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Posted on 09-Dec-2003 21:00 GMT by Some guy73 comments
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New CAM issue just came out, sonme really good news on the AmigaOS4 side. Hyperion is already moving their titles to OS4.
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Posted by Kjetil on 09-Dec-2003 20:03 GMT
Thats interesting I simply love demo versions of games, hope they put some demos/previews on the AmigaOS4.0 CD.
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Posted by itix on 09-Dec-2003 21:18 GMT
Looks like I sold my BPPC too early... I could get good price in the AWN now. I only wonder did Hyperion promise OS4 for BPPC for free or what?
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Posted by priest on 09-Dec-2003 21:47 GMT
Awesome set of apps seem to run already on AOS4.

Well done everybody! Keep it up!
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 09-Dec-2003 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (itix):
Hardly. Whether we'll ever see a BlizzardPPC version of AmigaOS 4.0 or not remains uncertain. I do believe Genesi mentioned something about giving away MorphOS for free for BlizzardPPC and CyberStormPPC owners.

Too bad OS 4.0 or something similar came out around 2000-2001*. My PPC Amiga might not have ended up in the basement, now serving as a container of spare parts...:-(

* Yes, I know people will tell me that a beta of MorphOS was out by the then. Tried it, tried later versions as well, the comp is still in the basement, enough said.
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Posted by spot on 09-Dec-2003 22:56 GMT
i liked the xmas greetings, but then, i always get a bit sentimental this time of the year. merry x-mas to you too os4 dev boys/slaves!
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Posted by José on 09-Dec-2003 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lennart Fridén):
Yes, free MOS for BPPC at the same time AOS4 is released, when recent versions allways runned on the hardware. Too much a coincidence. Too bad Genesi seems to be more worried in playing certain games than serving the community as they want it to think...
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Posted by Leif on 09-Dec-2003 23:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (José):
You mean evil games of mind-altering Peg-Pong ?
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Posted by FakesAndSh*t on 09-Dec-2003 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lennart Fridén):
> I do believe Genesi mentioned something about giving away
> MorphOS for free for BlizzardPPC and CyberStormPPC owners

who gives a sh*t? this topic is about cam and ainc efforts, not mos and every other amiga os-wannabe.
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Posted by José on 09-Dec-2003 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Leif):
Evil? Don't know. But of convenience while trying to give a different image, yes. But they don't seem to be the only ones.
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Posted by The_Cretin on 10-Dec-2003 04:52 GMT
How did JoannaK get in there ??
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 07:20 GMT
Cool!!!

I'd love to play HereticII @ 60 fps and more!!
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 08:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (FakesAndSh*t):
>who gives a sh*t? this topic is about cam and ainc efforts, not mos and every other amiga os-wannabe.

This topic "is about cam"?! This topic is about nothing, it is non-news except for those that have access to it. For the rest, it's like saying "an article has been released somewhere but you can't read it, we just wanted to let you now it exists". How interesting. As to the news of Hyperion porting their software to their OS, what a bummer. I wouldn't have expected that.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 10-Dec-2003 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (FakesAndSh*t):
>> I do believe Genesi mentioned something about giving away
>> MorphOS for free for BlizzardPPC and CyberStormPPC owners

>who gives a sh*t? this topic is about cam and ainc efforts, not mos and every >other amiga os-wannabe.

If you read the posts carefully, you will find this:

"I only wonder did Hyperion promise OS4 for BPPC for free or what?"

This was in answer to that, the poster mixed up Hyperion and Genesi, and it was simply pointed out that it was Genesi who promised the BlizzardPPC versions for free. Take it easy, and make a step back. :)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-Dec-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (José):
> Yes, free MOS for BPPC at the same time AOS4 is released

So? Why would that be bad for AOS4? If Genesi wanted to "invade" the market they could do it NOW and more successfully.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 09:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Fabio Alemagna):
>So? Why would that be bad for AOS4? If Genesi wanted to "invade" the market they could do it NOW and more successfully.

Well, they would do more damage to AOS4 by waiting which is what I'd guess the
initial poster was wondering about.
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 10-Dec-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Genesi do have a rather good sense of timing.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Matt Parsons):
No kidding. Too bad Buck is too busy trying to destroy an already small market to do something really useful.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Well if they succeed in downing amiga inc the market is going to get a whole lot smaller.... I would never buy a thing from them and I suspect a lot of people would just simply give up on the amiga community.

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Posted by Jack Me on 10-Dec-2003 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Too true.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-Dec-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
> Well, they would do more damage to AOS4 by waiting which is what I'd guess the
> initial poster was wondering about.

I don't really see how. By waiting you get in direct competition with AOS4, by giving it away now you are likely to bind more people to you. This giving it away NOW would do more damage to AOS4.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-Dec-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Fabio Alemagna):
"This giving" -> "Thus giving"
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Posted by brotheris on 10-Dec-2003 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Those who are holding to current Ainc, will not buy anything (I think all those who would buy, already bought new machines). Browsing with explorer and speaking about truism..well it is only thing can be done. When mothership explodes, the wind will blow all the dust. Who should care about the name ? It is hobby, be it red or blue. Alternative computing if you like that description. It is bussiness for other companies too. Bancrupt or not ;-)
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Posted by itix on 10-Dec-2003 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Well, they would do more damage to AOS4 by waiting which is what I'd guess theinitial poster was wondering about. You don't have to use MorphOS if you don't like it. And you can always have both solution on your BPPC. For example if you are WarpUp fan you probably prefer MorphOS but on the other hand I know some software which doesnt work in MorphOS but works in AmigaOS4 (MorphOS is CGX only). OS4 have new sets of Reaction gadgets, MOS have new polished MUI... the list could go on forever.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (itix):
>You don't have to use MorphOS if you don't like it. And you can always have both solution on your BPPC.

Agreed, but the point was why someone has stated that a BPPC version of MOS
would be released for free when AOS4 is out. Cannot see the connection other
than trying to destroy the market. I mean, if you see a value releaseing MOS
for BPPC, why plan the event depending on AOS4 at all?
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (itix):
There is new OS4 native MUI too.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Aggreed. If that's true then it looks like planned attack on OS4...
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
The MorphOS MUI version is being developed exclusively for MorphOS and
therefore has a few more features than OS4's 3.9 compile.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
There is no market to destory.
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Posted by itix on 10-Dec-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
I mean, if you see a value releaseing MOS or BPPC, why plan the event depending on AOS4 at all? No idea. If it is not coincidence it could have something to do conflicts between Ben Hermans and Ralph Schmidt.
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Posted by itix on 10-Dec-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
MUI for OS4 is limited shareware version when MorphOS is supplied with full MUI integrated to the operating system.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
>There is no market to destory.

If there is no market to destroy, then what's the point releasing MOS to a non existing market then???
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (itix):
"MUI for OS4 is limited shareware version "

Who did say that ? How can you be so sure. I have not seen any comment like that.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (itix):
"If it is not coincidence it could have something to do conflicts between Ben Hermans and Ralph Schmidt."

In other words: attack on OS4.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Because MorphOS works on PowerUP boards since 2000 and it isn't a big business
to release it? There is not much work required (apart from support which is the
reason why it wasn't released yet).
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
So ? Even if MOS version of MUI have some few features more than OS4 MUI then MUI for OS4 is till OS4 native. So it has native MUI, and that was all I said, And no I have not seen any official notice that it would be just unregistered shareware version.
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Dec-2003 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (The_Cretin):
Dunno.. apparently I was worth a cheap shot.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
"The OS 4.x OEM version of MUI has a predefined look which closely matches the
OS 4.x default look and which cannot be customised by the user without
registering MUI separately."

http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4FeatureSet.php?p=19
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
Ok maybe it then is just SW version. BUT. Even if it is, it does not affect the usability of MUI. Only configurability is restricted. You can still use MUI and MUI application. Like in m68k version, here is no restictions in it what MUI application works and what does not. And I doubt it that MOS MUI has changed dramtically, maybe it looks different but that's not so important if application still works.
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Posted by itix on 10-Dec-2003 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
I think OS4 did not exist in 2000...
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Posted by itix on 10-Dec-2003 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
Hmm... I cant find reference for this right now but I doubt Hyperion paid full license for MUI.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 10-Dec-2003 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
> In other words: attack on OS4.

You really don't want to understand, do you? In which way, releasing MOS for the classic systems at the same time as OS4, would damage AOS4 sales MORE than if MOS for the classic systems were to be released NOW? Don't you understand that AOS4 sales would be hurt MORE if it were to be released NOW?
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Posted by acg on 10-Dec-2003 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (priest):
Could you name some of the apps that are running..I would hope Pagestream and
ImageFX at least...and turboprint...and the two big word processors, and
a database..and some scanner software, and fax software.....and internet
browsers, and Hollywood....

thanks. Good luck to AOS4.0, and Hyperion and Eyetech....
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Posted by José on 10-Dec-2003 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fabio Alemagna):
@Fabio
I hnestly don't know, and I don't like rushing out to quick conclusions...but it seems TO MUCH of a coincidence.
My GUESS is that they didn't release it to B/CPPC to have more people buying Pegasus machines. But now maybe they see a different balance between pros and cons to THEY'RE business..?
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Posted by Don Cox on 10-Dec-2003 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (José):
"I hnestly don't know, and I don't like rushing out to quick conclusions...but it seems TO MUCH of a coincidence.
My GUESS is that they didn't release it to B/CPPC to have more people buying Pegasus machines. But now maybe they see a different balance between pros and cons to THEY'RE business..?"

Or maybe an update to the BPCC version of MOS is a boring task which they have only just got around to?

Who would want to go back to coding for that old technology after a year of coding for the Pegasos?
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Posted by José on 10-Dec-2003 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Don Cox):
"Or maybe an update to the BPCC version of MOS is a boring task which they have only just got around to?
Who would want to go back to coding for that old technology after a year of coding for the Pegasos?"

Why are they doing it now then?
I might be wrong but I don't even think the B/CPPC version would be such a huge task.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Anonymous):
Ditto. And that's two...
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Posted by itix on 10-Dec-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (José):
BPPC/CSPPC 'roms' itself probably arent big task since they should have drivers already. But polishing stuff for PowerUp release is different matter... And I doubt PowerUp release supports AGA, thus leaving room for OS4...
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Posted by Olegil on 10-Dec-2003 19:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (JoannaK):
Relax, Joanna. It wasn't bad at all.

Hey, you actually got a mention. I didn't! ;-)
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Posted by itix on 10-Dec-2003 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Olegil):
Bill Hoggett did! :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2003 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fabio Alemagna):
It would probably be the same so both of you shut up. ;-)
Seriously, none of you has (I believe) a magic mirror to know exactly how things would be in the future "if" - so give it a break, you can't be 100% sure it will be the way either one of you says.
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