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Posted on 29-Jan-2004 10:15 GMT by AmigaRulez303 comments
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We are very happy to let you all know that Alan Redhouse will visit us at the AmiGBG 2004 fair. Alan will tell us about what is happening around the AmigaOne hardware and what we can expect further on this year.

PayPal has been integrated into the ticket ordering system, so it´s now possible to pay your ticket in an easy way if you live outside Sweden. We celebrate this by having a DVD movie lottery among those who pre-pay their AmiGBG 2004 tickets!

More news at AmiGBG Web site
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 1 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 10:05 GMT
Will anyone from Amiga Inc be there?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 2 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Jan-2004 10:05 GMT
It's really not my intention to sound like one of those annoying people nagging about "Where is the Pegasos?"/"Where is the A1?" but:

I see no mention of the Pegasos/MorphOS on your website?! Is that a simple error from your webadmins, do I need to get my eyes checked, or is it because you have choosen to exclude the Pegasos/MorphOS from the show?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 3 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 29-Jan-2004 10:11 GMT
Well it is an Amiga show.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 4 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Jan-2004 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anon):
Yes, and ...?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 5 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Jan-2004 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
I'm not going to say the pegasos should/should not be there, but perhaps they didn't find someone to come from the blue camp?

Also, it's up to the organisers to decide whom they invite i guess, we should be glad there are still people doing the effort to organise these things, unrelated to their colors, believes or whatever ;)

Cheers
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 6 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 29-Jan-2004 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (anon):
Missed the smiliey so here it is... ;)
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 7 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 29-Jan-2004 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Amon_Re):
> but perhaps they didn't find someone to come from the blue camp?

They would have found someone. I know that for sure.

> Also, it's up to the organisers to decide whom they invite i guess

Of course! And it's up to the visitors to decide which shows they visits.

> we should be glad there are still people doing the effort to organise these
> things, unrelated to their colors, believes or whatever ;)

So you feel that their stance is "unrelated to their colors, believes or whatever"? Well, perhaps ...

Look, all I wanted to say is that the numbers of visitors has constantly dropped on all shows during these last years. No matter where in the world. On all show reports we see comments like "the show was interesting, but where were the visitors?". And those shows targetted *the whole* Amiga market, not just one part of it.

I was really thinking of going to that show this year. It's a long and expensive travel for me, but I was thinking that it would be kind of worth it to see some unreleased betas of MorphOS, perhaps see those 3D radeon drivers in development, the Video Microwave, etc, etc. MorphOS products, games and applications, both from Genesi and 3rd party companies. And while I was there I would of course liked to have a look at OS4 too! Maybe do some quick comparisons between MorphOS and OS4 myself (there is nothing like a first hand experience in this regard). I am *sure* that there are people that thinks like this, but the other way around too.

Now this won't happen. The show is limited to be only a one day show that only deals with one part of the community/market. This will surely do magic to the numbers of visitors! You can put all the DVD's you want on that ticket lottery, it will still have little effect ...

Or perhaps this IS an error by the webadmins, or perhaps I DO need to get my eyes checked?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 8 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 12:00 GMT
Will Bill McEwen or Fleecy Moss (or anyone else from AInc) be there to represent Amiga?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 9 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 29-Jan-2004 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma

I guess that Gunne Steen who is an Amiga dealer from Gothenborg will also bring some Pegasos machines with him?

But it seems like the organisers are concentrating about doing a Amiga show only, anyway I don't think that will affect the number of visitors in any way.

Some will stay away because there is no pegasos on the show and others will go there because there's fianlly a real Amiga (and only Amiga) show.

I will go myself hoping for a show 90%+ focused on AmigaOS(4)
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 10 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>Will Bill McEwen or Fleecy Moss (or anyone else from AInc) be there to >represent Amiga?

Not likely! Anyway, what should they be doing there? A Inc. don't contribute
with ANYTHING, except the name...
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 11 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Well, I'd like to see them someday, everytime a show is announced I plan to go, then I put it off thinking I should wait and go to one they WILL be present at. Maybe someone from Amiga Inc could pipe up and suggest a show I should wait for?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 12 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
>Well, I'd like to see them someday, everytime a show is announced I plan to >go, then I put it off thinking I should wait and go to one they WILL be >present at. Maybe someone from Amiga Inc could pipe up and suggest a show I >should wait for?

Whenever AmigaOS 4 is launched, I do think that you will be seeing Fleecy there. I wonder if Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga is aiming for a launch at CEBIT this year (they didn't make it last year)... :) Or maybe the releasedate will slip back into August / September.
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Posted by Mikey C on 29-Jan-2004 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
It is an AMIGA show.

er what more do you want?

Mikey C
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 14 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 29-Jan-2004 12:26 GMT
"Not likely! Anyway, what should they be doing there? A Inc. don't contribute
with ANYTHING, except the name... "

Are you sure? If you don't know the fact don't make false statement. You don't know what A Inc is doing now.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 15 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
None of us really know what is happening behind the scenes, AInc has bad problems thats sure, but there might still be some progress going on. So never say like that if you really don't know. If your are honest you should know that you really don't know.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 16 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
You could be right, but why would progress, which the public is desperately starving for, be kept a secret? Why would they do that?
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Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jan-2004 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
"None of us really know what is happening behind the scenes, AInc has bad problems thats sure, but there might still be some progress going on. So never say like that if you really don't know. If your are honest you should know that you really don't know."

If you read carefully through all of fleecy's answers on Amigaworld you will find quite a lot of information.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 18 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
>None of us really know what is happening behind the scenes, AInc has bad >problems thats sure, but there might still be some progress going on. So never >say like that if you really don't know. If your are honest you should know >that you really don't know.

OK, it was a true flame bait. Of course I know better:)
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 19 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Jan-2004 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Troels E):
>and others will go there because there's fianlly a real Amiga (and only Amiga) show.

If people would really think like that than the greatest Amiga show (with thousands of attendees) we had years ago were not "real Amiga (and only Amiga) show".
IMO a show that would support Amiga + Amiga compatible solutions would get more visitors.
I think that the best shows to get more people are the "Alternative computing" shows where people that are not aware of anything Amiga related these days can see, test, speak to their friends about the new Amiga/Amiga compatible solutions.
The "Amiga Inc made" elitism will only help to narrow the "Real Amigans" user base faster.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 20 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Jan-2004 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Troels E):
> But it seems like the organisers are concentrating about doing a Amiga show
> only, anyway I don't think that will affect the number of visitors in any way.

Not really true, since AROS will be represented there.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 21 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Jan-2004 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Mikey C):
> It is an AMIGA show.

True, but not in the sense you think, or else you'd have to conclude that AROS is "Amiga", which, I think, would make your brain frie.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 22 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Jan-2004 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (takemehomegrandma):
Hey TMHGA,

'> we should be glad there are still people doing the effort to organise these
> things, unrelated to their colors, believes or whatever ;)

So you feel that their stance is "unrelated to their colors, believes or whatever"? Well, perhaps ... "

No, i believe that we should support everyone willing to undertake such an event, unrelated to their own colors, position etc etc.

"Look, all I wanted to say is that the numbers of visitors has constantly dropped on all shows during these last years. No matter where in the world. On all show reports we see comments like "the show was interesting, but where were the visitors?". And those shows targetted *the whole* Amiga market, not just one part of it. "

True, unless things change soon, the Amiga as a whole will vanish into our memories :(

"I was really thinking of going to that show this year. It's a long and expensive travel for me, but I was thinking that it would be kind of worth it to see some unreleased betas of MorphOS, perhaps see those 3D radeon drivers in development, the Video Microwave, etc, etc. MorphOS products, games and applications, both from Genesi and 3rd party companies. And while I was there I would of course liked to have a look at OS4 too! Maybe do some quick comparisons between MorphOS and OS4 myself (there is nothing like a first hand experience in this regard). I am *sure* that there are people that thinks like this, but the other way around too. "

What do you lot all have with that microwave? :) Maybe they'll announce some Blue stands too, i don't know. But i do agree with you

Cheers
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 23 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Jan-2004 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Fabio Alemagna):
frie -> fry
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 24 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Fabio Alemagna):
Maybe genesi simply isn't interested? Has anyone thought about that, GGSData is the offical swedish Pegasos reseller and they will be there.
OnyxSoft makes morphos software and they will be there.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 25 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Don Cox):
If you read carefully through all of fleecy's answers on Amigaworld you will find quite a lot of information.

Fleecy's 'information' does not provide the answers we are looking for, most of the time his answers come across vague or as hype than anything of substance. This is not really the problem.

This is the problem:

http://www.amiga.com/news/
- no news updates.
- Shouldn't the release of OS4 beta to developers be mention here?

http://www.amiga.com/corporate/exec_update.php
- no updates since 2001!!!

http://www.amiga.com/events/
- AmiGBG should be listed here!!!
- again, not updated since 2001

http://www.amiga.com/products/
- OS4 should be listed here
- AmigaOne is mentioned, but info site not updated in 2 years!

http://www.amiga.com/corporate/
- Is any of the information on this page accurate?

http://www.amiga.com/corporate/investors.shtml
- "[an error occurred while processing this directive]"


Anyways, we're waiting for AmigaInc to resolve these 'issues'. Will they?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 26 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Jan-2004 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Fabio Alemagna):
"Not really true, since AROS will be represented there."

This is a great news. I really hope AROS will gain more attention.
Any news on AROS eventual port on the Nueron board ?
If that would work I would definitely consider it as part of one of my Amiga compatible platform(s).
IMO AROS has a real potential to extend the user base. Everyone should support it.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 27 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Will anyone from Amiga Inc be there?

Will anyone from Mai Logic be there to demonstrate the Amiga 'Teron Mini' ?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 28 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (takemehomegrandma):
And.. has anyone offered to go to that show representing Genesi?
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 29 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Jan-2004 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
> Maybe genesi simply isn't interested?

That's the point, indeed. Here people think that since there's no "Genesi" listed on that page, then the Pegasos/MOS won't be represented, but they somehow don't apply the same logic to the fact that until today it wasn't sure whether any of Amiga Inc/Hyperion/Eyetech were going. Makes you wonder about how blind can some people be :-)

What I know is that Genesi is evaluating the possibility to go there (so some of the AmiGBG guys told one of the AROS team member).

> Has anyone thought about that, GGSData is the offical swedish Pegasos reseller
> and they will be there.
> OnyxSoft makes morphos software and they will be there.

Exactly. MOS and the Peg will be there, you can be sure about that.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 30 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Amon_Re):
You shouldn't use the term 'blue camp'. Thanks! ;)
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 31 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 29-Jan-2004 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Fabio Alemagna):
Sorry, AROS is not Amiga, You can dress it as much as you want, but it isn't Amiga.

Sure, it has it's uses as a re-implementation of classic AmigaOS for x86, but it isn't strictly an Amiga, just a wanna be

BTW, at least I have a brain to fry, more than can be said for you.

Mikey C
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 32 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 29-Jan-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Darth_X):
(Psssst!) The AmigaOS site is http://os.amiga.com, not http://www.amiga.com

The main amiga.com portal is currently being redesigned and when relaunched will only be the corporate information site as it should be, with links to the subportals within.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Jan-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Mikey C):
"re-implementation of classic AmigaOS for x86"
As well as "Linux is a Unix re-implementation of Unix for x86 "

AROS is not limited to x86. For example parts of MorphOS are AROS.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 34 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 29-Jan-2004 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Christophe Decanini):
Still an Amiga wannabe

Mikey C
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 35 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by mossup on 29-Jan-2004 14:18 GMT
"I run Windows xp on my Peg"
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Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Mikey C):
It is an AMIGA show.

er what more do you want?

Mikey C


How about wanting a huge & sucessful show?

Amiga has turned from a cool alternative computer platform into some kind of exclusive club, not really that open or welcoming to new members. At least that's how a lot of people feel. And if the general population feels that way, the shows will continue to have sparse attendance.

There doesn't appear to be much effort to turn this around. From my point of view "I'm still waiting" for AmigaInc to be open for business.

I'm interested in business development, not just a hobby.

That's why its great that Genesi are promoting a new cool alternative computer platform and development of the marketplace, one that continues the *Amiga spirit*.
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Posted by Mikey C on 29-Jan-2004 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (mossup):
Yes but can you Run OS4 on your Peg?

:-)

Mikey C
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 38 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 29-Jan-2004 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Darth_X):
Well then I suggest you hold a genesi only show and stop trying to tap off the Amiga's name instead

or is it that a genesi show would happily fit inside a phone booth? :-)

Mikey C
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 39 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Will Bill McEwen or Fleecy Moss (or anyone else from AInc) be there to represent Amiga?

Representation from Amiga UK (Eyetech) or Amiga Belgium (Hyperion) would be more likely.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 40 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (ikir):
Are you sure? If you don't know the fact don't make false statement. You don't know what A Inc is doing now.

Ikir, many of us do not have access to inside information on AmigaInc, so we can only speculate on what's going on insude. So maybe you have inside information the rest of us don't have? ;)
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 41 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ray A. Akey):
> The main amiga.com portal is currently being redesigned

Thanks, we know that already, you & your employers/contractors have been saying that for 4 years now. Calling your website a "portal" (what websites were called in the gay 1990's when they needed venture capital) is funny though. Good one.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 42 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Mikey C):
AROS does carry on the *Amiga spirit* ;)
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Posted by Mikey C on 29-Jan-2004 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Darth_X):
That's like saying W.I.N.E carrys the windows spirit

Utter pants really.

Mikey C
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 44 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Mikey C):
LOL! This market is all about " wannabe's " ;)
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Posted by Mikey C on 29-Jan-2004 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Darth_X):
Nope,

This market is about AmigaOnes/AOS4 and those who wish to trade on the name

:-)

Mikey C
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 46 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jan-2004 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Darth_X):
"Fleecy's 'information' does not provide the answers we are looking for, most of the time his answers come across vague or as hype than anything of substance."

That's why I said "carefully". There are clues there if you look. I'm not suggesting you take the texts as a gospel.

Some of the answers appear to have been sent out to other people to be answered.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 47 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Jan-2004 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Mikey C):
Excluding all the "wanabes" solution makes your Amiga future tied to a company who has been in a coma for months.
If this company goes down then we may only have Amiga wanabes.

IMO, puting all your eggs in the same basket is a very bad idea.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 48 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 29-Jan-2004 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Mikey C):
to trade "on the name" sounds very religious! ;)
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 49 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jan-2004 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Mikey C):
"Still an Amiga wannabe"

Well, so are the AmigaOne and the Pegasos for that matter. At least they do have 68k emulators, so they are that much nearer. But as a replacement for an A4000, they both have a lot of gaps.

AROS is making slow, steady progress IMO, and a demo of it at an Amiga show would be entirely appropriate.
AmiGBG Update: Eyetech & Paypal : Comment 50 of 303ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Jan-2004 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Mikey C):
> Sorry, AROS is not Amiga, You can dress it as much as you want, but it isn't
> Amiga.

Did *I* say it's Amiga? I simply said that if you think that AmiGBG is only about Amiga, then YOU have to conclude that AROS is Amiga, because AROS will be there.

It's your problem, not mine.

> Sure, it has it's uses as a re-implementation of classic AmigaOS for x86,

And that is wrong as well, since AROS not not only about x86.


> BTW, at least I have a brain to fry, more than can be said for you.

yeah, yeah :-)
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