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[News] MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers!ANN.lu
Posted on 21-Nov-2003 16:03 GMT by Senex69 comments
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MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers!
Developers range from over 50 countries. MDC hit 400 today. Congratulations to all of you. The Connection has been a progressively useful tool to all those involved because you contribute and work together to advance the operating system and the platform. Also, special congratulations to the Core MorphOS Development Team and especially to Ralph Schmidt. :-D We salute you!

Thanks also to Felix Schwarz who created the site and moderates it. Felix is working on MDC2 which will be based on Callisto and is coming!

MorphOS is destined to be at a computer near you soon!

Great work!

R&B
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 51 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bob on 22-Nov-2003 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Bill Hoggett):
@Nate

Who had the contracts for getting AmigaDE running on "Genesi"<--i.e. bPlan hardware?

@Kronos

Both the Pegasos and the AmigaOne meet the zico spec, other than the requirement for a Matrox video chipset.

@Bill

Yeah, when I was talking of the zico spec I did mix in the AmigaOS dongle requirement, which came in later on with Hyperion and Eyetech.

All I'm arguing is that bPlan may have potentially breached their end of the contract. Wasn't it the contracts between bPlan to provide a zico-spec machine and for Amiga to provide the software (AmigaDE) to run on it? Or is it with another party?
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 52 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 22-Nov-2003 21:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Bob):
@Bob
Zico demaded FireWire-
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 53 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 22-Nov-2003 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Bob):
@Bob

> All I'm arguing is that bPlan may have potentially breached their end of the
> contract. Wasn't it the contracts between bPlan to provide a zico-spec machine
> and for Amiga to provide the software (AmigaDE) to run on it? Or is it with
> another party?

There was no such contract.

The contract was between Amiga Inc and Thendic France, and it was for Amiga Inc to port AmigaDE to Thendic's devices. Of course, at the time it was made, Thendic were independent of bPlan and there was no Genesi. The devices in question were handhelds or STBs, however it appears that the actual nature of the device was not specified in the contract. Genesi's position is that they have inherited Thendic's contracts (which appears to be uncontested) and that since there is no clause in the contract specifying qualifying devices, Amiga Inc are contractually bound to port AmigaDE to the Pegasos should Genesi require them to do so.

While this is still subject to the judge's decision at the trial, it does appear that Amiga Inc are victims of their own inability to draw up finite watertight agreements coupled with the fact that they've never had the resources to bring AmigaDE to a useful level of completion.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 54 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 23-Nov-2003 02:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Bill Hoggett):
"there is no clause in the contract specifying qualifying devices, Amiga Inc are contractually bound to port AmigaDE to the Pegasos should Genesi require them to do so."

Actually, have another look at the documents samface or Rich posted. When I viewed them, I saw a specific device list in which Pegasos was not present.

"it does appear that Amiga Inc are victims of their own inability to draw up finite watertight agreements"

That's *your* opinion from *your* perspective as an outsider. However, that perspective doesn't mean much of anything. It is the judge's perspective who will decide whether to vindicate Amiga or not, and it is the lawyers who will help the judge form that perspective.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 55 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 23-Nov-2003 02:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Ray A. Akey):
@Ray Akey

> Actually, have another look at the documents samface or Rich posted. When I
> viewed them, I saw a specific device list in which Pegasos was not present.

Learn to read. I said that was "Genesi's position". If what you say is accurate, one wonders why the judge hasn't thrown the case out yet?

> That's *your* opinion from *your* perspective as an outsider.

...which is obvious to anyone who reads my original comment rather than your snipped segment. I said the judge will decide, didn't I?

Frankly, I personally value the opinion of an honest outsider above that of a deceitful insider. Not that I'm making any implications there, but quite frankly the declarations of Amiga Inc "insiders" are as worthless as a scream in vacuum where I'm concerned. I think I'd rather trust Darl McBride than Amiga Inc "insiders".
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 56 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Nov-2003 07:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Ray A. Akey):
'"it does appear that Amiga Inc are victims of their own inability to draw up finite watertight agreements"

That's *your* opinion from *your* perspective as an outsider.'

It's my opinion too. I think Bill summed up the situation accurately.

We have here a result of Bill McEwen's excessive optimism.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 57 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Nov-2003 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Ray A. Akey):
It also stated that Thendic can add new products to that list, with Amiga's
consent and that Amiga must not unreasonably not withhold consent.
Ignoring the request and not replying at all, meets the above description,
quite accurately...
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 58 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 23-Nov-2003 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
The method of refusing consent is not described, the /rationale/ has to be reasonable.

Dave.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 59 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Nov-2003 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (DaveP):
Exactly, ignoring == giving no reason.
I think that the court will have to make a decision about that issue.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 60 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bob on 23-Nov-2003 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Bill Hoggett):
> "The contract was between Amiga Inc and Thendic France, and it was for Amiga Inc to port AmigaDE to Thendic's devices."


:) Thanks for clearing that one up for me.

Now who would be responsible for porting the neccessary Intent layers over so that AmigaDE would run? Would it be Tao who does this, or would it be somebody in/contracted to Amiga? It is Taos software after all.

There are possibly two big things that Genesi could gain out of this...forcing something to happen at Amiga, or exposing the AmigaDE for the lie it currently is.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 61 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 23-Nov-2003 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Bill Hoggett):
"Learn to read. I said that was "Genesi's position". If what you say is accurate, one wonders why the judge hasn't thrown the case out yet?"

It is Genesi's position that there is no specific device list??

If this is true, then I would guess that it is Genesi who needs to learn how to read (the contract to which they are supposedly trying to hold Amiga to), or do you believe that Rich Woods made up this device list and inserted it into the documents himself?
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 62 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Nov-2003 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ray A. Akey):
Ehm, why don't YOU learn to read? When you do, you MIGHT notice another point
in the device list... You know, the one that FORBIDS you from IGNORING expansion
requests...
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 63 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 24-Nov-2003 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Ehm, why don't YOU learn to read? When you do, you MIGHT notice another point
in the device list... You know, the one that FORBIDS you from IGNORING expansion
requests..."

<bump> I'm not the guy who controls those things at Amiga, if such was ever filed.

However, as a regular guy, I am lead to believe there was no written request. I guess I missed the document that Rich Woods (or samface) posted showing Genesi's written request to Amiga, for Pegasos to be added to the list.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 64 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 24-Nov-2003 01:07 GMT
HMetal, your company is not only an utter failure, but also a failure
that paved the way for another market failure to step into your
footprints, and I'm talking of failures that knowingly exploited
peoples dreams and absorbed their energies in a dot com charade.
You're the f**l that has been designated to keep watch until the ship
has been sunk and vanished completely. Your only right is to remain
silent and to chuckle within if the lawsuit turns out beneficial for
you. Whatever you are trying to protect, further evoking people's
wrath will increase your damage. I mean it.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 65 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Nov-2003 03:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Oppressor):
> HMetal, your company is not only an utter failure, but also a failure
> that paved the way for another market failure to step into your
> footprints, and I'm talking of failures that knowingly exploited
> peoples dreams and absorbed their energies in a dot com charade.

Care to elaborate? I can see that by "your company" you mean AInc (the Co. that Ray is working for atm). Which is the "another market failure"?
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 66 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Nov-2003 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Oppressor):
Dear Oppressor,

Who is the most honest person; someone trying to put the competition out of business by making them waste their last resources in court through suing on completely pointless grounds, or someone working for free in order to keep his business alive for the sake of delivering what they once promised to the community?

If Amiga Inc. would fail (no, they haven't failed until the fat lady sings, you know), atleast I know where to put the blame.
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 67 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Nov-2003 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ray A. Akey):
Indeed. Furthermore, even if they would have made such request, they would have to proove that you are "unreasonably witholding your consent".
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 68 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 24-Nov-2003 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ray A. Akey):
> However, as a regular guy, I am lead to believe there was no written request.

/sarcasm on
Ah, come on, bbrv wrote this on one or several news sites in the comments section, that must be enough!
/sarcasm off

Ciao, Alfred
MorphOS Developer Connection hits 400 Registered Developers! : Comment 69 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Nov-2003 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ray A. Akey):
There was a letter by William H Buck to Bill McEwen, I don't know by which means
it was sent, faxed or mailed but it was in one of Rich's directories.
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