[Rant] Hostage Negotiation | ANN.lu |
Posted on 27-Jan-2004 02:07 GMT by Greg Ford | 260 comments View flat View list |
There are a group of people, at Amiga Inc, who have decided that their personal reasons
are more important than the interests of the company, employees, investors, the customers,
and even potential customers, and have ceased any and all effort to involve themselves in
anything at all that doesn't directly relate to these personal reasons, even if it means
earning an income against it's current mountain of debts. Amiga is being held hostage, and someone's looking to do something about it.
The only people that were in any position to remedy this situation were a group of investors who had already lost fortunes in Amiga Inc, and were asked for more money. They were concerned over the money already invested, but told that unless they invested more, they'd never see any returns on these investments ever. The investors didn't like this at all, they felt, exactly like
I said, that the small group of people at Amiga Inc, were literally holding Amiga hostage for more money. They did the only thing they could do, they hired Garry Hare to try to restart the
company and salvage something for the investors who had already invested large amounts of capital into the failed company.
The problem was, those few at Amiga quickly realised that this was an attempt to get around Amiga Inc's demands for more investment capital, and completely refused to cooporate with Garry Hare, and
even going so far as to publicly obfuscate to it's customers Garry's position in the failing company. Garry was instrumental in generating dozens of potentially profitable leads in his three month project that he spent representimg Amiga Inc at tradeshows and technology conferences. Many business contacts and developers became interested and attempted to follow up on these leads, only to be shunned by Amiga Inc who was making it very clear to the investors that they will not be subverted in this way. Either they would invest more capital like Amiga Inc demanded, or Amiga Inc would literally sit on their hands at Amiga Inc and do absolutely nothing, ensuring that the investors money would not produce any potential profits at all, and keeping Amiga Inc in a nonproductive stasis untill such a time when the investors will finally cave in to their demands and give them the investment capital.
To this day Amiga Inc. and the investors are still locked in a standoff, and it appears that neither will give in to the other. The investors are still looking for a way to controll the damage, to get at least a little back from their investment or even wrestle controll as to lead Amiga into promoting it's current technology, while Amiga Inc refuse to both (1) go bankrupt, instead hoping the investors will cave in to Amiga Inc's demands, or (2) try to generate an income, they will not do this as this would be giving in to the investors, who they want more money from.
There is no right or wrong being implied here, but the fact remains nothing will change untill someone gives in. It's quite apparent Amiga Inc believes that it will be the investors who will give in, as they speak quite publically about expecting the next round of funding to be recieved any day now. However I don't know if Amiga Inc realise that, as we speak, the leads that have been generated in spite of Amiga Inc's steadfast resolve to hold out against the investors are being contacted for information about the way in which
Amiga Inc has shunned them when they tried to follow up on these leads. I myself have been contacted although I couldn't offer them anything other than telling them Amiga Inc simply refused to follow up on inqueries I've sent them.
All I could gather from these people is that they are determined to do something about the situation. Unfortunately
I couldn't offer them much. It would be in my own interests as well for this to be resolved one way or the other as
my own plans are in stasis untill something happens as well. Someone has to give. Seeing as how I can't help them much
in any way, I'd like to hear from others who might have information that might help the investors in making their case
that Amiga Inc is intentionally keeping the company in stasis. I'm not sure if they are preparing legal action or whatever,
but to be on the safe side, if you could refrain from posting the details, and instead contact me and I'll give you
instructions on contacting the interested parties.
You can contact me at GregFordEmbedded@hotmail.com, and we can start from there. Thank you for your time.
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Posted by pixie on 27-Jan-2004 11:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Bodie_CI5): I wonder when the members from the amiga apologists central website (aw.net) is going to chirp in and defend their hero company .
We'll after all... we're in a free world aren't we? Everyone has their beliefs, I bet anytime soon we'll also see the blue brigade jumpin on this thread too, nothing new really |
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Posted by Greg Ford on 27-Jan-2004 11:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 47 (Damien Naviliat): Ok if you are searching for informations, clearly explain what you are waiting before orienting your request "against amiga way to do".
I'm not sure what you mean?
If your investors are wise enough, they will join Amiga Inc directly and not base their choice on rumors spread via ann.lu.
(I must really be screwing this up.)
They arn't my investors, these are investors who've already invested in Amiga Inc. Of course they arn't getting their information from ann.lu, they (well, me for them) are using this ann.lu post to try to get information
If you pass this "investor" informations spead on ann.lu (and specially those on those last two years) you have all chances to be far away from the truth, even if you're shure you're in.
Please read the post a few posts above that describe what I am, and what I'm not, looking for. I'm looking for very specific situations.
Am I totally screwing this up? Does anyone understand what this is about?
A course in Communication wouldn't hurt me I suppose.
You person don't seems credible,
The investors?
since you way to ask isn't credible. So even if your quest is truth I'm afaraid you will not have correct feedback.
I'm not sure what you mean. Yea, I think I screwed the pooch with the initial post. Should have prepared a rough draft rather than doing this by the seat of my pants.
Anyway, if anyone out there manage to understand my apparently discomobobulated and poorly decribed request, give me a holler. |
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Posted by Olegil on 27-Jan-2004 11:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (Greg Ford): Well, that post certainly looked like you've got some skills in communication :-)
I must say I chuckled a bit when I saw the "(jesus)" bit. I mean, is Jesus really trying to make Amiga Inc fail? ;-) |
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jan-2004 11:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Olegil): Roflmao!!! Hey Billsey! Check it out! :D:D:D |
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Posted by Don Cox on 27-Jan-2004 11:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (Greg Ford): "Am I totally screwing this up? Does anyone understand what this is about?
A course in Communication wouldn't hurt me I suppose."
I think what you are asking is perfectly clear.
It corresponds to the complaint I have heard about Amiga Inc from the beginning - that they are impossible to do business with, don't answer emails or letters, make unreasonable demands, etc. Whether this is incompetence or an actual wish to not do any business I don't know.
Sorry, I don't have first hand experience. |
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Jan-2004 11:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 53 (Olegil): >I mean, is Jesus really trying to make Amiga Inc fail? ;-)
Five bucks even he cant bring it down |
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 27-Jan-2004 11:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Mikey C): > That's really poor, again some plonker having nothing better to do than post as
> a respected amigaworld member.
LOL, here he comes :-) |
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Posted by anon on 27-Jan-2004 11:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Mikey C): > That's really poor, again some plonker having nothing better to do than post
> as a respected amigaworld member.
> No it isn't Bodie_CI5, Wrong IP altogether.
> Pathetic.
> Mikey C
Is this news to anyone? Red or Blue? I think even Eva recognised that was an imposter (And do you really think it was the wrong IP that was the clincher?) :-) |
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Posted by Aled Jones on 27-Jan-2004 12:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Mikey C): It would not surprise me one bit if it was you acting the wanker, you are clearly the type. |
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Jan-2004 12:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 59 (Aled Jones): Can you give some points how to recognise masturbating people at forums? |
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Posted by samface on 27-Jan-2004 12:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (Greg Ford): In other words; you're admitting that you're theory is just that, a theory, and now you're asking for help to proove this theory, right? I mean, if you would know this "investment hostage situation" as a fact, you wouldn't need help to proove it to begin with, right?
This is not a part of any political agenda or anything, I'm merely trying to seperate the speculations from the facts. I mean, this theory has caused enough speculations as it is, and I think bringing some form of objectivity in the matter wouldn't hurt, you know. |
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Posted by anon on 27-Jan-2004 12:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Mikey C): > as a respected amigaworld member
How do you know the imposter wasn't trying to pass himself off as the respected Amiga.org member? :-) |
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Posted by Greg Ford on 27-Jan-2004 12:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (samface): In other words; you're admitting that you're theory is just that, a theory,
It's not my theory. This is what the investors told me they know is going on. They contacted me and wanted to know if my expierence supported their claim. (The preceeding happened in reverse order, actually) Unfortunately it doesn't. (not enough anyway) but I agreed to find others who might have more information, being in the same situation I was in.
and now you're asking for help to proove this theory, right?
Actually, I'm just looking for leads. It's the investors who presumably want this information to prove something to someone. The information is only valuable to me because it's worth something to them, if you catch my drift. This information is also worth something to those who are in the described situation.
I mean, if you would know this "investment hostage situation" as a fact, you wouldn't need help to proove it to begin with, right?
I really not being asked to prove anything, like I said, I just need the leads, not even necessarily the information itself. I'll let the interested party worry about that, the leads themselves however, are valuable to me.
This is not a part of any political agenda or anything, I'm merely trying to seperate the speculations from the facts.
Hmmm... there are no facts. There's a group of people interested in information relating to something they know is happening. Surely you've seen those ambulance-chasing lawyer commercials on TV where a lawyer comes on with a sneaky smile and says "So and so has caused X number of deaths, if you've been injured by so and so call us, we can help. " Now think of the investors as the law firm, and I'm the commercial. Alright, not a very fitting analogy, as I'm not in party with the investors (in fact I'm part of the audience as well as the commercial) but close enough, Well actually that's a really bad analogy, but you get the point.
I mean, this theory has caused enough speculations as it is, and I think bringing some form of objectivity in the matter wouldn't hurt, you know.
It's black and white. If you are in the situation I described before, you have information worth something to someone. If you're not in the situation described before, maybe just ignore it, or pass the news on that someone is looking for those that have been in the position described, as it might be worth something to them. |
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Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jan-2004 12:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (Mikey C): @ MikeyC
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I think it's disturbing that you keep records of individuals IP's and follow it up this way. An intrusion on personal integrity and in some countries this is even not allowed from a judical point of view. Thank god for anonymous proxies! |
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Posted by ghauber on 27-Jan-2004 13:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (Greg Ford): Hi Greg,
I'm intrigued by your questing (or, rather, that of the investor who asked you about this). I understand why they would ask such a thing, but, wouldn't it be prudent, if they wanted to get a real picture of what might be going on, to *also* look around to see if there are people whom have contacted Amiga *and* received positive replies?
Not sure if I'm making myself clear here (it's so easy to be misunderstood in a forum such as this), but it seems to me that if this investor is only seeking evidence that supports his theory, rather than evidence that may support or contradict his theory, then he'll naturally prove his theory to himself, i.e. if he assumes what he sets out to prove, and then only admits evidence that supports his assumptions, then he'll "prove" his assumptions.
Anyway, something to think about. |
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 27-Jan-2004 13:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (samface): > In other words; you're admitting that you're theory is just that, a theory, and > now you're asking for help to proove this theory, right?
Oh, darn, for a moment you almost made sense, Sammy, to the point that I agreed with you, but now you're back to your usual nonsense... what a shame :-( |
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Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Jan-2004 13:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (Greg Ford): You have been very clear all along. You are looking for evidence that AInc. is deliberately trying to avoid doing business with outside parties.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Jan-2004 13:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 52 (Greg Ford): Just a further point to all of this. If AInc. are trying to avoid doing business with external parties then why allow OS4 to be developed? They were also very keen to support 'Amiga on x86' one particular November which I believe was going to be Amithlon? The details is not really relevant - what is relevant is that they WERE keen to do business at that point in time.
Is it because these projects were started quite some time ago now when their financial situation was not as grave as it would appear to be today?
Sorry that I nothing that can help you directly Greg - I'm just interested!
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Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Jan-2004 13:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Sam Smith): That should read: 'Sorry that I HAVE nothing...' ;)
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Posted by Mikey C on 27-Jan-2004 13:40 GMT | In reply to Comment 59 (Aled Jones): >It would not surprise me one bit if it was you acting the wanker, you are clearly the type.
That's strong coming from someone who passes himself off as a welsh choir boy. What's the matter? Run out of sheep to impregnate?
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Posted by Mikey C on 27-Jan-2004 13:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous): Hey someone was slurring a friend of mine, I decided to act on his behalf.
At least I have some friends.
Mikey C |
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Posted by samface on 27-Jan-2004 13:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (Greg Ford): Oh, so it's not even your own theory, just something someone told you...
No, I'm not a candidate for your quest for "leads" and I'd say most people in here already got that part by now. I was talking about this theory about Amiga Inc. beeing used by certain individuals as "hostage" for more investments. You talk about it as a matter of course when there obviously is nothing what so ever to back it up at this point. Please, for the sake of objectivity, just accept the fact that this is so far just a theory which someone, whoever it is, has yet to proove. |
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Posted by itix on 27-Jan-2004 13:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Sam Smith): But, who said OS4 is profitable for Amiga Inc? No one. |
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Posted by samface on 27-Jan-2004 13:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 66 (Fabio Alemagna): Dito. :-P |
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Posted by samface on 27-Jan-2004 13:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Sam Smith): Nice summary. I'd say Greg would have made things alot easier for himself if he simply put it that way right from the start. |
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Posted by Lando on 27-Jan-2004 13:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (Sam Smith): >Just a further point to all of this. If AInc. are trying to avoid doing
>business with external parties then why allow OS4 to be developed?
Because OS4 has zero positive impact on their finances. Any money they were to have received from OS4 has long since been pre-payed, banked, and spent. Once OS4 hits, and those party pack vouchers and "virtual" club coupons start rolling in, it's just more debt. |
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Posted by Eva on 27-Jan-2004 14:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (pixie): Posted by pixie (194.65.71.18)
We'll after all... we're in a free world aren't we? Everyone has their beliefs, I bet anytime soon we'll also see the blue brigade jumpin on this thread too, nothing new really
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The same apply to red troll Pixred.
Anyway thx to this good management AmigaInc is actually a rotten corpse ... and worse than ever .... the Amiga name is, thx to them, used in products that nothing have to do with the classic Commodore Amiga line (T-shirts, pottery, songs, mediocre boyband performance, mediocre taiwanese mobos, sleep, socks ...). |
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Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 27-Jan-2004 14:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (pixie): Why? they have obviously been busy filling his email inbox! |
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Posted by Nate Downes on 27-Jan-2004 14:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (Greg Ford): You just eliminated a lot of the truth, as a lot of the people that tried to deal with AInc (such as myself) have been forced to hitch ourselves with a company that AInc's current management views as a competitor. |
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 27-Jan-2004 14:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (samface): "In other words; you're admitting that you're theory is just that, a theory, and now you're asking for help to proove this theory, right? I mean, if you would know this "investment hostage situation" as a fact, you wouldn't need help to proove it to begin with, right?"
Suppose you've seen me kill your boss, yet you have little or no "real" evidence (i.e. usable in a court of law). Do you not know "for a fact" that I've killed your boss and yet you need to prove it?
Certainly, I assume that the empircal data obtained from witnessing me killing your boss is sufficent to be taken as "knowledge". For example, you did see it, I did kill your bosss, you weren't mistaken etc etc etc. |
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 27-Jan-2004 14:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 75 (samface): You know, he did say that from the start - he just used a few more words. |
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Posted by pixie on 27-Jan-2004 14:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 78 (Mr. Anonymous): I was talking on this thread... not into his mail. |
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Posted by Mikey C on 27-Jan-2004 14:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Lennart Fridén): So in essence, what you are saying is that we are having opinions dressed up as facts?
Interesting idea.
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 27-Jan-2004 14:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 79 (Nate Downes): ...and in doing so you've made whatever evidence you might have less than ideal to put forth in a court.
"Your honour, I'd like to show the court exhibit A coming from someone that works for the competition..."
That can hardly be blamed on Mr.Ford here. This thread should be regarded as a RFC. If you got some info - hand it to Mr.ford if you like, otherwise stay clear and move along because there is nothing here to be seen. |
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Posted by pixie on 27-Jan-2004 14:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 77 (Eva): Whatever you say you're right... |
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Posted by Darth_X on 27-Jan-2004 14:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Bodie_CI5): HEY FAKER!!! |
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Posted by Nate Downes on 27-Jan-2004 14:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 85 (Lennart Fridén): But how do you classify competition? I work for Genesi, a company AInc's management might view as competition even while my own view is that we compete with them about as much as Dell does. |
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Posted by BrianK on 27-Jan-2004 15:11 GMT | Amiga Inc falls?
Hmm, I guess I use the same AOS3.9 A4000T that I've used for the past few years while twiddling my thumbs for AOS4.0... When they actually produce AOS4.0 then I'll start to take notice as they'll end up getting some of my money. |
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Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Jan-2004 15:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 73 (itix): Maybe it won't be - but you would think that AInc. would be making something out of it.
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Posted by Greg Ford on 27-Jan-2004 15:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 65 (ghauber): I understand what you're getting at. From the way it was explained to me, their mind is pretty much made up about what's going on, and they are interested only in leads to support it.
If a business relationship was positively persued, most likely they assume it would be public knowledge. I guess. I don't know, but it makes sense. usually something like that is happily posted into a coorporate update. Being investors, you'd think Amiga Inc would tell them positive things anyway, I don't know why positive situations would be held back from them. In any event that's not what has been asked of me. |
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Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Jan-2004 15:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 76 (Lando): A fair point.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 27-Jan-2004 15:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Lennart Fridén): You're right - he did. I just thought I'd help clarify things as people seemed to be misunderstanding.
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Posted by MarkTime on 27-Jan-2004 15:21 GMT | Greg,
first of all, I think anyone who has the type of information you want, understands your request. Of course, hopefully someone will e-mail you but the rest of us will continue to post ramblings, as we always do...don't worry about it.
I think its a hard task...I didn't know anyone, even your presence here is a surprise to me...ever thought Amiga, Inc. was a viable business partner. Well, I suppose they did make the deal with Microsoft, which tends to support the idea that they were trying.
Amiga, Inc. wouldn't be irresponsible for shunning this group, do you see the difficulty now?
They did shun wack jobs, they didn't shun real industry players like Microsoft...sounds to me like, while A)I'm sure you were right in that they wanted more money from the investors and were willing to play hardball...on the other hand...my guess as a outsider and bystander, is that its reasonable to say, they wanted to be a success, they were just incompetent, not purposely sabotaging things.... |
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Posted by Greg Ford on 27-Jan-2004 15:32 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (samface): Oh, so it's not even your own theory, just something someone told you...
An invester, who I'm sure is more intimate and closer to this than you, me, or anyone on this board.
No, I'm not a candidate for your quest for "leads" and I'd say most people in here already got that part by now. I was talking about this theory about Amiga Inc. beeing used by certain individuals as "hostage" for more investments. You talk about it as a matter of course when there obviously is nothing what so ever to back it up at this point.
It is a matter of course, not mine however. I'm just putting people into contact with each other, I'm not privy to the information they exchange when they do speak to each other. I'm afraid you're asking the wrong man, as I'm simply the switchboard operator here and you're asking me what conversation is happening on the line. I'm afraid I can't tell you that, because I'm not even asking for that myself, I'm just looking for leads, contacts, not the information they might have. Maybe you should ask these same people I've asked to email me, to email you as well, so that you may ask them yourself, then you'll be even more informed than I, and even have the same info the investors have, as I'm just referring people to someone else, not asking them questions as you wish to do.
Please, for the sake of objectivity, just accept the fact that this is so far just a theory which someone, whoever it is, has yet to proove.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here. I'm asking for specific people to email me, so that I may put them in contact with someone who thinks the information they may have is valuable to them. How is that not objective? I'm simply a middleman, not a messenger. |
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Posted by Greg Ford on 27-Jan-2004 15:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 79 (Nate Downes): You just eliminated a lot of the truth, as a lot of the people that tried to deal with AInc (such as myself) have been forced to hitch ourselves with a company that AInc's current management views as a competitor.
I understand this, and I can relate, having fallen into this position in the way that I have, but there's something else involved here too that makes it complicated. I can't say more, but in your position you can probably expect to be contacted by the interested party directly, without me being involved in any way whatsoever. To make a long story short and oversimple, they don't need me to find you, they know who you are already. |
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Posted by Greg Ford on 27-Jan-2004 15:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 94 (MarkTime): I suppose they did make the deal with Microsoft, which tends to support the idea that they were trying. Amiga, Inc. wouldn't be irresponsible for shunning this group, do you see the difficulty now?
Sure, I'm sure they'll have no problem separating wheat from chaff, if I didn't screw that expression up too badly. |
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Posted by Donald Fisher on 27-Jan-2004 16:02 GMT | Amiga Inc are a total disgrace of a company, it is about time people stopped supporting them as it will all end in more people getting ripped off.
What i find more disturbing is people have been scammed out of money (party packs, coupsons etc) but continue to go on a Amiga Inc fan site praising and defending the same people what has screwed them. |
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Posted by samface on 27-Jan-2004 16:06 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Lennart Fridén): No, this is not a case of knowledge based on first hand experience. I mean, just because I've seen you kill my boss, does that make you a serial killer of all people that has ever been murdered? Of course not. So, even if it would be true that Greg has had first hand experience on beeing shunned, the theory that Amiga Inc. would be shunning every business opportunity for the sake of restricting the company's revenue in order to force their investors to invest more capital remains just a theory, which not even this unkown source of this theory could possibly know as a fact, until otherwise has been proven. |
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Posted by MIKE on 27-Jan-2004 16:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 51 (pixie): Why? This post is nothing more then common knowledge. |
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