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[News] The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos IIANN.lu
Posted on 30-Dec-2003 01:26 GMT by takemehomegrandma123 comments
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"Piru" has posted some benchmark results of his Pegasos II G4 1GHz over at morphos-news.de.

For instance:

Voxelspace Demo (with and without JIT emulator):

320x240: ~500-540fps (with JIT)
320x240: ~85fps (without JIT)
640*480: ~150fps (with JIT)

More at: morphos-news.de

The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 1 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 00:31 GMT
I though they were suppost to be clocked at 1.3GHz!!!
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 2 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Dec-2003 00:36 GMT
I am sure that there will be a lot more benchmarks in various ways of every aspect of the Pegasos II (from a lot of independent sources) as soon as it gets more widely spread. It would be interested to hear a new review from os-news of the Pegasos II when MorphOS 1.5 is out!
:-)

I myself will hopefully have my first Pegasos II (I will later buy another one (a G3) and try it with OpenBSD as a silent router/server/firewall for my gigabit LAN) late this week or early next week. I will try to make some kind of tests/review of it then.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 3 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Dec-2003 00:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mr. Anonymous):
No that was a misunderstanding, it's 1 GHz.

See this too when we are at it) ...
;-)
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 4 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Dec-2003 00:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (takemehomegrandma):
(hmm, that post was corrupted in some way ...)
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 5 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 00:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
OsNews can not be seen as independent now as Genesi have adverts on there.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 6 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Dec-2003 00:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Gosh! How do you look at http://www.tomshardware.com for instance? Which of the advertizers "owns" them? There are ads everywhere, even in the computer mags that does reviews. You must have noticed, or are you living in anotherworld?
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 7 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Dec-2003 00:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
BTW, with "a lot of independent sources" I meant more like "a lot of sources that is independant of each other". When speaking about reviews, a synthesis of reviews from a lot of different sources will be a way to get a picture free of eventual bias from individual reviewers (speaking of reviews here, benchmarks are benchmarks, numbers are numbers, no bias is possible except perhaps when choosing the actual tests to run). Or am I wrong here?
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 8 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by headnut on 30-Dec-2003 01:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
ha ha, you're so funny..not.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 9 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 02:24 GMT
Has anyone done a direct comparison between various JIT engines, ie UAE-JIT, Amithlon, Trance, and Petunia side by side?
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 10 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 04:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
But there are people as Mike Bouma... ;) (he deletes all posts that could be bad for ainc & OS4)
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 11 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 04:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Indeed. All these numbers are nice but it would be nice to have something to compare with.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 12 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 05:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Maybe know what you talking about first.

MikeB Bouma does not moderate at OSNews.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 13 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 05:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Maybe know what you talking about first.

MikeB Bouma does not moderate at OSNews.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 14 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by mk on 30-Dec-2003 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (takemehomegrandma):
The G4 Prozessor of Peg2 is:

MC7447RX1000LB: 1,3V Core Voltage / 12,6W /1GHz

not the (full compatible):

MC7447RX1000NB: 1(1,1)V Core Voltage /7,5(8,3)W /1GHz
MC7447RX1300LB: 1,3V Core Voltage /?W /1,3GHz

so long Mario
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 15 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 08:50 GMT
> 320x240: ~85fps (without JIT)

There is a picture from last OS 4 Tour show where Voxelspace demo works under AmigaOS 4.0 (without JIT and with emulated graphics.library!) on A1 G4/800 MHz (or G4/933) aprox. 85 fps in 320 x 240 resoultion.

Does somebody can find this picture because I can't.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 16 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 09:07 GMT
http://www.amigaguru.com/BathShow/DSCF0027.JPG

at your service :)
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 17 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (hooligan/dcs):
Thanks. It is 80 fps on A1 but G4/800 MHz or G4/933 MHz? Somebody remember what computer it was?

Anyway. It was with 68k graphics.library, so Pegasos 2 with G4/1000 MHz, DDR RAM and MOS (native graphics.library) seems to be not faster than A1 with AmigaOS 4.0 at all.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 18 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Could be. However, this is only a screenshot of that one second.. maybe Piru has an average of a certain time or something. Also settings for the landscape generator may vary..

Interesting point you still got there though!
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 19 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 09:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (hooligan/dcs):
> Also settings for the landscape generator may vary..

I think it was running on default Voxelspace settings on Pegasos and Amiga One.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 20 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (hooligan/dcs):
Besides if it is 80 fps on A1 G4/800 MHz and 85 fps on Peg 2 G4/1000 MHz according to me A1 is much faster than Peg 2.

But as I said we should know what cpu was in this A1.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 21 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (hooligan/dcs):
Voxelspace demo A1G3SE/600Mhz - 128MB RAM
No JIT Petunia Emulation - Running Amiga OS 4

92 fps average 320x240 8bit (it never runs under 90..it changes between 100 - 90)
32 fps average 640x480 8 bit
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 22 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 09:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Well I am not arguing.

http://www.iki.fi/sintonen/pics/voxelspace_trance_peg1c.png

G3@600 .. so at least JITted speed is more than twice faster.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 23 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (hooligan/dcs):
Without JIT AmigaOS 4 is much much faster than MorphOS without JIT.
System on G4/1000 MHz should faster than system on G3/600 MHz.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 24 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 09:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Well thats how it is then
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 25 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 09:51 GMT
I SMS'd Piru to check the thread.. maybe we can have some extrainfo :D
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 26 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
Dont forget that its handycaped by the 68k gfx.lib as well.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 27 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Grzegorz Kraszewski on 30-Dec-2003 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Well, nice results, but remember Voxelspace demo has been tewaked by
Hyperion programmers to render directly to gfx board video memory,
effectively bypassing the system (and emulated graphics.library as
well). That is the reason it is so fast on A1, Pegasos version outputs
graphics via cybergraphics.library.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 28 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 30-Dec-2003 10:19 GMT
Ooohhh, it's the ArtisiaS magic feature! ;-D
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 29 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2003 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (hooligan/dcs):
Hello,

@hooligan

It's not that voxelspace program that has been used in these benchmarks here anyway. You are comparing WarpUP voxelspace with Petunia voxelspace :)

Regards
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 30 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (hooligan/dcs):
Hello,

@hooligan
Again, this is not the good voxelspace program :)

Regards
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 31 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Frodon):
Hello,

Ooops sorry, I just checked, it's the H&P one. Ok

Regards
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 32 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Frodon):
Didn't even know there were hundreds of different voxelers :)
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 33 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 10:36 GMT
äääh... again:

Didn't even know there were hundreds of different WARPUP-voxelers :)
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 34 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 30-Dec-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Dont forget that its handycaped by the 68k gfx.lib as well. In this case 68k gfx library is not much stressed. For me this is implying that OS4 has faster static emulation than MOS.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 35 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2003 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Grzegorz Kraszewski):
Hello,

@Gregor
If it's really the case, than no comparison can be made, as they are in that case they are not the same exact program.

Regards
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 36 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (hooligan/dcs):
Hello,

@hooligan
What is the configuration of the system in this screenshot?

Regards
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 37 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 30-Dec-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Frodon):
Not yet known
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 38 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2003 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (itix):
Hello,

@itix,
What's strange is that it's "anonymous" guys who give strangly high number, even contradictive with the hooligan Bath screenshot for the guy pretending he get never less than 90FPS on a G3 600MHz without JIT. Either he got JIT but he doesn't know or he's a liar :) As the screenshot from bath only show 79FPS and at the minimum it's a G3 600MHz system.

Regards
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 39 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (hooligan/dcs):
Hello,

According to what I can see on other picture, it seems to be a G4. So either 800MHz or 933MHz.

Regards
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 40 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 30-Dec-2003 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Frodon):
All anonymous posters are liars ;)
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 41 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by headnut on 30-Dec-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (itix):
itix:
It's the PBlan ppl again!!11!!
Read <A HREF="http://pulp.wrongpla.net/news/article82.html"> this!<\A>
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 42 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by headnut on 30-Dec-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (headnut):
bah!
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 43 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Strange, the last benchmark result I have of an AmigaONe G4 800MHz with OS4 and
JIT not enabled was around 30fps (320x240).

Maybe someone should tell us if JIT was enabled at the Bath Show or not (nobody
knew it back then).
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 44 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
>Voxelspace demo A1G3SE/600Mhz - 128MB RAM
>No JIT Petunia Emulation - Running Amiga OS 4
>
>92 fps average 320x240 8bit (it never runs under 90..it changes between 100 - 90)
>32 fps average 640x480 8 bit

Interesting if it's not Petunia (which I believe it is).
145fps 320x240 8 bit Petunia JIT
34 fps 320x240 8 bit no JIT

@ A1G4/933MHz OS4, Voodoo3 PCI

So, I guess Trace is faster (ATM). But who cares. How many 68k apps do you want to run ?
gfx.lib shouldn't count. I guess it's bypassed anyway (LockBitmap, and render to vmem). Petunia isn't integrated yet, though (stand alone).
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 45 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 30-Dec-2003 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
> Strange, the last benchmark result I have of an AmigaONe G4 800MHz with OS4
> and JIT not enabled was around 30fps (320x240).

Those were numbers circulating some time ago. But I remember them, too.

> Maybe someone should tell us if JIT was enabled at the Bath Show or not
> (nobody knew it back then).

Would be nice to know indeed, since the speed of this voxel-demo is quite in contrast with the actual feelings people got when running 68k programs without JIT emulation. As you can read here ( http://www.angusm.demon.co.uk/AGDB/show131203.html ) "He also accessed his e-mail in Simplemail running under 68K emulation, which he felt currently runs at a lower end 040 speed, but when JIT is applied it should increase speed dramatically."

Kind regards,
Andrea
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 46 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Andrea Maniero):
>) "He also accessed his e-mail in Simplemail running under 68K emulation,
>which he felt currently runs at a lower end 040 speed,

Simplemail is available as a OS4 ppc native version in the meantime...btw.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 47 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Klaus on 30-Dec-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
Yeah, exactly! Who needs 68k emulation anyway?!

THE FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT!!!!! 2004 we will be the year of Amiga!!!!

<ikir> I agree!!!! nice prospects :D:D:D:D:D:D

And then wait until we all learn coding tomorrow to port mozilla the day after that!!!

We are OS4 release-waiters, err OS4 alpha-testers, err OS4 beta-testers err no!! OS4 pre-release-wait-testers!! YES THAT IS WHAT WE ARE YOU BLUE TROLLS!!!

WE NEED NO JIT!! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!! 68K APPS STINK!!!!
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 48 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 30-Dec-2003 12:35 GMT
Got the following on 640*480 (PegasosG3): 124 Bilder pro Sekunde.
But got lower vales on other test tries too.

Using the PetunaTest, you got betterr results if you had say Magellan
running during testing, so I'm doubting the tools that has been used
to messure the results.
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 49 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 30-Dec-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Grzegorz Kraszewski):
And you have proof for this....where?
Oh right, this is ann.lu, why would you need to proof anything? Geesh

Cheers
The first(?) benchmarks of the Pegasos II : Comment 50 of 123ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
> So, I guess Trace is faster (ATM). But who cares.

LOL, "ATM", LOL. How long do you think they wait until they make petunia faster than trance, so they can get rid of "ATM" ? (hint: they already waited 2 years to get rid of ATM, but no success until now)

> How many 68k apps do you want to run ?

All the ones that are not developed anymore, 99% of all apps I would say. But who am I telling this?
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