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[News] Protracker II RevealedANN.lu
Posted on 03-Dec-2003 13:08 GMT by spot33 comments
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ProTracker II, the official follow-up to the original family of sound trackers (SoundTracker / NoiseTracker / ProTracker) is under development. March2004 is the expected release date for MorphOS and Windows (OS4 and AROS to be confirmed). ProTracker II, the official follow-up to the original family of sound trackers (SoundTracker / NoiseTracker / ProTracker) is under development. March2004 is the expected release date for MorphOS and Windows (OS4 and AROS to be confirmed). WIP screenshot and features available at http://www.kiritsu.com/protracker/
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 1 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 03-Dec-2003 12:41 GMT
Great.
But so far it seems that those fonts and gradients make it look a lot more messy than the original protracker... but that's just MHO.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 2 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 03-Dec-2003 12:45 GMT
It is still a good start!

NICE!

:-)

R&B
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 3 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Dec-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
Fear not, it is said to be skinnable. :-)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 4 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Dec-2003 12:52 GMT
PROTRACKER II ON AROS!!!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D That would make my day!
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 5 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Dec-2003 13:37 GMT
Excellent. Which comes out first.. PT2 or working DigiBooster for MOS? :)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 6 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 03-Dec-2003 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
I think it looks quite good :)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 7 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Dec-2003 14:13 GMT
IMO the font looks terrible, but I could live with that. :-)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 8 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 03-Dec-2003 15:49 GMT
YES! :-)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 9 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Blixth on 03-Dec-2003 16:17 GMT
Wohoo, the best news today!
Keep up the good work :-)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 10 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 03-Dec-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Johan Rönnblom):
> IMO the font looks terrible, but I could live with that. :-)

It took me a few seconds to read some of the abbreviated controls as well. Of course, I assume this is all familiar to ProTracker users; I never figured out how to use tracker software until I got to fiddling with Impulse Tracker (under OS/2!).

So, on that note, and given that many people see this as a musical instrument (meaning the layout of the UI isn't likely to make drastic changes, lest it break everyone who *is* familiar with it), has anyone considered a 'trainer' or 'demo' mode/module, something that walks the user through construction of a simple tune while seeing what it looks like onscreen/in the program?

Similarly... Well, we've all been through the skins-fix-everything school of thought, so can I suggest a 'Newbie' skin that self-documents the keyboard equivalents for various controls? I'd live with five-pixel-high text, it still beats "context-switching" between the program you're trying to learn and the manual. (Well, until we can all afford dual monitors or something, anyway.)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 11 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Dec-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Johan Rönnblom):
I couldn't.

We spend all that time and money providing everyone with one of the best
(if not *THE* best) object oriented GUI toolkits on the planet, and everyone
goes ahead instead and makes custom, hokey, skin-o-GUIs.

Next time someone gets a Pegasos for free or even on discount, I personally
will attach a note to it laying down some very small, minor obligations for
code produced.

"You use MUI, or I find your house, and eat your pets :)"

=Neko=
Anti-Skinning Pro-MUI Society
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 12 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 03-Dec-2003 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
> Similarly... Well, we've all been through the skins-fix-everything school
> of thought,

Brain no work. "Well, we've all heard the arguments around the skins-fix-everything school of thought," I meant.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 13 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 03-Dec-2003 16:57 GMT
Nice to Se the return of Protracker you probably should call it some thing like ProtrackerRTG or some thing
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 14 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 03-Dec-2003 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Neko):
> "You use MUI, or I find your house, and eat your pets :)"
>
> =Neko=
> Anti-Skinning Pro-MUI Society

So you'll eat them fur-and-all? Ick! I know kitties are used to hairballs, but really...

Gregg
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 15 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Dec-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Gregg):
Well you can always cut them open and suck the organs out through the hole.

I don't see any lions around who skin antelope before eating them :)

+Neko+
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 16 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 03-Dec-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Johan Rönnblom):
"IMO the font looks terrible, but I could live with that. :-)"

Surely the interface will be font-sensitive, so any outline (or even bitmap) font could be used?

If not, then it should be compiled only for 68k and AmigaOS 2.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 17 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 03-Dec-2003 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Neko):
"=Neko=
Anti-Skinning Pro-MUI Society"

It's not often I agree with Neko, but I would like to join that Society.

Skins are a Windows-quality approach to GUI customisation.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 18 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 03-Dec-2003 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Don Cox):
>Surely the interface will be font-sensitive, so any outline (or even bitmap) >font could be used?

Naturally.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 19 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 03-Dec-2003 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Don Cox):
Skins are actually a Linux thing. Or rather it'd be more correct to say an XFree86/Gnome/KDE/whatever thing.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 20 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Rafo on 03-Dec-2003 19:19 GMT
Absolutely great news !!!!

No news about DBPro since too long time, so I can live with this piece
of software to make music again.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 21 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 03-Dec-2003 19:43 GMT
@ Joe,

> Well, we've all been through the skins-fix-everything
school of thought, so can I suggest a 'Newbie' skin that
self-documents the keyboard equivalents for various controls?

The original Protracker had the HELP key attached to... well, help. It
was very self-explanatory in this regard. Simply load a module into
Protracker and try it.

@ Neko,

"You use MUI, or I find your house, and eat your pets :)"

MUI is like MFC, QT or GTK, a one-size-fits-all solution... Not only
bloated by its very nature, but absolutely inappropriate for the task
at hand. Did you ever notice that many tools that were designed around
actual work (and not just for taking screenshots) abandoned the
"default" styleguides of their time?

Don't send out free boards if they get into the wrong hands... I
have one, too :)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 22 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 03-Dec-2003 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Oppressor):
Bloated or not, people should use GUI toolkits. Protracker GUI looks okay but restricts usability too much. It probably uses its own file requesters too. And can I resize window? Where is the iconify button? Depth arrangment? I guess it doesnt support screen database in MorphOS either? :-/ (Ok, good work still :)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 23 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 03-Dec-2003 21:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Oppressor):
It seems the author wants to make a portable ProTracker (not only Amiga-compatible OS like MorphOS, OS4,...) but ALSO Windows.

I personally understand the choice of custom skinned GUI...

On the other hand, I think MLDonkey client shouldn't have been released without a (*MUI*) GUI for example... (maybe the "best OO GUI toolkit" lacks some dev tool...)

Regards,
Leo.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 24 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Oppressor on 03-Dec-2003 21:43 GMT
Hi Leo and Itix,

I agree that toolkits should be used where they don't hurt. I do not
propose skinning, as it's a means to no end and solution to nothing,
but I have high respect for well-thought user interfaces like in
Lightwave and Protracker... or think of Japanese RP games :)

See Voodootracker (for GTK) for an example of what damage toolkits can
cause to a tracker. You have docks, tear-offs and coolbars, but no
space left and it's largely unusable. Think about the unorthodox
keyboard layout: Keys like ALT and Ctrl (not acting as qualifiers)
have well-defined functions in tracker. Difficult enough. Add to that
that it is designed for multiple platforms. In a Windows user's
perception MUI would be an extremely odd skin :)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 25 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by gav on 03-Dec-2003 22:01 GMT
If I port games like Black Shades and Orbital Eunuchs Sniper to PPC, would it be possible for me to get a free PEGASOS?
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 26 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Dec-2003 22:44 GMT
I agree that these "custom GUI's" are a nuisance in general, but in
this case: hey, this is ProtrackerII, it's *meant* to be old-school!
Most people who are likely to use it are probably used to this kind of
GUI, so it makes a lot of sense not to change it too much.

That said, surely it would be nice if someone wanted to make a
MUI-based sequencer, but that's a different project IMO.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 27 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 03-Dec-2003 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Johan Rönnblom):
Exactly! If you see latest trackers on Windows (Renoise, MadTracker, Skale) all using their own skin interfaces.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 28 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 04-Dec-2003 03:05 GMT
Alright!! Looks cool! It's good that Digibooster will have some competition :)
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 29 of 33ANN.lu
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Protracker II Revealed : Comment 30 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 04-Dec-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (bloodline):
Yes very clever, spoof me and spam Ann... arn't you a clever little script kiddy.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 31 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Hasselqvist on 04-Dec-2003 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ruben Monteiro):
Ruben, are you the programmer of ProtrackerII?

How is that this is the "official follow-up"?


You're not thinking about releasing the source or are you considering a port to GNU/Linux yourself?
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 32 of 33ANN.lu
Posted by Ruben Monteiro on 04-Dec-2003 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anders Hasselqvist):
> Ruben, are you the programmer of ProtrackerII?

Yes.


> How is that this is the "official follow-up"?

Because the last author of ProTracker, Thomas Beyer, has stoped development and released the source code in 1997, and OK'ed the development of the new ProTracker from me.


>You're not thinking about releasing the source or are you considering a port > to GNU/Linux yourself?

I may release the source code, but I don't know when. Linux port is in the "maybe" category.
Protracker II Revealed : Comment 33 of 33ANN.lu
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