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[Events] Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) ReportANN.lu
Posted on 13-Dec-2003 23:01 GMT by Angus Manwaring51 comments
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My impressions (with pics) of the Bath Amiga Show - presented by the South West Amiga Group. There a link off the Main AGDB page to my Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report.
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Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 13-Dec-2003 22:08 GMT
What? You couldn't include the link!
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2003 22:27 GMT
Whats an AGDB page?
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 13-Dec-2003 22:40 GMT
Google found it...

http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/AGDB.html
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Posted by Richi on 13-Dec-2003 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peter Gordon):
You won respect my google result just for 3 minutes!
Next time i'll be the fastest...actually i hope we don't need to do it again :-)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 13-Dec-2003 22:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peter Gordon):
... and now that I've read the report, it was very well written! Nice!
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Posted by rainbow on 13-Dec-2003 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Peter Gordon):
Some pictures at http://www.amigaguru.com/BathShow/Index.html
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Posted by Richi on 13-Dec-2003 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Gordon):
..And i just read the the AmigaOne with the latest OS4 was yours.
So tell me what's new since last show?
Graphics.library?
...
Thanks Bye
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 8 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Dec-2003 02:20 GMT
Thank you for a (as said before) well written show report; it was short, but it was fast!

:-)

The (too) few pictures was interesting and well(?) selected. It was kind of cool to see that fleecy isn't a "robot" at AW these days, and it's allways nice to see a man who appreciates facial hair (thinking about Alan Redhouse here, besides myself ;-)).

However, it would have been interesting to see some more pictures of the "A1 lite", as well as some more screenshots from the current OS4, etc. But I have a feeling that people will start posting such pictures soon, both from OS4 and the A1 lite from their own "computer rooms".

Speaking of that, today its ~2 weeks until cristmas. An advice to Hyperion: In one week from now, the next weekend, whatever you have at that moment regarding your OS4 project, release it as it is to *all* the A1 owners. IMO, that is what's expected now. Some kind of public beta deliverance before christmas (including some margins for download errors or whatever). It's time to bring it out into the light, like the way MorphOS was brought into the light a year ago. Let's compare it to MorphOS 1.5!

:-)
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Dec-2003 02:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (takemehomegrandma):
> as well as some more screenshots from the current OS4

... or even better, some texts describing it! :-)
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Posted by Vern on 14-Dec-2003 02:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (rainbow):
6th (DSCF0027.JPG) picture shows OS4 running Voxelspace demo. The FPS is ~80. Here is a grab of Voxelspace running on Pegasos1 G3 @ 600MHz: http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/voxelspace_trance_peg1c.png

What was the exact spec of that AmigaONE? Why is it performing so badly there? Isn't the graphics.library PPC native by now?

-- Vern
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Posted by Tigger on 14-Dec-2003 03:10 GMT
>>>>
Fleecy was talking about the general Amiga position, including the legal situation, I think, and I was immediately impressed by his manner and his straightforward and pleasant personality.
>>>>
Wouldn't it have better to tell us what he said rather then he was straightforward and pleasant. I mean this is the man who gave us, we are still in the offices (long after they had been kicked out), phones were hacked (after they had been turned off) and the website is down because we are moving it to coincide with my brother in laws wedding when the site wasnt really down. I mean the final judgements in for the Ingram group now, and its big and painful, McEwens missing court dates like its his hobby, and the courts apparently are putting verbage about must show or get arrested on cases involving McEwen, that doesnt sound good for the President/CEO or the company he represents.
-Tig
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Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Tigger):
Tig, your blue bias is showing. Here we have a thread discussing the Bath show, and all you can think of is bringing up the Amiga Inc court case.

You must be feeling threatened by the number of AmigaOne-XEs, running OS4 BETA, present at the show, as well as the talk on the AmigaOne-XC, which is going to be one sweet little machine. It's really not our fault that the company you like so much rushed to be the first, and ended up providing an inferior product. As the old saying goes, good things come to those who wait, and I'm really looking forward to running a fast, stable OS on a compact little machine in the very near future (the XE is very nice, but in electronics smaller is usually better). If you believe the Amiga solution is better (and judging by your comments in all the forums I've seen you post, you do, else you would not feel so compelled to defend the alternative), by all means buy one when they appear in the shops. If you prefer the Pegasos, wait until it appears in the shops and buy one of those instead. But either way, please keep all this negative bullcrap to yourself.
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Posted by Don Cox on 14-Dec-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Gordon):
How many people were there?
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Posted by Fredrik on 14-Dec-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (takemehomegrandma):
>release it as it is to *all* the A1 owners. IMO, that is what's expected now.

As I remembered it, it's only going to be released to "Early bird" owners. And it's going to be a *non supported* prerelease.
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Posted by Kronos on 14-Dec-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Fredrik):
The only A1 that aren't "Earlybirds" are the few TeronCX that were sold as "A1-dev",
and I somehow doubt that these will be excluded. Even A1s sold today (and till the final
release of No.4 )are labeled "Earlybird", so "all A1s" is just the same.
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Posted by Fredrik on 14-Dec-2003 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Kronos):
>Even A1s sold today (and till the finalrelease of No.4 )
>are labeled "Earlybird", so "all A1s" is just the same.

In sweden we can buy "linux-only" and/or "Early bird" motherboards.

Take a look att "http://www.ggsdata.se" on the lefthand there is a menu starting with "news". below that you will find "computers" and a couple of sub choices. Click the "AmigaOne". Now in the righthand frame there will be a big button in the middle saying "Priser", klick on that. Now at the top you will se "AmigaOne 'Earlybird' & Linux-only..." and if you look further down you will se that there is two different G3 XE boards and two different G4 XE boards, Earlybird and Linux-only.
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Posted by Kronos on 14-Dec-2003 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Fredrik):
How can a linux-only Teron be an "AmigaOne" ? Pretty much collides with McBill's
exec-up on the licence scheme where he made clear that only a board delievered
with AmigaOS can be called AmigaOne (and even the "buy A1 now get OS4 later"
scheme isn't really inline with that ;)).
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 18 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Fredrik on 14-Dec-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Kronos):
Well, I guess you have to ask Gunne Steen. I am not responsible for GGS-Data.
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Posted by Kronos on 14-Dec-2003 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Fredrik):
Sure,but we are back to the point where everybody who bought such a board as an
"Amiga" will get this prerelease. Those few who bought a linux-only board (assuming
that anyone actually did it) have allready shown that they have no interest in OS4.
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Posted by SlimJim on 14-Dec-2003 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Kronos):
It's *not* called an 'AmigaOne' on GGS when it's sold with only Linux, I think.
If I remember correctly, the site simply says "this motherboard can also be bought
for use with Linux only. Call for details" or somesuch.
.
SlimJim
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 21 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Fredrik on 14-Dec-2003 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Kronos):
>Sure,but we are back to the point where everybody who bought such a board
>as an "Amiga" will get this prerelease. Those few who bought a linux-only
>board (assuming that anyone actually did it) have allready shown that
>they have no interest in OS4.

Actually I don't understand what you say.

Do you mean that the ones that bought AmigaOne Earlybird from GGS-data will get the prerelease and...

The ones that bought Linux only will not get the prerelease because they have allready shown no interest in OS4.

???????
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Posted by Fredrik on 14-Dec-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (SlimJim):
I'm sorry to say this, but the only way I could interpret GGS-datas AmigaOne price list is that the do *use* the name AmigaOne on the linux-Only motherboard.
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Posted by Kronos on 14-Dec-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Fredrik):
@Slimjim

It's all too "swedish" for me to check that up. But I would see it as an mistake if he did
sell boards without OS4-option as AmigaOnes, since these have nothing that would
even remotly qualify them as Amigas.

@Frederik
Someone who bought a "linux-only" board, bought it for Linux only, dismissing the OS4-
option, so why should he have any interest in an OS4-prerelease ?
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Posted by Fredrik on 14-Dec-2003 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Kronos):
>Someone who bought a "linux-only" board, bought it for Linux only,
>dismissing the OS4-option, so why should he have any interest in an
>OS4-prerelease ?

It feels like you are avoiding my question.

So I guess we are back to the point where everybody who bought *"Earlybird"* boards/systems will get a prerelease of OS4. Those few who bought a linux-only board will *not* get a prerelease.

Until GGS-data (Gunne Steen) or someone else with more knowledge can set this straight.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Dec-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Vern):
> th (DSCF0027.JPG) picture shows OS4 running Voxelspace demo. The FPS is ~80.

That isn't exactly a good FPS value for a voxel demo...
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 26 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Fabio Alemagna):
imagine if it ran on linux instead. then it'd be 20 fps!

because as we all know after reading alan redhouse's wise words in this ad^H^H report, linux apps are inherently 4 times slower than amigaOS apps...

:'D

why can't the old fool just stfu, get back in his store, print up some 'made by eyetech' and 'ez' labels, and flog solderjobs built from drawings at aminet/hard/hacks like he does best?
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 27 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Dec-2003 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
"because as we all know after reading alan redhouse's wise words in this ad^H^H report, linux apps are inherently 4 times slower than amigaOS apps..."

According to Rogue, Alan was referring to one specific application, not to general performance. No doubt the video of his talk will give the contect.

If this is a commercial application that Alan can sell, it is significant.

No doubt there will be other applications that run faster on Linux.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 14-Dec-2003 12:46 GMT
This was a GREAT show report with GREAT pictures. Angus really rules! Thanks Angus!

The pictures are so jammin' I looked up the camera you used to see about getting one, but they cost $3,000.00 plus!

The trolls like mantisspider in this thread don't represent MorphOS users like me. MorphOS users will give some credit where credit is due because Bath looks to have been a well-done show. Invite Genesi next time though!

I agree with Grandma that Hyperion should go ahead and release some version of OS4 for everyone who wants it before Christmas. Life is really to short to keep hemming and hawing you know. Maybe some AmigaOne owner will, God forbid, die in a car wreck over the holidays and then he never tries OS4. And people will have time to monkey with the installation over Christmas. So do it!
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 32 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Vern):
I don't think that Voxelspace used Petunia. Because you get around 60fps on
MorphOS on a Pegasos1 G3 600 without JIT (Trance), so you might get around
80fps on a G4/G3 800MHz. So I doubt that Petunia is used in OS4.

But then maybe someone who was there can tell us if OS4 used its JIT (doubtful
regarding that voxelspace number)?
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 33 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Fabio Alemagna):
Didn´t Amithlon have some insanely high fps numbers?
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 34 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Dec-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
The full reference to "4 times Linux" is about 13 minutes into the audio posted at http://www.rycochet.com/

It refers to a specific benchmark for transaction processing time which was run for them by someone (inaudible name) at IBM.

However, I don't think the version of Linux used on the AmigaOne has the new 2.6 kernel. That might perhaps reduce the difference somewhat.

Anyway, listen for yourself. Passing the audio through a compressor makes it easier to understand.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 35 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
It's based on DaveP's report that an IBM transactional benchmark runs faster on AmigaOS 4 than on Linux. DaveP can't benchmark worth toffee, his memory benchmark results are an old ANN joke*, and therefore this result shouldn't be taken seriously unless we can get someone who knows what they're doing to reproduce it and provide an explanation.

DaveP doesn't work that far from me (I think, I'm at Highfield Campus). Perhaps I should call him and see if he's willing to show me what he did.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 36 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Dec-2003 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
If the test was run by DaveP, then it certainly should be run again by somebody who is less anxious for the Amiga to succeed.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 37 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Vern on 14-Dec-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
I find this weird.

Wasn't Petunia supposed to be ready & integrated for months?
Will OS4 Xmas-beta include Petunia?

-- Vern
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 38 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by John on 14-Dec-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Don Cox):
No one can take any benchmarks serious if they are done by a fan of the product they are benchmarking, Daves tests should be ignored by REAL peaple and praised by fans who want Amiga to win at all costs.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 39 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 14-Dec-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
> Tig, your blue bias is showing. Here we have a thread discussing
> the Bath show, and all you can think of is bringing up the Amiga
> Inc court case.

Anyone who suggests that Tigger has a "blue bias" is obviously lacking any simile of facts. Now, I'm certain that Tigger will admit to a strong "Anti-McEwen bias" however as most people do now.

If you cannot be bothered to remember this, please allow me to remind you once again; "Anti-Amiga Inc bias" does NOT automatically equate to "blue bias" (whatever that is).

> But either way, please keep all this negative bullcrap to yourself.

At this point, I honestly feel a bit sorry for McEwen on a personal level. As such, you won't see me slamming the guy, but he is now having to face the consequences of his choices and decisions. This is something that would happen to anyone who makes bad decisions.

Speaking strictly for myself, just like everything else in this community, some people (who would defend Amiga Inc against the consequences of own actions) would consider this news "negative bullcrap". Others who actually read what's going on would consider this "sad but reality".

Perhaps a thread on the Bath show isn't the place for this discussion. In that, you are probably correct, but I believe Tigger's RELEVANT thread is the fact that Barry was at Bath, openly discussing the legal situation of Amiga Inc. Tigger's point was that we ALL would rather know what "Fleecy" is saying than the fact that he was "open" about it.

Barry Moss, or any Amiga employee speaking out in his official capacity on pending federal lawsuit issues is of extreme relevance to the cases at hand, and the fact that he's talking about it openly to his flock at the Bath show establishes relevance to this thread.

Wayne
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 40 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Dec-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Vern):
"I find this weird."

I don't, but then I always expect things to _not_ work.

"Wasn't Petunia supposed to be ready & integrated for months?"

It was. Presumably it is giving problems. IIRC it took a long time to implement the JIT emulator for MorphOS too. One would expect this kind of code to be very hard to write and debug.

I am also puzzled as to why there is a need for two emulators in the final OS 4 when Amithlon needs only the JIT emulator.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 41 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 14-Dec-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
> Tig, your blue bias is showing.

While you may not like Tigger bringing this up, no way does he have a "blue bias". Neither an AmigaOne nor a Pegasos would be any use to him as, IIRC, he's mainly into running Lightwave. Keep in mind that not everyone who criticizes Amiga, Inc. management is somehow part of the "blue side" or biased toward Pegasos things. As far as I know, Tigger is not involved in any Pegasos development or use.

> Here we have a thread discussing the Bath show, and all you can think of is bringing up the Amiga Inc court case.

I believe he brought it up in the context of the impression fleecy was making in person as opposed to the impression we get from Amiga, Inc. staff in online communications.

> You must be feeling threatened by the number of AmigaOne-XEs, running OS4 BETA, present at the show, as well as the talk on the AmigaOne-XC, which is going to be one sweet little machine.

This kind of "you must feel threatened" auto-pilot response is silly enough when addressed to someone who really is a Pegasos fan. It's totally ridiculous when addressed to someone who isn't.

> It's really not our fault that the company you like so much rushed to be the first, and ended up providing an inferior product.

Uh, see above, and save the prefab editorial for a more appropriate target.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Dec-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Don Cox):
> I am also puzzled as to why there is a need for two emulators in the final OS 4
> when Amithlon needs only the JIT emulator.

Amithlon doesn't have only the JIT emulator, the JIT emulator kicks in only after a precise amount of times a particular piece of 68k cod has been executed, until then it's the interpretative emulator that emulates.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 43 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 14-Dec-2003 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne, I do not appreciate you labelling the people who turned up to the Bath show as "Fleecy's flock", it is unfair and implies that people who would turn up to such a show are incapable of independant thought.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 44 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 14-Dec-2003 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Peter Gordon):
Peter,

I'm sorry that you feel overly defensive about the use of the English language. Please allow me to elaborate:

Barry was reportedly "speaking openly about the legal situation" to groups of people. Unless he did so, on stage, which should be available by audio or transcript shortly, said people would have had to gather around him to discuss the subject. Gathering is also called "flocking".

I have participated in, or attended close to two dozen Amiga shows over the last 8 years. In my mind, the only people who would intentionally gather around Barry Moss are those who're interested in (and generally believe) anything he has to say, or those who're jockeying for favor in the belief that he has anything left to grant.

Hence, those close enough to "Fleecy" to hear him "speak openly about the legal situation at Amiga Inc" were technically part of a "flock". I don't know what he might have said, but hopefully not everyone who was interested in hearing what he has to say swallowed it without a healthy dose of skepticism.

In other words, no true insult was intended by me to any one individual who attended the show.

For the record, while I'm interested in hearing his interpretation of the current situation on a personal basis, I would simply not have been one of the people interested in hearing Barry's usual enthusiastically unrealistic opinion enough to be in his proximity. I'd rather have been in the bar drinking, and I don't even drink.

Wayne
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 45 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 14-Dec-2003 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Kronos):
@Kronos

> It's all too "swedish" for me to check that up. But I would see it as an
> mistake if he did sell boards without OS4-option as AmigaOnes, since these
> have nothing that would even remotly qualify them as Amigas.

I agree. A linux-only box (which is NOT the same as an 'Earlybird')is not an
AmigaOne, since you should, strictly speaking, not have the possibility to add
AOS4 to it later (that's what the Earlybirds are for). And reading the GGS site
it's indeed somewhat ambiguosly phrased. I suppose it's easy to let the tongue
slip and refer to it as "Amiga-one linux-only" or similar, if only out of habit
when handling such same-looking hardware. I doubt the demand of "LinuxOnes" (or
whatever) is very high anyway.
(Thinking of it, I don't know if there IS a separate brand name for the
Linux-only Teron boards distributed through Eyetech.)

This is OT, by the way ;-)
.
SlimJim
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 46 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by John on 14-Dec-2003 19:34 GMT
Instead of people attacking Tigger just tell the world what Fleecy had to say, remember they are the morons what uses shit like "So the world may know" so let them do it.

Not to worry everything is on schedule and rocking.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 47 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Fabio Alemagna):
who cares? it's more than what the eye can take
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 48 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 15-Dec-2003 04:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
>>>>
Tig, your blue bias is showing. Here we have a thread discussing the Bath show, and all you can think of is bringing up the Amiga Inc court case.
>>>
No, while reading the Bath Show report, I read a comment (which I quoted) talking about Fleecy talking about the court situation. Now I think if I was reporting about a show, and I heard Fleecy talking about the court case and how Amiga Inc was going to come out alright, I would talk about what Fleecy said, etc. Instead we have Fleecy talked about the court case comment and no info. Was I an Atari sympathizer or something when I was getting the truth when Commodore was dying?? Was I pulling for Dell when I was trying to find out about Gateway's future plans?? NO, well then why am I a Genesi supporter because I want to know what the CTO was saying about court cases that in my fairly expert opinion are going to kill Amiga Inc???

>>>>
If you prefer the Pegasos, wait until it appears in the shops and buy one of those instead. But either way, please keep all this negative bullcrap to yourself.
>>>>
If the lawsuits get brought up in a conversation (or a show report) and they say fleecy was talking about them, why is it negative to ask what he said. Just for fun lets look at this realistically, I have bought much more from Amiga Inc then virtually anyone on here, everyone who has bought less then $1000 worth of products from Amiga Inc, doesnt even need to apply. Unless you bought a bunch of SDKs (which I did, one for each of my programmers) and several party packs (which I did) you havent been near the supporter of Amiga Inc I have been financially. That despite all the money McEwen & Fleecy have cost me and all the other developers with their grand AmigaOS is dead philosophy of year 2K, that announcement was so great, sales went down 50% the next day, the show sales on Sunday were dead after Bill talked at the Banquet. Then we have all the money and worried kids we've had with the threatening letters sent to posters, moderators and webmasters of Amiga websites. Our lawyer is like family, and he has big file on the Sheeplords threats, but he isnt free, and so Amiga Inc Employees threats have cost me money, much like the hacking of websites have cost me and others money. I still stand by the belief, that when the truth comes out, everyone will realize Fleecy has been the single worst thing to happen to Amiga since the commodore days (and maybe even including the commodore days).
-Tig
PS If Fleecy (or other Amiga Inc employee) has sent you a threatening letter or email, I invite you to forward it to my email address above.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 49 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2003 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Daniel Miller):
[quote]The trolls like mantisspider in this thread don't represent MorphOS users like me. MorphOS users will give some credit where credit is due because Bath looks to have been a well-done show. Invite Genesi next time though![/quote]

@ Daniel Miller.

The bath show is part of the AmigaOs4 tour! get it.

AmigaOs4 Show on AmigaOs4 compatable Hardware.
Bath Amiga Show (13-12-03) Report : Comment 50 of 51ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 15-Dec-2003 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Tigger):
"NO, well then why am I a Genesi supporter because I want to know what the CTO was saying about court cases that in my fairly expert opinion are going to kill Amiga Inc???"

I have a hunch that it would take more than the death of the Amiga Inc company to suppress fleecy. He doesn't give up easily.
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