might be used for networked activities, especially cross-platform. Certainly both MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 should have good support for Rebol.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 9 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 09-Nov-2003 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (IamCleverToo):
"So corpse, are you Mr. 209.234.160.76?"

I wasn't last time I checked, just let me check ... ***ruffles*** ... nope.
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Posted by samface on 09-Nov-2003 17:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (IamCleverToo):
>Samface, why do you show so much contempt and disrespect for some of the most
>creative people around, the inventors of the Amiga platform itself? Guys like
>RJ Michal and Carl Sassenrath.

I seriously don't recollect mentioning any of those names nor aiming any comments in their direction. I replied to bbrv's request for people interested in having REBOL for MorphOS, that's all. I have full respect for both RJ's and Carl's work on the classic Amiga back in the middle 80's, though I fail to see how any of that would be relevant to the topic at hand.
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Posted by bbrv on 09-Nov-2003 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (samface):
Well, if you have a sincere interest let us paint a picture for you Sammy.

Think of a *Phoenix SDK* that allows developers thrrough REBOL to work with any of the Operating Systems supported on the Pegasos. can you see the advantages?

R&B
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Posted by samface on 09-Nov-2003 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (bbrv):
Again, for your little club of 600 Pegasos owners, sure. And if Carl decides to go ahead and do a native MorphOS version of the REBOL SDK for you, then I'm seriously happy for you. However, I still fail to see why you try to raise an interest in this outside of the MorphOS/Pegasos community. I mean, if I don't have an interest in the Pegasos nor MorphOS, why would I be interested in a native version of the REBOL SDK for it?

I wouldn't mind a version for AmigaOS4, though. =)
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Posted by bbrv on 09-Nov-2003 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (samface):
...well Sammy that is the whole point, and forthe other operating systems to be supported too.

Sometimes it takes you a while. ;-)

R&B
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 09-Nov-2003 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (samface):
Wouldn't the current Amiga REBOL version work for MorphOS which supposedly emulates the AmigaOS API?

ANd I don't think I understood the article, are you asking whether there is an interest in adding an SDK for a third party language in the MorphOS SDK? If so, I hope you guys won't ask the public every little detail on what you should include or not include in future products. :)

"Hey guys, should we use a pink or an orange background on the preferences window of app X?", lol :D
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Posted by smithy on 09-Nov-2003 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (samface):
>I mean, I really don't see the point in trying to raise an active interest in >this issue from the entire online Amiga community

A REBOL port is being considered for an Amiga-like system. I see that as interesting information.

Anyway, I don't recall you complaining about all that AmigaDE news that used to be posted that really didn't have any relevance to the Amiga community, back in the days when AmigaOS was "classic" and "dead as a platform".
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 09-Nov-2003 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Nicolas Mendoza):
> Wouldn't the current Amiga REBOL version work for MorphOS which supposedly
> emulates the AmigaOS API?

Aren't you guys tired of constantly trolling yet? Doesn't this news interest you? It's ok, just move on, or is that too hard?
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Posted by -pekr- on 09-Nov-2003 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Nicolas Mendoza):
While it may be true that Rebol for AmigaOS could be used, it does not answer the question.

1) Rebol/View amiga version is 1.2.1 version, while most of platforms are using beta 1.2.8 or even 1.2.10 version

2) REBOL/SDK is more than that - it adds support for Rebol/Command, having abilities like strong encryption, odbc, mysql, oracle driver, library and shell interface, it enables you to pack your scripts and generate executables.

The reason why bbrv is asking about possible rebol support is becaues if so, it would probably require further negotiation with RT, as any amiga related stuff is not their priority nowadays imo.

And what would it bring to MorphOS? Basic networking scripting environment, easy gui creator tool - scripts that would work on other platforms would simply work under MorphOS too.

Many ppl think Rebol is one of the cooles language concepts of last decade. And I think that Carl has already plans how to take rebol one step further ... we will see ...

Cheers,
-pekr-
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Posted by JoannaK on 09-Nov-2003 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fabio Alemagna):
Looks like this is beocming another 600+´post off topic thread.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 19 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 09-Nov-2003 20:01 GMT
Rebol is a seriously cool scripting language.

I program mostly in tcl/tk when trying to use a high level scripting language, but I like rebol too.
And as Rebol progresses (quite frankly its behind tcl/tk in some areas...but more advanced in others)....I like Rebol more and more.

If they had the same kind of easy database access that you find in extensions to tcl/tk....well that would be a dramatic benefit to morphOS development.

Heck, just in the move announced I think there are some great possibilities, especially, if this is a standard component of MorphOS...then everyone can program in Rebol, and expect it to run.
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Posted by MarkTime on 09-Nov-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (MarkTime):
oh just read it again...this is as an add-on to a developer package.

well that sucks, would have to be integrated at the OS level, to be really cool.

Otherwise, I don't see any reason not to just use the windows version.
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Posted by samface on 09-Nov-2003 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (bbrv):
Support for MorphOS wouldn't mean support for AmigaOS4 since these two operating systems are not API compatible (unless the application would make use of the classic AmigaOS3.x APIs, but then one could just as well use the already existing AmigaOS version of REBOL). MorphOS specific software has no relevance with other platforms nor operating systems for the sole reason of beeing MorphOS specific. I'm sorry but I really don't understand your reasoning.
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Posted by samface on 09-Nov-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (smithy):
>A REBOL port is being considered for an Amiga-like system. I see that as
>interesting information.

"Amiga-like" is an opinion you are ofcourse entitled to. However, as far as I can tell by this article, it's still not decided wether this will actually happen and it seems that it will only happen if there is enough of interested MorphOS users. That makes it more than reasonable to say that it would be better if they targeted this survey at MorphOS users only on MorphOS specific forums/websites.

Wouldn't it be ironic if it would turn out to be alot more interested Amiga users than Pegasos/MorphOS users and that Carl decides drop the MorphOS version and wait for AmigaOS4 instead?
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Posted by John on 09-Nov-2003 22:07 GMT
I see the Amiga Inc no1 hardcore defender is at it again on MorphOS threads, why not start up your own "we luv ya Amiga Inc even though you told us our platform is dead" thread.
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Posted by JoannaK on 09-Nov-2003 22:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (MarkTime):
Well. it's a start. I have no idea what'll it leads to. But Imho it's interesting.
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Posted by itix on 09-Nov-2003 22:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (samface):
Can't you just discuss this in another thread? There is "Add News Items" link or alternatively you can start thread in a.org/aw.net. Thanks for you co-operation.
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Posted by gary_c on 10-Nov-2003 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (samface):
samface wrote:
> > A REBOL port is being considered for an Amiga-like system. I see that as
> > interesting information.

> "Amiga-like" is an opinion you are ofcourse entitled to. However, as far as I can tell by this article, it's still not decided wether this will actually happen and it seems that it will only happen if there is enough of interested MorphOS users.

No, not necessarily just MorphOS users, I think, but also others interested in the Pegasos platform. One reason things like this get announced to a wider audience than just current MOS users (who are already reachable via internal mailing lists anyway), is that it is a good idea to try to expand interest in a fledgling computer platform. The idea of Rebol actively supported on MorphOS *and other OSs running on Pegasos* would be an incentive for new users to get involved.

> That makes it more than reasonable to say that it would be better if they targeted this survey at MorphOS users only on MorphOS specific forums/websites.

As I said, I don't believe that's the intention. If Genesi were only interested in current users, there are ways to contact them. The point is to generate wider interest in the platform as well. This is also called business promotion; this is what healthy businesses do.

> Wouldn't it be ironic if it would turn out to be alot more interested Amiga users than Pegasos/MorphOS users and that Carl decides drop the MorphOS version and wait for AmigaOS4 instead?

So be it, if it turns out that way. You see, then, how all kinds of potential interesting possibilities await? ;-) (Corollary: there's no need for such negativism.)

-- gary_c
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 27 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Nov-2003 03:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (samface):
"Wouldn't it be ironic if it would turn out to be a lot more interested Amiga users than Pegasos/MorphOS users and that Carl decides drop the MorphOS version and wait for AmigaOS4 instead?"

It would be best if both AOS4 and MorphOS were highly successful and Rebol worked well on both.
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Posted by Hagge on 10-Nov-2003 06:03 GMT
retarded trolls ..
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 29 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 10-Nov-2003 06:22 GMT
this sounds good and modern technology is somethin morph needs more of.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 30 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Nov-2003 07:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (IamCleverToo):
Coming Back? Genesi is going after them.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 31 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Nov-2003 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (samface):
Why? To say "We got something you don't got". IE. Amiga Digniaries
Which in most cases is not even a done deal, they just like to pass it off as one. It's all about image. Substance has nothing to do with it. In the end it's just sales.
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Posted by samface on 10-Nov-2003 07:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (gary_c):
>This is also called business promotion; this is what healthy businesses do.

So, you're saying that they are using the mere possibility of support for REBOL as a sales argument? And then people whine about Amiga Inc. using non-existing future possibilities as sales arguments... :-/
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Posted by samface on 10-Nov-2003 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (John):
What's up with this weird "if you love x, you have to hate y or if you hate x, you have to love y" mentality? Things simply are not that simple, my friend.
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Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 10-Nov-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (-pekr-):
@perk:

ahh, wasn't aware. I thought Carl & co kept the amiga versions up to date too. I loved Rebol, but it never turned out what I hoped it would be.
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Nov-2003 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (samface):
Who says this is nonexistent and it won't happen? What I have seen about Genesi announcements they usually don't announce wihtout cause. I'm not saying that everything would be available on same day, but quite often the work has been started by the time BBRV makes announcement.

For MorphOS alone .. There are upcoming Office tools that should be fit for this century. A lot Mos/PPC native applications like paint programs, image manipulation, audio and music making. And I'm only commenting on real programs that have been publicly demoed on shows this year and are well in progress. I'd like to see PPC native and updated Rebol on my Pegasos.

And for Other OS:es.. Rebol is a nice tool cause it's allready available to plenty of platforms and can run same source on all of them without any modifications. See this for reference http://www.rebol.com/platforms.shtml
For example .. Making an application that works on Macs, MorhphOS, QNX, *BSD, Beos, windows and Linux.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 36 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 10-Nov-2003 09:24 GMT
It's about time this great language gets updated on *migaos!
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 37 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 10-Nov-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (JoannaK):
>Who says this is nonexistent and it won't happen?

As far as I know, a MorphOS native version of REBOL still does not exist as of today since we have yet to see the announcement from Genesi and/or REBOL Technologies. Correct me if I'm wrong. Furthermore, I do believe the point with this request for an interest in a MorphOS version of REBOL is to convince the people behind REBOL that it's worth while. Hopefully, they will be convinced, but it's way too early to say that it definitly will happen, hence my reason for defining this as still not certain.
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Posted by ikir_spirit on 10-Nov-2003 10:16 GMT
"Seriously, you don't think doing a simple poll on morphos-news would be enough?"

Yes. But you know how Genesi works..... :-/
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Nov-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (ikir_spirit):
There are already Poll on MorphZone, couple discussions on Pegasos and Phoenix related Mailing lists .. And what I have seen, reaction is extremely positive and supporting towards this action.

Afterall this ain't just about getting new PPC-native binary of Rebol to MorphOS, it's a lot wider idea and I like the possibilities it'll open on cross platform coding.
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Nov-2003 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (samface):
Samface: Yep.. it ain't here yet. And there is allways possibility the deal won't be made. But at this point I can hope it happens.

This is interesting week.. A lot of neat stuff happening (or about to happen). :)
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 41 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 10-Nov-2003 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (samface):
Samface you are sounding more and more like a deliberate troll every day.

BTW your count of 600 MOS users is about 600 more than there are OS4 users. People in glass houses..yadda yadda yadda..
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 42 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 10-Nov-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (redrumloa):
So let's get this straight...

You accuse samface of deliberately trolling, yet go on to deliberately troll. I know you were trying to make a point - but there are better ways of doing it.

Two wrongs don't make a right, so they say...

Ian
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Posted by samface on 10-Nov-2003 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (redrumloa):
>BTW your count of 600 MOS users is about 600 more than there are OS4 users.

Irrelevant and thereefore ignored. This issue only concerns this small group of people rather than the entire community and I say this because it seems like Genesi is about to repeat the same mistakes as Amiga Inc. did by prematurely announcing new products and partnerships. Wouldn't it be better if they made this request for interest to those it concerns and wait with the big announcements until they actually have something to announce? Anyway, it was just a suggestion rather than an attempt to troll. I mean, atleast I thought a suggestion was a sign of constructive criticism.
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 10-Nov-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (samface):
"Wouldn't it be ironic if it would turn out to be alot more interested Amiga users than Pegasos/MorphOS users and that Carl decides drop the MorphOS version and wait for AmigaOS4 instead?"

The true irony lies in the fact that REBOL as a language isn't going anywhere. If you're already into REBOL and has been so for the past three years (like yours truely here) you're likely to notice that no new official version of REBOL/View has been released for well over 18 months, maybe two years. The beta releases 1.2.5, 1.2.8, and 1.2.10 has fixed some bugs and added the odd function, but no _real_ progress has been made and REBOL Technologies has more or less satated that they're targeting the corporate market with their REBOL/IOS (not sure how they fare in that department though). The language and platform as such is left to dangle which is a great shame.

For all its technical glory, REBOL can't compete with outher script languages as long as you can't have shell access without buying REBOL/View/Pro. If you _only_ have got the corporations in your crosshair, fine, but where would e.g. Linux be if it only were meant for corporations? Where would Microsoft be if it never entered the consumer market with Windows?

I for one wish that I could portrait REBOL in a better light in my BSc essay than I presently can.

Now, for not being 100% OT and OTT, I'd like to add that Genesi's talks with RT can become relevant if and only if they can convince RT that Genesi is capable of building a much greater user base than the mere ~600 that exists today.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 45 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 10-Nov-2003 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (samface):
"Furthermore, I do believe the point with this request for an interest in a MorphOS version of REBOL is to convince the people behind REBOL that it's worth while. Hopefully, they will be convinced, but it's way too early to say that it definitly will happen, hence my reason for defining this as still not certain."

Indeed it is. I'm still waiting for RT to RECOMPILE core and view for OpenBSD 3.4/i386 as OpenBSD switched from a.out to ELF making life a b**** to get REBOL to run.
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Posted by redrumloa on 10-Nov-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (samface):
>I say this because it seems like Genesi is about to repeat the same mistakes
>as Amiga Inc.

I can't agree. Genesi thus far have followed through on pretty much everything they announced and aren't affraid to bankroll something they think will further their platform. As Gary_C stated reaching the current userbase is easy, but as any serious company would do they are trying to reach new customers. Gauging interest in something like this IMHO is a good idea. If they see they are able to reach potential new customers then it makes this a good investment. If they get a lukewarm to cold reception then why bother?

Maybe you weren't trying to troll but talking like "little 600 userbase" is inflamatory in the context you wrote it in. Genesi has been very open about their sales figures. I honestly think it is unfair to use that as a tool against them. Their competition has not been open so we can only speculate, but that is another story.

BTW: You really don't think that OS4 will sell more than a few thousand in it's first release do you? Don't get me wrong I wish Hyperion well, and hope to one day give it a try on my Pegasos. However after all this time has passed I don't see there being more than 2000 sales on initial launch. IMO(and only my opinion) the Pegasos II sales by then will make the MOS userbase the same or larger than the OS4 userbase. Once again my opinion, don't take as a bash of one party or another. My opinion also doesn not reflect that of my employer, etc.
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Posted by DaveP on 10-Nov-2003 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (redrumloa):
Redrumloa

I thought you were self employed starting up anacronism industries? Which I notice has been delayed to January.

Cue jokes about your opinion not representing your opinion universe ending etc.

I havent seen any Peg 2 reviews yet, or comments from users, are they actually on sale yet? Is this ( huge leap of speculation time ) why Anacronism Industries is delayed to the new year - maybe to pick up Peg 2 second wave ( the first run is 600 right ) or Peg3 ?



Dave.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 48 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by cahva on 10-Nov-2003 13:31 GMT
And that "600 userbase" gets larger when MOS is publicly released to Classic Amigas.
Genesi evaluating interest in Rebol for Pegasos SDK : Comment 49 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 10-Nov-2003 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (DaveP):
Wow thanks for the slam Dave, I didn't expect that from you. I was speaking for myself as a user, not the company. Yes the employer coment here was a joke. I guess the day has come sooner than expected. I can no longer speak as a user and must bow out of public discussion completely. It's probably for the best, and no I don't mean because of your one post here.

BTW for the record at the present time I have not been in contact with Genesi, so please don't imply one thing has to do with the other. Genesi is not a business partner and there are no plans at present to carry their product.
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Posted by bbrv on 10-Nov-2003 13:55 GMT
Thanks for the positive words Redrumloa, Joanna, Ian and Gary. The idea was to get a few opinions and reasons why it might be a good idea. It seems so and we will now work toward accomplishing the task at hand.

Our discussions with Carl will be focused on using REBOL as a universal tool for all operating systems running on the platform. Clearly, MorphOS is our number one long term priority with all this moving toward the mobile environment, but there could be great benefit in uniting all the Pegasos supported operating systems through REBOL.

It also seems an interesting way to further improve the stature of the Phoenix Developer Consortium as a clearing house for all things Pegasos.

We will do our best to further the action required as quickly as we can.

DaveP, you know the Pegasos is on sale now here:

https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php

The October production has been shipped to a very important customer that you know only too well...;-) The November production has already been/is/will be sold out. We will be over 1000 Pegasos users shortly. Plus, the 684 number does not include the 150+/- Betatesters that we recycled under the Phoenix Phreeboard program.

cahva, we demonstrated MorphOS for the Classic Amigas a few weeks ago in Poland and will probably release it before the end of the year. It is almost ready and it will be free.

R&B
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