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[Files] New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-RECANN.lu
Posted on 13-Dec-2003 23:31 GMT by Raffaele18 comments
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Here you can find new Demo version 0.9(beta) of an interesting program: the Amiga Midi/Audio Sequencer called HD-Rec. Developers for plugins and further software for HD-REC are welcome. I forwarded these news from amiganews. Some info from the homesite of HD-REC

HD-Rec is a powerful MIDI/audio sequencer for Amiga OS. It combines comfortable MIDI notation with extensive audio editing within the same application, running always 100% synchron. To achieve this, HD-Rec takes full advantage of the AHI system for audio and the CAMD system for MIDI input and output. Features:

Very user friendly and intuitive to use

16 bit / 11.025-96.0 kHz non-destructive audio recording & editing, not limited by RAM

Audio realtime effects (reverb, delay, chorus, compressor...)

Bars&Pipes style notator for MIDI elements

Audiomaster style editor for audio elements

Uses AHI for audio and CAMD for MIDI

Powerful plugin system for MIDI/audio applications like softsynths or patcheditors

256 tracks (MIDI/audio)

Supports AIFF, WAV, MAUD, RAW, CDDA, 8SVX, MP3, MOD and MIDI files
New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-REC : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2003 22:32 GMT
Would be nice if the demo of it was acctualy available for download....
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 13-Dec-2003 22:44 GMT
I WANT THIS IN AROS!!!! IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD!

YES I KNOW I'M SHOUTING!!!
New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-REC : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 13-Dec-2003 23:02 GMT
That has to be the most beautiful gadtools GUI I've ever seen..
New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-REC : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Dec-2003 08:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
The demo seems to be "coming soon".

In the mean time, the screen shots are impressive. This is going to be a very good program, assuming it is stable and bug free.

Why is it that Amiga programmers can write a whole program single handed, while a similar PC program would need a team of 30?
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 14-Dec-2003 08:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
> Why is it that Amiga programmers can write a whole program single handed, while
> a similar PC program would need a team of 30?

I'm not sure this is about Amiga versus PC - but more likely because in one case, it's a personal project and the author wants it to succeed and look nice and work well, whereas on the other hand, for maybe 25 out of these 30, it's just "a job", and the other 5 get caught up in stupid meetings and management decisions.

(Do I sound bitter? :)
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Posted by greenboy on 14-Dec-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
Why is it that Amiga programmers can write a whole program single handed, while a similar PC program would need a team of 30?

There are a lot of people doing Windows apps with teams of one. But the companies with a "team of 30" actually have extensive websites, distribution, connection to advanced OS services, and they write, support, and update wider-ranging applications - ie the programs tend to address deeper levels of industry- or user-desired functionality.

It's a no-brainer to use Windows or Mac for professional audio and music production. We have a long way to go before any set of applications from our 'hood can attract those people, and it probably has a lot to do with the support for audio in those OSes. I figure Linux is getting closer too.

But congrats to people around here that are doing things to improve the status of our local faves. That in turn could affect other development where it is needed.
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Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
" Why is it that Amiga programmers can write a whole program single handed, while a similar PC program would need a team of 30"

And you have proof to back up this stupid nonsensical claim, right Don?

The program which is the subject of this thread does look very interesting, and from the look of it the author has done a good job.

HOWEVER, Don, I'd like you to point us to a SINGLE Amiga programmer who writes, maintains and updates a program with the exact same levels of power, complexity and functionality as Logic Audio Platinum 6, please? (Not that EMagic have a team of 30 people dedicated to that project either, but then again let's not mention that because we don't want to point out ALL the falacies in Don's spurious claim).


More power to the autor of HD-REC, but let's not get lost of the kind of rubbish Don is coming out with - his claims help no-one.
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Posted by Don Cox on 14-Dec-2003 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Christian Kemp):
"I'm not sure this is about Amiga versus PC - but more likely because in one case, it's a personal project and the author wants it to succeed and look nice and work well, whereas on the other hand, for maybe 25 out of these 30, it's just "a job", and the other 5 get caught up in stupid meetings and management decisions."

That is probably the heart of the matter.
New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-REC : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 14-Dec-2003 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
Sorry Don. But you are seriously deluded. The music applications on other platforms are far superior, and the better ones by the better companies not only enjoy distribution and third-party ties that help the users of the apps keep current, but they SET the trends.

This is NOT the fault of programmers from this 'hood; it's just that a certain threshhold has yet to be crossed that makes it easier for audio programmers to address all the needs and desires (and peripheral gear) that musicians and producers actually use, in a fashion that impresses people who've been in the industry for ages. Even hobbyist musicians want to get their hands on much more than we have ever had access to in this 'hood.

But I have to congratulate the programmer here for taking steps in the right direction! : }
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Posted by Travis Halfman on 14-Dec-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
I was delighted to learn as I was playing with HD-REC a couple weeks ago, that it's CAMD support allows me to use the built-in MIDI sounds of the SBLive! card I'm using with Amithlon. The quality of the sounds isn't that good, but it's fun to play around with!

I owned all versions of Bars&Pipes and loved the way the program operates for MIDI. The new "open source" version is getting better, but doesn't quite work properly with Amithlon (the note palettes, etc, corrupt when selected and the CAMD support doesn't use my audio card's internal sounds).

Still, it's nice to see this type of software coming back to Amiga (and working well with emulated machines).

TJH
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Posted by spot on 14-Dec-2003 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Leif):
I gotta agree. The GUI looks very nice, I like it a lot.
Allthough a lot of the icons look errm, very beta. (old uggly magicwb stuff).
But that is just a minor detail, I very much look forward to the release!
Seems to be a job very nicely done!
New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-REC : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 14-Dec-2003 16:34 GMT
A friend and myself started work about two months ago on exactly this type of program. I think I'll just Email the author of this program and suggest n AROS port instead, since it looks so cool!

I love the plugin interface.
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Posted by Raffaele on 14-Dec-2003 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Travis Halfman):
Mr Travis Halfman wrote:

>The new "open source" version is getting better,
>but doesn't quite work properly with Amithlon
>(the note palettes, etc, corrupt when selected and the
>CAMD support doesn't use my audio card's internal sounds).

Problems of B'n'P? Or problems from Amithlon...

If it is the first program creating problem you can e-mail Alfred Faust...

For the second (Amithlon), I hope someone could make a patch... someday...

Ciao,

Raffaele
New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-REC : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2003 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Don Cox):
“The demo seems to be "coming soon".”

Has been since June, as far as I can tell. On schedule and etc. Maybe in 2004 the author will finish it. Maybe he won't.

“In the mean time, the screen shots are impressive. This is going to be a very good program, assuming it is stable and bug free.”

That's some conclusion to draw from a few screen shots.

“Why is it that Amiga programmers can write a whole program single handed, while a similar PC program would need a team of 30?”

First of all I think it's unlikely that "a similar PC program would need a team of 30" and doubt you have anything to offer in support of that conjecture except spite. Secondly PC users don't want to wait 5 years for a beta of a by-now obsolete application, whereas it seems Amigans are prepared to wait indefinitely, since for them it's only a hobby anyway.
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Posted by spot on 14-Dec-2003 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Matt Parsons):
Hey Matt why don't you approach the author and offers to help?
That way we might get a better program in the end. =)
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Posted by Raffaele on 14-Dec-2003 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (spot):
Mr. Spot wrote:

>Hey Matt why don't you approach the author and offers to help?
>That way we might get a better program in the end. =)

Good idea...

...and maybe fully AROS SDK support by any AROS Developer only for him,

-the supreme maker of HD-Rec-

+ AROS installation & SDK support 24/24h on-line only for him...

and

+ (also only for him) phone help 24/24h calling your home, Oh brave dear Matt


:^)


Ciao,

Raffaele
New version 0.9 Beta of MiDi/Audiosequencer HD-REC : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 15-Dec-2003 05:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
While HD REC is a reasonably good attempt for native AOS application, it wouldn’t even threat Cakewalk Sonar XL. The 16bit audio editing is considered to be archaic for "professional" work (illustrated as an example).

It wouldn’t even use the full power of my SB Audigy2 ZS 7.1** card (i.e. capable of DVD Audio quality).
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Posted by Brent Santin on 15-Dec-2003 21:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (hammer):
Yes, 16-bit audio may not be used by the pro audio & cinema houses, which have all gone 24 bit....but lets get this program working well in 16 bit first, and then worry about 24-bit audio. I, for one, would LOVE this program even in 16-bit....let's not forget that for about TWENTY YEARS *all* professional audio was done in 16-bit....and a lot of that is still AMAZING when it comes to the final test (the consumer's ears). In fact, most people cannot tell the difference between 16 and 24 bit audio....and 16 bit audio is still being used in many home studios, semi-pro studios, and even some pro studios. C'mon, yes, 24-bit audio is great, but 16-bit audio is pretty DARN GOOD.
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