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[News] More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configurationANN.lu
Posted on 06-Dec-2003 21:42 GMT by Raffaele137 comments
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Alan Redhouse speaks on amigaworld.net about the daughterboards of the riser card slot and the 256MB of onboard RAM on the new Micro AmigaOne... The post of Alan was noticed by readers and another thread of comments about it started.
You can find it again on amigaworld.net

Enjoy it.

Ciao,

Raffaele
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 101 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Darth_X):
"First question: Why does Alan only post to Amigaworld.net and not any of the other website, including PR (real news releases) on Amiga.com ? "ยจ

Why ? Because people here can be wery nasty and not nice at all.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 102 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 08-Dec-2003 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Amon_Re):
Yes, and just like any huge company since the 1980s they want to outsource everything
that isn't crucial to their core buisness.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 103 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Dec-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Kronos):
IBM does have manufacturing fascilities you know, i would rather expect them to licence the board & manufacture it themselves then have genesi do it for them.

I'm *not* slagging genesi btw, just saying what to me looks the most obvious

Cheers
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 104 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 08-Dec-2003 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Amon_Re):
Sure they have fabs, but are they interested in doing it all themselves ?

How much of a new VW, BMW .... is really built at the company giving the name-badge ?
How much is build at companies offering the lowest cost ?
How much is build at companies specialized in one field (like suspension, injection-system,
car-radio/navigation ...).

Thats how the world works in the 21st century ;)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 105 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Kronos):
Sure, IBM is going to subcontract Genesi to build motherboards for them. There's a hoot. If they're going to subcontract anyone, it will be some huge Taiwanese company, not a little German company that can't build 1000 boards in a single batch. Germans also expect to be paid more than Taiwanese do, so Taiwanese boards will be a lot cheaper than the German ones. I doubt there will be much difference in quality, machines do most of the real work.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 106 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 08-Dec-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous):
Yeah, but do the taiwanese have a board suitable for the job ?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 107 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 08-Dec-2003 18:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
Just a side note, an anonymous answering another anonymous, this new system is plain weird! ;))
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 108 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous):
> Germans also expect to be paid more than Taiwanese do, so Taiwanese boards will be a lot cheaper than the German ones. I doubt there will be much difference in quality, machines do most of the real work.

You might want to reconsider your logic. If machines do the real work, then a handful of Germans will not matter. I guess that's why AMD already has it's most modern fab in Germany and plans to build another in that country.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 109 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (itix):
> Why would JIT need megabytes of RAM? Here Trance is using less than 3MB for translated code.

You are right, I heard that somewhere and never checked. It's not so much. Still, after booting into MorphOS, I have already lost 40 MB to the OS and desktop, disk buffers etc.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 110 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Dec-2003 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (Kronos):
TRue, but the question is, is Genesi able to fullfill IBM's expectations, don't get me wrong here, i'm *not* attacking them, but i simply doubt they would be able to do it cheaper then IBM themselves, and selling a licence to the technology might even be more lucrative then building every single board.

It's all a matter of scale & capacities

Cheers
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 111 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 08-Dec-2003 21:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Anonymous):
You are right, I heard that somewhere and never checked. It's not so much. It depends on how many 68k apps you have running... I believe much more memory was needed on BPPC/CSPPC development systems and it is different in Amithlon where the entire OS is emulated.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 112 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Peggus on 08-Dec-2003 22:44 GMT
Bla bla bla, yada yada yada, my dad can beat up your dad, etc etc
Thanks for reminding me why I so rarely visit these forums.

-Peggus
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 113 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by tonya on 09-Dec-2003 00:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Peggus):
GROW UP KIDS!
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 114 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2003 00:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Peggus):
> Bla bla bla, yada yada yada

ainc + eyetech = TRUE!

they killed amigaos. so what. get over it people.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 115 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Dec-2003 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Anonymous):
Somebody better tell hyperion they're slaving away on a corpse then...

Ainc once said classic AOS was dead, but they reconsidered, and went ahead with the AOS4 project, at first it was going to be developed by Ainc in combination with Haage & Partner, but funding problems at Ainc, and a dispute between the both of them stalled that.

Eyetech on the meanwhile had Escena slaving away on the A1, but as the AOS4 deal started looking doubtfull due to Ainc & H&P's bickering etc they also halted development.

It was on a meeting between Ainc, Eyetech and Hyperion that a compromise/solution was found, Eyetech would provide the hardware, Hyperion would do the porting, and Ainc would do what they do best (iow, idling & getting sued left & right).

So, if anyone is to blame for the massive delays in the AOS4 project, it's Ainc.

Cheers
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 116 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 09-Dec-2003 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Anonymous):
An I think Amiga has been killed by Commodore, then an Amiga community remains.
This community has been splitted into two pieces and killed the old friendship by BBRV & the whole Genesi. No doubt.

Thank you BBRV! This was really nice!

BTW: Does anybody called IBM-Japan about 1500 peg2 boards? That person would be really surprised (I'm not). Say bye-bye to your Peg2 money guys! :( I've already done it. :(((
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 117 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2003 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Frank):
> and killed the old friendship by BBRV

Do they grow whining people like you somewhere? There is a group of developers that invests brainpower, motivation, years of work and weekends, not to mention money, but ann if full with useless unqualified people like you that whine, are over-emotional and have the logic of kindergarden kids. It appears that the curse of the Amiga is its high percentage of moronic users.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 118 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 09-Dec-2003 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Amon_Re):
>So, if anyone is to blame for the massive delays in the AOS4 project, it's
>Ainc.

Well, that's one way to look at it. I prefer looking at it as caused by the general pathetic bickering in the Amiga industry as well as community. Amiga Inc. was rather naive when they thought that they could actually get Thendic-France, H&P, bPlan (former Phase5), and Eyetech to get along in a mutual partnership agreement. Amiga Inc. used their first 9 months on negotiating for the sake of unity and miserably failed. Who to blame is a matter of your own subjective point of view, I just look at this awful mess of a former glorious computer industry as sad and rather pathetic.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 119 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 09-Dec-2003 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Frank):
>BTW: Does anybody called IBM-Japan about 1500 peg2 boards? That person would
>be really surprised (I'm not). Say bye-bye to your Peg2 money guys! :( I've
>already done it. :(((

You know something we don't? Care to share the information with us?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 120 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 09-Dec-2003 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Amon_Re):
> Somebody better tell hyperion they're slaving away on a corpse then...

And you think they would listen? ;-)

BTW, I would not call Hyperion's OS a corpse, it has not even been born yet (released). It will probably be a very nice OS when it's finished.

But IMO, it will not be able to survive (and even less getting a sustainable evolution) as long as it is exclusively tied to the "Eyetech Hardware" with Eyetech's price tags. If nothing radical changes in this aspect, it seems to me that only a few hundred people around the globe will use (and develop for) Hyperion's OS.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 121 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2003 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Amon_Re):
> So, if anyone is to blame for the massive delays in the AOS4 project, it's Ainc.

true dat. one of the things ainc did to screw aos was letting eyetech have a say. could just as well have told hyperion not to bother anymore, aos4 is stillborn cuase we're gonna play the 'new amiga' s/m game.

there are only two people in that 'shit + obsolescence' pa cartoon. ainc and eyetech. not hyperion.

re. delays. after hyperion took over all aos delays are of course hyperion's fault. but shit happens and personally i only blame them for their constant rsn bullshit.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 122 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 09-Dec-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Amon_Re):
>Eyetech on the meanwhile had Escena slaving away on the A1, but as the AOS4 deal
> started looking doubtfull due to Ainc & H&P's bickering etc they also halted development.

Thats BS, the board was a dead duck from day one, and Alan just wasn't men enough to
admit when he finally realized it (long after everyone else knew it). Only when he thought
he had a replacement at hand he did finally put it into it's grave. Not without nuturing hope
and selling cases "ready for A1" right till the last minute offcourse.

THAT was what made H&P halt all OS4-work, not the other way round.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 123 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 09-Dec-2003 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (samface):
"You know something we don't? Care to share the information with us?"

They, didn't know anything about Genesi, not even 1500 Peg2 boards. :(((
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 124 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Dec-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (takemehomegrandma):
Well then, build or buy some boards & get a licence, easy no?

Cheers
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 125 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Dec-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Kronos):
Maybe, i wasn't involved with it, however, Escena did work on that thing, how much work or how far they got is besides the question, as that one was scrapped.

Cheers
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 126 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 09-Dec-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Frank):
Heh, i can hear & see the look on those guys when you asked..

"Genesi? Nani?!" ;)

Cheers
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 127 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 09-Dec-2003 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Amon_Re):
Don't laugh! It isn't so funny! :(((
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 128 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 09-Dec-2003 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Amon_Re):
The way I see it's in Hyperion's interest to make their OS supported by as many hardware options as possible, the other way around would be just that, twisted.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 129 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 09-Dec-2003 19:49 GMT
Is the Micro-A1 free of the same data-corruption bug that its big brother doesn't have also?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 130 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 09-Dec-2003 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Frank):
Just kidding. Sorry for being a twat.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 131 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 09-Dec-2003 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Frank):
But seriously, if they'd only take my collect call I would ask them.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 132 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Frank (the real) on 09-Dec-2003 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Frank):
Hey! Please don't post in my name! Thank you!
(Last two posts weren't made by me.)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 133 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 09-Dec-2003 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Frank (the real)):
Umm... Then how did the fake get the same IP address?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 134 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by MikeB/Frank/Interesting/Tiko/Asemoon on 09-Dec-2003 21:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Stephane Desrosiers):
Because the Bouma fuckwit forgot what made up alter ego he was gonna use for this proxy IP.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 135 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Frank on 09-Dec-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 133 (Stephane Desrosiers):
Because I must use a proxy to reach half of the net. My IP sucks, and I never though, there could be such a bad guy who would make fun from it. :(

Where is the old Amiga community? :(
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 136 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 10-Dec-2003 09:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Anonymous):
Making processor cores (i.e. AMD Athlon/Opteron die) is quite different from assembling motherboards. AMD maintains back-end product assembly plants across the globe(e.g Thailand, Malaysia, China). Note that the major(e.g. ASUStek, Gigabyte, Micro Star International) X86 motherboard manufactures comes from Taiwan.

For AMD's "fabs" (wafers) operations refer to
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/AboutAMD/0,,51_52_9999,00.html
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/AboutAMD/0,,51_52_9999_509,00.html
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/AboutAMD/0,,51_52_502_505,00.html

Austin, Texas, AMD Fab 25 is in volume production using 0.17 micron technology and 130nm technology today and is migrating to 110nm in 2004.

Dresden, AMD Fab 30, is in volume production using 130 nanometer technology. With future 300mm fab to built in similar location.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 137 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 10-Dec-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ronald):
> > Spam? Is the Home User market, you are referring-to, home-based Spam distribution?

> Nah, those server farms use Windows Server and most brands of UNIX. Not Amiga. ;)

> people buying Mini-ITX based PCs for their living rooms look foolish right about > now? I should send Falcon Northwest an email to tell'em that they should drop
> their hot selling FragBox PC line, right?

Who the heck, other than you, was discussing any "Mini-ITX PC"?
I was discussing the Microa1 which has DEFINETELY been announced, by its Markeeters-to-be, as being for the embedded market!

Please look up THAT term on Google - "embedded", and then remove foot from mouth!
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