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Posted on 11-Jan-2004 14:28 GMT by Lukas Stehlik356 comments
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The best Amiga ever - Pegasos II G4 1GHz!
See the benchmark results on AmiGOD2 benchmark page.
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Posted by Jupp3 on 12-Jan-2004 22:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (samface):
>I know, MorphOS was released in it's early days for the classic Amiga hardware which could be an argument for MorphOS as an Amiga compatible product. However, that version required a third party hardware add-on, including an alien processor, in order to function. I could even go as far as saying that MorphOS was actually running on that third party hardware rather than the Amiga hardware, which would make that version of MorphOS Phase5 PowerUP accelerator board compatible rather than Amiga compatible.

There is flaw in that logic, let me point it out.

Amiga inc. has stated, that AmigaOS4 will only be available for "Amiga certified" hardware.

So, if it will ever be released for CSPPC (or maybe even BPPC) it has to be announced "Amiga certified".

Therefore, it's either:

1.Both MorphOS and AmigaOS run on PPC accelerators, and hardware can be called "Amiga"

or

2.B/CSPPC's won't become "Amiga certified", Hyperion & Amiga inc. break their promise, there will be no AOS4 for "classic amigas". MorphOS will be released for PPC equipped Classic Amigas, some (you) might not call the hardware "Amiga" (as it reads on motherboard), but most likely will.

So, which of those 2 choices you would consider better for EVERYONE?
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Posted by DoomMaster on 12-Jan-2004 22:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>>Prove your claim or simply shut up...

Umm you're one of the Blue people saying it's "Amiga" and to shutup Sammy!

You proved it yourself!! HAR! har!

_dOOMMASTEr_
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Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 22:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Christophe Decanini):
>I'm speaking about the hardware, not the software

HW without an OS is pretty useless i.e. remove the ROM chips (contains core section of the AmigaOS) and see IF your Amiga is still an Amiga. I'm referring to the overall package i.e. both software and hardware. AmigaForever/UAE pretty much deals with the Amiga's hardware issues.

To bad they didn’t 'Athlon’ed' the 68K Amiga (emulate on HW) i.e. Amiga world has make do with software solutions.
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Posted by -D- on 12-Jan-2004 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (hooligan/dcs):
>Gunne, if you're reading this ....

Cool, I'll email him and politely ask if he can run some AmiGOD or AmigaMARK tests on his G4 Peg I. :)
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Jan-2004 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (hammer):
Even without AmigaOS my Amiga is still an Amiga with a specific chipset etc.
My Amiga4000 runs MorphOS. It is an still an Amiga.

What is an Amiga 3000UX for you ?
For me it is an Amiga running Unix.

I have a very hard times to follow your logic.
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Posted by JoannaK on 12-Jan-2004 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Christophe Decanini):
Finding *any reasonable and sane Logic* on discussion like this is next to impossible. So it's better not even try.

IMHO it's better to accept that some people just are beoynd any real hope. This last 10-15 years have just been too much to their minds...
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 23:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Christophe Decanini):
best comment of the whole thread.

Amithlon had the same function when it was released.
The Peg II/Morph OS is the new king and will set the standard
by which the A1/OS4 will have to compete.
Each solution will have its own advantages.
Energetic (and smart) developers will do solutions for both Peg/Morph OS
and A1/OS4
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Jan-2004 23:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (JoannaK):
I understand that people say that a Pegasos, WinUAE, Amithlon and even an Amigaone are not Amigas.
What defines an Amiga ?
- The custom chipset ?
Pretty much as no other computer has this specific line of custom chipset
- The 68k cpu ?
Only partly, it is not specific to Amiga
- AmigaOS ?
Only partly as you can run AmigaOS on some other compatible (eg Draco).

So none of the new gen machine are Amigas for me.
However my take on AROS and Morphos are that they are reimplementation of AmigaOS. So even if they are not the trade marked AmigaOS they are AmigaOS clones. Any of these could have been the official new AmigaOS as they share some level of compatibility (source level for AROS) and binary (through 68k emu or powerup/warpup) for MorphOS.
I still like to distinct them by calling them by their respectivename. It is great to have alternatives and keep the interest of the users. If the Amigod author likes to call his Pegasos Amiga, so be it, there are better things to do than bashing him for that. Some people really need to open their mind and realize that this hatred will make more people on tho other side of the fence.
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Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Christophe Decanini):
>>Is there an AmigaOS 68K version of Quake II?
>Maybe, but what's the point when you can have the native version?
Note that any post-68K version comparisons are open to native AROS X86 version competition...
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Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 23:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Christophe Decanini):
>Even without AmigaOS my Amiga is still an Amiga with a specific chipset etc.
Have you removed your Amiga4000's ROM?

>What is an Amiga 3000UX for you?
Does still run AmigaOS?

>For me it is an Amiga running Unix.
Well, its bonus if the said hardware can run other OSes.

>I have a very hard times to follow your logic.
For the OS context, refer to OS/2 Warp vs Windows as examples.
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Posted by hammer on 12-Jan-2004 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (JoannaK):
I’m surprise one didn’t get the simple MS Windows vs Windows wana’be (e.g. Lindows, OS/2) examples...
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Posted by JoannaK on 13-Jan-2004 00:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Christophe Decanini):
You are askign darn difficult question.. I don't think we'll ever get only one answer to that.. I can't expect others to take my definition as 'officially and universally accepted truth', nor am I claiming to state a one. ...

IMHO In my books.. Amiga died at the collapse of Commodore. I know there have been many great archievents and innovative products since then.. But It's not been the same anymore.
(Ok.. I know some consider the day Commodore purchased Amiga the day of death, but IMHO it's pushing it a bit too far back).

I know that there were some "Amiga" companies after Commodore, but essentially they have all been just carccas eating bird-of prey. They produced nothing new (just sold old Stock of boards+ chipsets), They never managed to develop system onwards.


So.. What's Amiga and what's it not... ALL is My Opinion..

Amiga is not a Name, chipset or OS as is.. (ok. it has name, chipset and OS, but).. It's what result of many of those things. a experience.

I purchased my Amiga because is was Better system, not becuase it had Nametag on it. When I saw A1000 on -86 or -87... I Knew it was something better, something So much more adwanced that I needed to get one. It was not Cheap at that time, but it was worth every penny I spend on them.. (From first A500 to that last A3000)


In one word.. To me .. Amiga is Innovation. Amiga broke rules, pushed the envelope, shaped the future. It took competitiors decade to catch up on what Amiga 1000 started..


So.. Are these latter things Amiga in a way than A1000 was.. Not.. None of them can come even close of it when compared to original. And still.. When I now use this Pegasos 2 .. I'll consdier it Amiga enough.. It's not AS innovative as original A1000 but OTOH it has a lot of right essentials in it. I consider it viable base for future development.. As.. Amiga was never name alone (or company alone) nor even product.. It was a lot more, a highly innovative and extremely tallented developers, coders, composers etc etc..
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Posted by JoannaK on 13-Jan-2004 00:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (hammer):
Why do I get this feelign you have never own or used OS/2 ?? :)
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Jan-2004 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 209 (hammer):
Unfortunately for X86 users native applications are sparse.
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Posted by hammer on 13-Jan-2004 00:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (Christophe Decanini):
>even an Amigaone are not Amigas.

Note that Apple Macintosh(68K) is still a Apple Macintosh(PowerPC) in trems of overall market view point. AmigaOne is just a step like Apple's PowerPC equipped Macintosh in terms transition phase (i.e. 68K HW is obsolete).
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Jan-2004 00:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (hammer):
>Have you removed your Amiga4000's ROM?

No but when I use for example MorphOS they are unused to run the OS.

>>What is an Amiga 3000UX for you?
>Does still run AmigaOS?

It was not delivered with it, still it was an "Amga 3000 UX"
If I suddenly decide to run Linux68k instead of AmigaOS on an Amiga it is still an Amiga.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Jan-2004 00:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (hammer):
I don't agree.
The Amigaone loose all the Amiga specific attributes.
The PPC mac was just about migrating from 68k to PPC.
Both AmigaOS4, MorphOS, AROS projects are project to run AmigaOS or an AmigaOS reimplementation on an "alien" hardware. The AmigaOne could be a Pegasos, a mac or even a PC.

I don't say going away from the classic hardware was not a necessity but it does not suddenly transform anything running AmigaOS or an AmigaOS reimplementation in an Amiga.
This is my point of view.
Now if you want to say that your Athlon is your Amiga, if someone want to say Amigaone or Pegasos are their Amigas I can live with it.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 13-Jan-2004 00:45 GMT
Time to stop for me as obviously this is going to be an endless fruitless discussion that we will see many times more in the future :/
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Posted by hammer on 13-Jan-2004 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 213 (JoannaK):
I can give you the directory listing of the OS/2's structure if you want (IF I have the time and after re-install on VMWARE). Please recall the IBM's marketing of OS/2 during 32bit migration phase (e.g. "DOS better than DOS").

IBM has directly targeted MS Windows 3.1 users during 32bit OS migration phase. OS/2 is quite an impressive OS for the X86 HW platform during that time period (Fundamentally, Windows 95 is just a toy OS repackage with a 'massive' Win32s addon i.e. its heart is still 16bit). Odin add-on (brings Win32 compatibility) is 'nice' but MS shifts the API goal post every year (i.e. must have DirectX compatibility). There are some down side of OS/2’s DOS and Win16 compatibilities (Not a problem since I setup multiOS X86 PCs).

Linux/WINE/WINE-X(e.g. Lindows 4.0) covers the direct Windows clones atm.

PS; I still have the original IBM Model 56 user manual and its OS/2 manual(sold that PC many years ago; along with the IBM PS/2 Model 55SX (my first over clocked machine)). Also, IBM's OS/2 Warp 4.x has been included in some Australian PC Magazine Cover CDs (for that I'm happy for the free upgrade). I killed all my OS/2 Warp 4 setups at the arrival of Win2K.
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Posted by hammer on 13-Jan-2004 01:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 217 (Christophe Decanini):
>I don't agree.
>The Amigaone loose all the Amiga specific attributes.

It has no viable choice but to lose the HW banging regime. Would CBM continue Amiga's chipset beyond AAA and MC68060?

I recall, Cloanto was going to update their 'Amiga Forever' for AmigaOS 4.0...

>The PPC mac was just about migrating from 68k to PPC.

Note that 'Non-32bit clean' MacOS applications was killed off in the process.

>Both AmigaOS4, MorphOS, AROS projects are project to run AmigaOS or an >AmigaOS reimplementation on an "alien" hardware.

For MacOS's case;
- Executor is for X86 ("alien" hardware)
- Apple's MacOS (PPC Edition)is for PPC ("alien" hardware).

>The AmigaOne could be a Pegasos, a mac or even a PC.

AmigaOS has to go somewhere since 68K homeworld is practically dead on the desktop PC.

>Now if you want to say that your Athlon is your Amiga, if someone want to say >Amigaone or Pegasos are their Amigas I can live with it.
It's your right to speak your POV...
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Posted by hammer on 13-Jan-2004 02:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 216 (Christophe Decanini):
>It was not delivered with it, still it was an "Amga 3000 UX"
Does it contain the Amiga's KickStart ROM?
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Posted by hammer on 13-Jan-2004 02:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (hammer):
In http://amiga.emugaming.com/a3000ux.html

"Operating System: AMIX (Amiga UNIX) system 5 Release 4/AmigaOS 2.04"
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Posted by hammer on 13-Jan-2004 02:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (hammer):
Addendum
Refer to http://amiga.emugaming.com/adverts/unix/page3.jpg
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Posted by hammer on 13-Jan-2004 02:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (Christophe Decanini):
What about "AmigaOS 3.x applications compatible"?
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Posted by Bodie on 13-Jan-2004 04:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 224 (hammer):
hammer, you working overtime mate!
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Posted by vortexau on 13-Jan-2004 05:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Jupp3):
> You can drive your car into train or boat, that goes to point B, does that count? :-)
Perhaps, but then your car would need smash repairs, or have to be fished out of the drink! You might even be charged with Dangerous Driving! :-)
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Posted by Don Cox on 13-Jan-2004 07:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (hammer):
"It has no viable choice but to lose the HW banging regime."

That expression is absurd. All computers need hardware, and the OS and programs use that hardware. That isn't "banging", it's the way computers work.

If you change the hardware, you obviously have to adapt the software. The two are tied together.

Try removing the Southbridge and see how well a Pegasos or a PC works.
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>I'm saying that anyone can call anything he owns any name he wants, if it
>makes sense to him but NOT for commercial reasons...

Which is something I never disputed. This has nothing to do with what each individual is allowed to call his own property or not, nor did I say that noone is allowed to personally think of his Pegasos as whatever anyone would feel like calling it. This is about what the Pegasos should be refered to in public, such as this news article, and the fact that claiming that the Pegasos is the best Amiga ever is erraneous in several aspects.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Jan-2004 07:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (samface):
A matter of taste really, but I don't consider this a news-article at all. In my eyes its more of a forum-discussion. "news" usually require either an actual news-item, or in some cases, a rumour-item :)
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Posted by Jupp3 on 13-Jan-2004 08:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 219 (hammer):
>OS/2 is quite an impressive OS for the X86 HW platform during that time period (Fundamentally, Windows 95 is just a toy OS repackage with a 'massive' Win32s addon i.e. its heart is still 16bit).

Well, remember that Microsoft Windows was only "temporary solution" untill IBM got their own, better OS project ready.

Bill Gates himself stated in public, that "We strongly believe, that OS/2 is the platform of the nineties"

:-)
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 08:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Other than that, you keep saying that the Pegasos is not an Amiga...

I did not make such statement one single time in the post you replied to. Read it again, that post was about wether the Pegasos was an Amiga compatible system or not, not wether it was an Amiga labeled computer or not. I'd say you *think* I'm repeating the same thing because you fail to grasp what I'm actually saying because you *assume* that it's the same thing. Please try reading and understanding what you're reading before replying.

Furthermore, even if I have stated that the Pegasos is not an Amiga, not one single post of mine in this thread was about pointing that out as a fact. This, on the other hand, is something I am indeed repeating so please read my lips:

OF COURSE ANYONE CAN CALL THEIR PEGASOS WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE CALLING IT, NOT ONCE DID I DISPUTE THAT RIGHT IN THIS THREAD.

What may seem as repeating that the Pegasos is not an Amiga to you has been about this public statement in this news article where the author is refering to the Pegasos as the best Amiga ever. Of course the author is entitled to his opinion, but is it really appropriate to state it as a matter of fact in this news article?

Are you understanding any of this yet, or are you going to keep repeating that everyone is able to call their Pegasos whatever they feel like calling it like I would've claimed otherwise?
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Fabio Alemagna):
>In this context, Amiga is a concept, not a brand.

Amen.

Seriously, the concept you are talking about was derived from the brand as an effect of it's marketing strategy, and it wouldn't even exist if it there was no brand or a company marketing it. If I didn't know better, I would say that you've been brainwashed by a very intelligent marketing strategy of this brand. I mean, it is rather alarming that so many people have attached so many emotions to a single brand of a commercial product and I think it's time for a wake up call. After all, it is nothing but a trademark, right?
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Christophe Decanini):
You're going to have serious incompatibility issues, dude.
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Posted by Steve on 13-Jan-2004 09:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 233 (samface):
@Samface
The Pegasos with MorphOS IS an Amiga! Period! Get a new brain if you can't understand that!
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 09:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (BrianK):
>AmigaOne could be successfully argued to be compatible with software intended
>to interoperate with the original AmigaOS,

Nope, not without an emulator and/or AmigaOS4.

> it's still not compatible with
>Amiga hardware,

Of course not. It's an entirely new processor architecture, no custom chipset design, etc.

> nor is the AmigaOne capable of running any Amiga branded
>software (ie AmigaOS) natively.

Not released on the market yet != not existing. Ever heard of "AmigaOS4 on tour"? AmigaOS4 boots on the AmigaOne, which indeed makes the AmigaOne capable of running AmigaOS4.

> -- AOS3.9 runs in a Linux emulation on the
>AmigaOne and the AmigaOne cannot run any currently sold AmigaOS natively.

Currently sold, no, nor did anyone claim otherwise.

Anyway, care to explain your point with all this? I mean, are you saying that the official new Amiga hardware generation is not Amiga hardware for the same reasons as the Pegasos is not Amiga hardware? In that case, you really have mixed up what I've been trying to say here. What I explained was not the reasons for why the Pegasos is not an Amiga, it was the reasons for why the Pegasos is not an Amiga compatible. I really don't think I should have to state why the Pegasos is not an Amiga again, so please don't ask me to.
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 09:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Jupp3):
>So, if it will ever be released for CSPPC (or maybe even BPPC) it has to be
>announced "Amiga certified".

Why? They are not licensees of the Amiga IP, they are the license holder and NOT restricted by their own license. They may point at whatever they like to make it Amiga branded while a licensee may only do so if the product has been "Amiga certified". See the difference?
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Posted by pixie on 13-Jan-2004 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Matt Parsons):
they ought to exist for some reason..
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Posted by itix on 13-Jan-2004 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (samface):
heh From your comment #186: I know, MorphOS was released in it's early days for the classic Amiga hardware which could be an argument for MorphOS as an Amiga compatible product. However, that version required a third party hardware add-on, including an alien processor, in order to function. I could even go as far as saying that MorphOS was actually running on that third party hardware rather than the Amiga hardware, which would make that version of MorphOS Phase5 PowerUP accelerator board compatible rather than Amiga compatible. Is AmigaOS4 P5 PowerUp accelerator board compatible or Amiga compatible? I wonder how Amiga Inc dares to run AmigaOS on non-Amiga branded products... There isnt this "copyprotection" dongle even... Tse tse :) hmmm... so we could call AmigaOS4 for PowerUp boards runs on PowerUp branded boards only? :)
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (Steve):
>The Pegasos with MorphOS IS an Amiga! Period!

...because? I mean, do you have anything what so ever to back that up as a fact, or are you merely stating your opinion?

>Get a new brain if you can't understand that!

You give me two options for how this could be interpreted:

1. My brain is somehow defective because I don't have the same opinion about the Pegasos as you do.

2. My brain is somehow defective because I don't realize that this is a fact without anything factual nor some kind of objective reasoning to support it.

Both options are not favorable on your behalf, I'm afraid.

Oh my, I swallowed the flamebait again, didn't I? Sorry about that, I just couldn't help myself. :-P
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 238 (itix):
>so we could call AmigaOS4 for PowerUp boards runs on PowerUp branded boards
>only? :)

The PowerUP boards will always be PowerUP boards, regardless if AmigaOS4 will run on it or not. The PowerUP boards are not "Amiga certified" nor licensed to run AmigaOS4, they're simply supported by AmigaOS4 on Hyperion's/Amiga Inc.'s own initiative. Amiga Inc. and Hyperion are the license holders of AmigaOS4, not simple licensees, and is therefore not restricted by their own licensing terms. They don't have to make the PowerUP boards "Amiga certified" nor branded as Amiga hardware in order to make support for them in AmigaOS4. It's their product, trademark and IP, and they do as they please with it.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Jan-2004 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (samface):
Don't worry. If its kept as a positive thing when a girl swallows, you can too!
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Posted by itix on 13-Jan-2004 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (BrianK):
Never mind. I was trying to say there is no future for 68k systems.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 13-Jan-2004 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (samface):
> Seriously, the concept you are talking about was derived from the brand as an
> effect of it's marketing strategy, and it wouldn't even exist if it there was no
> brand or a company marketing it.

Yes, and so? What's that got to do with _anything_?
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Posted by Jupp3 on 13-Jan-2004 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (samface):
>The PowerUP boards will always be PowerUP boards, regardless if AmigaOS4 will run on it or not.

As Bill McEwen put it on 20-Aug-2003:
"License Agreement clearly states that the license for use is only valid, on Amiga branded machines. Therefore if the Amiga operating system is being used on a non-Amiga branded machine the use would be prohibited."

http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml

So, PowerUP boards _MUST_ be called Amiga, or it's illegal to run AmigaOS 4 on them.

This also means (Shock! Horror!), that MorphOS runs on Amiga branded machines!
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Jan-2004 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (DoomMaster):
Read my *FUCKING* posts... I did NOT say that it is an Amiga... I said that
it is so similar (for me) that I consider it an addition to my Amiga hardware.
That's a SUBJECTIVE view. I NEVER claimed it as a fact.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Jan-2004 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (hammer):
Actually it was an Amiga, marketed as an Amiga UNIX box by Commodore themselves.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 13-Jan-2004 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (Jupp3):
Wow man.. you're on the roll today =)
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Posted by Olegil on 13-Jan-2004 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Well, Hans-Joerg has a 1.13GHz G4 AmigaOne, his one would of course be the fastest Pegasos then :-)
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Posted by samface on 13-Jan-2004 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 243 (Fabio Alemagna):
Everything. The "Amiga concept", or whatever you want to call it, is a delusion based on a commercial product and only exists in people's minds. The trademark, on the other hand, is a reality that can't be disputed with your own subjective conception.

I'm not denying anyone the right to their own opinion here, I'm merely concluding what is real and what is not. If everyone would be able to simply seperate their opinions from factual reasoning, I'd say we would have alot less flamewars in here. You with me yet?
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Posted by Steve on 13-Jan-2004 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (samface):
@samface
"2. My brain is somehow defective because I don't realize that this is a fact without anything factual nor some kind of objective reasoning to support it."

There is factual and objective reasoning in this thread, but your brain is so much defective that it doesn't detect what is factual and objective reasonning correctly. So it miss every real objective reasonning and keep only stupid reasonning believing that it's objective where in reality is just completely stupid.

So yes your brain is defective because he doesn't know what is objective and that's why it doesn't understand things correctly and can't realise/understand why the Pegasos IS an Amiga even with the huge amount of facts and objective reasonning in this thread to prove that. Your brain is blocked on the stupid reasonning that an Amiga can only be a computer with the Amiga brand. This is how a stupid brain, lobotomized by the common society propaganda, think. Such a brain like yours can see that what really define a thing is far more than just its brand.
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