[News] The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc | ANN.lu |
Posted on 14-Nov-2003 21:02 GMT by samface | 99 comments View flat View list |
You can find the COMPLETE civil docket for the Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc court case here.
These files has been retrieved through the Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) system and has been reproduced as a whole and completely as published in the Case Management/Electronic Case Files system on U.S. District Court Western District of Washington's website.
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 51 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Don Cox on 15-Nov-2003 14:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (IanS): "If AmigaDE doesn't support PPC anymore (Okay, never did - but that's not what the press release said ;-)) then it's not "unreasonable" (whatever that means) for Amiga Inc to not port it,"
Intent does support PPC. The problem is the PII, not the CII. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 52 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 15-Nov-2003 14:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Lando): Of course I've never meant anything else besides leaving documents out, as in only making parts of the case files public, not removing parts of the documents out as in what you would refer to as altering them. But then, who am I to stop you from twisting my words into somethig I did not intend? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 53 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 15-Nov-2003 14:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous): Blue troll? This has nothing to do with these blue/red flamewars, this is about setting the record straight. I'm quite fed up with certain people trying to use certain information for supporting their own agenda. Thanks to this complete archive of the case files, everyone can use their own judgement based on the real facts rather than depend on what certain individuals chooses to make public or not. If this doesn't comply with your agenda, tough luck.
Besides, who said anything about this case beeing favorable or not on anyone's part? Looking at things objectively I'd say it's just as demeaning for everybody involved. But that's just IMO. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 54 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Darrin on 15-Nov-2003 15:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (Senex): @ Senex
>So from all this I do think that their interest in DE was genuine back then.
>Of course they may have considered the name "Amiga" an added value, but
>assuming more than that does rather sound like a quite exaggerated theory of >conspiracy. Especially since then BBRV would have had to be clairvoyants to
>forsee the successful developments by Ralph Schmidt as well as especially (to
>get a platform) by Gerald Carda and Thomas Knäbel.
I know what you're trying to get at, but the way I see it is a bit more straight forward:
All along there has been ONE party that has been trying to launch a rival (to Amiga Inc) platform to the SAME target group. It doesn't matter who was supposed to manufacture the hardwre at the time, because the sole purpose of obtaining the AmigaDE trademark was so simply use it to make the product look like an official AmigaNG product running an AmigaOS. Once purchased, the user would find himself not running the latest Workbench, but rather MOS with something else called AmigaDE stuffed neatly into a draw on Ambient.
The changing partners make no difference. The mergers and buyout make no difference. There's only one captain to this ship and the course he's been steering is quite obvious NOW.
I'm also sure that all parties now involved in the Gensei alliance have been working closly behind the curtains for a lot longer than most of us realise.
The plan has been modified several times, but the goal has remained the same:
Obtain the Amiga trademarks and licences as cheaply as possible, cripple or destroy Amiga Inc and undermine any rival hardware/software.
It's called business... |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 55 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Kronos on 15-Nov-2003 15:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Darrin): Try again, maybe with useing logic this time .....
It was bPlan who wanted to offer an "Amiga-replacement".
It was Thendic that wanted to build AmigaDE-ready systems, just like Sharp wanted
in the early days.
There was no connection between the 2 prior to mid 2001. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 56 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by - on 15-Nov-2003 16:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (samface): Samface,
You had insinuated that Rich was disingenuous in the way he offered the documents. You said he was quite possibly spinning the truth by putting out some pages and leaving out others, (ones that would put AI in a better light) and only offering access to a select group.
Now while you are offering access to all, you can be accused of the same thing. Where is the rest of the pages? Do they show that AI is a bunch of crooks deserving of jail, or are being treated unfairly by a bunch of crooks? Oh.. is that all the pages you received, just like Rich? The point is you acted like Rich's agenda had caused him to slant the truth, which can also be said of you. Now take it like a man and tell Rich you were wrong about him!
Stew |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 57 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Darrin on 15-Nov-2003 16:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 55 (Kronos): >Try again, maybe with useing logic this time .....
>It was bPlan who wanted to offer an "Amiga-replacement".
>It was Thendic that wanted to build AmigaDE-ready systems, just like Sharp
>wanted in the early days.
>There was no connection between the 2 prior to mid 2001.
What I'm suggesting is that there WAS a plan by Thendic to provide a replacement Amiga and I'm also suggesting that they may well have been "talks" between bPlan and Thendic back then towards obtaining this goal.
Either way, from looking at the documents it certainly looks like Thendic's offer to provide hardware for the DE to run on was broken by Thendic due to their inability to provide the equipment they listed in the contract (prove me wrong - where is it???). Then, as if by magic, they suddenly get into the business of providing a rival Amiga-like computer and OS and amazinly have a contract they can manipulate to attempt to place Amiga logos and trademarks on their product.
Coincidence? Possibly, but I doubt it. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 58 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Darrin on 15-Nov-2003 16:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 56 (-): >Oh.. is that all the pages you received, just like Rich? The point is you
>acted like Rich's agenda had caused him to slant the truth, which can also be
>said of you. Now take it like a man and tell Rich you were wrong about him!
You're totally missing Samface's point here. Samface has posted all of the docs he received in an easy to access manner with no restrictions. Rich Woods however was selective in what he posted and then embelished them with a personal "story" presented as a fact while restricting other documents with a password protection system to which he flatly refused access to cetain individuals who failed to stroke his ego.
There's a hell of a difference here. Why can't you see it? Blue tinted glasses blocking out most of the visible spectrum I suppose... |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 59 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by MIKE on 15-Nov-2003 16:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 32 (samface): Quoting Samface
"1. He has taken certain bits and pieces of a testimony out of it's appropriate context. Everybody knows that this is probably the most effective way of putting an angle to the facts in order to support your agenda.
2. The information left out could be disputing every single "fact" in the given information, who knows? The fact that he is leaving out information makes one wonder.."
Now you post the actual documents, which are exactly what Rich published, after you accused Rich of "removing certain bits and pieces of a testimony out of it's appropriate context".
You owe Rich an apology for accusing him of such things, and trying to FUD it out as an evil Rich Woods consipiracy, your own evidence backs Rich up, you should just back off and cut your losses, you are over matched. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 60 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by MIKE on 15-Nov-2003 16:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 47 (Stefan Burström): Right, you aren't familiar with the Saga, all the documents were made available to anyone who wished to see them. Samface accuses Rich of selectively removing parts of the document to make his anti-amiga case stronger, now Samface post a link to the same documents as Rich in whole, and proclaims his accusations about Rich Woods were correct, and declares himself vindicated, when in fact he has given a secondary source of the documents Rich provided, that proves Rich didn't modify/remove any parts of the original documents. Now samface is running around doing his normal hair splitting trying to save face (like the it's not an AmigaONE thread, that's why the coupons don't need to be honoured). |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 61 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Darrin on 15-Nov-2003 17:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (MIKE): > all the documents were made available to anyone who wished to see them.
Lies!!!
Rich Woods openly boasted of restricting/refusing access to these peotected documents here on ANN to certain individuals. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 62 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by - on 15-Nov-2003 18:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (Darrin): Point made as to the restrictions. His descision to make. He did post all the docs and told Samface such. Samface did not want to take that for face value. Others told him that they were all included and he did not want to listen.
Did/does Rich have an agenda? Of course! Then so does Samface. Samface is the one who said Rich's agenda caused him to not post the whole set of docs (even though Rich swore otherwise) so he owes Rich an apology.
It has nothing to do with blue tinted glasses, as I have no Peg and no plans for one at the moment. I will buy OS4 for my CSPPC if/when it comes out.
Stew |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 63 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Darrin on 15-Nov-2003 18:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 62 (-): >Point made as to the restrictions.
Thanks.
>His descision to make.
True, but by "hiding" thing he left himself open to attacks on his motives. His delight in taunting those he refused to give access too didn't help (IMHO) either.
>He did post all the docs and told Samface such.
I'll have to take your word for that as I was given access either. I'm not really tempted to take Rich at his word either as I have certain doubts about his motives.
>Samface did not want to take that for face value.
And nobody should blame him for that considering the source.
>Others told him that they were all included and he did not want to listen.
Perhaps he didn't trust them either.
>Did/does Rich have an agenda? Of course!
Agreed :-)
>Then so does Samface.
Agreed :-)
>Samface is the one who said Rich's agenda caused him to not post the whole set
>of docs (even though Rich swore otherwise) so he owes Rich an apology.
I still don't quite see it that way. Rich's restricted set of docs certainly justifies Samface's actions.
>It has nothing to do with blue tinted glasses, as I have no Peg and no plans
>for one at the moment.
In that case, I humbly withdraw my accusation.
>I will buy OS4 for my CSPPC if/when it comes out.
Roll on OS4...
Darrin |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 64 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 15-Nov-2003 19:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 56 (-): Posted by - (67.10.117.223) on 15-Nov-2003 17:06:50
In Reply to Comment 52:
Samface,
You had insinuated that Rich was disingenuous in the way he offered the documents. You said he was quite possibly spinning the truth by putting out some pages and leaving out others, (ones that would put AI in a better light) and only offering access to a select group.
Now while you are offering access to all, you can be accused of the same thing. Where is the rest of the pages? Do they show that AI is a bunch of crooks deserving of jail, or are being treated unfairly by a bunch of crooks? Oh.. is that all the pages you received, just like Rich? The point is you acted like Rich's agenda had caused him to slant the truth, which can also be said of you. Now take it like a man and tell Rich you were wrong about him!
Stew
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Does it really matter if I get an apology or not from Spamface?
I don't expect it - and certainly Spamface isn't man enough to offer it. So what.
I posted the documents - made people aware and spamface has only confirmed the accuracy of my posted documents. AFAIK - haven't been to his site.
As far as changing the names - I changed PDF file names to make it intelligable to those who downloaded them - I also initiallly spend the search fees and the .50 per page to get these documents before they were on the Pacer system.
I made available the documents literally a day or so after they were available to the public.
Spamface has finally gotten access (after several months and supposedly losing his password info on the bus (as he himself stated - (maybe he should work for billyboy?) and posted the same info as I have.
The showcause file xxx.xxx means literally nothing - that is why i renamed them into a more intelligible format.
And not even being to Spamface's site - the court docs with the links seems to be more of the html file taken from the offical court documenbts with a link to the file (show case etc files).
Spamface probably hasn't even done much work himself on these.
But it's nice he is making a fool out of himself in still trying to justify I somehow "altered" documents - no matter how he intents to discredit the posts he has made before.
Good Going, SPAMFACE! |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 65 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 15-Nov-2003 19:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (samface): Posted by samface (213.114.40.61) on 15-Nov-2003 09:07:54
In Reply to Comment 24:
"Deliberately removing, or "Leaving information out" from a document is a form of modification. This is what samface accused Rich Woods of doing"
No, leaving parts out and altering the documents are not even remotely close to the same thing.
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Ever think of offering your legal services to Amiga? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 66 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by BouncingAyatollah on 15-Nov-2003 22:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (IanS): > The thing that really confuses me is that BBRV has referred to AmigaDE in the
> past in a highly negative way (IIRC) so why on earth would he want the port so
> much? Is it central to their future plans? Or just another excuse to sue Amiga
> Inc.
I see it like this. It may be more difficult to promote Pegasos(es) versus AmigaOne(s) when AmigaOS4 is out (to ex or current Amigans anyway). MorphOS runs AmigaOS3-only apps. Right now, the interim period has been used to entice very waiting-weary people to spend on a Pegasos/MorphOS via price cuts, bundles and so on.
The Peg has been pushed as a machine on which you can run multiple OS's. However the Peg and A1 hardware are so similar that as I see it you may eventually have two boards:
One runs: ThisLinux/ThatLinux(etc.) up to->MacOnLinux/MorphOS
The other: ThisLinux/ThatLinux(etc.) up to->MacOnLinux/AmigaOS4/AmigaDE
If you assume AmigaOS4-native apps get ported to MorphOS native (and vice versa) no particular disparity there. If you assume any OS that is ported to Peg is ported to A1 no disparity there. The "problem" is AmigaDE, especially if it means that the board promoted to be the one where you can run "all these OS's" is competing against the one that runs "all the same OS's and another one". |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 67 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by brotheris on 16-Nov-2003 04:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 66 (BouncingAyatollah): "It may be more difficult to promote Pegasos(es) versus AmigaOne(s) when AmigaOS4 is out (to ex or current Amigans anyway). MorphOS runs AmigaOS3-only apps."
I love when people use this argument. MOS runs and Warpup, Powerup and MorphOS native programs. And there seem to be more and more native programs. But interesting point is: which are OS4 programs ? Anyway, after around half year of OS4 release, I would expect a OS4 APIs wrapper for MOS (if there will be program worth it to create this wrapper).
"One runs: ThisLinux/ThatLinux(etc.) up to->MacOnLinux/MorphOS"
QNX, OpenBSD...
The other: ThisLinux/ThatLinux(etc.) up to->MacOnLinux/AmigaOS4/AmigaDE"
No AmigaDE yet (or ever if you ask me).
For me it all comes down to availability and price. I see NOTHING on AOS4 videos to make me want one. I have to want it more badly than MOS (I see a lot of action in this front, many programs ported).I've made my decission and will not buy AmigaOne, not for these kind of money. Even if OS4 would be released for PegasosII, it would be hard to convince me to buy it. Because after OS4 will be released, it will need to a lot of time to mature. I've listened and read enough crap about 'you can make first impression once', 'two weeks'. I need facts, it's my hobby and my money. Pretty words by salesmen will not sell anything to me. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 68 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 16-Nov-2003 06:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (MIKE): Posted by MIKE (64.112.206.174) on 15-Nov-2003 17:58:55
In Reply to Comment 47:
Right, you aren't familiar with the Saga, all the documents were made available to anyone who wished to see them. Samface accuses Rich of selectively removing parts of the document to make his anti-amiga case stronger, now Samface post a link to the same documents as Rich in whole, and proclaims his accusations about Rich Woods were correct, and declares himself vindicated, when in fact he has given a secondary source of the documents Rich provided, that proves Rich didn't modify/remove any parts of the original documents. Now samface is running around doing his normal hair splitting trying to save face (like the it's not an AmigaONE thread, that's why the coupons don't need to be honoured).
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Well here is the court docket and the info after my last posting of court info on 10/16/2003.
10/15/2003
Diana S Shukis, attorney for Defendant, reset to receive noticing. Stipulation and Order Resetting Case Schedule and Trial 30 mailed to counsel. (AF, ) (Entered: 10/15/2003)
10/29/2003
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MOTION for Summary Judgment granting specific performance and dismissing Amiga's counterclaim by Plaintiffs Genesi Sarl, Thendic Electronics Components. Noting Date 11/21/2003. (Attachments: # 1 Text of Proposed Order # 2 note for motion)(RS, ) (Entered: 11/03/2003)
10/29/2003
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DECLARATION of Bill Buck filed by Plaintiffs Genesi Sarl, Thendic Electronics Components re 31 MOTION for Summary Judgment (RS, ) (Entered: 11/03/2003)
10/29/2003
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DECLARATION of Richard Hughes filed by Plaintiffs Genesi Sarl, Thendic Electronics Components re 31 MOTION for Summary Judgment (RS, ) (Entered: 11/03/2003)
11/10/2003
34
ORDER denying 28 Motion for Judgment and Dismissal of Counterclaims for Lack of Representation, by Judge Robert S. Lasnik. (AF, ) (Entered: 11/10/2003)
Anyone read these? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 69 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by BouncingAyatollah on 16-Nov-2003 07:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (brotheris): > I love when people use this argument. MOS runs and Warpup, Powerup and MorphOS
> native programs. And there seem to be more and more native programs. But
> interesting point is: which are OS4 programs ? Anyway, after around half year
> of OS4 release, I would expect a OS4 APIs wrapper for MOS (if there will be
> program worth it to create this wrapper).
I am aware of MorphOS native programs - I mentioned them later in my post, however the perceived "value" of MorphOS as an "Amiga clone" presently is running AmigaOS3 only apps (Warpup and PowerUp are still AmigaOS 3 apps). The future value of MorphOS is yet to be seen, a somewhat tenuous predicament for one to be spending their money on it seems, the hope that the AmigaOS3 functionality MAY be extended by way of enough native apps to match AOS4 which is a guaranteed given progression. I mentioned the likelihood of wrappers either way with "If you assume AmigaOS4-native apps get ported to MorphOS native (and vice versa) no particular disparity there."
> QNX, OpenBSD...
These were intended to be included implicitly (though not stated I admit) in the "etc." on BOTH lists, seeing as the hardware is so similar. Again though, how this situation resolves will only be known in the future. It may be that PegasOS runs more OS's but I feel that unlikely given the hardware similarities as I said.
> No AmigaDE yet (or ever if you ask me).
Less likely on the Peg if you ask me, another "more likely guaranteed progression" for the AmigaOne. This was the main point of my post though, which was in response to a question regarding why bbrv has seemingly switched from anti-AmigaDE to pro. Somehow I think he has realised it may be a distinguishing differential between the two platforms hence suddenly it became more "valuable", unless of course this IS just a "drain Amiga of all funds" ploy as others suggest, I don't know about that.
> For me it all comes down to availability and price. I see NOTHING on AOS4
> videos to make me want one. I have to want it more badly than MOS (I see a
> lot of action in this front, many programs ported).I've made my decission and
> will not buy AmigaOne, not for these kind of money. Even if OS4 would be
> released for PegasosII, it would be hard to convince me to buy it. Because
> after OS4 will be released, it will need to a lot of time to mature. I've
> listened and read enough crap about 'you can make first impression once', 'two
> weeks'. I need facts, it's my hobby and my money.
For 100s of thousands of soon to be miffed Atari ST owners it similarly came down to "availability and price". Atari could play the "Available now!" card before the A500 was released, yet what did they do when they realised the impact the A500 was going to have? Aggressive price cutting and bundling of massive amounts of software with the machine in the time they had before the A500 SOFTWARE market gained enough steam to hit them, as incentives to people who were looking at the current details rather than seeing the "bigger future picture".
> Pretty words by salesmen will not sell anything to me.
I feel that comment has succeeded the event itself. I may be wrong however, your money, your choice, as always. This isn't meant to sound attacking btw, it's just that I kind of grit my teeth for people who may have unwittingly "bought the Atari ST".
With all this tit-for-tat bitching crap flying about, the best advice I often see is "wait until both are out, compare them and decide". Sounds good to me. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 70 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Jupp3 on 16-Nov-2003 07:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Darrin): Darrin:
>What I'm suggesting is that there WAS a plan by Thendic to provide a replacement Amiga and I'm also suggesting that they may well have been "talks" between bPlan and Thendic back then towards obtaining this goal.
Please do remember, that back then, when bPlan started working on what you call "replacement Amiga", there was absolutely no "official" effort to make "official" PPC native AmigaOS... In fact, around those times Amiga inc. announced "classic AmigaOS" dead. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 71 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-Nov-2003 08:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (BouncingAyatollah): > For 100s of thousands of soon to be miffed Atari ST owners it similarly came
> down to "availability and price".
Right, but here we're not talking about Atari ST's, are we? I mean, comparing the Peg to an Atari ST and an AmigaOS to an A500 is pretty nonsensical, since there's pretty much no difference in the HW of the latter two comps compared to the difference that there was between the A500 and the ST. Then, consider also the OSs: MOS is right now more advanced than AOS4 and allows you to run more SW, AOS4, on the other hand, has no native SW as of now, and it will take time to mature and yet will have no real advantage over MOS in the near future (don't have a crystal ball, so I can't say anything about the long term future).
Your parallel doesn't make much sense at all, and I can't really understand why would anyone try to look at reality from this kind of perspective... |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 72 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-Nov-2003 08:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Fabio Alemagna): > and an AmigaOS to an A500
Sorry, meant AmigaONE there. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 73 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Nov-2003 10:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Fabio Alemagna): Personally, i see little difference between MOS & AOS, they both do the same thing really.
The differences are in the details, and in the internals of both systems, one of the reasons why i'm not that fond of MOS is Ambient, for example.
I'm not going to comment on the technical merrits of MOS, because frankly i know didlydo about the internals.
Now, MOS has an advantage on AOS in that it's available, but most of the "MOS" apps are actually OpenSource, so, quite simply, these apps *will* end up on AOS too.
The only apps MOS has that are unique to the platform are, err, i don't know really, Knights & Merchants?
What i envision happening when AOS hits the shops is that for atleast a year there will be a race for "apps", people will port this & that to their prefered platform, and atleast in the first year(s) there'll be little difference between both platforms, however, since Hyperion has some more games to port to AOS these might add an edge for AOS.
The only way for MOS to survive though, is to get more marketshare, so that they to can attract (commercial) developers, but in order to gain more marketshare you need apps, that's the problem really (also for AOS, i admit).
Times will be hard on both OS's, and lets hope that they both can pull it off.
Cheers |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 74 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by cheesegrate on 16-Nov-2003 11:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (Darrin): darrin when they signed the aggreement bill buck had nothing to doe with the pegasos, this was in the first days of Glorious DE |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 75 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 16-Nov-2003 17:27 GMT | There seems to be some DNS problems with my domain at the moment, here is an alternate address to it if you have problems accessing the server:
http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/ |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 76 of 99 | ANN.lu |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 77 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 16-Nov-2003 21:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 75 (samface): Posted by samface (213.114.40.21) on 16-Nov-2003 18:27:29
There seems to be some DNS problems with my domain at the moment, here is an alternate address to it if you have problems accessing the server:
http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/
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I know this is going to come as a shock sammyface but that is the same URL you posted in your original message to start this entire thread. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 78 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 16-Nov-2003 21:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 75 (samface): Posted by samface (213.114.40.21) on 16-Nov-2003 18:27:29
There seems to be some DNS problems with my domain at the moment, here is an alternate address to it if you have problems accessing the server:
http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/
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so if you are having DNS problems with your server then no other system CANNOT find your site - so "adding" - or regiving the subdirectory on your server will not help at all.
I thought you told us you knew what you were doing? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 79 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 16-Nov-2003 22:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 75 (samface): Posted by samface (213.114.40.21) on 16-Nov-2003 18:27:29
There seems to be some DNS problems with my domain at the moment, here is an alternate address to it if you have problems accessing the server:
http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/
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Since your DNS info is up to date and your registration isn't due yet - someone suggested to me that you probably have gone over your bandwidth.
You might have a 200-500meg bandwidth and with the size and amount of the files your server couldn't handle the load.
You'll probably have to pay for each meg over your bandwidth allotment. I guess sammyface might be taking down the docs because he can't or won't be able to afford to pay the costs for hosting such infomration.
Well at least this validated that my site had the correct, true and accurate OFFICIAL court documentation. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 80 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 04:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 79 (Rich Woods): ROTFL!!! You don't have the slightest clue, now do you? I'm sorry to break your illusions but mindrelease.mine.nu is pointing to the very same server as mindrelease.mine.nu. The problem was definitivly a DNS problem because I, unlike you, am not guessing, I know. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 81 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 04:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 77 (Rich Woods): Oooops! That was supposed to be mindrelease.mine.nu. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 82 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 04:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (samface): Of course I meant mindrelease.mine.nu is pointing to the very same server as mindrelese.net... I really need to get some sleep now... |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 83 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 04:54 GMT | Sorry about the confusion, guys. Here's the real alternate URL:
http://mindrelease.mine.nu/amiga-thendic/ |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 84 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 17-Nov-2003 09:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (samface): osted by samface (213.114.40.21) on 17-Nov-2003 05:46:38
In Reply to Comment 79:
ROTFL!!! You don't have the slightest clue, now do you? I'm sorry to break your illusions but mindrelease.mine.nu is pointing to the very same server as mindrelease.mine.nu. The problem was definitivly a DNS problem because I, unlike you, am not guessing, I know.
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Thank you - you have just posted what I have said. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 85 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 17-Nov-2003 09:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 82 (samface): Posted by samface (213.114.40.21) on 17-Nov-2003 05:48:52
In Reply to Comment 80:
Of course I meant mindrelease.mine.nu is pointing to the very same server as mindrelese.net... I really need to get some sleep now...
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OK 3+ posts should get the point across.
Lack of sleep can do it to you. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 86 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 17-Nov-2003 09:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 83 (samface): Posted by samface (213.114.40.21) on 17-Nov-2003 05:54:22
Sorry about the confusion, guys. Here's the real alternate URL:
http://mindrelease.mine.nu/amiga-thendic/
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Thanks for validating the same info I have been posting for 10+ months now.
Glad to see you have finally caught up.
So what documents (from the docket report I have posted) has been altered changed or whatever?
Are you ready to admit that all my documentation has been correct, complete, accurate and the same as yours? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 87 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by Rich Woods on 17-Nov-2003 09:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (samface): Posted by samface (213.114.40.21) on 17-Nov-2003 05:46:38
In Reply to Comment 79:
ROTFL!!! You don't have the slightest clue, now do you? I'm sorry to break your illusions but mindrelease.mine.nu is pointing to the very same server as mindrelease.mine.nu. The problem was definitivly a DNS problem because I, unlike you, am not guessing, I know.
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Wait a minute -
mindrelease.mine.nu is pointing to the very same server as mindrelease.mine.au?
YOU ARE A GENIUS of the highest order!
Thanks so VERY MUCH for explaining that to me. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 88 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 17-Nov-2003 11:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 83 (samface): :-)
BTW, it would be nice to have the whole thing as an archive, .zip .lha or whatever. Any chance of that happening? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 89 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 11:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 87 (Rich Woods): Please finish reading the thread before replying. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 90 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 12:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (takemehomegrandma): Maybe once the court case has been settled one could zip it as one single archive. As of now, the case is still in progress and once in a while updated with new documents which means that we would need some form of versioning system for such archive. I'm sorry but it's less complicated this way and I think people appreciate the ability to choose the documents they want to download rather than having to download the complete archive at once. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 91 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 12:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 84 (Rich Woods): No, this is what you said:
>You might have a 200-500meg bandwidth and with the size and amount of the
>files your server couldn't handle the load.
>
>You'll probably have to pay for each meg over your bandwidth allotment. I
>guess sammyface might be taking down the docs because he can't or won't be
>able to afford to pay the costs for hosting such infomration. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 92 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 13:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 86 (Rich Woods): >So what documents (from the docket report I have posted) has been altered
>changed or whatever?
I can accept an occasional misunderstanding here and there, but this is getting ridiculous. I've said it many times before and I will say it again; I NEVER ACCUSED YOU OF ALTERING THE DOCUMENTS, all I ever did was asking you to make all your files and documents available to the public rahter than password protecting some of them. FYI, I got these documents for two simple reasons:
1. To verify the documents authenticity. You refused to help me in this issue and told me to simply get the documents myself. So I did and here they are.
2. To make sure that all files from this case has been included. Since you refused to help me verify this and at the same time made it no secret that you have more files in a password protected web directory, I simply had no other choice but to get access to those documents myself, which once more is also what YOU told me to do.
Now please stop trying to make it look like I would be posting these documents for any other reason besides your inability to cooperate. You are the one that simply wouldn't entrust me with complete access to your documents, even accused me of passing the documents around without your permission, and gave me no other option but getting these documents myself, yet you try to make it look like I would be the one mistrusting you. That is a cat calling the kettle black.
Now, if you're a man of your own words, when am I going to hear an excuse for your accusation about me passing around your password protected documents? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 93 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by brotheris on 17-Nov-2003 16:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (BouncingAyatollah): "however the perceived "value" of MorphOS as an "Amiga clone" presently is running AmigaOS3 only apps (Warpup and PowerUp are still AmigaOS 3 apps)."
mplayer adds a lot of usefulnes to that list, certainly is MOS YAM compile, etc.
"The future value of MorphOS is yet to be seen"
Not at all, they have released updates, each one is better than the last, I expect next one to be even better.
"AmigaOS3 functionality MAY be extended by way of enough native apps to match AOS4 which is a guaranteed given progression"
which progression compared to MOS you mean ? What is better on current shown OS4 demos than on MOS ? Speed certainly is not it.
> QNX, OpenBSD...
"These were intended to be included implicitly (though not stated I admit) in the "etc." on BOTH lists"
But development seems to be only on Pegasos.
"Atari could play the "Available now!" card before the A500 was released"
it is different. Atari couldn't run same software.
"With all this tit-for-tat bitching crap flying about, the best advice I often see is "wait until both are out, compare them and decide". Sounds good to me."
Advice is good, but we can see OS4 and MOS now. They show what is available, I watch and choose. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 94 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 17-Nov-2003 17:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 93 (brotheris): I know how easy it is to go off-topic but please, isn't this going a little bit far off the mark? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 95 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by brotheris on 18-Nov-2003 05:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 94 (samface): Discussion about Amiga OS'es are far better than your constant bitching. Go and play with your monkey. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 96 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 18-Nov-2003 08:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 95 (brotheris): You seriously want to have a MorphOS vs AmigaOS discussion with me? Well, my e-mail address is present in my signature. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 97 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by brotheris on 18-Nov-2003 09:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 96 (samface): You're not center of the universe, I was discussing with BouncingAyatollah. |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 98 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by samface on 18-Nov-2003 11:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 97 (brotheris): Well, if it is a private conversation, maybe you should take it by e-mail rather than as an off-topic subject in the ANN.lu forums? |
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The COMPLETE civil docket for Thendic Electronics, et al v. Amiga Inc : Comment 99 of 99 | ANN.lu |
Posted by brotheris on 18-Nov-2003 14:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 98 (samface): Can we make it 600+ posts in this thread ? I think we can! |
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