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[News] Are MorphOS users geeky enough?ANN.lu
Posted on 12-Nov-2003 22:32 GMT by tokai75 comments
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Maybe you remember the saying "The 'M' in Morphos stands for 'geek'!" ? Yes, it's true and we MorphOS users are much more geeky than the other geeks from Linux and Co. Sadly it hasn't been possible for us ubergeeks to enjoy a port of the ultimative geektool of the known universe simply because nobody of us so called ubergeeks ported the damn thing. I'm talking about MLdonkey. :)

But good news!!! A few months ago we locked CISC into a dingy cellar and told him he couldn't come out until he finished the Objective-Caml port, which was a required and important step for porting MLdonkey. We haven't heard from him for a very long time, and we couldn't be bothered to check. But all of a sudden he emerged from his dark dungeon. Fortunately (or maybe I should better say: unfortunately ;) he had finished OCaml and surprisingly also MLdonkey.

If you find CISC then thank him for this nifty port, sadly when I last saw him he was running away screaming 'THE DARKNESS CONSUMES US! WE ARE ONE WITH THE VOID!'.

Well, actually we've done this releases just for fun. The port is not finished, it still misses a GUI (hey, isn't this more geeky than the Linux version? Isn't it?). Also most of the 'Bonus' stuff was more or less been done in a very creepy and probably unusabl... i mean geeky way. We're still on the lookout for someone with some actual talent, so that we can all kick back and boss him around. So if for some insane reason you wish to volunteer in coding the MUI GUI then try to catch CISC on IRC or via eMail, else don't bother him or he will run away again.

Anyway, here you find out more.



WE ARE SO GEEKY! WHOOHOO! :)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 1 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 13-Nov-2003 01:11 GMT
Who is more impressive -- CISC for the software or Tokai for the description? :-) Both are great!

-- gary_c
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 2 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 01:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (gary_c):
Why is it that everyone is so happy about the release of a tool that is 90% used by pirates? I'm sure that there must be at least 10 political dissidents in China who use these kinds of program for something legitimate, but the other few hundred million users are all getting mp3z, divxz and warez (there's the pr0n too, but I somehow don't feel so bad about those guys losing sales...)

So, piracy killed the amiga the first time. Are we all getting an early start on killing this one too? wait at least until we *have* a software market, for crissakes :(
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 3 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 13-Nov-2003 01:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Well we all know that top of the list for Pegasos users to pirate/crack is OS4 ;-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 4 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 13-Nov-2003 01:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
> Why is it that everyone is so happy about the release of a tool that is 90% used by pirates?

Well, I'm happy because it's one more piece of software on the platform. Of course a tool can be used for good or bad; that responsibility lies with the user.

> I'm sure that there must be at least 10 political dissidents in China who use these kinds of program for something legitimate, but the other few hundred million users are all getting mp3z, divxz and warez (there's the pr0n too, but I somehow don't feel so bad about those guys losing sales...)

Yes, some legitimate filesharing and other kinds of content delivery ideas are being looked at for the Pegasos platform, which you probably know if you've followed bbrv's "look at this" posts, etc. The more relevant software applications exist for the platform, the more seriously potential partners will consider it.

> So, piracy killed the amiga the first time. Are we all getting an early start on killing this one too? wait at least until we *have* a software market, for crissakes :(

Again, it's up to the users to be responsible. A full range of applications gives a desktop platform cred; the piracy risk of having p2p apps for the platform is probably less a concern than the "no apps" image risk of not having them.

-- gary_c
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 5 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 13-Nov-2003 01:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
> Well we all know that top of the list for Pegasos users to pirate/crack is OS4 ;-)

I guess the winking smiley means what you wrote is b*llsh*t, right? In which case, why did you bother?

-- gary_c
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 6 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 13-Nov-2003 01:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (gary_c):
gary is right...freedom and responsibility...

Darrin, YOU can understand this.

Pop Quiz:

Here we have a loaded gun.

What will you do now?

a) Shoot yourself.
b) Shoot someone else.
c) Shoot someone who is trying to shoot someone else.
d) Go crazy! All the above.

Life is complicated.

Time for this community to give the heart a rest and start using the head!

:-D

R&B
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 7 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 13-Nov-2003 04:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
e:
none of the above, unless I really have to. I prefer shooting unsuspecting moose ;-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 8 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 04:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
Oh geez, you too? well, all I need now is for Fleecy to endorse this too, and then I know it's not even worth trying to write software for this platform. At least on Windoze they'll have Palladium, so even if you pirate software you won't be able to run it on the thieves' machine.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 9 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 04:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
OBTW: if I'm about to do something wrong, it's usually my heart that tells me it's wrong. My head is the one that's saying "it's easy, and odds are they'll never catch you"
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 10 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 05:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
The Piracy Giveth and It Taketh Away

;-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 11 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 13-Nov-2003 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
> Oh geez, you too? well, all I need now is for Fleecy to endorse this too, and then I know it's not even worth trying to write software for this platform.

Fleecy's actually in competition with this platform, which I'd expect you to know if you were in a position to write software for it. Anyway, if you're talking about Amiga, you know that there was piracy in that market for a lot longer than p2p programs have been around, so if people want to pirate, they'll have methods whether these programs are available or not.

> At least on Windoze they'll have Palladium, so even if you pirate software you won't be able to run it on the thieves' machine.

It's a difficult question, because of course software piracy is wrong and software authors have a right to be fairly compensated for their proprietary work. But we also have to think about contributors to the problem like single software applications that cost more than the machine they're running on (and this on desktop computers -- not workstations), and companies' shifting from sales to subscription programs solely to prop up profits, with no particular benefit for the customer. It's a circular problem, with a more repressive sales environment causing more consumers to rationalize piracy, which in turn causes companies to implement more "safeguards" that increase the product cost and reduce its convenience, further alienating the customer.

Maybe we need to break out of that cycle and assess all the factors. There are some innovations now in legitimate downloadable music for example. Genesi is also looking into such things, as I understand it. If you feel comfortable turning all responsibility over to Palladium, that's one option and you're free to use it. But personally I'd like to remain in control as a responsible customer as much as possible, which is one thing that attracts me to alternative platforms like Pegasos. And I can tell you that, as shown by things like the MorphOS SuperBundle arrangements, Genesi and Phoenix also want to be sure that the authors' interests are protected.

-- gary_c
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Nov-2003 07:12 GMT
From the readme:

" This should be enough, I think. At least for the first week, then you
should buy a few more harddisks to be sure you have enough space for the
p0rn (Juuhuu Hooligan!!! :) "


Come on.. I aint THAT bad :))))
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 13 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 13-Nov-2003 07:32 GMT
great work!
edonkey has one of the largest file sharing communities and
you can get a lot more wide variety and obscure stuff than kazaaa for instance.

congratulations and hpefully some amiga/mrph developers will make a mui interface
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 14 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 13-Nov-2003 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
Posted by Darrin (65.240.77.101) on 13-Nov-2003 02:28:18
In Reply to Comment 2:
Well we all know that top of the list for Pegasos users to pirate/crack is OS4 ;-)
________________

Yes, now there is also Vapour pirated software LOL
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 15 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 13-Nov-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
ahahah to cool BBRV!

PS
When are you bastard start to ship those Peggy2 for the "mass" market?
Have I to tell to my friend to buy a PCes enstead to wait other 2-3 months?
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 16 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by tokai on 13-Nov-2003 08:00 GMT
Hejo... we encountered some problems of zuul in combination with thttpd. it looks like the thttpd comes with too less stack. But it's easy to fix:

> cd <directory_with_thttpd_inside>
> ixstack 524288 thttpd

regards,
tokai
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 17 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 13-Nov-2003 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
Posted by Darrin (65.240.77.101) on 13-Nov-2003 02:28:18
> Well we all know that top of the list for Pegasos users to pirate/crack is OS4 ;-)

Heck, I'd think someone stuck with just linux would be more inclined to pirate an OS for his machine :D
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 18 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by AgryC on 13-Nov-2003 08:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (T_Bone):
@T_Bone

Does that smiley indicate BS, in which case why post it?

Waaaaaah!

;-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 19 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 13-Nov-2003 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
Hi all.

@Anonymous at comment 2

"So, piracy killed the amiga the first time."

Wrong. Not that I'm justifying piracy in ANY way, but the true reason was a VERY BAD management.

@bbrv

"Here we have a loaded gun."

The REAL question should be: "Given the fact that the only use of guns is shooting SOMEONE, do we REALLY need one?"

@all

Please name three friends who are using kazaa, emule, etc. for legitimate uses. Two anybody? One?

While you connect to unknown people, will you be downloading unknown files (docs, text, DB, whatever...) from them? I don't think so: you will download KNOWN files, such as known mp3, mpg, etc.

Saluditos,

Ferrán
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 20 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 13-Nov-2003 08:40 GMT
Piracy wasn't the only reason why amiga failed. If piracy could actually kill off an entire platform that is commercially viable, wouldn't that already be the case with pc's, playstation's etc? Yet these are the markets that have never been more strong.

What happened with amiga was poor management by C=, faster and tougher competition AND only then piracy. Amiga would have died even with no piracy at all as the technological gap between pc's/console's and amiga's hardware possibilities got more and more separated.

Game companies wanted to create bigger and better games, thus leaving to a platform which allowed them to do so in full 256 colour, faster and with more memory etc. Of course there was the lesser piracy catch there too but that was like having a bonus on top of a better view for future game developing.

Pc and console technology is leading the game evolution forward as more powerful hardware means better games can be produced. In the end of the amiga era it was way different. That was when game technology (ie. clever coding and optimizing) kept pushing the platform itself forward when it's hw wasn't strong enough so to speak. Amiga has games that not even the great Jay Miner thought were technologically possible because the hw limitations kept coders pushing their imagination in finding ways to do tricks with blitter and copper etc.

Modern hardware has all those few extra cycles and hw accelerations that can handle games which aren't optimized much and which consume insane amounts of hw resources.

Also on thse platform the piracy scene is bigger than it ever was on amiga. Yet game profits is what keeps game companies make bigger budget titles right after the other. That means it still has to be a profitable market even with huge piracy. I think blaming piracy for the death of amiga is an excuse for not wanting to face the fact that it would have died anyway due to far better competition.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 21 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by John on 13-Nov-2003 08:58 GMT
Wait a minute, your the guys what make excuses for a company what have openly stolen from Amiga users and you still continue to defend them BUT attack anyone that steals from Amiga companies.

Amiga Inc can f*ck the users over but the users must not do the same, very sad double standards from the die hards and all i say is pirate what the hell you want and be happy as it is acceptable.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 22 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
>Why is it that everyone is so happy about the release of a tool that is 90% used by pirates? Arrrr! Watch me keelhaul ye lousy landlubbers...
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 23 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
>Here we have a loaded gun.>>What will you do now?>>a) Shoot yourself.>b) Shoot someone else.>c) Shoot someone who is trying to shoot someone else.>d) Go crazy! All the above.>>Life is complicated. How about shooting someone who is going to shoot himself (to "protect" him)?Now it really becomes complicated...
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 24 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>At least on Windoze they'll have Palladium, so even if you pirate software you>won't be able to run it on the thieves' machine. Huh huh, aren't there kinda like 100mio PC with Win w/o Palladium?You think they are going away all of a sudden?
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 25 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by _Steve_ on 13-Nov-2003 10:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Eva):
Eva, you really need to look at your definition of Vapour. For OS4 to be vapour, it has to not be in existence, which is clearly not the case. Thus it can conceivably be pirated.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 26 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Rodney McDonell on 13-Nov-2003 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
I quite like how you didnt add the option of puting the gun down and walking away slowly or not shooting anyone :)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 27 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 13-Nov-2003 10:48 GMT
"The M in MorphOS stands for Moron".

Sorry, couldn't resist :)

Steffen
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 28 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Nov-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Steffen Haeuser):
Steffen... You know that you're well respected by me, please don't post such
insults...
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 29 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Hyperion pirate on 13-Nov-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Steffen Haeuser):
Hey Steffan i have downloaded some of Hyperions games and will be sharing them on this new P2P program.

Sorry couldn't resist u twat.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 30 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Hyperion pirate on 13-Nov-2003 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Hyperion pirate):
Yes i know i spelt that pigs name wrong but who cares, let the good pirating days continue.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 31 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Jerry Lew on 13-Nov-2003 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Steffen Haeuser):
You insultive piece of shit especially coming from a company what is supposed to be professional, your company deserves all the misfortunes it gets you revolting piece of vermin.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 32 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 13-Nov-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You noticed the smilie, didn't you ? Anyways, I am off of this thread...

BTW: If you are looking for insults, look some comments deeper...

Steffen
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 33 of 75ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 34 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Nov-2003 11:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Steffen Haeuser):
First of all I don't understand why you use that offensive tone on me.
And about offensive comments, someone has to make a start so that they come,
and unlike what many people might believe, it's not always the blue side
(or the red side either... Sides... what a stupid term...). Take a look at
the Amiga.org Warp3D thread. It's a nice discussion, ruined by some comments...

And BTW, I did notice the smily, I just don't believe that a smily suddently
legalizes any comment...
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 35 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Nov-2003 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Shut up...

(/me shouts... "Moooderaaators!"
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 36 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 13-Nov-2003 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
To the Writer of Comment 33:

Sorry, that is not funny anymore. How can you even DARE
to insult the Millions of innocent people the Nazi's killed by using the term "Nazi" as a "cheap weapon" in *computer advocacy* ? I seriously recommend to you to get yourselves some books about the time period in question and inform yourselves-and then don't try to use it for stupid computer-advocacy anymore after that - EVER AGAIN.

My apologizes to Alkis and the few decent MOS-users for my earlier comment
which really was meant nothing more than a joke (really !!!) But it seems
at least *some* MOS-users are doing the best to prove what I only meant as a joke ...

Steffen
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 37 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Nov-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Steffen Haeuser):
Now I can predict that this thread will degenerate :(
And I also predict that the next OS4/hyperion related thread will degenerate in a same way :(
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 38 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 13-Nov-2003 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Christophe Decanini):
Typical, I always arrive just after the moderation.

What did it say? :-)))
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 39 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Nov-2003 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (DaveP):
Something naughty enough that you don't miss anything by not reading.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 40 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 13-Nov-2003 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (DaveP):
@DaveP

Some "Germans=Nazis" insults - because of which it certainly was NOT a MorphOS user, given the german roots of MorphOS and the Pegasos.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 41 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Nov-2003 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Steffen Haeuser):
I would hope that they're not MOS users, for their own good... Hanging is not
always a not wanted judgement:-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 42 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 13-Nov-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
@ Bill Buck,

Err... that was a joke...

>Darrin, YOU can understand this.
>Pop Quiz:
>Here we have a loaded gun.
>What will you do now?
>a) Shoot yourself.
>b) Shoot someone else.
>c) Shoot someone who is trying to shoot someone else.
>d) Go crazy! All the above.
>Life is complicated.

So can I now twist this example around 360 degrees, add 2+2 and come up with 8 and state that you've just announced the release of "Postal" for MOS??? ;-)

oh, and I pick:

e) Make it "safe", disassemble it, clean it, reassemble it, place it safely in the armoury for safe keeping until someone NEEDS shooting. :-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 43 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 13-Nov-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (gary_c):
>I guess the winking smiley means what you wrote is b*llsh*t, right? In which
>case, why did you bother?
>-- gary_c

I obviously did it just to upset you. I would have urinated on your cornflakes instead, but that would have taken more effort. ;-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 44 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 13-Nov-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (T_Bone):
@ T-Bone:

>Heck, I'd think someone stuck with just linux would be more inclined to pirate
>an OS for his machine :D

Owch!!! LOL.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 45 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Nov-2003 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Steffen Haeuser):
"My apologizes to Alkis and the "few decent" MOS-users for my earlier comment"

Is it an apology or just another insult ?
I am a MorphOS user, am I part of the "few decent" out there ?

I should also mentioned that I have supported Hyperion with buying almost all the game they have released. Does it give me a status of "decent Mos user" ?
If not I may have to think twice next time before purchasing an Hyperion game.
Too bad for the rest of the MorphOS users that are not decent. It looks that Hyperion does not need them even if the Hyperion Games run very smoothly on MorphOS.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 46 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Jeff on 13-Nov-2003 12:53 GMT
Here we are again with another stupid member of Hyperion insulting people again.

I will not be purchasing any more hyperion products anymore and i hope no one else does, i will be using their products but there is no way i will be paying a cent for them.

You have attacked me for no reason which is a disgrace.
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 47 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 13-Nov-2003 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Jeff):
Dont worry, Ill buy double to make up for your copies ;-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 48 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (DaveP):
Oh, is that the way how Numbers of Amiga Users (especially Aone) are created?
Did you also buy 3 or 4 Aones, just for the guys which won`t buy it because they already
have a better Solution? ;-) <<<look, Smiley, just kidding
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 49 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 13-Nov-2003 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
You mean the guys that bought PCs? ;-)
Are MorphOS users geeky enough? : Comment 50 of 75ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Nov-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (DaveP):
Yes, for example ;-)
But then you need to invest a fortune and never will get near the numbers of sold PC ;-)

But you might have a chance when you compare to the other better solution ;-)
Yes DaveP, You might have higher Aone Sales then Pegasos Sales, if every Aone User just buy a second and third board ;-)))
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