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[News] More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configurationANN.lu
Posted on 06-Dec-2003 21:42 GMT by Raffaele137 comments
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Alan Redhouse speaks on amigaworld.net about the daughterboards of the riser card slot and the 256MB of onboard RAM on the new Micro AmigaOne... The post of Alan was noticed by readers and another thread of comments about it started.
You can find it again on amigaworld.net

Enjoy it.

Ciao,

Raffaele
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 51 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
> If you don't see the attack in that post on AW, then you are positively
> blind. And of course Pegasos was not mentioned by name, he's not stupid and
> knows that Genesi could take him before a court if he did.

If you do see it as an attack, you're positively paranoid :)

And what's all this "take him to court" stuff? is this how Genesi is doing business these days, can't compete in quality so they compete in court? Eyetech is *not* Amiga Inc, they have money and can defend themselves. Besides, the Eyech lawyer just has to show one Coke vs Pepsi ad and the case will be laughed out of court.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 52 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 07-Dec-2003 21:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
Hmmm, I run win 2000 on 256mb at it works well enough for my dev work... I'm sure OS4 will fly.

AND YOU CAN UPGRADE THE MEMORY WITH SO-DIMM.

Cheers, Ian
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 53 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
I don't get this - so you'd rather buy a machine with no memory and one slot, than a machine with 256M built-in and one slot. 256M that was bought in bulk, so it will be a lot cheaper than an SODIMM you buy in a store.

It's not like the MiniA1 is the only choice you have, you can buy a full-sized AmigaOne instead if you want. You have a choice, just like you do with the Pegasos. Ah wait, on the Pegasos you don't. Genesi only sells one kind of Pegasos. The AmigaOne choice: full-size or mini. The Pegasos choice: take it or leave it. Hmmm. At least it came out before the AmigaOnes did ;)

Things must be getting pretty desperate at Troll Central if that's all you can pick on. Go play with your AGPx1 Peg2, now that is a real limitation, not how much memory the machine came with.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 54 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
> If you do see it as an attack, you're positively paranoid :)

What, you don't think that Alan's sudden technical insights and forays into AGP technology (quote: "True AGP - as used on the AmigaOne -") are not targeted at the Pegasos2? Maybe I am paranoid then.

> And what's all this "take him to court" stuff? is this how Genesi is doing business these days

I said he wouldn't mention the competition's "Pegasos" because that might get him in front of a court if he is not careful. I understand that is how everybody here does business. As to Coke vs. Pesi, that's cowboy land, no EU.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 55 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
The Pegasos 2 *does* have AGP (look at any Genesi press release), just running at half the speed as the AmigaOne's implementation. So it couln't possibly be that which Alan was referring to.

About your throwaway comment to "cowboyland", in the EU who's going to sue Eyetech? Thendic? yeah, THEY have a lot of credibility over there.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 56 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 21:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (IanS):
>Hmmm, I run win 2000 on 256mb at it works well enough for my dev work... I'm sure OS4 will fly

With only 256MB and Windows, you will be using virtual memory heavily. For some, that is acceptable but if you are used to 512MB or even 1 GB for development, you will not go back (ever).

> I'm sure OS4 will fly

It should, if MorphOS is any indication on nearly identical hardware. But memory consumption is not so much related to the OS but to typical use. Video editing, development etc. simply need a lot of RAM, regardless of OS.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 57 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
>About your throwaway comment to "cowboyland", in the EU who's going to sue Eyetech? Thendic

I believe the name of the company is Genesi SARL, Luxembourg?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 58 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 07-Dec-2003 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Anonymous):
Sure, so you can either upgrade the ram on that board or buy a different one.

I really don't see what the problem is here - so the Mini-ITX isn't going to be for everyone. Big deal.

Cheers,
Ian
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 59 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Anonymous):
Read my comment above. If the MiniA1 is too limiting for your needs, just buy the full-sized AmigaOne. That's why Commodore introduced a whole range of Amigas, because one size does not fit all. Eyetech recognizes this and is doing the same. If you want a small, quiet box for your web browsing, email and games, get a MiniA1. If you want to do serious work, you get the full-sized AmigaOne. What's the big deal? I don't remember ever hearing about the big developers back in the day complaining because the A500 was so limiting for their work, they just bought A3000s and A4000s and got on with it. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands got on just fine with their A500s and A1200s.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 60 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
Yes, the fully-owned subsidiary of Thendic France?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 61 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (IanS):
>I really don't see what the problem is here

There is no "problem" here, it is just that some have commented that defaulting to only 256MB is slightly odd, let's leave it at that. I guess the reason this was discussed at all is that the board needs notebook RAM.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 62 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 07-Dec-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
A1-XE just is too expensive.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 63 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
> Yes, the fully-owned subsidiary of Thendic France?

No idea and why is that relevant? If Eyetech's Alan had mentioned the Pegasos (in a not totally kosher way), he would have found himself before a court even if it was a full-owned subsidary of Devil Inc. That's what companies here do with each other if you are not careful with what you say. You have a cease and desist order in five minutes (or "Abmahnung" in Germany). The first country with such an order against SCO (in SCO vs Linux) was Germany in the EU, not an US court.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 64 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (itix):
I think that anyone that finds the MiniA1 too limiting (you can fit up to 1G of RAM in the SO-DIMM slot and a 1.3GHz G4 in the Megarray socket), and for real reasons, not just willy-waving, will probably be able to afford an XE.

Seems the memory size argument has been settled, the blues are going back to their tired "it's too expensive" argument. Well, a $700 Peg2 is not too cheap either, darlin'
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 65 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:26 GMT
> The Pegasos 2 *does* have AGP (look at any Genesi press release), just running at half the speed as the AmigaOne's implementation.

Actually, we do not yet know about the speed part. The Pegasos 1 runs at AGPx2, like the AmigaOne. Still, its AGP port is reported to be slower than the Pegasos 2 because the Arcticia is a piece of shit (that is a highly technical expression only used by qualified experts).
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 66 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
Why is that relevant? because a fully-owned subsidiary normally follows the management of the the owning company, and Thendic France has been exposed to be a bunch of crooks. Therefore any decent lawyer (Eyetech *can* afford lawyers, remember?) will immediately call into question why Thendic, through its subsidiary Genesi, would be attacking a respectable British business. In any case, the statement, if it had been made, would have been in a public, unsecured BBS, not in any official company statement. It's not like people have never impersonated public figures in Amiga sites before.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 67 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
> Seems the memory size argument has been settled, the blues are going back to their tired "it's too expensive" argument

Well, it is, but remember, you had to bring this up again. Don't blame the blue trolls, blame your grey cells ;-)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 68 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
> bunch of crooks [...] would be attacking a respectable British business

Right, that's how court cases are decided. You win.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 69 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
It has been mentioned multiple times that the Pegasos2 only has an AGPx1 connector, and the only thing to come out of Genesi in that regard is a lame assertion that AGPx1 is not all that slow. I'm pretty sure that if the Pegasos2 did support AGPx2, Genesi would have just said so.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 70 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
My grey cells just process what you wrote: "A1-XE just is too expensive."

I believe it was you who brought up the price argument, not me. Are we getting forgetful? ;)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 71 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anonymous):
If that's all you have to say on the subject, you obviosly haven't had to go through any court transcripts ;)

Do you seriously think the past behaviour of the suing company won't have any effect on the suit's outcome? please. In any case, if anything like that was going to happen, Mai Logic would have sued Genesi ages ago for all the crap Bill Buck said about them. I bet Mai have loads more money than Genesi does :)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 72 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):
> It has been mentioned multiple times that the Pegasos2 only has an AGPx1 connector

Actually, the "connector" can take any AGPx2 card, as it is AGP 2.0 compliant. Of course it's not called a connector but a slot. It will only support the AGPx1 protocol, not AGPx2, but it is reported (by its maker and unconfirmed) that it wil outperform the AGPx2 of the Articia-based Pegasos 1. Let's wait and see. As you might know, Articia-based computers like the A1 and Pegasos1 have a substandard transfer rate on their bus. Figures for Arcticia-bases boards were posted some months ago. Making matters worst, Arctica-based designs have to use SD-RAM. SD-RAM, clocked at the same frequency as the G4 FSB, does not even have sufficient bandwidth for the G4: a G4 can do linear reads at a higher speed than SD-RAM. Now go figure what that means for textures in main memory and alternating accesses by CPU and graphics card (a scenario that normally is presented to justify going for higher AGP speeds).
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 73 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 07-Dec-2003 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ronald):
Please learn from mainstream PC world e.g. ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI and ‘etc’. The mentioned motherboard manufactures has a range of motherboards to suit the individual needs and wants.

I see nothing wrong with Eyetech developing a range of motherboards like the mainstream PC world e.g. A1 XE, A1 SE, MicroA1 and ‘etc’.

It would ideal IF Eyetech supports multiple core logic chipsets like the X86 world e.g. Gigabyte/MSI/ASUS/ASrock supports SIS, NVIDIA, VIA, ALi, AMD, Intel and ‘etc’. With Eyetech’s case it would be PPC targeted logic chipsets e.g. Marvell, MAI and ‘etc’.

As a side note, Genesi could have supported two core logics (i.e. lost MAI) and multiple range motherboard solutions.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 74 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
>I believe it was you who brought up the price argument, not me. Are we getting forgetful? ;)

Nope, it was itix and I overlooked that comment and attacked you. Sorry.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 75 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 07-Dec-2003 22:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
Yes, but often many customers just want buy basic system now and upgrade later. Starting cost for A1-XE is too high. This discussion is fruitless anyway as it seems you don't have any real interest in this MicroA1 topic.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 76 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 07-Dec-2003 23:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (hammer):
Btw is A1-SE still continued?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 77 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 23:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
No problem. In spirited discussions like this, it's easy to get distracted :)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 78 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (itix):
> Yes, but often many customers just want buy basic system now and upgrade
> later. Starting cost for A1-XE is too high.

The only thing in the miniA1 that is not upgradable right now is the graphics chipset, and Alan has said that he's got people looking into the feasibility of changing that. There's nothing stopping anyone from buyng a miniA1 and buying more memory, bigger hard disks, a faster CPU, what else is there?

> This discussion is fruitless anyway as it seems you don't have any real
> interest in this MicroA1 topic.

No, I have plenty of interest. That's why I've done my research and can rebut all your aguments. You, on the other hand, don't like the machine enough to bother researching it, that's why my rebuttals were so easy. That tells me your dislike and arguments against it are based solely on the fact that it's not being sold by Genesi. I have a hunch that in a few months, when Genesi comes up with their own "little board" design, you will staunchly defend it, even if it is identical to this one.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 79 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 23:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Anonymous):
Is this like the claim, made a few months and still unsubstantiated, that a Peg1 with a G3 would outperform an AmigaOne with a G4?

Even if an Articia-based computer had an atrociously bad bus transfer rate (and I'd like to see your source for this bit of info, you can't compare the Peg1 to the AmigaOne because the Peg1 always runs its bus at 100MHz, whereas a properly-configured AmigaOne runs it at 133MHz), there is no way that it could be running at less than 66MHz (AGPx1) speeds.

About your statement that the slot is an AGPx2 slot, running at AGPx1 speeds: sure, I own a Ferrari, it just happens to run at Mazda speeds.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 80 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 07-Dec-2003 23:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
Hi mr/mrs/miss/ms anonymous,

I think you've got itix wrong - from my conversations with him he's NOT in the "blue army". :-)

Cheers,
Ian
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 81 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 07-Dec-2003 23:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
<li>The only thing in the miniA1 that is not upgradable right now is the graphics chipset, and Alan has said that he's got people looking into the feasibility of changing that. There's nothing stopping anyone from buyng a miniA1 and buying more memory, bigger hard disks, a faster CPU, what else is there?</li> True. Finding SO-DIMM is not always easy though. But are you now implying that A1-XE is obsolete when MicroA1 is out? You are stating MicroA1 is almost as good as A1-XE, just without gfx upgrade option... :-) <li>That tells me your dislike and arguments against it are based solely on the fact that it's not being sold by Genesi.</li> You are wrong. The thing I dislike in MicroA1 is that it cant run MorphOS. Having wider range of Pegasos boards would not hurt but personally I see MicroA1 is the only interesting A1 board. A1-XE being extremely expensive compared to Pegasos I dont see A1-XE as an option at all. In my opinion custom hardware (PPC hardware is more or less custom) should have something unique. Pegasos does have it due to Micro-ATX form and silent operation, MicroA1 with its mini-ITX form. Both good.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 82 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (IanS):
> Hi mr/mrs/miss/ms anonymous,

I generally prefer "Supreme Commander" :)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 83 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by IanS on 07-Dec-2003 23:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anonymous):
Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Supreme Commander,

Okay! ;-)

Cheers,
Ian
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 84 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2003 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (itix):
> You are stating MicroA1 is almost as good as A1-XE, just without gfx upgrade option... :-)

Not quite. The microA1 is expandable, but not as much as the XE. I see the micro as a replacement for the A500. The A500 could be expanded to be as powerful as an A2000 (CPU and RAM card, external SCSI disk), but most people did not do so, they bought an A2000. People who want to put in video capture cards, high-end sound cards, all sorts of "pro" equipment, those are the ones I see as buying the XE. The micro is the board that I see your average web surfer, game player and bedroom programmer buying.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 85 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 00:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (IanS):
No no, you got it wrong. I'm Supreme Comander Anonymous :)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 86 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 08-Dec-2003 00:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
A1-XE can take 4 PCI cards and 1 AGP card, when MicroA1 can take 3 PCI cards via riser card and 0 AGP. Riser card adds an extra cost and MicroA1 is still without AGP. If the on-board gfx is not problem then MicroA1 is superior over A1-XE and maybe very competitive with Pegasos (depending on price tag and further HW details).
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 87 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 08-Dec-2003 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (itix):
Sometimes I hope there was an edit option... The sentence "Riser card adds an extra cost and MicroA1 is still without AGP." can be ignored and washed from memory. :-)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 88 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Eric_Z on 08-Dec-2003 01:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (itix):
Well that depends on the final product looks like, that hopefully will be announced at bath. If Alan decides to reroute the AGP to a custom connector (?riser card?). Then there's not much of a point to keep the A1 in the lineup as it is, as it wouldn't have the custom IO daughter board connector (for USB 2.0 IEEE, 1394, WiFi and what not) and not much more PCI expandabillety, the fourth PCI slot drags the AGP down to 1x and is therefore really only used for PCI graphic cards, if at all. The only pro the A1 would have, really, is that it can take ECC memmory and is more easely upgraded to 2Gb of RAM (try finding a 1.75 Gb SO-DIMM stick :) ).

But anyway, let's wait untill the show in Bath and the anouncements there before we can make any judgements.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 89 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 08-Dec-2003 01:33 GMT
I want to have a 512 Megs RAM and leave the second slot empty for future use(another 512 Megs RAM)! Soldering RAM to consumer mobos is what companies used to do in the "Dark Ages".

I don't want a Micro-ATX, nor a Pegasus and not a full board (FlexATX nor ATX). It's going to the living room with a large 160+ GB 5400 HD plugged to the TV. Also may double as a small file server (if Samba and FTP are available for AmigaOS 4). People will be able to access their emails and browse the net with it. And watch movies on it. It's not going to be my main PC because it doesn't have games (DOOM3 and HL2), No Visual Studio (no C#) and no 5250 client (VPN?).

For those who whine about the prices: You are buying something else other than a Windows machine. You're gonna pay a higher price whether you like it or not.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 90 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 01:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Eric_Z):
Don't forget that the XE motherboard is about a year old, an the mini-itx is next year's model. One would expect improvements :)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 91 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 01:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Ronald St-Maurice):
> I want to have a 512 Megs RAM and leave the second slot empty for future use
> (another 512 Megs RAM)! Soldering RAM to consumer mobos is what companies used
> to do in the "Dark Ages".

Take a look at your graphics card then, it's straight out of the dark ages. Would you be happier if the board had an extra slot, that came with a factory-stuffed 256M SODIMM? what if I told you all that extra plastic and wiring had a pricetag to it?

> I don't want a Micro-ATX, nor a Pegasus and not a full board (FlexATX nor
> ATX). It's going to the living room with a large 160+ GB 5400 HD plugged to

Well, you just listed every modern type of motherboard. What *do* you want? Baby AT?

> with it. And watch movies on it. It's not going to be my main PC because it
> doesn't have games (DOOM3 and HL2), No Visual Studio (no C#) and no 5250
> client (VPN?).

1. No-one outside of ID or Valve has access to Doom3 or HL2 either. I don't like PCs because they don't have Soul Calibur. Boohoo.
2. C# is just a Java knock-off. I suspect you listed C# because it's the only "standard" language not currently available on the amiga.
3. It won't be very long before someone has written a VPN client, if one doesn't exist yet. It's a common need and amiga users have a long history of solving those just fine, thank you.

> For those who whine about the prices: You are buying something else other
> than a Windows machine. You're gonna pay a higher price whether you like it
> or not.

Finally, a statement that is grounded on reality. Hopefully this should change, as motherboards become cheaper. We can already use the same peripherals as Windows users, the only thing left to make cheaper is the mainboard itself (a one-off expense).
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 92 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 08-Dec-2003 02:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (itix):
Don’t know...
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 93 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 08-Dec-2003 02:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anonymous):
>2. C# is just a Java knock-off. I suspect you listed C# because it's the >only "standard" language not currently available on the amiga.

The same thing can said for Java i.e. C++ knock off. Did you missed MS Visual
J# .NET? From memory, the AmigaOS doesn't have a full implemented Java.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 94 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 08-Dec-2003 03:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anonymous):
Take a look at your graphics card then, it's straight out of the dark ages. Would you be happier if the board had an extra slot, that came with a factory-stuffed 256M SODIMM? what if I told you all that extra plastic and wiring had a pricetag to it?

The graphics card is powerful enough to do movies and other 2D chores. I don't expect to see any latest 3D games on this platform anytime soon. Your point about the graphic card is irrelevant. Also note that the Mini-ITX boards don't solder their RAM one their mobos. So why should they do something radical like that on the PowerPC side?


Well, you just listed every modern type of motherboard. What *do* you want? Baby AT?

I didn't list every modern type of motherboard. I want an Mini-ITX fitted with a PowerPC CPU running the AmigaOS4. It seems you don't know much about the AmigaOne Lite.


1. No-one outside of ID or Valve has access to Doom3 or HL2 either. I don't like PCs because they don't have Soul Calibur. Boohoo.
2. C# is just a Java knock-off. I suspect you listed C# because it's the only "standard" language not currently available on the amiga.
3. It won't be very long before someone has written a VPN client, if one doesn't exist yet. It's a common need and amiga users have a long history of solving those just fine, thank you.


1. What's your point?
2. Java is a hybrid Smalltalk/C++. What's your point? The Sun Java SDK isn't even available for the AmigaOS4 platform. Python, Perl and a myriad of other common languages probably aren't available for the OS4 platform.
3. What about a 5250 client to access AS/400s over IPSec/VPN?

Let's face it, most Amigas are going to be sold to Windows customers. It's impossible for the new Amigas to do everything Windows or Mac PCs can.


Finally, a statement that is grounded on reality. Hopefully this should change, as motherboards become cheaper. We can already use the same peripherals as Windows users, the only thing left to make cheaper is the mainboard itself (a one-off expense).

I'd like it when you post replies that they be based on reality too. You don't seem to be very knowledgeable on Amigas and other computers.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 95 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2003 07:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Sorry, I ain't biting :)

Nice personal attack though, if perhaps a bit amateurish.
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 96 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Dec-2003 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
Sure it is, the ArticiaS is even to blame for the hole in the ozone layer... Give it a rest, unless you can prove it in some way? (as in a technical way?)

Cheers
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 97 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 08-Dec-2003 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Anonymous):
Sorry, I ain't biting :)

Nice personal attack though, if perhaps a bit amateurish.


Pot calling kettle black... Uh? Mister troll?
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 98 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Alan LM Buxey on 08-Dec-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
yep. well done. you now understand how the modern computing business works.

a company designs a chipset, another company makes the boards, a third set of companies sell the board, with their own branding etc.

havent you seen those rebadged CISCO switches being sold as Compaq or Dell hardware? what about those Maxtor MaxAttach 4300 NAS units being solds as Compaq
NAS? all the time, all over the world.

of course, those people who SELL the hardware to the end users are VERY important. without those people, the people who MAKE the boards wouldnt be able to survive..and without the boards to put them on, whats the point in making
and designing the chips?

If you feel strongly that your computer must be 100% designed and made by one company then you're completely out of luck. those days are LONG LONG gone.
in fact, iirc, Commodore (the big C=) was the last of its kind.
all the games consoles now lever technolgy from 3rd parties (Nintendo use
ATI for GPU, IBM for CPU, Sony use Toshiba and MIPS etc, M$ use NVidia,
Intel etc) the PC companies build their boards from all over the place.

and if you're into Pegasos. well, the I used the same Articia chipset as the AmigaONE, and the new PegII uses the Marvel chipset. and then they use bought in components for all the other parts. the only thing i can think of is that
the main board is built in Germany...so if you're a fanatical 'only buy products built in own country' you might be onto a more even backstretch there.

Alan
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 99 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 08-Dec-2003 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Alan LM Buxey):
Maybe Pegasos boards are sold under IBM brand in the future? ;-)
More infos on the Micro A-One and its base configuration : Comment 100 of 137ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 08-Dec-2003 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (itix):
I think IBM is cabable of making their own boards, and cheaper then genesi can, don't forget that IBM is HUGE!

Cheers
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