| [Rant] Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 03-Feb-2004 15:32 GMT by Jordan Taylor | 238 comments
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Today a so-called Amiga site which was supposed to allow freedom of speech has now become a exposed heavily censored website, webmasters acting like children insulting members of the site just because they stand up and say what they think.
I feel betrayed.
Check it out yourself here
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 51 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 20:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 46 (Amiperson2K):
Call me slow (I know you will), but what do you mean? |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 52 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Feb-2004 20:56 GMT | I said it before, and i'll say it again, if you don't like the services a site provides, don't go there & leave them be.
Be it ANN.LU, AmigaWorld.Net, Amiga.Org or any of the other sites.
Cheers |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 53 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Coder on 03-Feb-2004 20:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (Darren):
Hi Darren,
Care to explain more?
Coder |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 54 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Billsey on 03-Feb-2004 20:57 GMT | I was a regular on Amiga.org but was attacked by moderators because i was in their terms a "Religious scumbag" who should stop being christian or get banned. i asked why i am being treated badly but the only reply i got said "if you do not like the site just f--k off bible boy).
My new home is Amigaworld.net and i am happy to be there in a place of peace. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 55 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Feb-2004 20:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Billsey):
They really said "fuck off, bibleboy"?
At least they got sense of humor! :) |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 56 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kees on 03-Feb-2004 21:02 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Billsey):
@ Billsey
Thats a lie and you know it.
Kees Witteveen
Amiga.org |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 57 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Wayne Hunt on 03-Feb-2004 21:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Billsey):
Billsey,
Thanks for your rabidly skewed opinion. It -- like that of "Darren" and "Jordan" demonstrates clearly that the viewpoint of individuals depends entirely on what they want to see, not necessarily on the truth.
As far as I am aware -- I cannot speak for any moderator -- You were never asked to "stop being Christian" (the faith, not the person). You were asked -- repeatedly -- to stop cramming your faith down everyone's throats all the time. It got to the point where every day, you were posting the "Christian viewpoint" and using Amiga.org as a pulpit.
You were never banned, nor were you even asked to leave Amiga.org. You were simply asked to respect the viewpoints and faith of others -- which you were failing to do -- from a less "zealotous" viewpoint. Your leaving was 100% your choice.
Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 58 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 21:04 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Billsey):
Some of us find your comments offensive. Though I would not condone telling you to "Fcuk off"... mearly keep your comments at least related to computers in some way. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 59 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Wayne Hunt on 03-Feb-2004 21:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 54 (Billsey):
Billsey,
To continue, if another moderator actually attacked you (calling you a "religious scumbag") in this manner, why did you not approach me with it? If I actually discovered that ANY moderator attacked you in such a manner, they would not be a moderator any longer. That goes for *almost* any situation, not just yours.
Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 60 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Coder on 03-Feb-2004 21:06 GMT | There was nothing on tv tonigth but coming here sure made up for that.
Since we are talking about moderation, there are some replies that
should be removed.
Coder |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 61 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Billsey on 03-Feb-2004 21:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 59 (Wayne Hunt):
MikeyMike sent me a PM with offensive remarks and the messages was later removed by someone - a moderator, i have been electronically bullied on Amiga.org for my beliefs.
I did go over the top at times but never deserved that much upsetting abuse from fellow christians. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 62 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Feb-2004 21:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 56 (Kees):
I have to admit that I also think it's a lie. Having seen some of Billsey's tirades against those things he doesn't favour, I think he is somewhat selective in the application of his religious principles, particularly when it comes to telling the truth. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 63 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 21:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (Billsey):
MikeyMike would NEVER be rude!!!! He's moderated me in the past and be very polite! |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 64 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Feb-2004 21:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (Matt Parsons):
You've been moderated? Say it ain't so! ;)
Cheers |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 65 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 21:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 64 (Amon_Re):
Several times, yeah I'm a bad boy!!! :-) |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 66 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Feb-2004 21:21 GMT | In reply to Comment 65 (Matt Parsons):
Urgh.. i need to get my mind out of the gutter... hehehe ;)
Cheers |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 67 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Billsey on 03-Feb-2004 21:22 GMT | | A apology from each member of moderation staff will be a good start and a dedicated forum for my christian information and music sheets. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 68 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 21:25 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Billsey):
How about they pray for you tonight? |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 69 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Feb-2004 21:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
No, I'm suggesting moderators moderate, not dictate.
Sending the baby home because you aren't happy with it still leaves you with no baby. It's about as useful as having a school with no pupils.
Moderators need to remember that they are providing a service, not feeding their egos with petty demonstrations of their power. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 70 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 21:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Billsey):
Hey Bilsey, why not FORGIVE them ;) |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 71 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Feb-2004 21:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 69 (Bill Hoggett):
<user> Your site's colors are boring
<Moderator> Shut up fool! Or i shall smite thee!
;)
Cheers |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 72 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 03-Feb-2004 21:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 70 (Matt Parsons):
Did you know that in Dutch, "to forgive" and "to poison" are nearly identical words? ;)
Cheers |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 73 of 238 | ANN.lu |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 74 of 238 | ANN.lu |
In reply to Comment 70 (Matt Parsons):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 75 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Wayne Hunt on 03-Feb-2004 21:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Billsey):
That's not going to happen. Actually it will, if you want me to open "Buddhist", "Satanist", "Baptist", "Catholic", "Agnostic" and "Other" forums and allow everyone to freely express their opinions there. We all know how that would work out, so don't hold your breath.
Amiga.org (and I'm willing to bet ANN, Moobunny, and even AmigaWorld.net) are NOT about religion the way you would want it to be and your form of "enthusiasm" about your religion isn't particularly appreciated to other people. If that is your thing, then you REALLY should restrict yourself to religious sites, but that's probably not as much fun to you as trying to convert all us "unwashed masses".
Now, that being said.... If someone on my moderation staff overstepped their bounds, then *I* apologize but I would ask for some -- ANY -- evidence of this transgression. I'm certainly not calling you a liar, but the idea that MikeyMike would have said such things is seemingly absurd.
Unfortunately so far you can offer no proof and if it were such an issue, you should have brought it to me much earlier. Admins do not have the ability to read, or remove the private messages of others. Once sent, a PMail message is out of the control of the sender. It's even difficult for ME to view anyone's private messages when necessary -- requiring manual database manipulation, so I KNOW a moderator couldn't have removed private messages.
So, that leaves us with two possibilities.
1) You are conveniently mistaken or -- I'd like to think --
2) You're stretching things incredibly out of proportion to suit your own imaginative desires.
Wayne Hunt |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 76 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Wayne Hunt on 03-Feb-2004 21:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (Martin Gregson):
Forgive me, but that is such complete bullshit. I would LOVE for you to show anyone any concrete proof of that. Then again, I'm answering a trollbait, so nevermind. If you can prove it, please do so. If not, have a nice day. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 77 of 238 | ANN.lu |
In reply to Comment 76 (Wayne Hunt):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 78 of 238 | ANN.lu |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 79 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 21:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 77 (Martin Gregson):
Next you'll say you're gay too... |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 80 of 238 | ANN.lu |
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 81 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 03-Feb-2004 21:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Billsey):
Your superior diety didnt give you the brains to put up your own home page?
If you like, I can abuse you on other topics than faith, and I'm also not a christian, so you can just relax and enjoy - and if you're really into it, I can put up a web page, just for this - just for you - for free! :) |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 82 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Wayne Hunt on 03-Feb-2004 21:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 77 (Martin Gregson):
Since no one knows who the hell you are, how could we even begin to guess the color of your skin, eyes, clothes, or sexual preference? Considering some of the people who visit Amiga sites, how could you EVER suggest that we care? Oh, you can't. It's just a good excuse to troll. I see.
If you were "DoomMaster", your account was deleted (by mistake) by a new admin. It would have been banned in any event due to your continual abuse of the system. If you can't deal with that, then tough.
Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 83 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Coder on 03-Feb-2004 21:52 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Lei Chung):
Hi Lei,
Can you tell us who? Or show mails you got. What you are talking about
is awfull but then again there is something called proof. That goes
for other too. Show the proof. Then we can expose those kind of people
for what they really are, right? So?
Coder |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 84 of 238 | ANN.lu |
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 85 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christophe Decanini on 03-Feb-2004 21:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 75 (Wayne Hunt):
I don't know how far from the reality Billsey is.
I wonder if he was not confused like he has been before.
I have to say that I have been quite offended when Billsey was posting on Amiga.org.
He pretty much scared me away from the religion. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 86 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Wayne Hunt on 03-Feb-2004 21:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 84 (Lei Chung):
Yet another anonymous proxy letting kiddie trolls continue their crap.
Sad. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 87 of 238 | ANN.lu |
In reply to Comment 83 (Coder):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 88 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Matt Parsons on 03-Feb-2004 21:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 84 (Lei Chung):
You know, you would have more credibility if your IP didn't change with every post... |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 89 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Wayne Hunt on 03-Feb-2004 21:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 88 (Matt Parsons):
No they wouldn't. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 90 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christian Kemp on 03-Feb-2004 21:59 GMT | It seems someone is trying to post comments with the intent of creating trouble, and formulating them in a way to call moderators on ANN racist in case we remove them for what they are - flamebait, and very possibly impersonations.
Clearly, the problem with moderation is rarely the moderators (although there are exceptions), but a handful of posters that seem to derive some pleasure from making other people's lifes harder, and/or putting people in a situation where they might make a well-intentioned decision they might regret later. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 91 of 238 | ANN.lu |
In reply to Comment 89 (Wayne Hunt):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 92 of 238 | ANN.lu |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 93 of 238 | ANN.lu |
In reply to Comment 90 (Christian Kemp):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 94 of 238 | ANN.lu |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 95 of 238 | ANN.lu |
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 96 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkemyst on 03-Feb-2004 22:11 GMT | | Censorship |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 97 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 03-Feb-2004 22:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 90 (Christian Kemp):
Well said, Christian. If these guys act the same way on A.org as they do here ("Who is Jordan Taylor?" "It is me, c*** s***er"), I'm amazed they haven't been banned.
(Staying anon because I don't want this going to private email - I know these types, and they don't let it lie). |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 98 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MIKE on 03-Feb-2004 22:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 49 (Wayne Hunt):
Wayne, he's just an amigaworld.net whiner looking for a clue. |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 99 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by smithy on 03-Feb-2004 22:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 85 (Christophe Decanini):
>I don't know how far from the reality Billsey is.
>I wonder if he was not confused like he has been before.
>I have to say that I have been quite offended when Billsey was posting on
>Amiga.org.
>He pretty much scared me away from the religion.
I don't think I've noticed anything on amiga.org that would be classed as heavy-handed moderation.
I did though, see "Billsey"'s thread that Christophe has linked, where he implied that Bill Buck was stalking him and following him to the supermarket(!!!!). I think that tells me all I need to know about "Billsey". |
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| Freedom of speech is no more on a popular Amiga site. : Comment 100 of 238 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 03-Feb-2004 23:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (Jimbo):
And leave this hive of vile and villany open! Boy, we are going down hill. Or do you want everyone to use just AW or MZ. |
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