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Posted on 11-Jan-2004 14:28 GMT by Lukas Stehlik356 comments
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The best Amiga ever - Pegasos II G4 1GHz!
See the benchmark results on AmiGOD2 benchmark page.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 51 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by magnetic on 12-Jan-2004 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
UH
Last time I checked the so called "Amiga" One motherboards are made by TERON and come from Asia. The Pegasos boards are built from the ground up by German Engineers by Genesi. These engineers are the masterminds who BROUGHT PPC TO THE AMIGA - PHASE5 - without Phase 5 there would be NO AMIGA 1 or OS4 AT ALL! Remember this. Some of the best coders and minds in the former Commodore Amiga community now work for Genesi or have Pegasos boxes! These are facts.

magnetic
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 52 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Jan-2004 05:32 GMT
You guys just don't get tired of this "pegasos is/isn't an amiga" discussion?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 53 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 05:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (magnetic):
There are many ex amiga ppl working in many areas it dont make products made by them amiga.

And thts a fact of LAW.

Deal with it.

Your example is stupid because there are as huge number of products with big names that are dome exactly like that many products are made under license.

Oh no dont ever buy the cool clear looking GameCube because it made under license by Panasonic and not NINTENDO.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 54 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 12-Jan-2004 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (samface):
> "Amiga" is a trademark for a computer product owned by Amiga Inc., "Pegasos"
> is a trademark for a computer product owned by Genesi S.à.r.l. The statement
> that the Pegasos II would be the best Amiga ever is a contradiction and an
> impossibility. Unless of course, Genesi would have a license for using the
> Amiga brand, which they don't.

Or unless, of course, he doesn't care about trademarks, but rather about user experience. For him, evidently, a Pegasos+MOS is as "Amiga" as any real "Amiga", and feels much better than any other "Amiga"'s.

Shouldn't be hard to understand, but somehow I think you'll reply saying the same things over and over again.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 55 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by -D- on 12-Jan-2004 07:14 GMT
I see it like this:

I wasn't really expecting a performance difference between Peg I G3 and
Peg II G3, as far as "raw benchmarks". The old board (even crippled) was
probably more than capable of fulfilling the demands of a G3.

What I 'DID' expect was to see an end to the problems caused by the Articia...
and in this respect the goal seems to have been met (no more crappy "certified" memory, G3/G4 cards easily "swapped" with no problems, no more data corruption
etc).

Now my *guess* would be that the disparity between systems would be much more
noticeable when comparing the Peg I G4 and Peg II G4, where the improved
architecture of the Peg II should better handle increased demands brought by
the faster processor.

I would *really* like to see an AmigaMARK module from a Peg I G4 to compare
with a Peg II G4...
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 56 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Jan-2004 07:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (-D-):
>I would *really* like to see an AmigaMARK module from a Peg I G4 to compare
with a Peg II G4...


Gunne, if you're reading this ....
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 57 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Jan-2004 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (hooligan/dcs):
Hey, atleast it took some time before that was dragged up this time ;)

Cheers
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 58 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Lukas Stehlik on 12-Jan-2004 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (JoannaK):
Yes, 68k JIT is faster when you enable multitasking.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 59 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Jan-2004 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Amon_Re):
When I saw it the first time I knew it would be brought up. After nothing was said about it for awhile, I *actually* thought it would not be an issue. But then we got this one anon loudmouth .. :)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 60 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 12-Jan-2004 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (hooligan/dcs):
Well, contrary to common belief it doesn't just take one troll to create a flame fest. It needs someone to feed the trolls as well ;-)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 61 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Andy on 12-Jan-2004 09:18 GMT
Here we go again we the same old "Pegasos is not an Amiga" old argument, of course it aint an Amiga but i personally do not care of a brand name.

If something does what i need it for then i do not give a shit about a brand name, maybe you guys should get out more.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 62 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 12-Jan-2004 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (samface):
But this is not company website.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 63 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Lukas Stehlik on 12-Jan-2004 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Andy):
Yes, I agree with you.
Pegasos G3 is my new fast "Amiga".
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 64 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 09:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Andy):
>If something does what i need it for then i do not give a shit about a brand name, maybe you guys should get out more.

If you don't care about trademarks, do you also not care about copyrights? I'd love to have you as a customer. Not!
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 65 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by MOS-user on 12-Jan-2004 10:08 GMT
MOS-Jit is a external task.If you disable multitasking it is not used.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 66 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Jan-2004 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
Hmm but what has copyrights got to do with this thing at all? Hardly a violence of copyright if somebody thinks (and writes it on his homepage) that his Pegasos is the "new Amiga" for him?
You had a little flawed metaphora, imho.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 67 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 12-Jan-2004 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (MOS-user):
Disable multitasking? That sounds iffy. At what level do you enable/disable multitasking?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 68 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Andy on 12-Jan-2004 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
Trademarks? as a buyer they are irrelavent but if it rocks your boat to investigate who owns the copyrights and trademarks of items you are going to purchase then thats up to you.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 69 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 12-Jan-2004 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (magnetic):
"Last time I checked the so called "Amiga" One motherboards are made by TERON and come from Asia. The Pegasos boards are built from the ground up by German Engineers by Genesi. "

No, Teron is the name MAI use for the boards, not the name of the company that makes them.

Why would a little German company necessarily be better (or worse) at manufacturing circuit boards than a big Taiwanese company?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 70 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by TRAPOSOFT on 12-Jan-2004 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (samface):
What is amiga?

Amiga Inc?
AmigaONE?
AmigaOS?
Genesi?
Pegasos?
MorphOS?
Amiga Research Operating System (AROS)?
WinUAE?
Amiga Forever?
AmigaOS XL?
Amiga-Anywhere?
AmigaDE?
The d'AMIGA Developer Workstation?
A hardware petition?
Microsoft?
The new amiga?

I´m confused...
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 71 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Or unless, of course, he doesn't care about trademarks, but rather about user
>experience. For him, evidently, a Pegasos+MOS is as "Amiga" as any
>real "Amiga", and feels much better than any other "Amiga"'s.

I'm sorry but then I'd have to say that I don't share his view of the Amiga trademark as some form of fanatic religion or philosophy of life. The Amiga is and always has been a trademark for a computer product.

...and then people call *me* a "blind follower of the name". :-/
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 72 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Jan-2004 11:45 GMT
Amiga is state of mind =)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 73 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 12-Jan-2004 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (samface):
I wonder if it were for UAE or Amithlon, would you complain as well? Or is it just your blind hatred which is behind all this?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 74 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (itix):
True, but I fail to see the point you might have by stating this fact. I mean, is this the "Church of Amiga" where "Amiga" is no longer a trademark for a computer product but some kind of sacred cow or something? Please, there would be no such thing as the "Amiga spirit" nor the "Amiga user experience" if it wasn't for the fact that Commodore registered the name "Amiga" as the trademark for their computer product.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 75 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (TRAPOSOFT):
Amiga is a trademark owned by Amiga Inc. and as with all trademarks, it is only applied to products with the permission from the owner of the trademark. Everything else is a trademark violation. Please don't make things more complicated than they already are.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 76 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 12-Jan-2004 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (TRAPOSOFT):
Obviously, everyone who bought one of these T-shirts from Amiga Inc with the text "I Am Amiga!" is an Amiga!
:-P
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 77 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 12-Jan-2004 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (takemehomegrandma):
"I was screwed by Amiga" ? :)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 78 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Emeric SH):
Who's complaining? I'm merely pointing out the facts here. You know, I'm starting to feel a bit like Copernicus when he stated that the sun was not spinning around the earth...
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 79 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (takemehomegrandma):
But no one has recieved these t-shirts - what does that mean? That there is no Amiga? ;)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 80 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Fabio Alemagna):
>For him, evidently, a Pegasos+MOS is as "Amiga"

Sure, and for me a donkey with black and white spots is a cow (or a gateway computer)
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 81 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
AFAIK, the Amiga trademark owned by Amiga Inc. does not cover textile products. A t-shirt with the Amiga trademark on it would be merely advertising of the Amiga brand rather than an actual Amiga branded product. I'm quite sure both of you are intelligent enough to see the difference.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 82 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 12-Jan-2004 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (samface):
> Who's complaining? I'm merely pointing out the facts here. You know, I'm
> starting to feel a bit like Copernicus when he stated that the sun was not
> spinning around the earth...

Come on Samface, why do we have to go through this again, *everybody* knows that the Pegasos/MorphOS is not branded Amiga, nobody is claiming otherwise! Speaking for myself here, to me the Amiga *brand* is worthless/useless/unimportant, and the fact that the Pegasos is not branded Amiga does not stop me from *using it as* the fastest and most elegant Amiga this far. Obviously, I am only using the term "Amiga" here to describe the feeling and user experience from the *real* Amigas of the 80's and early 90's, I am not trying to put an Amiga brand sticker on the front of my Pegasos tower (because I don't have any reason to do that, read above) ...
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 83 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 12-Jan-2004 12:44 GMT
'The best Amiga ever - Pegasos II G4 1GHz'

--- Um no that'd be the Best Amiga Emulation ever. There's a difference!
--- Also I'm not sure why it's the best when Amithlon on my 2800+ beats those marks.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 84 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 12-Jan-2004 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
> But no one has recieved these t-shirts - what does that mean? That there is
> no Amiga? ;)

Well, they are probably just finalizing the different product versions now:

Amiga-XL
Amiga-L
Amiga-M
Amiga-S

So, there will be new Amigas "when it's ready"(tm), in "just another two weeks"(tm), or "in time for christmas"(tm) or "shortly after new years eve"(tm), so don't worry!

And they are probably allready planning the next generation of exciting Amiga products, the TSG2 (T-Shirt Generation 2). Rumours say that this very same product will be usable *on everyone* without modification, using the exciting "one size fits all" technology from the far-eastern inspired company Mao uniforms, just take it off and put it on another body. This upgrade from the "I Am Amiga" will be an important step towards the final goal, "Amiga Anywear".

:-P
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 85 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (takemehomegrandma):
>Amiga *brand* is worthless/useless/unimportant

The value of a brand depends on the value and the meaning of the word, which you surprisingly enough seem to be very fond of using for your Pegasos. The fact that you are using the word "Amiga" to describe a certain feeling and user experience tells me that the Amiga brand is far from worthless/useless/unimportant.

Anyway, you are of course entitled to your opinion. The only thing I'm opposing here is people stating such opinions as a matter of fact in news articles such as this. It's not even legal to associate a product with the trademark of a competing product, you know. Why people get so upset when I point this out is not very rational nor logical. Do you WANT Genesi to get in trouble for trademark violations?
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 86 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (takemehomegrandma):
Read comment #81.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 87 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 12-Jan-2004 12:53 GMT
Amithlon was officially advertised as the "The fastest Amiga ever". AmigaOSXL was advertised as "The most functional Amiga ever". (http://www.kicksoftltd.virtualempire.com/amigaosxl.html)

Here we are talking about a remark of an ordinary user, not official advertisements, announcements or statements. The easiest way to please Samface is asking some moderator to change Amiga to "Amiga". That's all.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 88 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 12-Jan-2004 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (bennymee):
>Yes, but my Pentium 4 3,4 GHZ is ~2 times as fast as my old Dual AMD 1600+ machine with DDR266 and TI4600 - in sysinfo.

My BPPC/060 A1200 has 4MHz 68040 - in sysinfo
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 89 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 12-Jan-2004 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (BrianK):
It may beat it, but it ain't going nowhere. OS3.9 is the last you gonna get emulated. If it suits you, then fine. future is in the hands of new operating system, not old one emulated.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 90 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by graviel slate on 12-Jan-2004 12:54 GMT
This whole thread is Amiguh.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 91 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Jan-2004 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (samface):
Samface, it´s getting boring. Just face the fact that noone (exept you) is interested if this a tardemark violation.

Anyone care if I call a litte tissue Kleenex or Tempo? Or Inlineskaters Rollerblades. No! So, give it a rest and do the same.

Pegasos, Amiga, whatever who the f#?k cares about that.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 92 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 13:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Emeric SH):
This was official because Haage&Partner did have Amiga Inc.'s permission for this and I believe Haage&Partner's website stated the same thing.

Furthermore, your reasoning is flawed; two wrongs doesn't make one right.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 93 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 12-Jan-2004 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (brotheris):
Brotheis --- Theoretically, MorphOS will emulate the PPC workings of AmigaOS 4.x but, we'll see if that happens or not. Right now MorphOS only emulates AOS 3.9, too.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 94 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (BrianK):
It's not emulating AmigaOS 3.9...
It's BASED on the AmigaOS API. It implements that API and all AmigaOS structures. The only emulators in MorphOS are the 68k emulators.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 95 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 12-Jan-2004 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (BrianK):
You are wrong. Tell me when you'll get important features added to your Amithlon instalation, compiler that actualy works and OS is being constantly bugfixed (last bit will never happen, unless you'll get 68k AROS modules or something). I couldn't care less of OS4 wrapper in MOS, it may happen, it may not be worthy to write single line of code for it (but time tell).
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 96 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 12-Jan-2004 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anonymous):
If noone cared, noone would reply, much less get so upset. This is obviously still a very topical issue just like there are few individuals in here that could honestly say that the word "Amiga" means nothing to them. It's of course entirely up to you wether you want to participate in this discussion or not, I'm quite sure there are other things on the internet you could read about.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 97 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (samface):
Poor little Sam... Aren't you tired yet?
Will you ever understand that nobody claims that the Pegasos is an Amiga product... They call it an Amiga because it feels like one. EVERYBODY knows
that it's really NOT one...
People call most glass cleaning products Ajax over here. Even doctors call
sticky gauze "Hansaplast" and Iodine solution "Betadine".
These are ALL trademarks and are ALL being constantly used in the same context Amiga is used right here...
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 98 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Jan-2004 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
BTW, some companies are even flattered by that use of their trademarks, as they
feel that they created the specs for an entire industry with their product...
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 99 of 356ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 12-Jan-2004 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (samface):
In this contest "the fastest Amiga" means the fastest platform to run Amiga software. Yes, it could be WinUAE or Pegasos or AmigaOne or maybe Amiga branded pocket calculator. This website is not telling what is real Amiga. It just benchmarks various platforms.
Pegasos II G4 1GHz benchmarks! : Comment 100 of 356ANN.lu
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