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"Wired News has the 2003 Vaporware Awards available for your perusal. Winning the 9th place: Amiga OS 4.0 (Amiga)!"
Free publicity! :D
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| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 16:50 GMT | | I'm sure OS4 can get the first place next year, thx Amiga Inc/Hyperion/Eyetch, we had a lot of fun this year :-) |
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| Posted by Gregg on 20-Jan-2004 16:51 GMT | Uh ohh, Nate - you're in for it now...
Gregg |
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| Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 20-Jan-2004 16:56 GMT | Now I know who Nate Downs is. For goodness sakes... :roll eyes:
IMO they should have at least put up a link to www.amiga.com to let readers see the new OS4 with their own eyes. |
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| Posted by Fredrik on 20-Jan-2004 17:15 GMT | So Nate Downes and other MOS people are teaming up against the amiga!
Don't you MOS people have confidence in the platform that you have chosen? |
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| Posted by What else is new... on 20-Jan-2004 17:15 GMT | Well at least were consistant.
<in a really bad french accent>
Oh no.. We suck again. |
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| Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 17:19 GMT | | Oh, and a precious quote from our favorite extreme blue troll and Genesi employee. |
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| Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 17:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 4 (Fredrik):
Of course not, Their shop is sinking too. |
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| Posted by Eva on 20-Jan-2004 17:23 GMT | AMigaOs4 a vapour OS ?
Oh my God! It's time for a lot of Amigainc and Hyperion friends to start to cry on Wired forums and mails.
How can be called vapour a product "That we'll be released in 2 months (NOVEMBER 2001)"?
I thought that it was only a Eva (me) idea.
But, guess what, one of the most important Tech Magazine granted Aos4 in this Topten (not Eva, my dear trolls).
And this happened also when Amiga (and all related stuff) is considered a dead rotten corpse.
Prolly, if some Wired editor readed a bit of Aos4 story during those 3 years on ANN or AmigaOrg, Amigaos4 wloud be second only behind Longhorn. |
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| Posted by Gregg on 20-Jan-2004 17:26 GMT | That's it, Red Team - keep 'em coming.
Remember : If you shoot the messenger, the message will die.
No, really, it's true.
Would I lie to you?
Gregg
P.S. There is poetry there, but I'm not sure where. |
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| Posted by itix on 20-Jan-2004 17:27 GMT | | Heh, quite funny they quoted the comment of Nate Downes. But that doesnt change the fact AmigaOS 4 slipped last year and is vapourware for the public audience. In the big world customers do not care how many years you waited for, how many years it is after Commodore's demises, what kind of problem there were... |
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| Posted by Graham_nli on 20-Jan-2004 17:38 GMT | | 'tis the kind of petty comment I have come to expect from Genesi (and the large list of dead companies they used to be ...) employees. How sad. |
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| Posted by Gregg on 20-Jan-2004 17:41 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (itix):
Don't worry - this sort of troll-bait is absolutely not allowed on amigaworld.net. The obvious misrepresentation of the magazine article will soon be removed, or at least re-worded, by the moderators to maintain the tone of the site, and allow a constructive discussion of why AOS4 has not yet been delivered.
Gregg |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 17:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Just a simple Question, was OS 4.0 released in 2003? No? So it was Vapour again in 2003? Right? |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 17:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Gregg):
Gregg cracks me up :D |
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| Posted by Alex Klauke on 20-Jan-2004 17:46 GMT | When history repeats itself this must mean that AmigaOS is to be released soon,
just as the AmigaOne was after the 9th place last year ;-) (of course we already
knew that did we?) Next year it has to be AmigaDE on the no. 9 spot then...
That it was a Genesi engineer pointing it out, well, does not matter, only
06/2001 - 01/2004 = 4 yrs, what a math is that? Trapped of a time warp? People
must be wondering at reading that :)
(apart from that OS4 in Jun 01 meant AmigaOne1200/4000, never released, both.
Hyperion only started OS4 for SE/XE in Nov 2001, it'd be only fair not to merge
those. But of course, the 'fog of history', time blurs the facts. Nitpicking
yes, but that's just the same currency that is used vs. AmigaInc./Hyperion/
Eyetech all the time).
Oh, btw, when compared to the AmigaOne whose Earlyb[i|oa]rd offer was started in
Nov 02 and delivery in Dec 02, the Peg II would have nicely qualified for this
years list too, if only it'd be on the radar of Wired.com. Amiga surely is. :)
Ciao, Alex
ps: Just to make it clear: Nothing vs. Genesi, I might even get a Peg III once
it's ready (whatever is the first to support PPC9xx, AmigaOne or Peg ;-) only
I am a 15 yrs.+ AmigaOS user so my preferences for the main system are clear
when the OS is still/again alive, as AmigaOS4.x is for sure ;-)
pps: I'd also like MorphOS on the AmigaOne, w/o reflashing the ROM of course. :) |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 17:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Eva):
To be on par of Duke Nukem For ever, Half-Life 2, Doom 3 is quite an honourable thing, even because it's an almost shure thing they will come out.
If you think that either of those are piece of crap because they are 'so vapour', well think again, because these are set to break new boundaries, hope the same is to be said about AOS4.
Ps- are you taking english lessons, you seem to write better now... :/ |
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| Posted by Graham_nli on 20-Jan-2004 17:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
It's an OS! I don't see many OSs being delivered on time these days, delays seem to take years. Sadly it was the tone of Nate Downes comment that is the issue, basically Wired will look silly when OS4 is released in a month or two when their comment makes it look like it will never be released... |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 17:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Eva):
Where's Longhorn on that list, babe? |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 17:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Graham_nli):
The thing is, it was PAID for by many users 2+ YEARS ago. |
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| Posted by itix on 20-Jan-2004 17:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Graham_nli):
You should blame wired.com for that. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 17:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Graham_nli):
2 more weeks :-) |
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| Posted by Eva on 20-Jan-2004 18:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (pixie):
LOL Pixie, they are ALL games!
Is A0S4 a game, too? A Fallout3 variant? |
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| Posted by Big Red Troll on 20-Jan-2004 18:12 GMT | Well methinks wired.com are going to be eating their words in a few weeks when the beta is released, but then what do I know? I do know that it's not exactly surprising to see Nate Downes dissing OS4. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but we all know that OS4 has been in closed Beta testing for a while now, and isn't just a "pre-alpha". So really, Nate hasn't just been an idiot - he's been an inaccurate idiot. Isn't that known as trolling?
Secondly, it's amusing to see the usual clowns get in a dig at the expense of amigaworld.net - although I have to admit I wasn't expecting it from itix. Besides which, Gregg, there's nothing particularly inflammable in that thread. But you already knew that, and decided it was time for the usual "amigaworld.net" bitching thread I suppose. It's amusing to see that even though ANN has officialy banned any mention of amigaworld.net, people still link to threads on that site to cause trouble.
Isn't it time you all got over their moderation policy if you don't like it. These threads are getting pretty tiresome IMO. At least keep it to the bunny. anyway. |
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| Posted by BrianK on 20-Jan-2004 18:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Eva):
Eva,
Longhorn isn't coming until 2005/2006 so until that time passes it can't be vaporware. |
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| Posted by Eva on 20-Jan-2004 18:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (pixie):
It's a shame that LongHorn was not in the game. To me it's the first without NO competitor. |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 18:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (Eva):
Weren't they considered vapor? That's what I was talking about, they are on par on that list, because, you're right, it's a vapor list...
You believe them will have a better chance to came out just because they are games?!??? You are talking as if it was just a small thing to accomplish, to make such games as those... |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 18:27 GMT | | What I found really odd was that this year wasn't even estipulated a release date, the closest thing the brothers had said was 'when it's done(tm). A bit like Longhorn can't be called vapor because it isn't planned for this year... |
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| Posted by itix on 20-Jan-2004 18:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Big Red Troll):
Sorry my friend, but Nate is not one to blame for an award. Being an employee of a rival company makes his comment look very harsh but I think it was an editorial decision. |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 18:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (Matt Parsons):
No big deal there, not compared with the flames we get here on ann... for far less, might I add. |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 18:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (itix):
I just think he was a bit unfortunate to be choosen. |
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| Posted by Big Red Troll on 20-Jan-2004 18:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 30 (itix):
You misunderstand me.
I'm not blaming Nate for OS4 receiving the award - far from it, OS4 isn't out yet, and therefore could be classified as vapour according to Wired (along with MorphOS so it seems). However, Nate Downes' comments are simply bare-faced lies. If he had said something along the lines of "still not released, but is in beta" (as is the case) I'm sure nobody would have complained.
It's funny though. People diss some of the people on aw.net (or the entire website so it seems) for having a go at Nate, but who remembers what happened when Mike B said something negative towards MorphOS that certain people considered to be lies? |
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| Posted by Big Red Troll on 20-Jan-2004 18:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (Big Red Troll):
And he didn't even work for a competitior... |
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| Posted by MIKE on 20-Jan-2004 18:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 34 (Big Red Troll):
It's not a lie, OS4 is VAPOR, there is no doubt about that. It was first promised 4 years ago (Dec 2000), it's not here yet. MorphOS I believe was released in 2001, so it wouldn't make the Vapor list. |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Jan-2004 18:56 GMT | | Why the hell is everybody after Downix.. it's like.. people think it was his fault only that OS4 ended up on that list. |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 18:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (MIKE):
As in previous years, software in a never-ending, pre-release, beta-testing stage is considered vaporware, even if it's widely available. It hasn't shipped until it's shrink-wrapped.
Likewise hardware. Prototypes may exist in some company's lab, but it's vaporware until it hits store shelves. |
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| Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2004 19:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (hooligan/dcs):
People choose which whose words they speak, it can be said the same thing in different ways, what people is arguing is the way it was said, half-truth mixed truth, doesn't make truth any bigger, on the contrary... |
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| Posted by JoannaK on 20-Jan-2004 19:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (hooligan/dcs):
Somehow they keep on forgetting that OS4 was on that same list Year ago.. And thus it's place on list seems to be justified.. It was vapor on 2002 and so far I have seen nothing that would have changed the situation. |
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| Posted by Big Red Troll on 20-Jan-2004 19:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (hooligan/dcs):
Where has anyone said it's Nate's fault OS4 is on the list?
I think most people are pissed off with his conduct, not whether os4 makes it onto a vapour list or not.
It at least shows people are still thinking about/are interested in os4 outside of this community. |
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| Posted by Gregg on 20-Jan-2004 19:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 35 (Big Red Troll):
Hey, Big Red Troll, you're dammy's current foil on Moo Bunny, aren'tcha?
I'm going to have a go at explaining a few things for you, though I really should know better :
> Besides which, Gregg, there's nothing particularly inflammable in that thread.
The thread title inevitably drives the thread to a discussion of the virtues (or lack thereof) of Nate Downes; how is this not trolling? Don't agree with me? Just read the thread.
> who remembers what happened when Mike B said something negative towards
> MorphOS that certain people considered to be lies?
The comparison is so contrived that I'm surprised you even thought of it. Mike repeated a highly contentious, probably libellous accusation in the context of a product review; Wired independently voted AOS4 vapour, and for colour quoted Nate's summary of the state of AOS4 which was inaccurate in the details but fundamentally correct in the status.
Nate certainly can talk through his arse, and it's perfectly valid to criticse him for that; but we all know what this kerfuffle is really about - the inability of certain people to accept that AOS4 was promised for delivery in 2003 numerous times, and was not delivered.
People who have a problem accepting reality are rarely worth the effort of intelligent conversation; are you going to prove me wrong?
Gregg |
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| Posted by Kjetil on 20-Jan-2004 19:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Happy you made a link to that image, you know the initial idea where to make a MorphOS clone or even use it, push new hardware and make an emulator or some thing, so the development can continue on PPC, I think Tendic-France or bplan where the contracted for the hardware, what a waste of time, they should never have trussed this idiots, I think there where tow or tree reversions of the AmigaOne accelerator card be fore the hole idea where drooped all to getter, software development never really started due to no hardware.
The beta product you Se to day The AmigaOne XE/SE is developed by MAI, the AmigaOS4.0 is an OS not an hosted emulator like some of the other products out there.
and as you know the current product have bin inn development for tow years now, so the argument is at best false,
Yes I have bin wating from 1992 until now for new Amiga, that makes 11 years of waiting, there are 360 days inn year, tow months are 56 days,
56 days over schedule * 100 percent / (360 days i a year * 11 years) = 1.4 percent extra waiting,
I think that is nothing compared whit the 98.6 percentage I have waited already, we are almost there.
:D
One moew thing AmigaInc have bin alive sines what 1999? until now 2004 that make it 5 year,
that make them one of the longest living Amiga Companies after commodore using the Amiga brand name,
can you believe it? |
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| Posted by Big Red Troll on 20-Jan-2004 19:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (MIKE):
No.
It's widely known that MorphOS is still in beta. According to wired.com, this defines vapourware. |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Jan-2004 19:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (Big Red Troll):
Well thats the impression I got by reading the related threads here, at a.org and aw.net |
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| Posted by Big Red Troll on 20-Jan-2004 19:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (Gregg):
Dear Gregg,
>>Hey, Big Red Troll, you're dammy's current foil on Moo Bunny, aren'tcha?
Really, you flatter me.
>>I'm going to have a go at explaining a few things for you, though I really >>should know better :
>> Besides which, Gregg, there's nothing particularly inflammable in that thread.
>>The thread title inevitably drives the thread to a discussion of the virtues >>(or lack thereof) of Nate Downes; how is this not trolling? Don't agree with >>me? Just read the thread.
Well, Nate Downes did label OS4 vapourware, so technically there is nothing wrong with the title of the thread. However, I agree it makes it seem like Nate Downes was the entire cause of the Wired article. My original point about there being nothing flammable in the thread stands, however. Nate Downes DID label OS4 vapourware. Surely, you can't say that is trolling?
>> who remembers what happened when Mike B said something negative towards
>> MorphOS that certain people considered to be lies?
>The comparison is so contrived that I'm surprised you even thought of it. Mike >repeated a highly contentious, probably libellous accusation in the context of >a product review; Wired independently voted AOS4 vapour, and for colour quoted >Nate's summary of the state of AOS4 which was inaccurate in the details but >fundamentally correct in the status.
Agreed, it was a contrived comparison. But the fact is, both parties were telling half-truths about a "rival" (""s for MikeB's benefit) product. Or is this not so?
>Nate certainly can talk through his arse, and it's perfectly valid to criticse >him for that; but we all know what this kerfuffle is really about the
>inability of certain people to accept that AOS4 was promised for delivery in >2003 numerous times, and was not delivered.
Who said this? I haven't got a problem with OS4 being on the vapour list, it's just typical to see the usual from Nate.
>People who have a problem accepting reality are rarely worth the effort of >intelligent conversation; are you going to prove me wrong?
Well you'll have to keep your side of the bargain and start with the intelligent conversation. |
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| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Jan-2004 19:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 45 (hooligan/dcs):
Wonder what he reception there would have been if the the quote would have came from John Smith. Would people be busting John's balls aswell :) |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 20-Jan-2004 19:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 41 (Big Red Troll):
> I think most people are pissed off with his conduct, not whether os4 makes it onto a vapour list or not.
What conduct?
> It at least shows people are still thinking about/are interested in os4 outside of this community.
Yea, they think it's vapor |
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| Posted by z5 on 20-Jan-2004 19:27 GMT | Something is puzzling my mind. What exactly is the difference between a closed beta OS (OS4) and an open beta OS (MorphOS) as far as vapourware is concerned? I mean, it is public knowledge that MorpOS is in beta, as has been agreed on by users and staff of Genesi. Ofcourse, one can juggle with what is beta or not... but if the OS is not ready for normal users but only for geeks, then i think we are walking a very thin line here, very close to beta.
Hmm...seems a bit dodgy to me. Oh well... not really worth discussing about. Answering to such obvious trolling efforts is so boring and a waste of time. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 20-Jan-2004 19:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (Kjetil):
Wrong... Escena was contracted for the hardware and NEVER finished it.
bPlan started developing the Pegasos, a zico compliant mainboard and Amiga Inc.
announced them as producers of another AmigaOne board.
These *ARE* facts, unlike your b*llsh*t... |
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