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[Rant] What is up with Buck?ANN.lu
Posted on 05-Jan-2004 16:07 GMT by cheesegrate106 comments
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I read Bill Buck's 'announcement' and I got a feeling of unease, like when you eat week old salami. Obviously Buck must be feeling upset that the company he bankrolled hired killers as guards and incompetent clowns in the hope of 'amiga' cred. Unfortunatly this does not excuse his arrogance and his plain deluded statements. . Let's take a look-rant shall we.

About ANN
>The trolls have persisted and frankly it makes everyone (both sides) look bad. Just look at >the >trash that is here now -- blue, red, blue, red, etc. Crazy! There is no accountability >and there is >often a gross lack of responsibility.

Buck forgets the fact that he is as responsible for creating this environment as anyone, from posting business associates personal emails to abusing people to insane rants. I find it pretty disrespectfully that he can insult Christian's site like this when obviously he has got a lot of publicity and developers from it.

About MOS and the community
>We have a real product now. After trying to work with the "Amiga Community".
>The people that are interested in MorphOS are involved

How easily he dismisses the Amiga kkkommunity when it has served it's purpose, but he makes a fundamental mistake, he thinks that all his tireless work on ann playing peg pong has convinced all the ones that can be saved. After all marketing works all the time right? Buck conveniently forgets the hundreds of users still waiting for a morphos for their classic amigas, or the thousands of former amigas who want to run morphos on their macs or maybe their existing ppc set top boxes. Obviously the pegasos 2 has not set the world on fire, (hey it didn't even rate a mention on slashdot) and buck is sweating. Why don't amigans wanna buy his ppc machine. ? It must be all the ann trolls fault.. ! Apart from the Amigaworld lunatics most people are content to wait and see instead of rushing out and buying an underpowered ppc motherboard.

About those 'developers'
>We have over 450 registered developers on the MorphOS Developer Connection.

YES Amiga inc had 3000... Where is the software buck? Where is the Java for mos by alan havenmose? Where is news about rebol? Where is Motionstudio, according to my local reseller site in Australia it is still being developed and one of the reasons I should buy a peg. it seems that genesi are getting as bad a record as amiga inc for hyperbole.

About the value of people

>We just do not have the time to lose on people that yield limited returns and require too much >attention.
Good to see buck regards people in terms of financial returns. If you get involved in cults then don't complain about the insane. ;)

Conclusion

This shouldn't be taken the wrong way, apart from aros, morphos seems the best solution and if bplan/genesi are still around in a year or mos is released for mac then i will consider buying it, but buck really needs to shut up. The problem with managers in the amiga market clown is that they don't stay humble but go on delusional ego trips.
Computer revolution today, millions of units about to be shipped.
bankrupcy and fraud tommorow.

What is up with Buck? : Comment 51 of 106ANN.lu
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 54 of 106ANN.lu
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 55 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 05-Jan-2004 21:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (DoomMaster):
>Their whole plan was to go for bigger markets and just dump us Amiga users
>after we paid for the developement.

And you seriously think that selling a few thousand Pegasos boards would pay for years of development? The Pegasos was in development long before Genesi existed, or Bill Buck became involved.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 56 of 106ANN.lu
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 57 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jan-2004 21:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (DoomMaster):
The money they got from this market wouldn't have paid the development costs.

Cheers
What is up with Buck? : Comment 58 of 106ANN.lu
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 59 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 05-Jan-2004 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (redrumloa):
>Me personally I don't care for the politics and arguing too much anymore.
>I'll keep enjoying my Peggy, and may give OS4 a spin one day.

Me too. I've been away from the forums for a couple of months or so, and when I came back to look at ann the other day I was very surprised (and quite disappointed) to see Bill Buck's post.

ANN and AO were instrumental in increasing the publicity and popularity of Pegasos. We're all Amiga users, and for most of us, we bought a Pegasos as a replacement for our aging classic machines. To hear that the Amiga side of the Pegasos platform may be winding down, or taking a back seat, is not something we want to hear. But, at the end of the day the politics means little, and the Pegasos along with MorphOS is still a great platform, not just for ex-Amigans.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 60 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 05-Jan-2004 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (DoomMaster):
You believe Genesi actually made any money from Pegasos thus far (remember there is a difference between revenue and profit....)???

Any margin involved in selling to the target 'market' and Amiga 'community' probably wouldn't even cover the travel expenses to date supporting and sponsoring Amiga shows.....yes AMIGA shows, trying to stimulate interest and the revive the market. All they have proven (to themselves and others) is that it is commercial suicide.

If *you* really believe that the original goal (Or Amiga Inc's for that matter) was this lone cesspool remnant...I suggest psychiatric help.

P.S. Doomy....just in case *you* are in any doubt, 'market' and 'community' are in inverted commas for a reason.....because both are a joke when applied in the context of Amiga.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 61 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 05-Jan-2004 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Lando):
Actually, as long as AOS, AROS or MOS don't get a decent office suit & browser, then they are only of intrest to the amiga community, the rest of the world is moving on.

Cheers
What is up with Buck? : Comment 62 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by magnetic on 05-Jan-2004 21:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Lando):
Ok lets get some things straight

1. BBRV are very honorable people and this thread is clearly slander. The Pretory situation is not their fault. How many CEO's you know hire low level people in the company?

2. It is common in the so called security business to hire rough individuals for "security" they arent afraid to use force and are happy to be working.. although I'm sure BBRV were not aware of them being criminals

3. Bill Buck is Ex West Point and was an Officer in The US Army - VERY PRESTIGIOUS and Honorable

4. Genesi is NOT Leaving Amiga market. They cherish the Amiga market. MorphOS is the best Amiga type OS ever. And Amiga compatiblity is desired for MOS. As a matter of fact Bill wants to license OS4 for Pegasos but certain parties block it.

5. There is not enough money in the Amiga market to sustain ANY company

6. MorphOS will be continually developed whatever market Genesi goes into.

7. This whole thread is why BBRV has withdrawn from ANN and all the anonymous COWARDS and TROLLS

THe Amiga community used to be a fun vibrant community now its a mere sad shadow of its former self :(

magnetic
What is up with Buck? : Comment 63 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 05-Jan-2004 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (MIKE):
>I could put it on slashdot if you want? It's no big deal, if that would make the
>PegII release fit your definition of "setting the world on fire".

Well all that'd do is start an "Amiga is dead" flamewar from the Linux nuts there. Well, if that's our idea of "setting the world on fire" we could probably get it, if there's some other meaning to hope for I think it's hopeless. It'll take some time of preaching to the choir and developing a secure niche market for a little while and some good apps/games (not just ports from people's current platform) before anyone other than us Amiga nuts would even consider it, regardless of marketing.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 64 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by graviel slate on 05-Jan-2004 22:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mikey McEwen):
Yeah, so, uh, what's he doing in Houston, TX?
What is up with Buck? : Comment 65 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2004 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (graviel slate):
Shagging the local Amigans.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 66 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2004 22:18 GMT
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 67 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2004 22:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (HopperJF):
Awww come on buddy. It's not Eyetech's fault that you ripped your rom socket off your A1 with a paperclip when trying to change the chip now is it!? There's no need for all this bitterness...
What is up with Buck? : Comment 68 of 106ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 69 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey McEwen on 05-Jan-2004 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Anonymous):
Sweet!!!

Next you are going to be telling me that I'm Bill McEwens son.

Anyway, I know that Ben Hermans was recently visiting Mai Logic in California for business. Apparantly Mai Logic are funding OS4 development.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 70 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2004 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anonymous):
It's a shame your daddy's split on the night of your conception.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 71 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2004 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Mikey McEwen):
>>Next you are going to be telling me that I'm Bill McEwens son.

Errr... why would I do that?

>>Anyway, I know that Ben Hermans was recently visiting Mai Logic in California >>for business. Apparantly Mai Logic are funding OS4 development.

Great news for OS4. Now, care to tell us how you *know* that last comment was from Ben Hermans?
What is up with Buck? : Comment 72 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 05-Jan-2004 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (magnetic):
>THe Amiga community used to be a fun vibrant community now its a mere sad
>shadow of its former self :(
>
>magnetic

Magnetic I'm very sorry if I offended you, I agree with almost everything you said.

I was certainly not trying to put Genesi or Bill Buck down - in my opinion they're the best single thing to have happened to the Amiga in 10 years. What they have accomplished in so short a time is fantastic. I respect Bill Buck both as a person and as a businessman.
If it wasn't for the reviews I read about here and on amiga.org (both your excellent review and others) I wouldnt have been interested. That's all I was trying to say. It's my fault for not explaining myself better. Sorry again.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 73 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by The English Teacher on 05-Jan-2004 22:45 GMT
"Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: vocabulary"

LOL
What is up with Buck? : Comment 74 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 05-Jan-2004 22:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (magnetic):
"4. Genesi is NOT Leaving Amiga market. They cherish the Amiga market. MorphOS is the best Amiga type OS ever. And Amiga compatiblity is desired for MOS. As a matter of fact Bill wants to license OS4 for Pegasos but certain parties block it."

I guess Genesi will just lower their interest in this community as it is very limited in what it has to offer now?

A shame that Bill don't read here anymore, now I will never get to visit him in France as he promised me when Peg2 was released :)

Whats that about certain parties blocking the OS4 license for Pegasos2, thought Amiga inc would allow anyone to get a license?
What is up with Buck? : Comment 75 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 05-Jan-2004 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Troels E):
well I don't know anything except the math from the above posts, but it seems of Mai is now funding OS4 development, they have some pull...probably they have not desire to see a non-Mai os4.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 76 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2004 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Troels E):
>>Whats that about certain parties blocking the OS4 license for Pegasos2, thought Amiga inc would allow anyone to get a license?

I doubt that Genesi suing them for breach of contract means Amiga Inc are just going to give them a licence.

I don't think Genesi are interested in legally having OS4 on Pegasos.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 77 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 05-Jan-2004 23:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
"I don't think Genesi are interested in legally having OS4 on Pegasos."

If I understood Magnetic correct it seems they are. Maybe Mr. Buck could verify this (by email?) if he still reads the posts in here.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 78 of 106ANN.lu
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 79 of 106ANN.lu
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What is up with Buck? : Comment 80 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2004 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (magnetic):
You are not honorable by social status - only by your deeds.

We have seen time and time again how Buck has attacked people and used the very same military methods for his "business". Subtle threats of physical violence. Broken promises towards individuals. He is despicable. I hope RV isn't involved in most of the stuff he's done.

Anyway, only a coward hides behind his wife.

If only he'd leave completely Genesi might still have something to offer the community. As it is now, he is the biggest hindrance to Genesi's success.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 81 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by unit aka mesh/experience on 06-Jan-2004 02:53 GMT
God, this is all so mind-numbingly pathetic. True Amigans outraged at feeling all used and violated by that bad ol' Mr Buck?

The sooner Genesi distances itself from the sorry lot that call themselves the Amiga kommunity the better imho. I mean I wondered why BBRV even bothered giving them the time of day by replying. Personall,y I've found it to be a considerable black mark against buying a Pegasos. A truly professional company doesn't conduct itself this way.

As the saying goes, 'you lie with the pigs, you get dirty...'
What is up with Buck? : Comment 82 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2004 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (MarkTime):
> well I don't know anything except the math from the above posts, but it seems
> of Mai is now funding OS4 development, they have some pull...probably they have
> not desire to see a non-Mai os4.

Great. I should have signed Seehunds petition. He predicted this shit. Looks like AmigaOS4 is locked into Mai no matter what. Licensing scheme be damned.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 83 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 06-Jan-2004 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Amon_Re):
Don't play word games, just accept that you're BSing. You write that you don't care about MOS, but mention it or write about it in every second post. So why there is a need to write 'I don't care' ?
What is up with Buck? : Comment 84 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jan-2004 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (magnetic):
Ok lets get some things straight

1. BBRV are very honorable people and this thread is clearly slander. The Pretory situation is not their fault. How many CEO's you know hire low level people in the company?


I disagree that BBRV is "honorable", i think he's a manipulative little *beep*, but i agree that dragging the Pretory thing into every little thread pointless, leave it to the French government/courthouse to make any calls about it.

2. It is common in the so called security business to hire rough individuals for "security" they arent afraid to use force and are happy to be working.. although I'm sure BBRV were not aware of them being criminals

Wether he knew or not is not of importance, nor is the fact that some were convicted criminals, the important issue is wether or not they gave proper training to these people, and the means to do their job properly.

3. Bill Buck is Ex West Point and was an Officer in The US Army - VERY PRESTIGIOUS and Honorable

Totally irelevant, i don't care wether someone went to harvard or West point or whatever, hell, even Bush went to Harvard

4. Genesi is NOT Leaving Amiga market. They cherish the Amiga market. MorphOS is the best Amiga type OS ever. And Amiga compatiblity is desired for MOS. As a matter of fact Bill wants to license OS4 for Pegasos but certain parties block it.

Unfounded rumors, no, Genesi ain't dropping MOS (why would they drop it?), i won't debate about MOS's quality, that's a subjective matter, but saying that he tried to get a licence for AOS4 & is being blocked is bollocks

5. There is not enough money in the Amiga market to sustain ANY company </>

True

6. MorphOS will be continually developed whatever market Genesi goes into.

True aswell

7. This whole thread is why BBRV has withdrawn from ANN and all the anonymous COWARDS and TROLLS

You think so? I think he's trying to get attention & hoping the masses would follow him to those MOS related sites

THe Amiga community used to be a fun vibrant community now its a mere sad shadow of its former self :(

Fighting has always been in the community, but in the old days, we used to fight with wintel/mac & atari users :)

Cheers
What is up with Buck? : Comment 85 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jan-2004 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Mikey McEwen):
Get real, Ben Hermans didn't post that crap.

Cheers
What is up with Buck? : Comment 86 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 06-Jan-2004 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (smithy):
hey smithy

> He just m>ade these lunatics seem important by giving them a voice.
yes and the belief that he could change all their minds
What is up with Buck? : Comment 87 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 06-Jan-2004 07:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (brotheris):
Last post about this issue, if you don't believe me, fine, i couldn't care less.
I told you my motivations, that's all i can do, if you're to narrow minded to accept that, fine.

BTW, if i were BS'ing, i'd have been flooding that other thread, i wasn't.

Cheers
What is up with Buck? : Comment 88 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2004 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (magnetic):
>Bill Buck is Ex West Point and was an Officer in The US Army - VERY >PRESTIGIOUS and Honorable

Military & Intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 89 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2004 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Anonymous):
Ouch! He's breaking out with the "bumpersticker" comments!
What is up with Buck? : Comment 90 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Nowee on 06-Jan-2004 08:16 GMT
What about my cookies ?
What is up with Buck? : Comment 91 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 06-Jan-2004 08:38 GMT
INFIDEL! BE GONE!
lol
What is up with Buck? : Comment 92 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2004 08:39 GMT
Morph OS is crud
What is up with Buck? : Comment 93 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Jan-2004 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Lando):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To hear that the Amiga side of the Pegasos platform may be winding down, or taking a back seat, is not something we want to hear. But, at the end of the day the politics means little, and the Pegasos along with MorphOS is still a great platform, not just for ex-Amigans.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

No no, that's not a problem!!! The "Amiga side" of the Pegasos was just MOS, even if development of that stops/slows, Bill Buck has already seeded the development of AROS for the platform. There will always be an "Amiga side" to the Pegasos :-)
What is up with Buck? : Comment 94 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 06-Jan-2004 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Amon_Re):
Last post about this issue, if you don't believe me, fine, i couldn't care less.

You will be posting about MorphOS in one way or another, even after telling everyone 100x times you don't care about it. This time it ain't different.

BTW, if i were BS'ing, i'd have been flooding that other thread, i wasn't

You have different strategy.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 95 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Jan-2004 09:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Mikey McEwen):
"Anyway, I know that Ben Hermans was recently visiting Mai Logic in California for business. Apparently Mai Logic are funding OS4 development."

That doesn't follow. It is known that MAI are paying Hyperion for U-Boot development, including presumablt U-Boot for future board designs. That would be enough for a business visit - there is no evidence that MAI are subsidising or funding AOS 4.

It isn't impossible, but it is not a known fact. It would make more sense for them to pay for ports of Linux to their boards.
What is up with Buck? : Comment 96 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 06-Jan-2004 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
It was meant only as a little rough humour. Certainly, it was at cheesegrate's expense, but I think he's thick-skinned enough to take it.

I'll try to aim a little higher next time.

Gregg
What is up with Buck? : Comment 97 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Jan-2004 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Anonymous):
Heh, Megadeth's Hangar 18!
What is up with Buck? : Comment 98 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 06-Jan-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Megadeth's "Return To Hangar" ;-P

And Amiga's unofficial 2004 theme song: "CRUSH 'EM!" by Megadeth

-={ AMIGA OS 4.0 in '04!!! }=-

Start the presses humming. A vicious bird returns from the ashes--hungry for blood. :)

--EyeAm
"Sir, that boing ball looks suspiciously like an egg. And...it's...hatching. And, what's with all this snow? Did...hell finally freeze over?"
What is up with Buck? : Comment 99 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Jan-2004 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (EyeAm):
Return to Hangar sucks! It's a heresy to Hangar18 and Marty Friedman:-)
What is up with Buck? : Comment 100 of 106ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 06-Jan-2004 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Return to Hangar sucks! It's a heresy to Hangar18 and Marty Friedman:-)

Everything from Cryptic Writings on was terrible. Heck even though they were O-K much longer than Metallica, Megadeth has been in decline since 'For Far So Good So What?'

Umm what was the topic again? :-)
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