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[Motd] MOTD 6/Feb/2004ANN.lu
Posted on 06-Feb-2004 12:45 GMT by Christian Kemp (Edited on 2004-02-06 13:46:00 GMT by Christian Kemp)89 comments
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Some of you might be aware that I signed a full-time employment contract with Genesi S.à.r.l. in Luxembourg to start December 15th 2003. I didn't make an official announcement on ANN because I didn't plan (and expect) it to change anything as far as ANN was/is concerned. I spent most of January 2004 telecommuting from the United States, but unfortunately, not everything worked out the way I had expected it to, and yesterday I handed in my resignation with Genesi. Next Monday, I will be starting at a new job in Luxembourg. Once more, this should not influence ANN in any major way, except that my available time might be more limited, and I will probably not be able to do any moderations or updates during the day.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 1 of 89ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insult
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 2 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Bratwurst on 06-Feb-2004 11:51 GMT
Good luck with your new job.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 3 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 06-Feb-2004 11:52 GMT
Christian,

I am somewhat curious about this statement.
1. You have made comments about none payment of advertising by your site on behalf of Genesi.
2. Clearly you were cited as having helped ship Peg2's before Xmas (but not cited at the time as an employee AFAIR)
3. Not stating your employement by Genesi brings into question your role, and the role of your site, and its possible consequences regarding being from from political interference.
4. Are you trying to muddy the waters, or draw a line under the episode, because if its the latter, I am probably not going to be alone in asking questions about what the heck is going on?

AdmV
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 4 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Harold Shipman GP on 06-Feb-2004 11:54 GMT
Genesi are going bankrupt and Kemp is covering up the truth by making up stories.

Kemp tell us the truth - we have a right to know.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 5 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 06-Feb-2004 11:55 GMT
Good luck in your new job, pal!
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 6 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 06-Feb-2004 12:02 GMT
Christian, good luck with your new job. Focus on that 100% and let Christophe and Teemu mind ANN for a while. It sounds like you have your priorities straight!

Ignore any anonymous trolls and impertinent or stupid questions in this thread. :)

I hope nothing changes and ANN stays a place where MorphOS and AROS and alternative computer systems and any other working, released OS may be covered and discussed freely, within certain broad limits of truthfulness and responsible behavior.

Things happen with employment and companies and there is not always a villainous boss or employee at fault, sometimes you just have to accept it and go on to the next thing which is what it sounds like you are doing. Go for it!
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 7 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Feb-2004 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Daniel Miller):
"I hope nothing changes and ANN stays a place where MorphOS and AROS and alternative computer systems and any other working, released OS may be covered and discussed freely, within certain broad limits of truthfulness and responsible behavior."

Priceless. So any unreleased OS cannot be discussed freely, and has no broad limits of truthfulness or responsible behaviour required? ;-)

@Joe Get a fucking life.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 8 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 06-Feb-2004 12:06 GMT
Good luck for your new job, Christian!
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 9 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 06-Feb-2004 12:12 GMT
Good luck for you new job :-)
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 10 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 06-Feb-2004 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (ikir):
ehm "your" new job! :-P
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 11 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by hnl_dk on 06-Feb-2004 12:13 GMT
Good luck with you new job :O)

Hope the best for you

Best regards,
Henning Nielsen Lund
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 12 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 06-Feb-2004 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
> 1. You have made comments about none payment of advertising by your site on
> behalf of Genesi.

Genesi has now paid for the duration the banner was running.


> 2. Clearly you were cited as having helped ship Peg2's before Xmas (but not
> cited at the time as an employee AFAIR)

My employment with Genesi was mentioned by BBRV in the forums. It was also mentioned on my personal homepage since sometime in January. (I'm not sure when I uploaded it.)

> 3. Not stating your employement by Genesi brings into question your role, and
> the role of your site, and its possible consequences regarding being from from
> political interference.

There never was any political interference. ANN was never part of any employment contract, and I've always run ANN independently of any advertisers or employers.

I've always hoped that my word is enough on that subject, and to those who don't believe that nothing I can say or do is going to change anything.


> 4. Are you trying to muddy the waters, or draw a line under the episode,
> because if its the latter, I am probably not going to be alone in asking
> questions about what the heck is going on?

My relationship with Genesi is over, and I'm trying to draw a line under the episode without spreading any further bad blood. Frankly, the experience was a frustrating one for me, but for me to go into any other details in public at this point in time seems counter-productive.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 13 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by hnl_dk on 06-Feb-2004 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (hnl_dk):
Ups ... just did the same thing as ikir ;O)

[you, should have been your]
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 14 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 06-Feb-2004 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
First Wayne, now Christian... Well, this sure is going to get the rumours started. :-P

Though, I would like to distance myself from such rumor mungoring. I'm merely stating a probable scenario when considering the information that has been made available to the public. Hopefully we will know wether these events actually has any relation with each other or not when the time is right.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 15 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 06-Feb-2004 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
So what's the new job? Anything exciting? :-D
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 16 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 06-Feb-2004 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Matt Parsons):
http://www.ckemp.com/?get=work :)
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 17 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 06-Feb-2004 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
Thanks for taking time out to answer that.

I was'nt questioning your honesty, as I take what you have said to be straight. My curiosity was more for what went on behind the scenes. I'm glad they paid up for your banner, and good luck on the new job

AdmV
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 18 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gadd on 06-Feb-2004 12:44 GMT
Good luck with your new job in Luxembourg.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 19 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 06-Feb-2004 12:55 GMT
Have fun where you're going!!!
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 20 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 06-Feb-2004 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
BTW, where's my manners? Good luck with your new job, you lucky sod! ;-)
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 21 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by another Chris on 06-Feb-2004 13:00 GMT
> I didn't make an official announcement on ANN because I didn't plan (and
> expect) it to change anything as far as ANN was/is concerned.

Hi Christian,

isn't it strange that you decided to more or less hide your relationship with Genesi when you got the job and now losing the job, you literally send TV spots on prime time "letting the world now".

Just wondering.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 22 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by another Chris on 06-Feb-2004 13:04 GMT
> Genesi has now paid for the duration the banner was running.

It would be more than fair to have this "trivial" information on the mainpage of ANN for a couple of day at the same place the banner was before to repair any demage that you've done to Genesi's reputation with the former statement of not receiving payment from them.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 23 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Bratwurst on 06-Feb-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (another Chris):
Genesi damaged their own reputation by not paying as promised. AFAIK, Christian patiently waited some months. Now they have only fullfilled some of their obligations.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 24 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 06-Feb-2004 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (another Chris):
He did not damage Genesi. You should look at the facts. His website could have been damaged, lost money, if you care to see whom was wronged, then perhaps your warped sense of justice needs recalibrating.

AdmV
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 25 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 06-Feb-2004 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Christian Kemp):
>>I've always hoped that my word is enough on that subject

your word is gold with me. I say this because, you did run ann.lu quite independently and you always have.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 26 of 89ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 27 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Feb-2004 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Starting fridaynight early I see
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 28 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by pug on 06-Feb-2004 14:14 GMT
Well selling pegs for 299 bucks aint gonna help you buck...
bye bye buck you won`t be missed.
Christian good luck in the new job.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 29 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by DB on 06-Feb-2004 14:18 GMT
Good luck with the new [paid] job.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 30 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by pug on 06-Feb-2004 14:20 GMT
Well selling Terons for nearly 1000 bucks aint gonna help you Redhouse...
bye bye Redhouse you won`t be missed.
Christian good luck in the new job.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 31 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by pug on 06-Feb-2004 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (pug):
Seem to be a lot of spoofing by the MorphOS clan lately
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 32 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by pug on 06-Feb-2004 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (pug):
Seem to be a lot of spoofing by the AmigaOS clan lately
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 33 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by pug on 06-Feb-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (pug):
LOL... upset someone me thinks... LOL
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 34 of 89ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 32 (pug):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Flooding
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 35 of 89ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 32 (pug):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Flooding
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 36 of 89ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 32 (pug):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Flooding
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 37 of 89ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 36 (pug):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Flooding
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 38 of 89ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 36 (pug):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Flooding
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 39 of 89ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Follow up to trolling
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 40 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Feb-2004 14:33 GMT
Seems some crap never goes away here. Troll city.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 41 of 89ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 39 (hooligan/dcs):
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 42 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by porneL on 06-Feb-2004 14:53 GMT
Christian, are you going to give/sell genesi.lu domain to Genesi?

[ http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=genesi.lu&do_search=Search ]
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 43 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 06-Feb-2004 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
Sad to see Amiga community going down, down, down...
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 44 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 06-Feb-2004 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (porneL):
I've been administrative contact for over a year, a long time before I signed any contract with Genesi; owing to a special arrangement at the time. Apart from sending in the domain registration form and I think having the DNS changed once to point to Genesi's new server (?), quite a few months ago, I didn't have any contact with the domain.

(And to pre-empt any questions on why genesi.lu isn't available right now: I don't know. Wasn't me.)
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 45 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 06-Feb-2004 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Christian Kemp):
And if I wasn't perfectly clear: I have no intention of "owning" Genesi.lu, or being administrative contact any longer than it takes for Genesi to do the necessary to change this to someone else.
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 46 of 89ANN.lu
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: trolling
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 47 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 06-Feb-2004 15:36 GMT
Good luck Christian!
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 48 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Kold666 on 06-Feb-2004 15:52 GMT
It has been 2 years I sold my amiga, but the situation hasn't changed a lot...
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 49 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Targhan on 06-Feb-2004 15:53 GMT
Good luck Christian!
MOTD 6/Feb/2004 : Comment 50 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by J. Thomas on 06-Feb-2004 16:57 GMT
Goof luck for your new Job and thank you for you commitment in ANN! :)
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