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[Rant] Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site.ANN.lu
Posted on 03-Feb-2004 15:32 GMT by Jordan Taylor238 comments
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Today a so-called Amiga site which was supposed to allow freedom of speech has now become a exposed heavily censored website, webmasters acting like children insulting members of the site just because they stand up and say what they think.

I feel betrayed.

Check it out yourself here

Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 101 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 03-Feb-2004 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (bobpuegot):
HUH? People are seeing AW everywhere. Like Elvis and UFOs.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 102 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 03-Feb-2004 23:43 GMT
I must say that I am very happy with amiga.org and its moderation. It's only a *few times* I have ever raised my eyebrows over moderation decision (that is: not really agreeing with them) during all these years I have been reading amiga.org, AND THAT IS NOT MUCH! Shit happens!

IMHO you have always been quite free to express your opinions at amiga.org, as long as you do it with style (well motivated and not (too) offending to other people) and keep somewhat on topic. Amiga.org is by far the best xoops based Amiga community site around!
:-)
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 103 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 03-Feb-2004 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Billsey):
Weren't you the guy on AW awhile back that was say they were attacking your internet connection. That was a funny thread.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 104 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 03-Feb-2004 23:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Billsey):
@ Billsey

> I was a regular on Amiga.org but was attacked by moderators because i was in
> their terms a "Religious scumbag" who should stop being christian or get
> banned. i asked why i am being treated badly but the only reply i got
> said "if you do not like the site just f--k off bible boy).

Aren't you the same person that made connection between BBRV and ... was it satan? And sees BBRV in cars stalking you, and gets strange and mysterious calls from BBRV to your home all the time (which you never answer), etc, etc? Dude, you are on a cult crusade, and like Don Quixotte you seems to be making strange things out of every wind mill you come across. You must understand that people can be annoyed at a certain level, and you should stop before reaching that level.

> My new home is Amigaworld.net and i am happy to be there in a place of peace.

You were obviously never asked to leave amiga.org, but I must say you have found a suitable new home! Amen to that, brother!
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 105 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 04-Feb-2004 00:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (MIKE):
More like "Here's your sign!"
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 106 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 04-Feb-2004 00:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (MIKE):
More like "Here's your sign!"
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 107 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 04-Feb-2004 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (takemehomegrandma):
Billsey quite obviously has... ahem... issues, but I don't think it's the "real" Billsey posting here. His usually manifested in perfect English.

This is just another impersonating freak who knows which buttons to push to keep the shitstorm blowing.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 108 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 04-Feb-2004 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (takemehomegrandma):
I think someone forgot to take his meds.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 109 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 04-Feb-2004 00:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Seehund):
He's right up there with that kid that took a, what was it?, crowbar to the bootrom socket on his A1.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 110 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 04-Feb-2004 00:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Seehund):
Goddamnit! (annoying the real Billsey...)

There's something seriously wrong with ANN's HTML parsing.

Anyway, this is what my post was supposed to say:

"His delusions are usually manifested in perfect English."

Link 1: http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3047&forum=4&16
Link 2: http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11043&forum=1
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 111 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Feb-2004 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Seehund):
That's what I am talking about! Thanks for the link (with BBRV's comment and all)!

;-)
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 112 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 04-Feb-2004 00:44 GMT
Just wanted to send out a big thankyou to whoever it was who has been DoSing me all evening.... much appreciate...
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 113 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 00:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (takemehomegrandma):
If billsey indeed recieved that message I think it was uncalled for... even if he was being a kook. (no offence intended, I'm an athiest so I view all religions as kooky) However in looking through past threads on that site it doesn't show that as the reason he left, he publicly left because of Wayne going Blue or something to that effect. Other threads show many members defending billsey from the athiests, in fact looking through them now, most people on the site stood up for him from the members who felt he shouldn't be posting religion related articles.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 114 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 04-Feb-2004 01:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (bobpuegot):
If billsey indeed recieved that message I think it was uncalled for... even if he was being a kook.

I fully agree with that. But as I said above I don't think it's the real Billsey who's posting here in this thread, nor that the real Billsey (or anyone else for that matter) deservedly or not has gotten that kind of abuse from any a.org moderator.

But hey, I guess someone who thinks that one company is trying to stalk, physically harm and even kill the staff of another company (and its Godfearing fans) could just as easily imagine seeing abuse from moderators in his inbox. It might also be that the resulting agitated psychological state could cause this person to suddenly start posting on the hitherto shunned ANN.lu with the skills of a 14-year-old Uzbekistani script kiddie with trisomy 21. Nothing is too strange to be true in the Amiverse. :P
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 115 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 03:16 GMT
Marktime is right on the moneyshot.

(hows that for engrish?)

> Everyone, if you ever wrote a webmaster complaining that a thread was out of control --> you are the problem.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 116 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 04-Feb-2004 03:34 GMT
To everyone who Billsey has "offended": get real guys, grow up and grow some more skin while at it. If its true and you people got offended by Billsey's posting religious posts at an Amiga-site... good luck with the rest of your life. It's going to be long, and hard one.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 117 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 04-Feb-2004 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Wayne Hunt):
Mr. Wayne Hunt silly wrote:

>Here's a cardinal rule folks.
>Web sites are private property,
>even if they have their own built-in community.
>We -- the Webmasters, and sponsors -- make these sites available
>as a service to it's users.
>It is a PRIVILEDGE to use them.
>It is not your " inaliable right".
>If you don't like a site, don't stick around
>ruining it for others. There are plenty of
>other sites out there which would be more appropriate to you.


Priviledge?

Uhu?

You are a very funny people indeed...


You are the webmaster of a Forum site...

To Write on it it is a CHOICE by the user

It is WE USERS that keep your forum site alive


Else you can just start a BLOG site...

...and whine about Amiga news and your personal preferences.


Owners of a forum site must be grateful that WE USERS write on it...

...else, without traffic, no one will pay for advertising on its pages!


With respect,

Raffaele
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 118 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 04-Feb-2004 04:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Wayne Hunt):
>Amiga.org was started BY ME in 1995 to serve the Amiga community.

I see things haven't changed. :)

--EyeAm (sipping his Kool-Aid)
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 119 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Feb-2004 05:11 GMT
@Christian Kemp

Can you please remove all posts by the spoofed Alkemyst.

As i said way in the past that i would not post on Ann useing my nick.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 120 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (EyeAm):
Oh... what happened to you was HARDLY due to poor moderation. No site moderator could be blamed for modding your posts during the "Big Eyeam hissyfit of 2002" That's not what anyone is talking about. Let's face it, Mother Theresa would have deleted your posts then too.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 121 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 04-Feb-2004 07:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (bobpuegot):
I wouldn't change anything I did. :-) I still stand by it 100%--everything I said. It was in response to Wayne's unwarranted, unprovoked attack on me over on Moobunny in 2002.

The important thing for 'those in the community', however, should be AMIGA OS 4.0 (or, if not in the PPC camp, Amiga OS 5.0, which will be out much later)

--EyeAm
-=AMIGA OS=-
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 122 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (EyeAm):
You forgot the other reason for your hissyfit. You said you talked to Bill McEwen and he told you AmigaOS5 wouldn't be platform indipendant as previously planned. You went on this huge "They've been lying to me!!!" rant.

Anyway it wasn't what you said that got you banned, it was you posting literally dozens of crapflood threads a day to various Amiga sites.

How you can attribute that ban to poor moderation by mentioning it in this thread is beyond me.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 123 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 07:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Darren):
Lol! Ok, this is turning into bullshit.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 124 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Feb-2004 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (bobpuegot):
> However in looking through past threads on that site it doesn't show that as
> the reason he left, he publicly left because of Wayne going Blue or
> something to that effect.

He was only one of those loud drama queens in the exodus, they all thought up a dramatic reason and proclaimed it loud and clear, then they split the red sea and walked across to their promised lands. I only wish they would promise to stay there forever. Perhaps there is a way to build a great wall around amigaworld.net, like the old Berlin wall or the new Israeli wall?
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 125 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 04-Feb-2004 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Mr. Anonymous):
You didn't know? MikeB is living with Elvis and lord Lucan in a bus on the moon...

The yeti is serving them drinks, I'll bet!
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 126 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Jordan Taylor on 04-Feb-2004 08:41 GMT
People please post if you really have been a victim of Amiga.org moderators and webmasters and stop making comments about racism, religious attacks and other lies - which i have never witnessed on that site.

I just want the truth to be told and expose that site for what it is, but some of you people have turned a honest opinion thread in to a battlefield.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 127 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 04-Feb-2004 08:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Jordan Taylor):
Who is the moderator? If it's HIM , then don't worry:-). Still a kindergarten here.
regs hgm
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 128 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 04-Feb-2004 09:16 GMT
I don't think that's really Billsey ... Anyway.


I haven't noticed any "hard-handed" moderation on Amiga,org. I think it's all
running along just fine. Kees and the rest of them are doing a great job.

But then I haven't noticed the apparently daily hard-handed moderation on
Amigaworld.net either, and people are usually making the same accusations in
those ANN threads as they do in this (just replace A.org with AW.net, and you
have a scaringly similar thread from the past).

So I suppose I'm not the right person to judge. If I cannot see the ATROCITIES
that is apparently going on at AW every day, I would probably manage to overlook
the terrors of A.org as well.
.
SlimJim
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 129 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Feb-2004 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Wayne Hunt):
You evil man. Is that why DoomMaster is gone?

DoomMaster ruled and made the site more easygoing and much more fun
compared to the legio of too serious and too obsessed people usually posting.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 130 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 04-Feb-2004 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (bobpuegot):
>In Reply to Comment 121 (EyeAm):
>You forgot the other reason for your hissyfit. You said you talked to
>Bill McEwen and he told you AmigaOS5 wouldn't be platform indipendant
>as previously planned. You went on this huge "They've been lying to me!!!"
>rant.

I don't have 'hissyfits', nor do I go on 'rants'. Those are words that you choose to belittle another, because you cannot match their intelligence by simply being reasonable. You're obviously hostile toward me. I've done nothing to you.

Again, I stand by everything I have said in the past. I've had my reasons, and have nothing to regret. :) Others, on the other hand, have found what it means to regret. It has hopefully made them wiser.

>Anyway it wasn't what you said that got you banned, it was you posting >literally dozens of crapflood threads a day to various Amiga sites.

If you want to know the truth about all that: I was minding my own business on Moobunny, posting creative ideas (as I'm creative and have a lot of ideas), and was attacked by Wayne, who came over there (sure, he can post anywhere on the net he wants to), to start something with me (something he cannot do, without response). So I trashed his board. Not all I did: but I'm sure you missed the site parodies that went up online, looking just like Amiga.org and Moobunny, and illustrating just what was wrong with them at the time. :)

>How you can attribute that ban to poor moderation by mentioning it in this
>thread is beyond me.

I don't. I simply noted how things haven't really changed after all this time (evidence this very thread, even).

Heh. Oh well... have a nice day.

--EyeAm :)
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 131 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 04-Feb-2004 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Matt Parsons):
"Woh!!! Stop right there, Amiga.org is not amigaworld.net!!!!"
For a lot of people AW is much more better than AO... and viceversa. Ao moderation, and AW are fine for me. You always attack Aw.... maybe because you have trolled a lot of times on it, also with fake accounts? Stop now bloodline, without offence, your posts are pathetic, stop trolling against AW everytime. Check the aw stats, problably it is now the biggest amiga site in this comunity, probably not all the people thinks that AW is shit. Everyone have their own opinion, but saying all the times that AW sucks is just silly.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 132 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Jordan Taylor):
I just want the truth to be told and expose that site for what it is, but some of you people have turned a honest opinion thread in to a battlefield.

I agree. We are not the trolls, we are concerned netizens. The trolls can start their own bandwagon and keep off ours.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 133 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 04-Feb-2004 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (ikir):
I said nothing bad about AmigaWorld.net in my post, I only replied to the original poster to stop confusing the two.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 134 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (EyeAm):
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you Eyeams wigout.

http://amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4713&forum=1#63521

clip:
Subject : Amiga.org is cursed until Wayne grows up and quits being a .......
Posted : 2002/12/6 22:54
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wayne, you could have kept your goddamned mouth shut over on Moobunny, but no... you have to continue being a ####ing lame asshole....

You invited war... :)

You got one.


And then what follows is dozens of threads under dozens of nicks in an attempt to trash moobunny and Amiga.org, ultimately resulting in blocking the Anonymizer C class.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 135 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by bobpuegot on 04-Feb-2004 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (bobpuegot):
"Eyeam > You know what. If Amiga doesn't deliver something soon... I'm going to the FBI and starting an investigation into every single thing I suspect as being wrong."

Did you ever report Amiga Inc to the FBI btw? Sounds "interesting" (xoops rofl smiley)
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 136 of 238ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insult
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 137 of 238ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 138 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 04-Feb-2004 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Wilse):
... As if that was really Wilse. Grow up!
.
SlimJim
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 139 of 238ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 140 of 238ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 141 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 04-Feb-2004 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 140 (danamania):
And that's not Danamania, that's not Wilse, that's not Billsey, that's not...

To the impersonating little twat: If you're trying to discredit someone (Wayne, amiga.org) with these methods, I think you'll find it's working against your purposes. At least if the readers are equipped with more than half a brain.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 142 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 04-Feb-2004 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (bobpuegot):
No, I did something much better. :)

--EyeAm
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 143 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Perry on 04-Feb-2004 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Jordan Taylor):
yet again in public you have abused another one of your site members.

Wow. I have to admit, I didn't find anything abusive at all in Wayne's post. If that's a demonstration of the reasoning power of the people who oppose him... no wonder the amiga.org moderators are bringing down the whip.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 144 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 04-Feb-2004 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (CnlPepper):
Why should I stop posting? Nothing I've said has been offensive. :)

And I'm glad my original postings are still over there (surprised, even; but glad). It fills me with laughter. When I posted those, I intended them to be so over-the-top as to be ridiculous, and to be equivalent to the childishness I had to contend with. :)

I would have thought posters to messages forums like Amiga.org and this one, and others, would have 'grown up' by now and stopped their slagging.

People can argue as much as they want to about this topic or that, just don't make it personal. I mean, just imagine the basic fight, degenerating into "It is so!", "It is not!", "This one is better!", "No it's not!"...followed by reasons for one side versus reasons for another. I can handle all of that, with no problem, and quite frankly I am certain most find it fun to bicker like that. Until the personal attacks come out. :) "It is so, *you moron*!", "Oh, stop ranting and go take your meds!*... blahblahblah, and it goes on usually until both sides have ceased to talk about the real points of the original difference--say, about a piece of hardware or feature of an OS--and all that is left is hostility, bans, ruined threads.

Commodore went bankrupt in 1994. This year, of course, marks TEN YEARS (oh yes, I can count, wow, gee..) :) ESCOM, Gateway (Gateway 2000 at the time)--even less time since them. Bill and Fleecy got Amiga at the end of 1999, opening the doors, so to speak, January 3, 2001. They had started planning in September of 1999, shortly after Collas *exited*.

Ok. It's time to put all of this behind us. The entire community needs to rethink a lot of things. I'm sure Amiga, Inc. is.

This time, I'm not offering the ideas here. ;-) You've seen them before, and ignored them.

--EyeAm (hanging up the phone and walking away from the booth)
-=AMIGA=-
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 145 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 04-Feb-2004 13:55 GMT
typo... should be "January 3, 2000". :)
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 146 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 04-Feb-2004 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (EyeAm):
It was a short walk :)
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 147 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by enjoying no name on 04-Feb-2004 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (EyeAm):
You should give A Inc some of your ideas, Im sure
all they need is some really good ones.
As opposed to doing something physical with their
hands, like opening the door to the courtroom and
walk into it.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 148 of 238ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 146 (Wayne Hunt):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 149 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Hunt on 04-Feb-2004 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Redhouse lieing again to zombies):
I am in no way affiliated with Bill Buck, or Genesi.
Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 150 of 238ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Dennis on 04-Feb-2004 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (Wayne Hunt):
Explain.
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