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[Events] AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show!ANN.lu
Posted on 30-Nov-2003 23:19 GMT by Mike Rotch34 comments
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A member of AmigaWorld.net has posted a mini report of the recent Micromart Computer Fair in Birmingham, EU. The report mentions AmigaOS 4.0 being demonstrated.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 1 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 30-Nov-2003 22:50 GMT
Ah that mini report [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2303&forum=4] has at least one deliciously ironic tidbit in it:

"I want one of these now but Alan said I'd have to wait until APRIL!"...

So, BBRV might think about building a few more April chips I suppose, to help Mr Redhouse out ; }

OK. I'll get my coat.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 2 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 30-Nov-2003 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (greenboy):
You should be called BlueBoy.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 3 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Nov-2003 23:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (greenboy):
Arn't we rewriting history now? IIRC, the original quote did not have April in upper case. Dunno what you wanted to imply with that. Besides, is it now impossible to release anything Amiga related during the fourth month of the year without beeing patronized by some people!?!
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 4 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 30-Nov-2003 23:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
It was a joke, albeit a weak one.

@greenboy

You can do better than that, right? ;-)

@Anonymous

Lighten up, for gawd's sake!
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 5 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 30-Nov-2003 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Hoggett):
Yeah, Bill, I probably can. You know how it is when something strikes you as funny. It doesn't always take everybody else to the same place you were at the moment, when you try and convey it.

I have to admit I got about the same chuckle when reading the bit about "April in upper case" ; }
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 6 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Skyraker on 01-Dec-2003 00:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (greenboy):
You couldn't resist could you?
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 7 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by bubblebobble on 01-Dec-2003 01:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (greenboy):
http://tinyurl.com/7dch
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 8 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by "eh eh eh" on 01-Dec-2003 01:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (bubblebobble):
I never knew you were so cute, Ikir!
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 9 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 01-Dec-2003 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (greenboy):
"I'll get mi'coat"


Tehehee... anyone watching The Fastshow? :)
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 10 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by B.J. on 01-Dec-2003 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Hoggett):
I liked it :)
Oh, and I'm waiting for the AmigaOne with AmigaOS, I should mention...
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 11 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Dec-2003 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (hooligan/dcs):
Oh! Suit you, sir!
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 12 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by stumpy on 01-Dec-2003 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
This week I 'ave mostly been eating, curries.....oh sh*t!
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 13 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 01-Dec-2003 16:34 GMT
I think this was the first showing of the new PPC Amigas at a general PC computer show.

It seems to have gone well.

It was sensible to give up the policy of not showing it until everything is finished and perfect. Much better to get some reactions to the pre-beta.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 14 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 01-Dec-2003 18:31 GMT
The nice thing about this event, is that it seems to be the first showing
of an "Amiga" product at a non-Amiga event...(although I believe there were
showings of some AmigaDE programs at a microsoft show earlier)...if those
other companies which had "partnered" with Amiga, Inc before had shown their
Amiga stuff (i.e. Sharp, Nokia, Sendo...etc..) there might be at a better financial state in Amiga, Inc Land......who really knows....

but it is positive news...
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 15 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Dec-2003 19:23 GMT
"Birmigham, EU" ...what the f**k!? come on, should be "Birmingham, UK/England"
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 16 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 01-Dec-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (acg):
You've forgotten Genesi at CES and CeBIT then I assume?
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 17 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Linus on 01-Dec-2003 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Nate Downes):
Don't you have anything better to do?
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 18 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 01-Dec-2003 20:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Nate Downes):
I used quotations around the Amiga name to indicate something named
"amiga"....I don't believe other OS's call themselves or their hardware
"amiga"...correct?

I did forget however, that recently Redhouse was in Taiwan to do a bit of a
spiel about "amigaONE" and the coming OS 4.0 there also, but I don't think
he demonstrated the AmigaONE or OS 4.0.....

So all in all, a really good shew!....
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 19 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 02-Dec-2003 01:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Linus):
Linus wrote:
> Don't you have anything better to do?

Genesi products aren't "Amiga" products strictly speaking, but if the Pegasos machines at those shows were running Amiga-platform software, then you'd have to say those Genesi displays had "the first showing of an 'Amiga' product at a non-Amiga event" (I guess we're talking about the new generation of PPC boards here). After all, it is the application compatibility that gives the Pegasos an undeniable "Amiga" link, if you don't want to acknowledge intangibles like the backgrounds of the board makers, OS coders, application writers, resellers, users, etc. Maybe Nate should have qualified his remarks so as not to provoke "'Amiga'=Amiga, Inc." types. ;-)

-- gary_c
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 20 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 02-Dec-2003 02:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (gary_c):
Let's not get tooooo ridiculous etymologically wise.

However, going by your reasoning, it would be safe to say that Eyetech and
Hyperion are showing off their new "Macs" by running Mac On Linux on their
new AmigaOnes which are using Debian as their host OS...or that Commodore used to show off their new windows boxes, and Macs when someone had made an emulator
for AO3.1....and showed it at some venue in the early 1990's....

what I meant by my comment was that it was a licensed "amiga" affiliated group
(namely Eyetech and Hyperion) showing off their licensed "amiga" OS....for the first time at a non Amiga licensed venue.....

I hope we don't have to go to a lexicographic, parsed verbal exchange.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 21 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 02-Dec-2003 03:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (acg):
No, I don't want to go overboard, but I think you'd agree that a Pegasos is a lot more "Amiga-like," given its user interface similarities, ability to run Amiga-compatible applications transparently, and so on (not to mention the "community" things) than an AmigaOne is "Mac-like," given the limitations of MOL, etc. If the AmigaOne had a "MacBox" that enabled Mac apps to be run transparently alongside apps coded for AOS (or Linux) then your comparison would be closer to accurate. Nate's "Genesi did it earlier" comment was to some extent a stretch maybe, but your reply swings equally far in the other direction IMHO.

But your clarification of what you meant by "amiga" clears things up for me. It looks like it was a good event and I'm happy enough to leave it at that. :-)

-- gary_c
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Posted by Anonymous on 02-Dec-2003 06:39 GMT
>It was sensible to give up the policy of not showing it until everything is finished and perfect. Much better to get some reactions to the pre-beta.

As if that ever was a "policy" rather than the problem of not having anything to show on A1 hardware. Now that it boots, the advocacy for that kind of "policy" is dropped like a hot potatoe by the red trolls (to be fair, I don't think Hyperion ever said it was a policy).
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 23 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Dec-2003 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (gary_c):
Great, here's Gary with his "MorphOS is more amiga than Amiga" schpiel. Give it a rest! MorphOS looks nothing like 3.9 (the last "real" amiga everyone can agree on), and under the covers it's *completely* different too (Quark + ABox is not Exec!) I'll accept it if you say it *feels* better than an Amiga, but you can't possibly claim it's more "amiga-like". Since you're not referring to any *physical* characteristics of the OS, you must be talking about some *religious* reason why it should be...
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Posted by gary_c on 02-Dec-2003 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> but you can't possibly claim it's more "amiga-like"

Relax. I never said it was *more* amiga-like. And it isn't especially important to me where it sits on the amiga-like scale, as far as that goes. Personally, I'd just as soon have it be more "BeOS-like" or more "QNX-like" or something else, depending on what feature set you're talking about. My criteria are about as far from "religious" as you can get. I just responded to the idea that running "Amiga" apps on MorphOS is the equivalent of running Mac apps on Linux with MOL, which I think is not correct. Whether Ambient "looks like" Amiga3.9 or whether things work differently under the surface is also irrelevant if long-time "Amiga users" can replace their classic hardware and OS with MOS/Pegasos and be happy doing what they used to do, only faster, etc. Wouldn't you agree?

-- gary_c
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 25 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by David Attenborough on 02-Dec-2003 09:03 GMT
Hello, and welcome to Wildlife on One, with me, David Attenborough. Today we are looking at quite a curious creature, the ANN.lu poster.

Here, amoungst the plains of ANN, we see a typical ANN.lu thread. Already, the natives have jumped on the thread, and start to give an intricate display of pedantry, and arguments over semantics. Quite why this curious creature indulges in such a meaningless activity has baffled scientists in this area. Already, one of the natives has abused his position in the thread, and has been ostracised from the main group. Alone and cold, he cowers out of sight, although he may yet return.

If this display of pedantry and bitching starts to hit a raw nerve, the ANN.lu posters have been known to stretch one of these threads to over 300 posts long, which is quite extraordinary. Now, I am going to back quietly away to the safety of our Land Rover, so as to avoid intruding too much on the posters activities.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 26 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 02-Dec-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (David Attenborough):
Stop right there.. you're fucking killing me :))))))))

*STANDING OVATIONS*
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 27 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Lecta on 02-Dec-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (acg):
And you forgot the WebbIT show in Italy (May, 2003), where many 68k modules of AmigaOS 4 beta where shown. :)
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 28 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Lecta on 02-Dec-2003 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Lecta):
ops! where = were

Regards
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 29 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 02-Dec-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (gary_c):
There is not a single molecule in Genesi's products that is "Amiga" because "Amiga" has always been about originality rather than cloning. Saying that a Genesi product is an Amiga product is like claiming that a pair of jeans are Levi's jeans bacause they are "alike". I'm sorry to be the one breaking the news to you, but the Amiga is a trademark, not some kind of religion or philosophy.

Furthermore, please stop trying to patronize those of us who are brand oriented consumers. Brand recognition has nothing to do with blind fate, buying cheap copies of a brand while expecting it to be the exact same thing as the original is more so, IMO.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 30 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 02-Dec-2003 14:58 GMT
Thanks for all the great comments. Gary, your point is well taken and will be
assimilated. As far as David Attenborough goes....that was very funny.
A little levity goes a long way....let's hope this thread doesn't deteriorate
any further, we wouldn't want the "60 minutes" crew to show up...
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 31 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Dec-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
You can't avoid that :) Sooner or later we are just citizens of EU. Sooner or later current countries are just states of EU, and I don't think that's nesessarily bad :)
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 32 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Dec-2003 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (gary_c):
That's bullshit! If Microsoft and Intel go to the Comdex and show a PC with a MacOSX emulator running Mac programs you're gonna believe them if they say they're running an Apple product? Glad to see you still twist the truth as it fits you.
AmigaOS 4.0 appears at Micromart Show! : Comment 33 of 34ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 02-Dec-2003 20:04 GMT
'scuse the topicality : Where has the report gone? All I get from the link is "Error - The forum/topic you selected does not exist. Please go back and try again."

I'll add that I am now very irritated indeed as I have repeatedly tried again, and all I get is the same message. I mean, why does it tell you to try again if nothing changes? Frankly, this is a complete waste of my time, and I really am quite angry about it. This really doesn't do much for the credibility of the site that purports to be hosting this report, does it? I mean, if it can't even be trusted to issue a simple error message properly, what other misleading information might it be providing? I bet it is just doing this to annoy me, because I'm not in some super-dooper club of "good guys" who are privileged to grumble grumble mumble wibble whine....

Not that I'd want to be a member of any club that wouldn't want me as a member...

Gregg
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Posted by gary_c on 03-Dec-2003 01:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
> That's bullshit! If Microsoft and Intel go to the Comdex and show a PC with a MacOSX emulator running Mac programs you're gonna believe them if they say they're running an Apple product? Glad to see you still twist the truth as it fits you.

Sad to see you don't seem to understand the posts you're responding to. Judging from the swearing, it could be that you're too overamped emotionally to think clearly. Anyway, your metaphor isn't even remotely close to either the MorphOS-AmigaOS situation or my description of it. I could tediously describe why, but it's not worth it.

-- gary_c
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