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[News] Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourcedANN.lu
Posted on 05-Feb-2004 10:43 GMT by Amiga (Edited on 2004-02-05 15:44:06 GMT by Christophe Decanini)21 comments
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Holy Smokes! The Source Code to the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer has started to come out! www.openvideotoaster.org

Looks like they need images, graphics and more people joining and talking in their forums.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 1 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by toP on 05-Feb-2004 10:15 GMT
Excellent news.

Hope that we will see an official port of VideoToaster 2 pci for AmigaOne computers.

An adaptation of the new Videotoaster software for AOS4 will be great, and allow the new Amiga be newly used on studios with the same performance of PcWindows and Mac video stations.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 2 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by tokai on 05-Feb-2004 10:54 GMT
holy shit! it's all in asm. :)
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 3 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 05-Feb-2004 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (tokai):
Haha ... what a surprise!
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 4 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Treke on 05-Feb-2004 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (tokai):
Just parts are ASM. But I wouldn't bet a penny on 'gcc-compilability' of that C code. Big efforts needed. Also C++ redesign.

re

Treke
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 5 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 05-Feb-2004 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (toP):
>>>>
Hope that we will see an official port of VideoToaster 2 pci for AmigaOne computers.

An adaptation of the new Videotoaster software for AOS4 will be great, and allow the new Amiga be newly used on studios with the same performance of PcWindows and Mac video stations.
>>>>
The AmigaOne doesnt have enough horsepower to run the PCI toaster.
-Tig
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 6 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by crumula on 05-Feb-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Tigger):
Finally, a topic worth discussing! Thanks, Bill and Newtek and Aaron. Hey Bill, not bad for a right-wing extremist like yourself! </moo bunny humor>

Is there any point, besides nostalgia and hobby coding, to build upon this source to bring these programs up to speed with newer NLE technologies, or would that probably require building from scratch?
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 7 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-Feb-2004 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Tigger):
What horsepower do you need ?
Can this open source project could lead to newtek new products support on new Amiga / Amiga like products ?
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 8 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by amigabill on 05-Feb-2004 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (toP):
> Hope that we will see an official port of VideoToaster 2 pci for AmigaOne computers.

This isn't source code for the new PCI stuff, it's "classic" Amiga toaster stuff which is older.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 9 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 05-Feb-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
The VT 2/3 require a seriously decked out system. The original Peg couldn't handle it either.

IIRC, the 3 needs something akin to a Xeon to operate.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 10 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 05-Feb-2004 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (tokai):
"holy shit! it's all in asm. :)"

I believe the code for the new PCI Toaster is also mostly in assembler - x86, of course.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 11 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 05-Feb-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Don Cox):
Don't know if it's would be worthwhile, but someone could conceivably attempt to port the software to run on a Amiga Classic + PPC. Possibly running OS4 or MOS.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 12 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 06-Feb-2004 03:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (tokai):
Actually not much of it is in assembler, some of the low level toaster init and stuff is, but most of it is in C. Code for both the toaster and the flyer are included, plus I released all the sources for my Toaster and Flyer programs as part of this program.
-Tig
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 13 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 06-Feb-2004 03:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Nate Downes):
PPC970 ;)
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 14 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Roaster on 06-Feb-2004 04:11 GMT
How hard would it be to code software that
would allow a more modern computer to control
the switcher so one could feed and control the
Amiga Toaster from Windoz or Mac OS. One could
still use classic Toasters systems for real
time FX. One still has to render many of the
DVE style effects the Toaster can do on the
"modern" NLE packages I've had to use.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 15 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Tronman on 06-Feb-2004 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Nate Downes):
Hiya

For what its worth, I worked at a place in Burbank, in 2000, that
built up systems equipped with Toaster2 PCI cards. They were hot for
the time, like single or dual Pentium 600 PeeCees, with PC133 RAM, and
of course were all SCSIfast/wide. These boxes couldn't do anything
that a 1.2GHz G4 with Altivec couldn't do-except for choke on Win2K of
course ;-)

Of course the effects couldn't render in realtime, but why couldn't a
single GHz class G4 (using Altivec of course) handle it if a single
GHz class Athlon could do so?

Keep in mind that comparing what an x86 box can do and saying 'oh the
Peg (or A1) couldn't do that!' isn't always a fair comparison. PPC is
much more efficient, clock for clock, plus it has the Altivec option.
I think an original Peg could make a very useful system for this.

Its a moot point though, since analog video is going away soon. And
for the average consumer to wedding video photographer, a firewire
based solution will look and work better anyway-way fewer cables, no
timebase to worry about, no analog signal degradation and so on.
Digital is the way to go.

Now all we need is a firewire stack ;-)
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 16 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Feb-2004 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Tronman):
Hey, some of us are using SDI, you know.

Firewire sucks ;-)
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 17 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 06-Feb-2004 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Roaster):
>How hard would it be to code software that
>would allow a more modern computer to control
>the switcher so one could feed and control the
>Amiga Toaster from Windoz or Mac OS. One could

It shouldn't be difficult. NewTek already did
this back in the day for Macintosh users. There
was a linking kit that allowed the Mac to control
the Toaster.

As for comparing the Toaster2000/4000's realtime
fx to rendering ones on new computers, there's
a huge difference in quality. The Toaster has
low quality DVE's. Unless I was doing something
live, I'd probably not use the Toaster.

The composite only i/o was always a drawback too.
The SVHS add-on boards helped but component &
firewire would have been better. The Broadcaster
Elite offered a breakout box with component.
The DraCo offered composite/SVHS/DV.

Open source for the Amiga Toaster could allow
some ambitious programmers to make the Toaster
turn out some new tricks.

Jaeson K.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 18 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Roaster on 06-Feb-2004 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Jaeson Koszarsky):
Quite true about the DVE effects being lower
quality than rendered. However, as I live switcher
the old skool Toaster would still ROCK. I don't
know how cheap conventional live switching gear
has gotten, but I imagine one could pick up a
working 3.1 Toaster 2000 set-up (with a at least
one TBC) much cheaper. I think that would allow
switching between at least 2 live (analog) sources.

As for R/T transcoding analog to DV, there is always
Dazzle (or some other analog to Firewire DV bridge).
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 19 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 06-Feb-2004 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Tronman):
It isn't the CPU that's the issue, it's the PCI bus that is.
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 20 of 21ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 06-Feb-2004 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Jaeson Koszarsky):
Hey some of thbe add on DVE effects like Pyromania looked pretty hot. I should know I made them! :)
Amiga Video Toaster Flyer open sourced : Comment 21 of 21ANN.lu
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