|[Events] RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki
|Posted on 14-Nov-2003 14:23 GMT by -
Pictures from the Pegasos demonstration today with RJ Mical, the creator of AmigaOS' Intuition, in Helsinki, Finland courtesy of the Finnish Amiga Users Group.
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 1 of 16
|Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Nov-2003 13:37 GMT
|Nice. It would be interesting to see a short description and the names of the people under the pictures though.
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 2 of 16
|Posted by bbrv on 14-Nov-2003 13:37 GMT
|That is really great! What can be said is that the Finnish Amiga Users Group is organized, motivated and a talented group of people. Thank you for getting this organized quickly. We are sure RJ appreciated the presentation and the discussion.
Thank You Finnish Amiga Users Group!
...and one more OS that RJ designed was the 3DO OS!
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 3 of 16
|Posted by Janne on 14-Nov-2003 13:44 GMT
|RJ seemed genuinely excited to be a part of this. The ten person conference room was filled with a mixed bunch numbering 13 or so. We had some laughs too. :-)
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 4 of 16
|Posted by Jupp3 on 14-Nov-2003 14:16 GMT
|In reply to Comment 3 (Janne):
Too bad, I couldn't be there :-(
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 5 of 16
|Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 14-Nov-2003 14:36 GMT
|In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
RJ looks like http://www.mical.org/, if that's a question. ;)
But more seriously, and not particularly to steal any thunder, I'm just curious... Does he have a real preference for the MorphOS approach over the OS4 effort, or is it more that he's happy to keep an eye on his baby, and MOS/Pegasos happens to be what's available and easy to attend a demo of/critique hands-on?
It wouldn't be productive to pit our heroes against each other, but since Dave's offered a leaning towards the AInc. side, and RJ has been hanging around the Pegasos since at least whatever that demoparty was, it'd be interesting to hear the thoughts involved. Doesn't mean we have to agree, after all. :)
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 6 of 16
|Posted by bbrv on 14-Nov-2003 17:42 GMT
|In reply to Comment 5 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Hi Joe, we are working with RJ to develop a more refined strategy to move the platform into the mobile space. As you know this has been impossible to date because we have not had a commercially viable hardware platform. Today, we are still headed up a hill. And to use MarkTime's analogue of the other day, even if you were on the train you could not see over the top yet. We probably won't know exactly where we are going until we get there. Where is there? There is a place that has a fully functional modern computer that we own from top to bottom. That is the destination. When we get there we can head straight for the next destination -- like a laser beam. We are almost there. We are working with the biggest Companies in the entertainment and technology fields. Good things are coming. But, back to this Community...
MarkTime's "producer" theme is RIGHT on target, which is why we are forced to also create an outlet for all this wonderful production! Herein is the STB strategy, but OF COURSE this is not the complete focus. The focus is the business opportunity. As we said from the beginning the Pegasos is building block #1 and the real starting point. We need "producers." Producers do not sell to other Producers and Producers need something to work on and from. As MarkTime pointed out this market is WAY TOO small. At the same time, we cannot compete in the IT world as it is. The PC business is a commodity business. It is impossible for us to go head to head - even with IBM - against the likes of HP for example. We have to move things into the next dimension to be competitive. We cannot even begin to think about that until we have a stable computing platform on the market and in the hands of a few thousand talented souls.
About Dave...Dave is very active on the Phoenix mailing lists. Usually a day does not go by without a post from Dave. We get plenty of good insight from him. That does not mean we agree with him all the time, but it means we have an active and productive discussion -- as we do with you via email. There is no pressure from us to pit hero vs. hero. We are not interested in that. We are interested in understanding and maximizing all the potential opportunities, so that when that day is finally here and we can attack in mass the best objective we will do so with a total concentration of our forces.
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 7 of 16
|Posted by corpse on 14-Nov-2003 19:35 GMT
|In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
"...and one more OS that RJ designed was the 3DO OS!"
That's something to be proud of?! .. the 3D0 Sucked, Hard!
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 8 of 16
|Posted by bbrv on 14-Nov-2003 19:43 GMT
|In reply to Comment 7 (corpse):
In 1995, you are clearly wrong! Do a little research to see who invested and was involved as shareholders and partners.
In 2003, you are correct. This is the year 3DO went into bankruptcy.
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 9 of 16
|Posted by corpse on 14-Nov-2003 20:10 GMT
|In reply to Comment 8 (bbrv):
"In 1995, you are clearly wrong! Do a little research to see who invested and was involved as shareholders and partners."
Has nothing to do with that fact that the product that shipped clearly sucked.
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 10 of 16
|Posted by Oric1 on 14-Nov-2003 20:16 GMT
|In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
3DO rocks, like the Amiga and the Lynx, they were all ahead of their time...
As for RJ I hope that this time he will given the "power" to do greats things.
Why not ask him also to expand Morphos in new dimension for the desktop?
>In September I tried to recruit RJ Mical to join the team. I put a lot of >energy into it, as RJ was skeptical of VIScorp. I finally succeeded! Then, >VIScorp blew him off. RJ and I couldn't believe it. What were they doing?
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 11 of 16
|Posted by Nate Downes on 14-Nov-2003 20:30 GMT
|In reply to Comment 9 (corpse):
Overpriced, sure, but sucked, hardly. The 3DO was superior to the other game consoles on the market, and even surpassed several that came afterwards in several areas. (Easier to program than a Jaguar and Saturn, and could do many of the same functions as both)
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 12 of 16
|Posted by bbrv on 14-Nov-2003 23:40 GMT
|In reply to Comment 10 (Oric1):
@Oric1 ...do you think if that description of our relationship with RJ was the full story he would be working with us now?
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 13 of 16
|Posted by itix on 15-Nov-2003 00:07 GMT
|In reply to Comment 5 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Joe:I was there and I dont think RJ is giving a preference for any system just because it does implement AmigaOS API compatibility. He was asking lot of questions of which works and which doesnt, how is MMU utilized, how things work, what software there is and so on. Regarding OS4 there werent a single word about it. All references were made to Windows, Mac OSX and Linux. The operating systems that rule the world today. Justifying which is better, OS4 or MOS, is just waste of time. The whole appointment was (mainly) just only technical discussion.
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 14 of 16
|Posted by Oric1 on 15-Nov-2003 09:08 GMT
|In reply to Comment 12 (bbrv):
That's good news, because I assume that RJ is not the kind of guy that will forgot the past just for money.
PS Bring us a G5 early next year as previously told and I might get onboard :)
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 15 of 16
|Posted by Casey R Williams on 15-Nov-2003 17:57 GMT
|In reply to Comment 11 (Nate Downes):
"Overpriced, sure, but sucked, hardly. The 3DO was superior to the other game consoles on the market, and even surpassed several that came afterwards in several areas. (Easier to program than a Jaguar and Saturn, and could do many of the same functions as both)"
A fair description, although it should be said that the high price was due to an unfortunate choice of business models. They wanted to make money on the hardware while their competitors were all losing money on the hardware and making it back on software. There was some non-standard handling of graphics pages that some developers seemed to take issue with. But a review of the 3DO's top titles demonstrates practical superiority over both Jaguar CD and CD32. Too bad there was no life support for the thing after 3do got out of it.
|RJ Mical and Pegasos in Helsinki : Comment 16 of 16
|Posted by Nate Downes on 16-Nov-2003 22:54 GMT
|In reply to Comment 15 (Casey R Williams):
It is untrue too that their competitors were loosing money on their consoles either. I have Atari's cost sheet for the Jaguar here, the $199 Jaguar cost them only $87 to manufacture once R&D costs were recouped. That is why they were able to drop prices to $149 so rapidly once the Playstation arrived. Then to $99 a unit, but by that point the cost to manufacture had diminished even more, to only $43 a unit.
The first accusation of a company loosing money on a console sale was during this era. It was made by Atari actually, against the Playstation. It was also groundless, but the urban legend has persisted since. I believe that the first console to actually loose money per unit sold is the X-Box.
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