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Posted on 17-Nov-2003 19:18 GMT by bbrv161 comments
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At today's hearing of the Tribunal of Commerce in Paris a judgment was rendered declaring Pretory, S.A. in bankruptcy and appointing a receiver. The process finally will now begin to transfer Thendic-France's assets to Genesi SARL. Our situation with Pretory S.A. has been a long and difficult one. In all matters we have cooperated with the French Government and agreed to close the Company in a coordinated and proper manner. Time will demonstrate that we have behaved properly and legally in all respects as shareholders and managers. In no way will these matters effect Genesi. Finally, we are personally free to devote the time and resources we want to the Genesi. Sincerely, Raquel and Bill
Thendic-France : Comment 51 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2003 07:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
Heh, I guess he didn't fool you either?
Thendic-France : Comment 52 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 18-Nov-2003 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (gary_c):
DaveP wrote:
"It's an accepted practice in business and politics, etc., if there's potentially controversial news or something that's apt to be misunderstood or misportrayed, to deliver the news yourself rather than go into quiet mode and let everyone else interpret the news to themselves and each other."

Yep.

"From a cynical view this is putting the first spin on the story; but it's also being upfront about things."

Quite. It is the /opportunity/ to put the first spin on the story.



"I don't know why the fact that Genesi staff or Pegasos users or whoever chimed in would make the initial post any less credible."

Maybe its because I am used to British politics ;-) If a political entity wants
to get a point across and their aides are concerned that they have not re-inforced
the message, vigourous "I agree" and on message statements follow quickly afterwards
before anyone else has a chance to vocalise an opinion. The pattern immediately
provokes suspicion, even if it is entirely innocent.

> Is it conspiracy theory time once again? ;-)

No thats just you speculating ;-)


> It's pretty much impossible to simply slip those characters into this position because the contexts (both external circumstances and the
> self-created situations/dilemmas) are so different.

Ahem. Disagree. Not that the situations and dilemmas are so different but that you cannot
recognise your own predisposition to believe A over B and therefore apply more cynicism to A than
you do B. I am asking T_Bone to flip A and B in his mind to get him to assess how his
own reactions change. Keep the story the same, flip the character names and company names ( apart
from his unalloyed delight that would result ).

> "history of deception and obfuscation"

Erm, come on, Atari? We have ported AmigaDE? We will port AmigaDE? You should
all know by now that Gary Hare has taken over? Mai has no customers then later Mai
has customers but they are dropping them? We have won the case.

Its all a matter of perspective.

Its not the people, but the pattern that triggers suspicion. I accept I have
my own prejudice, I'd like others to see they have theirs too.

Dave.
Thendic-France : Comment 53 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by SJ on 18-Nov-2003 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
Hehe, just what I was thinking :)
Thendic-France : Comment 54 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 18-Nov-2003 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (greenboy):
> I would guess that the word you search for is not really "plaudit", but "pundit". I could be mistaken.

No, you are correct, Im just shortcutting 10 years of language evolution. Look 10 years
into the future ..... [ woooo! ] .... see everyone using "plaudit" to describe those that
applaud as well as the action? Saw it here first ;-)

> "Actually, if I hear some of "the usual suspects" making plauditory oratory,
> as is so often the case with your side as well,"

My side.

> I expect it has something to do with faith that in spite of mountain problems
> there is someone with good abilities and dedication working at them, making them
> into passable molehills.
> We'll see in due time who is who if we can't already.

Yep.

> Anyway, like any other thread with a capital G, H or A in it, I'm sure we'll continue
> to hear from the usual suspects from either side of the fence (you always seem to be there):

Candyman Candyman Candyman.

> some who aren't so noted for tons of posts, some who are,

Im sure someone racks up a score somewhere. Maybe theres files on each and every
one of us ;-)

> some who can be counted on to find nails when they think some Pine Box pounding might be possible,
> some who aren't so zealous.

;-)


Dave.
Thendic-France : Comment 55 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 18-Nov-2003 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Yes, to be clever.
Thendic-France : Comment 56 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 18-Nov-2003 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Senex):
To explain my comment that some might call "plauditory": The reaction to this news-item depends on the recipient's knowledge at the moment he's reading it. Of course the whole affair and especially its consequences for the former employees is very, very sad - no doubt. But for those who did know about the trouble with Pretory SA, it's good news then at least that now finally this stuff is history and Genesi can move on. That I, too, am feeling with those now unemployed, that should be obvious, I think.
Thendic-France : Comment 57 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 18-Nov-2003 09:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
LOL! You guys crack me up.

BTW, anyone besides me that has noticed that there are just about as many bancrupcies involving Genesi people (in one way or the other) as Amiga itself? I mean Escom, VisCorp, Phase5, and now Thendic. Is Bill Buck the official Amiga business undertaker or something? ;-)

Please note the smiley, I mean it.
Thendic-France : Comment 58 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 18-Nov-2003 09:27 GMT
> To explain my comment that some might call "plauditory": The reaction to this news-item depends on the recipient's knowledge at the moment he's reading it.

...or to what he has been told to be good news.

> That I, too, am feeling with those now unemployed, that should be obvious, I think.

Now, with your tail between your legs, yes, it's obvious :)
Thendic-France : Comment 59 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2003 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Ben Yoris):
He look guys, it's Ben "I was soooooo excited about the feature" Yoris.
Thendic-France : Comment 60 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (samface):
Well, sound good for a nice UT nick: Bill - The undertaker - Buck :-)

Now get these nice cartoons coming ;-)
Thendic-France : Comment 61 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Nov-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (samface):
Sorry Samface, Escom WAS Amiga Inc... They weren't Genesi people...
Viscorp collapsed much time after BB's departure.
Phase5 was there for more than ANY Amiga Inc. (except Commodore of course).
Thendic-France : Comment 62 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Nov-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Well, Genesi, as a company, doesn't have any ties with Pretory SA.
I'm just curious about the Thendic France part of the company.
It was stated that Thendic France managed to become a seperate entity,
breaking any ties with Pretory, so that they can join Genesi.

@BB&RV:

Can you clarify that issue?
Thendic-France : Comment 63 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 18-Nov-2003 10:35 GMT
*sigh*

While I agree with previous comments that there is obviously some spin in the reporting and analysis of the consequences of this story, I have to wonder what some people expect.

Would people have reacted better if BBRV had not reported it?
Would people have reacted better if they simply reported the story and gave no explanation as to their involvement in it?
Would people have reacted better if the said "it was all out fault and we're horribly evil and nasty people"?

No. BBRV did exactly the right thing in reporting the story and getting out there with their take on events first.

Amiga Inc could do worse than follow their example, only I fear that in their case it's too late. Much too late.

As for the story itself, I simply don't know enough about the issue to comment either way. People losing their jobs is never a happy event though.
Thendic-France : Comment 64 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 18-Nov-2003 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Oppressor):
@Oppressor:

Thendic aren't going bankrupt, they're being transferred to Genesi. Pretory is
going bankrupt, I might add voluntarily. BIG difference.

@Comment 38 (Anonymous (207.46.228.14)):

Genesi isn't affected in the slightest by this, certainly not in any capacity
of damage control, and only slightly by owning Thendic-France instead of
simply using their staff and offices. Genesi's upper management are busy doing
Genesi stuff which is exactly how it should be.

It's fun to see the Amiga zealots jump in and try and make out that Genesi is
in as much trouble as Amiga, and in admitting that another company of bbrv's
has gone down the pan somehow makes them untrustworthy and sneaky.

Genesi has plenty of distance between it and Pretory, and neither company is
deceiving users with t-shirt campaigns or propaganda newsletters with a $50
subscription cost, or making last-ditch deals with Microsoft (of all people!)
in contradiction to rousing speeches made in years past. Genesi is not being
sued for breach of contract, and is not $2m in debt with only $100 in the
bank account. They have offices around the world (you can go and visit them if
you like!) and attend nearly every show going, and even create their own.

How is Genesi in trouble, then, and how are our wonderful bosses somehow
evil slime? :)

=Neko=
Thendic-France : Comment 65 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by John on 18-Nov-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (samface):
For a Amiga fan you really need to learn the history, Escom is the former Amiga name well before your crooked heroes go in so it has nothing to do with Genesi, at least Buck does not steal from Amiga users but your heroes do.

Samface why do you support criminals but attack a company what is active in ths community? surely as a Amiga user you would like conmen hidden under a Amiga name to be exposed and vanish from the Amiga market so the platfrom can breath instead of being chokedo r maybe you like crooks running the show?
Thendic-France : Comment 66 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 18-Nov-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
So one anon is representing the whole "red" camp now?

geesh, i feel sorry for you *AND* that anonymous coward. (Not to mention the people who lost their jobs)

A company folding is always bad news, here in Belgium ford is "letting go" 3000 people, Pretory employed 700+, instead of bitching about it, we should atleast show our sympathy to the people whom lost their jobs & income.

Cheers
Thendic-France : Comment 67 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 18-Nov-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Christophe Decanini):
Hey, it a theory like any other, no need for reality or facts when cooking up conspiracy theories ;)

Cheers
Thendic-France : Comment 68 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 18-Nov-2003 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (bbrv):
I don't know why they refused, but i think it's better to let this thing in the court untill the trial is over, wouldn't you agree?

No matter what you or anyone says, there will always be people not believing you, the court outcome however, would be indesputable.

I'm not supporting you in this case, nor am i condamning you for it, i know to little of it, but you sure do make alot of fuss about it, and that makes people think you're doing it precisely to bankrupt Ainc.

Whatever the reasons are, whatever the outcome is, i don't really care, just get it over with ;)

Cheers
Thendic-France : Comment 69 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 18-Nov-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Bill Hoggett):
> While I agree with previous comments that there is obviously some spin in the reporting and analysis of the consequences of this story, I have to
> wonder what some people expect.

Ahem. The reaction of one person was explained in these terms when it was queried.

> Would people have reacted better if BBRV had not reported it?

Nope. No argument there.

> Would people have reacted better if they simply reported the story and gave no explanation as to their involvement in it?

Nope. No argument there.

> Would people have reacted better if the said "it was all out fault and we're horribly evil and nasty people"?

Nope. No argument there.

You are missing one, which is indeed the point that I have tried to make all along:

> "Would people have reacted better if the plaudits ( I'm using this now ) hadn't leapt so quickly "

Yes. Because if you do something that fits a known pattern in /good/ PR firm circles
you trigger a reaction. The reaction might happen anyway, but you almost guarantee it.

However, it could be unwitting, self motivated or organised, that does not matter. The
point is the pattern is set. :-) Without the aide-de-camp posting so quickly in a thread
it would have played much better. However that is "spin doctoring" of another kind.

> BBRV did exactly the right thing in reporting the story and getting out there with their take on events first.

Who is complaining about that? Of course its the right thing to do.

Dave.
Thendic-France : Comment 70 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 18-Nov-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Bill Hoggett):
Agree.. I don't know enough either... but I prefer company owners to tell things out when they happen.

Job losses are never fun nor good news .. Yesterday.. Local telecom subsidiary kicked out about 10% of their remaining workers (similar happend year ago on same company and it's been going a lot on last two years areount that industry) and my close friend were among them. It's a deep shock for someone who's been working there for yers and recovery takes time..

Commenting abot Ainc.. well. better if I don't, you all know what I think.
Thendic-France : Comment 71 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 18-Nov-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (bbrv):
Heh ;)

Cheers
Thendic-France : Comment 72 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 18-Nov-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
chopping off his posting hand? that's abit drastic, i'd say revoke his netaccess for afew weeks ;)

Cheers
Thendic-France : Comment 73 of 161ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Flamebait, profanity
Thendic-France : Comment 74 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 18-Nov-2003 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alan Redhouse the twat):
Now that was a truly impressive addition to the debate. You must be so proud.

Why dont you do something equally mature like DoS attack a few servers next?
Thendic-France : Comment 75 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 18-Nov-2003 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alan Redhouse the twat):
Not exactlly constructive..

I shall add my two shillings. I think that this attepmt at transparency and letting people know whats going on is to be welcomed. I have a few reservations about the levels of transparency, but that aside, anything that provides open honesty round here is welcomed, well, by me anyway..

AdmV
Thendic-France : Comment 76 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 18-Nov-2003 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alan Redhouse the twat):
How many Amiga Inc supporters do you see? You are being overly paranoide there buddy, not to mention vulgar, childish & inmature.

Do you like to paint "your" side bad? Because that's what you are doing.

Amiga Inc may or may not be criminals, sofar they're still walking arround freely (and probabyl hiding at the slightest noice but i disgress), so logicly, they aren't criminals.

I don't agree with many of the things they've done (actually, the only good thing they ever did was hand over development of AOS4 to Hyperion), and frankly, i don't give a rats ass.

Cheers
Thendic-France : Comment 77 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 18-Nov-2003 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Alan Redhouse the twat):
Just goes to show that there are some prize idiots on both sides.

Shaouldn't that post have been moderated already?
Thendic-France : Comment 78 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Alfie Moon on 18-Nov-2003 12:03 GMT
"heart attack king peake"

While i wish Peake, Moss, Akey, McEwen would be locked up behind bars with the key thrown away, i think comments making fun out of peoples health is not on and the person must be punished.

Regarding Amiga Inc, I do give a rats ass when those theiving bastards have took peoples money and keep getting away with it because Amiga die hards are a soft target, lets bring these law breakers to justice.
Thendic-France : Comment 79 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 18-Nov-2003 12:07 GMT
While positive towards MorphOS (the operating system) and Pegasos owner myself,
my whole point is that bbrv are obviously seeking dominance over forums and have
found followers (if volunteeringly, planned, by sympathy, doesn't matter) in doing so,
seemingly making people stop thinking on their own behalf. That pisses me off. bbrv,
this attitude sucks. Stop it. Ralph Schmidt himself declared publicly that Amiga is too
small a market for making a prosperous business, so why don't you get back to your
working desk and make Genesi prosper. You will rewarded by this community if you
succeed. Every potential follower IS already a follower, you will scare off the rest of
us with this hyperactive mockery in news forums.

Senex, I didn't mean to attack you personally. Sorry. That was quite oppressive of me.
Thendic-France : Comment 80 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 18-Nov-2003 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Bill Hoggett):
> Shouldn't that post have been moderated already?

I can't monitor ANN 24/7.

With that in mind, if there's some abusive content and I haven't removed it yet, a quick email to me or one of the moderators usually does the trick (pending verification).
Thendic-France : Comment 81 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by stumpy on 18-Nov-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Christian Kemp):
Alfie Moon?

You sound more like Paul_Gadd to me?
Thendic-France : Comment 82 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 18-Nov-2003 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Oppressor):
@oppressor

No problem. :-)
Thendic-France : Comment 83 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 18-Nov-2003 12:59 GMT
That is a thought-provoking collection of opinions and posts. I am reminded of this passage (Bill writing now): "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." From our perspective it is hard to imagine that we could be perceived as being so powerful and so manipulative to do some of the things suggested here. In this thread there was absolutely no coordinated effort on our part to do anything. We received an email about the matter from our lawyers in Paris. A couple of hours later we received an email about discussions on IRC channels. We posted. Simple. The depth of ignorance and absence of any comprehensible reason behind some of the posts is nearly tragic. What world do some of you live in? Example, "US Army basics of propaganda for wartime use" -- you think we coordinated that dialogue with Nate? -- are you serious?! On the other hand, some anonymously or forthrightly have made good points. We were certainly not complaining about the management of the Pretory in the last quarter of 2001 when for the first time the Company made a significant profit. All that glitters is not gold. In any case, it is a sad story, which is still fully untold. Anyone in France knows the first journalistic barrages unanswered usually mean that a legal procedure in in process. In this case there are a number of them. There are some long knives out in this situation much more powerful than Raquel and I or Pretory itself. Pretory's main customer was Air France. Air France is primarily owned by the Government. Last year, Air France generated nearly 11 billion Euros of revenue; Pretory nearly 25 million. See the difference.

Pretory is being closed because of a very specific reason, which will not be public for some time, here, or in the French Press. We have decided to publish a book though...;-) It should be ready in a year. Check back then.

Sincerely,
R&B
Thendic-France : Comment 84 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 18-Nov-2003 13:52 GMT
Hi bbrv

> " Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

Very good. I can only second to that :)

> In any case, it is a sad story, which is still fully untold. Anyone in France knows the first
journalistic barrages unanswered usually mean that a legal procedure in in process.

For my part it's completely unrelated to Amiga news. And if somebody else considered
this worthy to be listed as a news item (I know this is fully subjective), you see what harm
it may cause if you constantlly trample on people's nerves. People stop differentiating.

The "usual suspects" are actually suspects.
Thendic-France : Comment 85 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by EmpathyLesson on 18-Nov-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Alfie Moon):
"While i wish Peake, Moss, Akey, McEwen would be locked up behind bars with the key thrown away, i think comments making fun out of peoples health is not on and the person must be punished."

If I wasn't so empathic, I'd be wishing that your employer falls into a similar situation so that we can all pass blanket judgement on you. In fact, I'd advocate that we lock up ALL employees of all companies that make an offer (or offers) and falls on hard times.

But then, that's not me. some of us get no entertainment from others' hard times like some of those here with sad excuses for life. Notice I didn't say all, as there are good people here too. However, I do feel sorry for you, poor misinformed soul. You know not what you do.
Thendic-France : Comment 86 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 18-Nov-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Have I missed anything?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

10. We all live happily ever after...
Thendic-France : Comment 87 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 18-Nov-2003 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I said involved with, as in having any form of relation to the issue, not beeing the actual cause for it. Bill & Raquel personally paid the salaries and social/tax of the Amiga Inc. personnel from June 1996 through November 1996 as an arrangement they made with the Escom Bankruptcy Trustee. That made them very much involved in the Escom bancrupcy, though I'm not saying that they would have anything to do with the actual cause for the bancrupcy. If you think about the other companies I mentioned, I'm quite sure you're capable of figuring out the relation to them. All I ever said is that their names are like the red line in many Amiga related bancrupcies. However, keep in mind that this was a joke, as in I'm not actually saying anything constructive here. You should not attach any more importance to this than the famous "Amiga curse", which is a loose theory about every company ever getting involved with the Amiga brand goes bancrupt.
Thendic-France : Comment 88 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 18-Nov-2003 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Amon_Re):
>>>>
I'm not supporting you in this case, nor am i condamning you for it, i know to little of it, but you sure do make alot of fuss about it, and that makes people think you're doing it precisely to bankrupt Ainc.
>>>>

In January 2003, Thendic filed a lawsuit against Amiga Inc, it was the 9th lawsuit filed against Amiga Inc, its strange that the 9th lawsuit is the one everyone says is an attempt to bankrupt the company, financially they had been broke for at least 5 months then. Why are the landlords suits not thought of as attempts to bankrupt AI, how about the state of washington trying to collect its taxes, how about Bolten, Matt or Airborne Express, are they also part of a grand conspiracy?? January is 7 months after they stopped paying everyones salary, it was months after they had been evicted from their offices, had their phones taken away etc. It was over 3 months since TBone and I both sent Pizzas to Amiga Inc headquarters after Fleecy flat out lied that they were still in the offices. It was months after the sCAM event which put money into someones pocket but which still has not lead to coupons or T-Shirts for anyone (for those counting in 45 days we will have the first anniversay of Fleecy telling us the late T-Shirts are coming RSN). According to court documents, late payments and mispayments to employees (and landlords) date back to December 2000, I have alot of trouble blaming anything that happens in 2003 for Amiga Incs financial problems when they have a continuous history of not paying their bills in full dating back to December of 2000, and havent had offices for well over a year now.
-Tig
Thendic-France : Comment 89 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Nov-2003 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (bbrv):
>We have decided to publish a book though...;-) It should be ready in a year.
>Check back then.

And the the first page will read:

"Dedicated to my good friend Bill McEwan. Without your kind assisance and cooperation, this book could never have been published."
Thendic-France : Comment 90 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 18-Nov-2003 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (DaveP):
> For someone who is normally pretty cynical about anything that moves I find
> your attitude here astounding ( and your claim on MooBunny that Genesi and
> Amiga Inc are only competitors in the paranoid minds of Fleecy and Bill
> McE ).

I'd throw cynisism in the other direction too if Genesi would give me some zingers to work with. Just one, that's all I ask, give me some material! :D

Re: Democrats

:D
Thendic-France : Comment 91 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 18-Nov-2003 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Tigger):
Due to the noise generated by, amongst others, BBRV.

Like i said, i'm not saying they *are* trying to bankrupt AmigaInc, hell, i'm just as suprised as you as to why they haven't folded yet :)

I have issue's with BBRV, i know that, and he knows that, and most regulars know that aswell, that doesn't mean i'm going to call him satan.

When i wrote the thing to wich you replied it was an example as to why people see things that way.

Personally, i think the last year or so could've been much more pleasant on all of us if several people had kept their mouths shut, and those people are on both sides of the fence.

Alot of things could've been handled better, and if they had been, there would've been much more animosity(?) amongst us all, instead of all this fighting & bickering.

I give you an example, on the BAS show in the Netherlands i & Ryu were joking about the superbundle, and we were nearly flamed to /dev/null for that, just because we *joked* about that freaking thing!

There's lots of bad blood, and i'm just as guilty in that as most of us are here, but if you think about it for afew minutes you'll see how stupid it all really is, just because some people made alot of noice in the past :(

Now, what's done is done, it's time to move on, and i try to refrain from attacking other people, but sometimes old habits die hard.

Cheers
Thendic-France : Comment 92 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 18-Nov-2003 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Amon_Re):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
/dev/null
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

you mean >NIL: surly :-)
Thendic-France : Comment 93 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2003 21:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (bbrv):
> you think we coordinated that dialogue with Nate? -- are you serious?!

Well, it wouldn't be the first times you and your friends and employees have played tag team posting here and elsewhere.
Thendic-France : Comment 94 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 18-Nov-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Anonymous):
> Well, it wouldn't be the first times you and your friends and employees have played tag team posting here and elsewhere.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The material! I mean, the "bitchslap" reference was a little funny, but the material just isn't as good as the gems Amiga Inc throw out.

I still chuckle when I think of Fleecy explaining the (assumed) server down as "We planned this to coincide with my brother in law's wedding" only to turn out there was no server move at that time. There's just no way genesi can top the comedic brilliance of these beauties!

I think I'll have to buy a few AmigaOnes just to keep the material coming. You have to admit that these sites would be DAMN boring if Amiga went bust and genesi was the only game in town.

I mean, seriously, can a bunch of "Peg Pong" references ever make you laugh as much as the "brother in law's wedding" quote. No offense BBRV, but Fleecy is so much more entertaining! :D
Thendic-France : Comment 95 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 18-Nov-2003 22:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Darrin):
I continue to be shocked how many people who say they are fans of Amiga have not learned to spell "McEwen" yet. I see it spalt rong by so many otters I begin to doubt my own memory.

But I have a mnemonic: Just think "Fleecy" ... and "Mc-EWE-an" just seems to follow.
Thendic-France : Comment 96 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 18-Nov-2003 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (greenboy):
Hmmm, coming to think of it, this poor spelling syndrome has really impacted the Amiga community in other ways. Take for instance the Garry Hare tragedy: Recall the famous "Gary Hare??? Sorry, we don't have a Gary Hare registered here ... Oh? You mean GARRY Hare - well, in THAT case -".

Basil Fawlty - er, Fleecy - would never have had to have his memory jogged if the initial post mentioning Garry Hare had just SPELLED THE NAME CORRECTLY. Numerous flame wars could have been averted - and why - Amiga Inc might have even been able to represent itself in court as having procured funds more than $100 simply by knowing that the business card did in fact belong to someone who briefly was one of their own!

Tsssk, such are the vicissitudes of history...

Now it occurs to me: as Amigans, we need a contextual spell checker badly should we wish to heal our community wounds and make an impact on the rest of the computing world. It would be nice if this amazing application, once written, was EVENTUALLY ported from Windows x86 boxes to the Linux Ones, and to Pegasos machines running MorphOS, Linux, and *BSD - and leave us not forget those who use AROS! Nor the staunch friends pcushing Amiga 500 computers to new heights either!

In summary, this app I think would allow us to become supreme in computing once again! And THEN who would worry about IBM partnerships?
Thendic-France : Comment 97 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 18-Nov-2003 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Anonymous):
> > you think we coordinated that dialogue with Nate? -- are you serious?!
> Well, it wouldn't be the first times you and your friends and employees have played tag team posting here and elsewhere.

To the best of my knowledge, bbrv briefly toyed with the idea of, shall we say, using the forums strategically in a coordinated way. However, the idea didn't really get implemented in any meaningful way. (Of course I could have been out of the loop on anything that *did* get implemented, but if so that means quite a few other "friends and employees" were also out of the loop, which rather defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

bbrv sometimes privately emails friends and employees to participate in forum discussions, true, but these are simply requests to take part in brainstorming such as in the game thread at amiga.org, to get a wide spectrum of views and some depth in the discussion. The point of these invitations has always been constructive discussion about a Genesi idea, for example (as DaveP and others can attest), not PR face-saving or anti-Amiga, Inc. flash mobbing. This is my honest opinion, for what it's worth.

-- gary_c
Thendic-France : Comment 98 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 19-Nov-2003 02:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (bbrv):
something to do with the french security or inteligence services?
Thendic-France : Comment 99 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2003 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (bbrv):
I guess you'll sell 600 copies of the book, the first few will have a weak binding and fall apart at the seams. Then you'll say your publisher doesn't know what he's doing, and you'll come up with some "april" duct tape to hold the books together, and everyone who buys the book will be saying how it's such a good read, even if the binding is falling apart. When others point and laugh, they'll say that even though their book sucks, it is the first (and only) amiga book to have been written in ages, so it's more of an amiga book than the other ones. And the book is only the first one, written only for true amigans. Your real plan is to sell encyclopedias to the mass market, which will be smaller and easier to read than those made by the other companies.

;)
Thendic-France : Comment 100 of 161ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald on 19-Nov-2003 04:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Anonymous):
At least he'll be publishing something unlike the other guys. lol ;)
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