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[News] Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003.ANN.lu
Posted on 16-Nov-2003 08:23 GMT by Rich Woods263 comments
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Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003 in Washington Federal District Court. Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003 in Washington Federal District Court.

It also looks like Amiga is again without counsel.

"This matter comes before the Court on "Plantiffs' Motion for Judgement and dismissal of Counter Claims for Lack of Representation." Although corporations must be represented by counsel, defendant's failure to retain new counsel has not yet been given rise to a sanctionable failure to prosecute. Plantiff's motion for judgement and dismissal of the counterclaims is DENIED. Defendant must, however, obtain counsel to defend this litigation if it hopes to avoid an adverse ruling on plaantiff's pending motion for summary judgement.

DATED this 7th day of November,2003.

/s/ robert S. Lasnik

United States District Judge

Get it here .

Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 251 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 24-Nov-2003 22:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (samface):
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Nothing you said is NOT something I wasn't already aware of. Please stop insulting my intelligence by placing my words into a completely different context. The issue was wether Amiga Inc. has any employees or not and I think that the issue has been settled now since not even you or Rich seem to be able to dispute that as a fact.
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Neither Rich nor I believe that the remaining "employees" should consider themselves so, since they have no office for over a year, have not paid according to their contract for well over a year, and frankly there isnt alot of chance that they ever will be paid back at this point. Every month Bill McEwen adds 150K to the debt of the company while sales dont even keep with the interest of the judgements against them, and there is no end in site for the increasing debt. I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm asking you to use it, how long without being paid are you going to consider these people employees, we've passed 1.5 years and you still are chanting it. Next year at this time, are they still employees, how about the year after that?? Technically I doubt the state of Washington considers them employees, I am fairly sure they wouldnt qualify for unemployment insurance if they "Quit" now, in fact that would pretty much preclude them being "employees" at this point if that is true. If the State of Washington doesnt qualify them as employees, are they still employees in your mind??

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As when it comes to what I think of Amiga Inc.'s salary policy; that is the exact same policy as my father used while starting up his small mechanical workshop, he had two work for free for nearly two years before he was able to charge his own company for his work.
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First of all, thats not what any of the employees signed up for when they signed their contracts, what Amiga Inc is doing is not paying their employees according to their contracts thats illegal in the State of Washington, thats why all the employees who sued for their wages, have got an amount equal to their back wages as a penalty as part of their settlement. If your boss tomorrow decided to not pay you this month, then decided to not pay you next month, etc, etc, for 18 months would you still consider yourself an employee of your company?? If you showed up and the doors were locked and your boss said go home and work from there, while I dont pay you, because soon I will get lots of money, how many months would you do that before you no longer thought of yourself as an employee. All these people have had to find other sources of income, but Amiga Inc is on schedule and rocking according to the apologists.

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The mechanical workshop is now doing very well, expanding every year, and has Volvo as their biggest customer. I see NOTHING dubious about such salary policy for a small start up company and I find it morally questionable of Genesi to take advantage of Amiga Inc.'s situation.
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I find your excuses morally questionable to say the least. Things your dad probably didnt do:
1) Hire a bunch of people, get them to move, pay them for awhile then start cutting back there pay eventually getting kicked out of his office (for non payment of rent) but asking his employees to keep working at home because I'll get you your back pay any day now.
2) Cancel Health Insurance (a felony in most states) for his employees without their knowledge.
3) Sell $135,000 worth of $50 and $100 coupons on an item that still isnt completed, with complete knowledge that his share of the profits for the uncompleted item won't cover the $50 coupons much less the $100 coupons. (In other words the coupons even without counting in the T-Shirts or CAM, are a huge loss since the $135K is already gone).
4) Built 2.2 Million in debt with a hemorrage rate of 150K a month with an income of low 4 figures per month.

Now if you dad really did all that, we can use him as an example. If not, lets get back to discussing Amiga Incs inability to make money and the FACT that if every single PPC board for an Amiga, plus every single Amiga One, plus every single Pegasos gets OS 4.0, there still isnt enough revenue for Amiga Inc to just pay the coupons and the judgements, much less all the payroll debt they are rolling up each month.
-Tig
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 252 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 25-Nov-2003 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 251 (Tigger):
A little piece of advise; PLEASE STOP TRYING TO SPEAK ON OTHER PEOPLE'S BEHALF.

If Amiga Inc.'s employees are willing to continue working for Amiga Inc. for free in order to to keep the dreams and hopes they had when starting the company alive, who are you to stop them? Yes, two people left Amiga Inc. and sued for unpayed salaries, but what did Amiga Inc. do to stop them? Exactly nothing. They didn't even try defending themselves and let the court issue a default judgement in the former employees favor. That tells me that they are NOT trying to rip their employees off and that everyone working for them has the choice to leave whenever they like.

You see, I imagine a group of people with a great idea for a business and a great opportunity for this idea with both funding and a once in a lifetime offer to purchase the intellectual property of a legacy. This group of people starts up a small company, well aware of the risks involved. About 2 or 3 years later, two people get tired of waiting for the great success to come along and leave. The rest of the group does nothing to stop them, not even when those two takes legal action against them. Do you still think of these people as evil employers trying to rip their employees off?

What pisses me off is people like you, doing everything you can in order to kill the dreams and hopes of these people because you are ignorant enough to listen to certain other people with a certain agenda or because you simply are a part of that agenda and therefore will make use of every opportunity of slagging off at the competition. Why would these people even be a threat to you to begin with? Unless they really did something towards you in person, I really don't see why you should speak on their employees behalf, complain on their customers behalf, and paint a picture of them as the evil scum of the earth. You do NOT know the whole story and the complete scenario of events leading to their current situation, please stop filling in the gaps with whatever suits your distorted views.

Yes, Amiga Inc. doesn't have much income at the moment and are currently doing everything they can in order to get another round of funding. It's not the first time they have been in this situation and they have been able to sort it out before. However, you make it sound like it would be evil for a company to not be successful all the time and that they are doing this for the sake of making people's life miserable. For christ sake, how much sense would that make? I'm sorry but they don't work for free because they don't think that their business plan has an enormous potential and they sure as he** don't work for free because they have a plan to rip off the Amiga community. They work for free because they are determined to achieve what they were originaly set out to achieve and they work for free because they intend to repay everything they owe, both to themselves and the community. Why are you so determined to do everything you can to stop them?
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 253 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 25-Nov-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 252 (samface):
Posted by samface (131.116.254.198) on 25-Nov-2003 14:58:55

In Reply to Comment 251:
A little piece of advise; PLEASE STOP TRYING TO SPEAK ON OTHER PEOPLE'S BEHALF.

Like I said - I'm starting to feel sorry for you.



If Amiga Inc.'s employees are willing to continue working for Amiga Inc. for free in order to to keep the dreams and hopes they had when starting the company alive, who are you to stop them? Yes, two people left Amiga Inc. and

And EXACTLY how is Tigger "stopping them"? And the legal definition of "employee" is one who works for hire and who gets compensated for their work.
You are NOT legally an "employee" if you work for free...Maybe a unpaid volunteeer but that is the antithesis of the definition applied legally for an "employee" - just because you want to call unpaid workers "employees" doesn't make it so.

Your sad lack of even basic business law, contract law is so apparent that everyone is aware of it except you. (ie - YOUR definitions of "left out" and "altered").


sued for unpayed salaries, but what did Amiga Inc. do to stop them? Exactly nothing. They didn't even try defending themselves and let the court issue a

So what was Amiga SUPPOSED to do to stop them? They didn't try defending themsevles because billyboy hasn't a pair of balls between his legs - there WAS no defense in NOT paying your "employees" - get it? It is a criminal act in the state of WA NOT to pay your employees - you have the court docs - the state stautes are enumerate in the court docs which you have.

You cannot even understand the court docs let alone have an useless and nonsensical "opinion".




default judgement in the former employees favor. That tells me that they are NOT trying to rip their employees off and that everyone working for them has the choice to leave whenever they like.

Read the court documents again - and again - and again - or try having bolton peeck's little daughter explain it to you. They committed CRIMINAL ACTS in NOT paying their "employees" - we'll use the LEGAL definition of employees and not yours.



You see, I imagine a group of people with a great idea for a business and a great opportunity for this idea with both funding and a once in a lifetime offer to purchase the intellectual property of a legacy. This group of people starts up a small company, well aware of the risks involved. About 2 or 3 years later, two people get tired of waiting for the great success to come along and leave. The rest of the group does nothing to stop them, not even when those two takes legal action against them. Do you still think of these people as evil employers trying to rip their employees off?

So how is the rest of the group supposed to stop them? Chain them to their cubicles?

Rip their "employees" off? The court decided they DID "rip off" several employees - it's right there in the court docs - sammyface. The same docs I had - the same docs it took you 6 months to get - will it take you 6 months to BEGIN to understand what you have in black and white in front of you?



What pisses me off is people like you, doing everything you can in order to kill the dreams and hopes of these people because you are ignorant enough to listen to certain other people with a certain agenda or because you simply are a part of that agenda and therefore will make use of every opportunity of slagging off at the competition. Why would these people even be a threat to you

Yeah - the judge and the lawyers certainly have an agenda in protecting the rights of the former Amiga employees! How DARE they sue Amiga to try and get paid.



to begin with? Unless they really did something towards you in person, I really don't see why you should speak on their employees behalf, complain on

He commentd on the court ocs and the LAWYERS AND JUDGE "spoke" on the employees behaalf with the judgements.


their customers behalf, and paint a picture of them as the evil scum of the earth. You do NOT know the whole story and the complete scenario of events leading to their current situation, please stop filling in the gaps with whatever suits your distorted views.


Tell us the whole story sammyface since apparently you know more than the courts an the lawyers.



Yes, Amiga Inc. doesn't have much income at the moment and are currently doing

Not much income at the moment - is this the best you can reason with? So apparent and irrefutable and you state the obvious.


everything they can in order to get another round of funding. It's not the

Another round of funding! Love it! When was the Last round of funding since you KNOW the whole story?


first time they have been in this situation and they have been able to sort it out before. However, you make it sound like it would be evil for a company to not be successful all the time and that they are doing this for the sake of making people's life miserable. For christ sake, how much sense would that make? I'm sorry but they don't work for free because they don't think that
their business plan has an enormous potential and they sure as he** don't work for free because they have a plan to rip off the Amiga community. They work for

They work for free or don't work for free? You want to work for free because the company you "work" for doesn't want to pay you?


free because they are determined to achieve what they were originaly set out to achieve and they work for free because they intend to repay everything they owe, both to themselves and the community. Why are you so determined to do everything you can to stop them?


Yeah - and Ryan is going to "repay" the $335K judgement also. EVERYONE INTENDS to pay - sammyface - IF AND WHEN you pay tells the story.

Everything to stop them - billyboy and the rest of the crew have stoppedd themselves.

I cannot believe that a person greater than the age of 18 has such a low level of comprehension and is so totally inable to form judgements based upon facts.

Well recess is over - time for you to go back and play in the sandbox with the rest of the kiddies.
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 254 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 25-Nov-2003 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 253 (Rich Woods):
They are employed, otherwise Amiga Inc. wouldn't own them a single dime.

Furhtermore, I know very well that it's illegal to not pay your employees, why do you have such a problem to comprehend that I do acknowledge this as a fact?

Anyway, while I may not have a law degree, I'm starting to wonder if you really have a grade school degree. I mean, is it really that hard to read what I write?
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 255 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 25-Nov-2003 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 254 (samface):
Typo. Please replace "own" with "owe".
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 256 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 25-Nov-2003 22:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 252 (samface):
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A little piece of advise; PLEASE STOP TRYING TO SPEAK ON OTHER PEOPLE'S BEHALF.
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I'm just speaking the truth Samface, sure you arent scared of me letting people know the truth so they can make up their own mind.

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If Amiga Inc.'s employees are willing to continue working for Amiga Inc. for free in order to to keep the dreams and hopes they had when starting the company alive, who are you to stop them?
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They are welcome to work however they want for Amiga Inc, however since they are not being paid and should have no expectation that they will be paid their missing wages in the future, they are not employees in my opinion, and from reading of washington law, the State of Washingtons opinion either.

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Yes, two people left Amiga Inc. and sued for unpayed salaries, but what did Amiga Inc. do to stop them? Exactly nothing. They didn't even try defending themselves and let the court issue a default judgement in the former employees favor. That tells me that they are NOT trying to rip their employees off and that everyone working for them has the choice to leave whenever they like.
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First of all, lots more then 2 people have left Amiga Inc, its just two who have sued them for back wages, so lets not get silly implying only two people have got off this unpaid ride. As for not defending themselves, they had no defense, they signed a contract, they didnt pay the employees, once the employees quit they wrote letter after letter to the lawyers and judges delaying the court cases, they got a default judgement because McEwen was afraid who would show up if he came to court. Lots of collectors would love to get ahold of him.

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You see, I imagine a group of people with a great idea for a business and a great opportunity for this idea with both funding and a once in a lifetime offer to purchase the intellectual property of a legacy. This group of people starts up a small company, well aware of the risks involved. About 2 or 3 years later, two people get tired of waiting for the great success to come along and leave. The rest of the group does nothing to stop them, not even when those two takes legal action against them. Do you still think of these people as evil employers trying to rip their employees off?
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The problem is you are imagining things and I am looking at the facts. In late 1999 Bill & Fleecy got together and formed Amino, they got VC and licensed the Amiga IP and announced Amiga Inc in early January of 2000, in either late March or early April of 2000 Fleecy had the developer meeting at the Gateway Show which earned him his Sheeplord title for all eternity. In December of 2000 they start short paying some of their employees, one of them, Matt Fontenot, leaves in May of 2001 (he eventually files suit in 2002 and wins his suit in 2003). That doesnt stop the gang from hiring more people (including Bolten Peck) despite the fact employees have already been leaving for not being paid. Amiga Incs history has alot more then the 11+2 you are talking about in fact, more then half of Amiga Incs staff is no longer with them, and virtually every one of them who left (and all of those still there) are owed money.

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What pisses me off is people like you, doing everything you can in order to kill the dreams and hopes of these people because you are ignorant enough to listen to certain other people with a certain agenda or because you simply are a part of that agenda and therefore will make use of every opportunity of slagging off at the competition.
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Samface, there isnt a grand conspiracy, you have to stop listening to Fleecy. Even before he went to work for Gateway, Fleecy was a pox on the community, he surely hasnt been more helpful since he became CTO of Amiga Inc.

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You do NOT know the whole story and the complete scenario of events leading to their current situation, please stop filling in the gaps with whatever suits your distorted views.
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The problem with you Sam, is you think you know the whole story. I've been around for all of it, I've known Fleecy since he first came to lie to the Amiga community in 1996 or 1997, sorry, but the way to know Fleecy is lying is whenever his tongue is wagging or his fingers are typing. He'll never tell the truth when a lie will do. My version (as you call it) of the story is backed up by the court documents, personal emails from Fleecy and Bill and contract letters, your conspiracy theory has nothing to back it up, you just believe it because your demigod Fleecy says its so.

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Yes, Amiga Inc. doesn't have much income at the moment and are currently doing everything they can in order to get another round of funding. It's not the first time they have been in this situation and they have been able to sort it out before.
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Where on earth did you get that lie??? Fleecy?? Amiga Inc has never got more funding. Unless we count the sCAM money or the Party Pak money or the SDK money (each year they gotten smaller amounts for their efforts at Fleecing the community). Those letters dating back to 2002 about new funding and the promises etc, from much earlier about new funding never happened. They got the original money and since then its just see how much we can trick out of the community.

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They work for free because they are determined to achieve what they were originaly set out to achieve and they work for free because they intend to repay everything they owe, both to themselves and the community. Why are you so determined to do everything you can to stop them?
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Samface, if I wanted to do everything I could to stop them, they would be stopped, period. Those left at Amiga Inc, pray McEwen can turn it around because thats the only way they will get any money for the last 18+ months of no pay and the 18 months before that of partial pay. I'm doing this to keep people from investing in Amiga Inc (as 1000's of us did with the SDK, as over 700 of us did with the Party Pak and of course with the most recent CAM which 1300 invested in) without knowing what they are getting into. Math really is fundamental Samface, and the math tells us that its impossible for Amiga Inc to sell enough OS 4.0 to pay off its debts and become solvent again, noone in their right mind thinks 100K+ units of OS 4.0 are going to ship. No mythical investor is going to change that fact, and no new VC is going to acquire what now is easily 3 million in debt to get access to what Tao will license for much less. I've spent $800 on SDKs and Party Paks from Amiga Inc, that frankly weren't worth the money, and mainly consisted of things Tao would send for free. Why dont you tell us why you follow a man (or Sheeplord if you prefer) who constantly threatens to sue people for posting negative things about his company, lies about phones, offices, T-Shirts, delivery dates, court cases, attendance at shows, and threatens to sue show and websites on a monthly basis?
-Tig
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 257 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 26-Nov-2003 00:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (Tigger):
>Why dont you tell us why you follow a man (or Sheeplord if you prefer)

No, why don't you tell me? I mean, I didn't even mention his name nor implied that any of my information would come from him.

Anyway, when it comes to investigating crimes you begin with the motive. Exactly what would Amiga Inc.'s motive be for ruining themselves as well as people working for them and their customers? And why keep working without pay when the company is so obviously going to remain insolvent? I mean, for beeing people that are trying to scam the Amiga community, I must say that they are awfully bad scammers. Aren't they supposed to disappear to some exotic island with a giant briefcase full of money?

I'm sorry Tigger but I really do think you lack the ability to see things from any other point of view than your own. I can understand the frustration of having to wait so long for them to deliver and I can understand the disappointment when they once more fail to keep things they have promised. But hey, there is another side of the story and I can assure you that their is just as much frustration and disappointment on that other side. All you have to do is open your eyes.
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 258 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 26-Nov-2003 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 256 (Tigger):
BTW:

>1000's of us did with the SDK, as over 700 of us did with the Party Pak and of
>course with the most recent CAM which 1300 invested in

That would be a total of somewhere near $235k. Considering that this is less than 2 months of salaries for Amiga Inc., does it really make sense to endanger their relationship with their customers for such insignificant amount of money? Please, out of all motives possible for selling these offers, ripping their small but loyal customer base off is not one of them.

I've also invested, well aware of that they are a small, foreign startup company and all the risks that comes with it. However, when it comes to your math about their budget, let's just let time tell, shall we? I mean, arguing about it makes no sense when it just means that one of us has to say (if he has not done so already) something he will have to regret.
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 259 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 26-Nov-2003 03:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 257 (samface):
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No, why don't you tell me? I mean, I didn't even mention his name nor implied that any of my information would come from him.
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Thats one of the funniest things you have posted in awhile. Fleecy is the source of your "inside" info whether he is feeding it to you directly or indirectly doesnt matter. If you dont understand that its even more funny.

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Anyway, when it comes to investigating crimes you begin with the motive. Exactly what would Amiga Inc.'s motive be for ruining themselves as well as people working for them and their customers?
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See you start out wrong, and then go from there. McEwen and Fleecy didnt start out to steal money from the community, they started out to take Amiga Inc public
and retire with millions of dollars. McEwen told literally 50 of us that at Gateway 2000, just neither of them was competant enough to make the company even mildly profitable so something like that could be done.

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And why keep working without pay when the company is so obviously going to remain insolvent? I mean, for beeing people that are trying to scam the Amiga community, I must say that they are awfully bad scammers. Aren't they supposed to disappear to some exotic island with a giant briefcase full of money?
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Because at this point they arent doing a whole lot, and Bill is still telling them the money is coming soon, and on that great white hope they are hanging their dreams because even the worst paid of them is owed 50K+ at this point, and many much more then that. Most of them are working at other places Sam, you do realize that right???

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I'm sorry Tigger but I really do think you lack the ability to see things from any other point of view than your own. I can understand the frustration of having to wait so long for them to deliver and I can understand the disappointment when they once more fail to keep things they have promised. But hey, there is another side of the story and I can assure you that their is just as much frustration and disappointment on that other side. All you have to do is open your eyes.
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Samface what other side??? You love to go on and on about the other side, where is it?? Did they pay employees on this other side you are talking about?? Did they not spend the coupon money on the other side??? Did they send the T-Shirts at this other side?? Did Fleecy not send letters threating lawsuits on this other side??? You guys are so into this Genesi vs Amiga Inc (or Blue vs Red I hear we are calling it now) that you dont understand that Amiga Inc has self destructed, it has nothing to do with anyone else. They decided to give up the classic platform, they decided to not go with PPC, they decided to launch DE incredibly poorly, they decided to rent office space beyond their means, they decided to late pay and miss paychecks instead of letting people go. They decided to not pay rent and got kicked out of their offices, they decided to lie about losing the offices and try and get $1,000,000 with what became CAM (remember they were shooting for 20K users to buy a $50 coupon). They decided not to tell anyone that OS 4.0 wasnt being worked on before they got Hyperion to start it up. None of this was caused by some secret Cabal working in the background, it was all self inflicted by Amiga Inc, and all of it (plus 8 lawsuits) all occurred before Thendic sued Amiga. So frankly blaming Genesi for Amiga Incs woes is silly. The company has been mismanaged since day 1, its produced virtually no product, its debts are huge, and its income tiny and what exactly do you believe is going to be the product that will turn it around??
-Tig
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 260 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 26-Nov-2003 05:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 258 (samface):
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That would be a total of somewhere near $235k. Considering that this is less than 2 months of salaries for Amiga Inc., does it really make sense to endanger their relationship with their customers for such insignificant amount of money? Please, out of all motives possible for selling these offers, ripping their small but loyal customer base off is not one of them.
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Actually probably closer to $500K, they sold over 3000 SDKs according to McEwen, that gives us about that number. They sold the SDKs when they still had money and I really think they thought they had a winner on their hands. Then the updates are less then a trickle, the well publicized comments showing that DE wouldnt work as a root OS by one of Tao's founder, and we have a reboot. Somewhere in here they start slow paying employees and several leave. Then we have the Party Pak fiasco which raises them hardly any money, and then they lose their offices. So instead of doing something smart we have the offer that becomes CAM (which Bill thinks is going to sell 50,000 copies according to the Executive update, but which he is sure will sell 20K copies). We have also Amiwest 2002, or Amiga Threat Bowl 2002 as many like to call it, as basically Bill snaps and both publically and privately threatens to sue pretty much 1/2 the Amiga community with his prepaid lawyers which dont actually exist. He also forgets to tell people that they have been kicked out of their offices at this point, something they continue to deny until their stuff gets auctioned off (and even then someone trys to claim they are performing the auction) the following year. Once again Sam, you keep acting like I think they are clever con men, they aren't, they are incompetant businessman, that doesnt mean that they havent buried Amiga Inc under huge debt with a high negative burn rate and no prospective large sources of income, it just means that wasnt their intention. You do the math Sam. How much does Amiga Inc get for the sale of each $100 OS 4.0??? How many are they going to have to sell to pay off the 1300 coupons (hint they get lots less then $50 a copy) they sold with CAM and the 700 $100 coupons they sold as part of the Party Pak. Gee thats getting to be a pretty big number isnt it Sam?? Ok now how many more to pay off Bolten, Matt, Airborne Express, the Landlord, the other creditors? Gee thats getting really big isnt it?? Do you really think they can sell 10's of thousands of copies of OS 4.0?? And then they need to pay Ray, Gary, Barry, Gordon, Bill etc, each of them requiring 1000's more units sold just to pay their back pay. Do you really believe thats going to happen???

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However, when it comes to your math about their budget, let's just let time tell, shall we? I mean, arguing about it makes no sense when it just means that one of us has to say (if he has not done so already) something he will have to regret.
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What do you think is wrong Sam. I took most of the info to calculate their burn rate from McEwens sworn testimony and the employee documents. Now most of its to go to the big 3, they apparently are worth ove 100K a month to Amiga Inc given the debt mentioned and them time they havent been paid. Then we have 8 or nine more people they are not paying but which are theoretically debt each month, then we have several thousand on interest on the judgements. And of course once these people start getting paid, Amiga Inc owes their half of FICA, umemployment etc. Even without benefits (which they owe their employees according to their contracts) thats still the cost of doing business factor of at least 20% thats going to get added in for that above. Still think my number is really high??
-Tig
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 261 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 26-Nov-2003 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 260 (Tigger):
Whatever, Tigger. Hey, wanna buy a moustach?

http://pulp.2y.net/news/article52.html

I mean, why argue with arguments like that?
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 262 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 26-Nov-2003 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 261 (samface):
Gee a broken URL, and no reponse on my I am wrong, what the "other side" is I should be seeing, and why I should believe in a grand conspiracy that there is no proof exists, when I have all this evidence of the actual incompetance at work at Amiga Inc.
-Tig
Motion for Summary Judgement Against Amiga to be Heard on Nov 21, 2003. : Comment 263 of 263ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 26-Nov-2003 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 261 (samface):
Gee a broken URL, and no reponse on my I am wrong, what the "other side" is I should be seeing, and why I should believe in a grand conspiracy that there is no proof exists, when I have all this evidence of the actual incompetance at work at Amiga Inc.
-Tig
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