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[News] AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird ownersANN.lu
Posted on 23-Nov-2003 20:42 GMT by pixie (Edited on 2003-11-24 10:14:06 GMT by Christian Kemp)184 comments
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According to Hans-Jörg Frieden, AmigaOS 4 SDK beta preview is to be released to Earlybird owners just before Christmas. Reading some comments, it seems Amiga OS 4 beta is to be released, and it should include the final SDK. Complete with autodocs, include files, compilers, binutils and some sample code, altough at the moment, without an IDE.
Source:
Amigaworld.net thread
HJ comment-1
HJ comment-2
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 1 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 23-Nov-2003 20:31 GMT
Someone laughed about betatester, beta os for end users, 'we won't do that'. They'll deserve what they'll get.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 2 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 23-Nov-2003 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (brotheris):
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AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 3 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 23-Nov-2003 20:34 GMT
> AmigaOS 4 SDK beta preview

Forgive me for asking, but what exactly is a "SDK beta preview"?

When I stated my opinion in March that OS4 would not be released for "several months" despite official claims that it was about to be released, a lot of people in this community really laid into me. Accordingly, giving people the benefit of doubt, I was absolutely sure we'd see the release of OS4 for the AmigaOne before the end of the year. After all, that's what we were all being told. Now we're being told that AmigaOne owners should be getting a "beta" of a Software Development Kit (which is NOT suggesting in any way that OS4 itself will be done) by Christmas?!?!

Speaking strictly for myself as an interested party, where is OS4??? How many more fiscal quarters will it be before this mythical beast is actually available to us mere mortals running on the dedicated AmigaOne? (Before you ask, yes, I am very interested to see it)

Seriously, this is NOT intended by me as a slam against anyone. You can attack me personally for asking all you want, but I find this announcement of a "beta SDK" very incredibly disappointing. Most AmigaOne owners that I've talked to don't actually develop software, and most really, really want OS4 for their AmigaOne.

Look at this from my perspective. Liken this situation to Tivo and ReplayTV. I own a Tivo (several in fact). I *love* my Tivo machines but I still find myself very interested in playing with a ReplayTV. Similarly, I own and regularly use a Pegasos (and work for Genesi) but still can't help but have a rabid fascination with seeing and being able to play with OS4 on the AmigaOne.

Out of curiousity, (and please understand that I really, honestly mean this as a sincere question) how much longer is the average AmigaOne AMIGA user prepared to run Linux on their $800 AmigaOne motherboard at this point?

Wayne
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 4 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 20:35 GMT
He didnt say is, but hopes to.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 5 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Maybe it would be better for you to not comment about the Aone/Aos4 all the time seeing as your woerking for genesi.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 6 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Nov-2003 20:43 GMT
That's good news.

Does the SDK include GCC?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 7 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 23-Nov-2003 20:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wayne Hunt):
>How many more fiscal quarters will it be before this mythical beast is
>actually available to us mere mortals running on the dedicated AmigaOne?
>(Before you ask, yes, I am very interested to see it)

McEwan gave us a clue last week when he asked the court for a 60-day delay on the summary judgement because of an expected new round of funding. Even most red trolls will admit that nobody is going to be foolish enough to invest in Amiga Inc, and even McEwan must know this by now. So the only other income McEwan can expect comes from royalty fees from OS4. This tells me that McEwan expects OS4 to be released within 60 days - that's a touch into the New Year.

Personally I don't care if it's ever released, to be honest. The name Amiga is now an embarrasment thanks to this bunch of jokers. I'd be interested to know if Amiga Inc is actually entitled to any royalties, given who now owns the Amiga trademark.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 8 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 23-Nov-2003 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wayne Hunt):
"Speaking strictly for myself as an interested party, where is OS4???"
Next to it, both being released at the same time, if you had the time to read the thread
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 9 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (T_Bone):
>Does the SDK include GCC?

Yes, it says compiler and binutils, that normally means gcc. I understand that AOS4 will use gcc3. I'm curious about that choice: I have heard that the PPC code generator off gcc3 (as opposed to the m68k code generator) is too bad for a production system. Has that been fixes, is this more than a port?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 10 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Monoxyde on 23-Nov-2003 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne, your words would certainly carry a lot more weight if you'd cared to read the thread in question.

To quote Hans-Jörg:
"Honestly though, you've read the interview with Alan I guess and have seen that we are planning to release a beta preview version to Earlybird owners. That should include the SDK."

It doesn't say that the SDK is beta.

However, pixie clearly got this wrong too, but doing at least some research before your long rant would've been nice.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 11 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Nov-2003 20:55 GMT
Will this SDK Beta Preview be free to download? And where will it be available from?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 12 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 23-Nov-2003 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wayne Hunt):
You write to much apologies for doing nothing wrong. You've stepped down from your possition, you don't have to act like you didn't.
This all just show how incompetent and bitter OS4 project managment was. Now we can see their true face, too bad a lot of people seem to forget past. Dogs are barking, caravan is going further.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 13 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Nov-2003 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wayne Hunt):
It was unfair that people attacked you for your comments on the delivery of OS4 as it was always possible that such a large project would take as long as it has.

I would hope that anyone who has purchased an AmigaOne has made the decision as a desire to play with the new hardware under Linux and not because they believed the release of OS4 was imminent. To make an expensive purchase such as this specifically for an OS that isn't yet available and has no official release date is and always will be folly. With software delays a common event even in the heavily funded PC world and with the constant improvement in computer hardware spec and pricing you are always better off waiting until OS4 comes out if that is what you want an AOne for.

I'm not quite sure what you want the triarchy to do. Hyperion, Eyetech and AInc. want this out of the door just as much as we all do but excellent software takes time. I am sure that you are aware that a superb OS is quite an undertaking! :)

If anything the damage done by any sort of delay on release has already been done if there was indeed any damage to be done in the first place. Those users that are tired of waiting after nine years will have left by now and those that want to get into the Pegasos will have done so too. All you are going to have is a few thousand AmigaOne owners that are eagerly anticipating the release of the latest version of one of the greatest OS works available. They have all purchased on the premise that they will have to wait anyway so I don't see even an additional 6 months making a whole host of difference. Perhaps you see it differently?

---
Sam
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 14 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Nov-2003 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Monoxyde):
Hopefully this will soon be corrected in the original post by one of the moderators.

---
Sam
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 15 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 23-Nov-2003 21:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wayne Hunt):
Heh, well, it cant be really concidered as an offer. Few A1 owners probably have SDK anyway. But in general it is good sign since it means API is set in stone and not changing dramatically.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 16 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 23-Nov-2003 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Given the fact that gcc3 the the official compiler in MacOS, I find that very hard to believe.

The AmigaOS4 patches to gcc3 actually look very clean and has been accepted (or is just about to be accepted) in the gcc mainline. Who would have though there would be AmigaOS patches in the official gcc a couple of years ago when everybody seemed to lose interest GG? :-)
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 17 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Martin Blom):
>Given the fact that gcc3 the the official compiler in MacOS, I find that very hard to believe

The comment re the code quality of gcc3 came from a guy involved in porting gcc to MorphOS, Sigbjørn Skjæret. Quote:

---

Yes, infact it has, and the reason we haven't moved to 3.x since then is simply because 3.x is not mature enough yet (we do check every release via crosscompiler, and so far the number of regressions and just plain wrong code-generation is not acceptable for a production compiler), so don't expect a port until it starts getting useful (I know some people will flame me now (including Laire. ;) ), but it's The Truth(tm))...
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 18 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 23-Nov-2003 21:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Martin Blom):
You forget that Apple use their own branch that's not part of main tree at all, as well as using ObjC...

GCC 3.x (and 3.4 doubly so (it's not even released yet)) is simply way to unreliable atm, it's known to have lots of regressions and ICEs, as well as creating plain wrong code in many cases...


- CISC
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 19 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by X-Ray a Key on 23-Nov-2003 21:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Ray A. Akey):
ROTFLOL!!! you have no clue!
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 20 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Nov-2003 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
GCC 3.x (and 3.4 doubly so (it's not even released yet)) is simply way to unreliable atm, it's known to have lots of regressions and ICEs, as well as creating plain wrong code in many cases...
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Since AROS uses GCC 3.x, could this be a bad thing (tm) for AROS PPC too?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 21 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Matt Parsons):
>Since AROS uses GCC 3.x, could this be a bad thing (tm) for AROS PPC too?

Is there an AROS for PPC already? I was under the impression that the AROS compiler that was just announced is a gcc for x86?!
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 22 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Targhan on 23-Nov-2003 21:47 GMT
I find this news rather interesting, since it doesn't say a word about providing developers the systems or SDK they need to develop for the platform. Without naming names, I can only say that someone needs to get off their rear-ends and start shipping these "early bird systems" out to the people who can make a difference.

I've already seen in several places where people have been asking for support of OS4. These are the same developers who don't have systems, don't have SDK's, but are often quoted as "beta testers." I say, cute news, but do the deed.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 23 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Nov-2003 21:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Matt Parsons):
On x86 who cares? :D You'd hardly notice a few cycles added running at 3000 MHz. Anyways I would guess the x86 code generation of GCC is probably far more mature than it's PPC code generation.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 24 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Nov-2003 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Since AROS uses GCC 3.x, could this be a bad thing (tm) for AROS PPC too?

Is there an AROS for PPC already? I was under the impression that the AROS compiler that was just announced is a gcc for x86?!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The Compile just announced was for a compiler actually in AROS.

One can build AROS for the PPC.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 25 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Targhan):
>I find this news rather interesting, since it doesn't say a word about providing developers the systems or SDK they need to develop for the platform.

That was low. Obviously the A1/AOS4 side can not afford to seed the market with free systems for developers like Genesi. Nevertheless, AOS4 and the SDK will be in the hands of (paying) developers soon. I don't see the sense in tearing down every small success of the other side. You reap what you sow and the next Genesi milestone will get the same treatment. Stupid.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 26 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 23-Nov-2003 21:56 GMT
Hopefully my semi IDE will be available in the not to distant future. I'm building it per VisualStudio.NET IDE, working with OS4 GCC and GNU make.

Works OK for me so far. Got a hell of a lot of work to do though before it's usable by the public...

Have a look at the quick screenshot at http://www.the-snakepit.co.uk/
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 27 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Nov-2003 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Matt Parsons):
>The Compile just announced was for a compiler actually in AROS. One can build AROS for the PPC.

AROS does not contain an emulator, so you'll need a gcc backend for the specific CPU. That would be a PPC code generator for an upcoming PPC version of AROS. Correct me if I'm wrong.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 28 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Nov-2003 22:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (T_Bone):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On x86 who cares? :D You'd hardly notice a few cycles added running at 3000 MHz. Anyways I would guess the x86 code generation of GCC is probably far more mature than it's PPC code generation.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

hehehe, yes, gcc's x86 code generation is very very good. But I was talking about the PPC version of AROS :-)

Anyway, back on topic, What system do OS4 developers need to use to develop software on for OS4? Until today, AROS needed a Linux system to develop software for it.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 29 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Nov-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
AROS does not contain an emulator, so you'll need a gcc backend for the specific CPU. That would be a PPC code generator for an upcoming PPC version of AROS. Correct me if I'm wrong.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Sorry, I meant to say that one can build AROS for the PPC in Linux (and probably in AROS to, but Fabio will answer that one) using gcc's cross compiler :-)
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 30 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by WhoShallremainunnamed on 23-Nov-2003 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Matt Parsons):
As stated many times before, OS4 has a whole set of available both native and crosscompilers for Linux, windows, OS3.x 68k and even for MacOSX, so no really need of purchasing new machines to be able to code ;)
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 31 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Targhan on 23-Nov-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
That's cute mr. anonymous. Yes, they can afford it, and I wasn't talking about two or three little freeware developers. I meant the *big* developers. The developers who make a real difference right off the bat. I'm not saying they should run a "phree-board" system like Genesi does, but they should _at least_ cover the major Amiga developers left. They *can* afford that, and the dividends are worth it.

Don't think I posted these comments to "pick" on OS4, that isn't the case at all. I posted this to remind them that if they are getting an SDK ready that they need to start thinking about how to distribute those to the developers who can make a difference to the OS.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 32 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Nov-2003 22:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Daniel Allsopp):
Looks really cool :))

---
Sam
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 33 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 23-Nov-2003 22:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Matt Parsons):
Not only for PPC, x86 backend also still have a few problems, esp the 3.3.1 (3.3.2 is the latest) version .. and most of the regressions and ICEs are unrelated to backend...

I suggest a quick look at the GCC MLs for an overview of remaining _known_ issues. ;)


- CISC
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 34 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 23-Nov-2003 23:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Sigbjørn Skjæret):
As if 2.95.3 doesnt have issues??

Heh!
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 35 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 23-Nov-2003 23:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Monoxyde):
> Wayne, your words would certainly carry a lot more weight if you'd cared to read
> the thread in question.

> To quote Hans-Jörg:
> "Honestly though, you've read the interview with Alan I guess and have seen that
> we are planning to release a beta preview version to Earlybird owners. That
> should include the SDK."

Which, for completeness' sake, was in reply to this question:
"HYPERION WHERE IS THAT DAMN DEVELOPER KIT!?!?!?!?"

Isn't it obvious where any confusion would have arisen from? The thread was about GCC, the question HJF replied to was about the SDK, and the OS was never mentioned. (What some hardware dealer might have said elsewhere about the OS is not mentioned in *the thread in question*.)

OTOH, it'd make sense to also have access to at least a "beta preview" of the OS that the SDK is for.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 36 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Monoxyde on 23-Nov-2003 23:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Seehund):
Salutations Seehund!
Granted, to get the full picture one should also read the interview with Alan which Hans-Jörg is refering to.

The relevant quote from this interview is as follows:
"We are also working with Hyperion to try to make a hard-disk installable version of OS4 beta available to all existing A1 Earlybird customers and developers, hopefully before this Christmas" (Alan)

But honestly: how can anyone misunderstand the sentence
"... we are planning to release a beta preview version to Earlybird owners. That should include the SDK." (Hans-Jörg)

No, it does not mean: "We will release a beta preview version of the SDK, which should include the SDK."

Some people...
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 37 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 23-Nov-2003 23:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
One has nothing to do with the other. I asked a simple question, and my reservations about the situation came FAR earlier than my involvement with Genesi.

Wayne
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 38 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Steve on 23-Nov-2003 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Martin Blom):
@martin blom

FYI, Apple both provide GCC 2.95 and GCC 3.3 with XCode (latest SDK for MacOS X 10.3 (Panther)) as shown below:

Last login: Sun Nov 23 22:32:24 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!

[Computer:~] user% gcc2 -v
Reading specs from /usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/2.95.2/specs
Apple Computer, Inc. version gcc-938, based on gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)

[Computer:~] user% gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/3.3/specs
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)

[Computer:~] user% uname -a
Darwin Computer.local 7.0.0 Darwin Kernel Version 7.0.0: Wed Sep 24 15:48:39 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-517.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc

And you can select GCC2 in XCode if GCC3 fail to generate correct code.
That's also the reason why all MacOS X in not compiled with GCC3 and some parts are still compiled using GCC 2.95.
So yes GCC 3.x is the default GCC for MacOS X, but GCC 2.95 is still provided for the cases when GCC3 fails. It's the same in the linux distributions out there.

I hope the OS 4 Team will also provide a port of GCC 2.95 in their SDK for the cases where GCC 3 still fails.

GCC 3 is still a young product and as shown on http://gcc.gnu.org/ it stills have bugs including some critical bugs which will obviously be fixed in future releases, but until a release that is proven to be very accurate arrive, it's recommended to provide both GCC 2.95 and GCC 3 in SDKs.

That's what everybody who provide GCC3 do today (Linux/Unix distributions/flavors, MacOS X and others OSes using GCC as their main compiler) and I hope that's what OS 4 Team will do.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 39 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 24-Nov-2003 00:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
> You reap what you sow and the next Genesi milestone will get the
> same treatment. Stupid.

Dave's opinion has nothing to do with Genesi and it's sad to see people who believe it does. This is about getting it done and following through on all the promises and empty words of the past three years.

Personally speaking -- whether you believe it or not -- as long as their only goal is to succeed in business and profitability, I wish success to both Eyetech and Hyperion. In my mind, their plans and actions have nothing to do with the future of the Pegasos platform or Genesi as a whole and I really, really think it's stupid of people to go around propogating the stereotypical "war" mentality.

We are not at war. While we both make components, we have completely different ideals, different goals, and different paths to get there. "War" such as everyone here is continually suggesting is like complaining that Harley Davidson Motorcycles is competing with Cadillac. It simply doesn't make sense.

The fact that we now work with Genesi does not lessen the validity of our opinions. After all, I was an Amiga user and Amiga SUPPORTER long before I was a Genesi employee.

Wayne
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 40 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 24-Nov-2003 00:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Daniel Allsopp):
@Daniel

I love hearing about other peoples projects. I hope I get to use some of your stuff in future. In particular the Instant Messaging client and the IDE. Keep at it!
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 41 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Nov-2003 01:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Wayne Hunt):
No offense Wayne, where is the mystical beast called "Pegasos 2"?

Or the equally msytical beast called "Pegasos I G4 module"?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 42 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 24-Nov-2003 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
It's being delivered by Santa. Unfortunally, they didn't realize he only works one night a year.

But really, Was their really any need for such a low blow cheap shot? I mean the poor guy works for Genesi, isn't that enough.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 43 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 24-Nov-2003 01:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben,

No offense taken, but in return you can hardly compare the two. :)

The latest I am told is that the Pegasos II will be released on December 15th barring (of course) unforeseen circumstances. You know all about unforeseen circumstances, don't you Ben?

Anything else I could say (and really shouldn't), would just be verbal jousting which neither of us would "win", so much like the movie "War Games", what's the purpose in playing games?

Wayne
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 44 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 24-Nov-2003 01:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Before anyone gets upset at Bens comment, I guess it should be said that delays happen.. thats life?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 45 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymously on 24-Nov-2003 01:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben - you might recall that you actuallly saw Pegasos 1 G4's running at Amiwest - or are you just someone pretenting to be Ben?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 46 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 24-Nov-2003 01:49 GMT
Great, a news item about earlybird customers in addition of getting a free os4 also getting an sdk of some sort, and all the comments are like "la la la".

IMHO it's nice that they want to make available developer tools at this stage for Earlybird users too and not just the involved, and dedicated developers/beta testers like now.
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 47 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Nov-2003 01:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymously):
How many peg owners have them G4 cards ?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 48 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 24-Nov-2003 01:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
-1 Offtopic
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 49 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 24-Nov-2003 02:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans/Hyperion (Trusted user?)

>> No offense Wayne, where is the mystical beast called "Pegasos 2"?


Ben, at this point in time you would be better off shutting your mouth and leaving it shut until you have something worthwhile to say, such as promoting OS4, and in particular "doing what is required to get suitable interest from the industry to develop for OS4". This is fair.

>> Or the equally msytical beast called "Pegasos I G4 module"?

Ben, I know that you understand exactly why a Pegasos I G4 module was not produced. Why are you making this statement now, what is your point here?
AmigaOS 4 SDK to be released to Earlybird owners : Comment 50 of 184ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 24-Nov-2003 02:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Darth_X):
ps: I think someone's been drinking a bit of the drink, know what I mean? ;)

And its NOT me! ;)

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