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| Posted on 16-Feb-2004 15:14 GMT by Mikey C | 41 comments
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Announcement from North East Amiga User Group UK:
This coming Saturday, 21st of February will be the first time that the AmigaOne MiniATX Boards are to go on public sale at our AmigaOS4 Beta Demonstration Event. Note that these are the pre-production versions as mentioned on the Eyetech Website.
Alan Redhouse will be in attendance along with these boards. The number of boards for sale will be limited and we anticipate a high demand.
Cash payment only will be accepted on the day and will be sold strictly on a first come, first served basis.
- The price for each board will be confirmed soon
Alongside this will be latest AmigaOS4 Public Demonstration and Total Amiga Magazine will be in attendance too!.
Admission is free. For more information, please visit our website at http://www.neaug-os4.2ya.com
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 1 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Nate Downes on 16-Feb-2004 14:20 GMT | | How much? |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 2 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Feb-2004 14:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (Nate Downes):
50 pence and a packet of grapes. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 3 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Feb-2004 14:28 GMT | >Cash payment only will be accepted on the day
They'll take your money and run?
Well, I would do that if I'd continue to sell that buggy Articia S with problematic VIA 686B... |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 4 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Magic2k4 on 16-Feb-2004 14:28 GMT | | I need someone to hold my hand i think im going to faint! |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 5 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Peter Gordon on 16-Feb-2004 14:35 GMT | Its called Mini-ITX, you know :)
Also, remember that whatever the cost of these boards are, they are not the production board and so i'd imagine they cost more and have slightly less functionality than the final one...
Plus these ones don't qualify for the earlybird offer. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 6 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mikey C on 16-Feb-2004 14:36 GMT | Please Note that the boards are actually Mini-ITX and not ATX as is originally stated
Mikey C |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 7 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Lando on 16-Feb-2004 14:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (Nate Downes):
>How much?
Well, the top-of-the-range Via Mini-itx board (with 1Ghz nehemiah, DDR support, PCMCIA slot, CompactFlash slot, 10/100 LAN, USB 2.0, Firewire, S-Video TV Out, AC97 Audio etc) is £135+ VAT fron linitx.com (the cheapest, Epia 5000, is £61).
I'd be willing to pay another 40% for the traditional "Amiga obscurity tax" (even though we were told that those days were over when we moved to "mainstream hardware"), but if it's anything over £170-£180 then I don't see it being a success. This is meant to be the A500 of The New Amiga range, after all. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 8 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Magic2k4 on 16-Feb-2004 15:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (Lando):
Lando wtf you care your a mos lover |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 9 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mikey C on 16-Feb-2004 15:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 8 (Magic2k4):
Oh no.
Another pointless A1 vs Peg 300+ comment thread coming up :(
Mikey C |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 10 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by XraalE on 16-Feb-2004 15:17 GMT | | I like the idea of such a small and neat board but I'm not paying Amiga Inc's name tax when I'm not interested in OS4 any more. It would be ideal of another PPC micro ATX board appeared, one without licences and without Articia. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 11 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by XraalE on 16-Feb-2004 15:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (XraalE):
Er, ITX. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 12 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darth_X on 16-Feb-2004 15:32 GMT | http://www.eyetech.co.uk/addbar.php?Address=/NEWS/PREPR003.HTM
"We have had this small run produced so that dealers have a product to show their potential industrial customers now, and gain feedback on the exact functionality - and particularly the enhanced I/O capabilities - required in their respective target marketplace. In addition, several individual developers have asked to purchase a board ahead of the official volume release in order to port utilities or applications ready for the launch. Developers will be able to buy these boards via Amigaone Main dealers" |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 14 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by bobsonsirjonny on 16-Feb-2004 15:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (Darth_X):
Sadly the UK A1 dealer, steller dreams is unable to make it to the show. As a result Alan offered to bring some machines for sale to the show, as there has been interest from people wanting to buy them. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 15 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by itix on 16-Feb-2004 17:05 GMT | | Is MicroA1 going to run OS4 beta in the show? |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 16 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Feb-2004 17:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 12 (Darth_X):
"We have had this small run produced so that dealers have a product to show their potential industrial customers now..."
What's Alan smoking this time? Why does he try so hard to appear completely clueless every time he opens his mouth?
An "industrial customer" would do like Eyetech - buy their Teron Mini boards directly from a manufacturer and/or license the design from Mai. Eyetech doesn't add any value, rather the opposite, and Eyetech themselves are an "industrial customer".
It even looks like he thinks "industrial customers" will buy from *Eyetech's dealers*! While he's hard at the crackpipe, he could just as well go one step further down the chain and suggest that these industrial customers will buy their Terons from the end user suckers who bought theirs as "AmigaOnes"! |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 17 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Feb-2004 18:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (bobsonsirjonny):
>Sadly the UK A1 dealer, steller dreams is unable to make it to the show.
I did not think there was an A1 UK dealer anymore, do they have a web site? |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 18 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Magic2k4 on 16-Feb-2004 18:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Darth_X):
Up Yours:)! |
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| Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Feb-2004 19:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 10 (XraalE):
Well, i'm afraid then that, for now, you're out of luck mate, i don't know any other makers of ppc boards of this size.
Cheers |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 22 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Don Cox on 16-Feb-2004 20:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
"An "industrial customer" would do like Eyetech - buy their Teron Mini boards directly from a manufacturer and/or license the design from Mai. Eyetech doesn't add any value, rather the opposite, and Eyetech themselves are an "industrial customer"."
They are also the European distributor for MAI. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 23 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Feb-2004 21:25 GMT | "These MicroA1 boards are not on sale to the general public I'm afraid.
We have had a limited number of evaluation/development units built for:
- dealers to demo to industrial customers (eg kiosk builders etc),
- major integrators themselves (eg the kiosk builders)
- application and driver software developers (eg the people who write the authoring tools for kiosk systems).
And before anyone misinterprets the above I'm using the term 'kiosk systems' to represent any suitable vertical market - and there are many.
If there is anyone at the North East show that can convince me that the fall in one of these catagories then they can buy a board there and then, or order one for subsequent delivery.
Only a few of these pre-production boards bave been made so their cost will obviously be significantly more expensive than the target price of the volume production boards. But we hope and believe that the software and commercial opportunities that can be opened up using them will allow us all to hit the decks running from a sales standpoint when the low* price volume production boards become available.
The currently available boards do not have the soldered-on memory nor the 'extended I/O' connector (an extension of the PCI bus) of the production boards, but our market research shows that many volume applications will not ever need these facilities. This is not Windows or even Linux, its OS4 we are talking about here. Does anyone on this list actually believe that a basic MicroA1 (with a Radeon 7x00 graphics chipset & 256MB) booting OS4 and applications off a flash card couldn't do an infinitely better job than all those expensive, very jerky, Windows driven 'multimedia' screens popping up in all our (UK) sub-postoffices at the moment? It is just these sort of areas where the volume market for the MicroA1 lies.
The upside is that Amiga users will be able to use the same low* cost hardware either as it stands, or with enhanced I/O (USB2.0, IEE1394, Gigabit ethernet, RAID) and/or up to 3 PCI slots.
(Incidently the cased units that we have had made will run of a single 12v power supply as well, so you could stick one in the car glove box - assuming that you wear big gloves of course).
If that doesn't suit you then just buy the AmigaOne-XE desktop sytem instead and choose your own peripherals.
These (A1XE's) will be on sale to the general public next weekend.
Cheers
Alan" |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 24 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Feb-2004 21:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> The currently available boards do not have the soldered-on memory nor
> the 'extended I/O' connector (an extension of the PCI bus) of the production
> boards
So it is as I guessed, PCI. I wonder when the redesign of the motherboard for this extra connector will be ready, and how on earth they will squeeze it in to that already compact design? I also wonder how they will incorporate USB2.0, IEE1394, Gigabit ethernet, RAID on a single PCI card (with custom slot/connector design) and how up to 3 PCI slots *in addition* to this will be achieved without the 2x11 pin riser card slot? I also wonder what the price of this custom "enhanced I/O" card will be? And what the price of the A1 Lite itself will be? And what kind of NorthBridge will be used?
Well, I guess we might know someday ...
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 25 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 16-Feb-2004 23:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
"Does anyone on this list actually believe that a basic MicroA1 (with a Radeon 7x00 graphics chipset & 256MB) booting OS4 and applications off a flash card couldn't do an infinitely better job than all those expensive, very jerky, Windows driven 'multimedia' screens popping up in all our (UK) sub-postoffices at the moment? It is just these sort of areas where the volume market for the MicroA1 lies."
Infinitely better job depends on stability. No amiga implementation I seen so far is better then Linux in stability. Linux and BSD rules here and thats why they are used in all servers. Amiga crashes but Linux dont! Linux and BSD is safe and stable but amiga is not! Even Windows can crash but not as often as Amiga! A post ofice kiosk can not crash and not can ATM machines! That make headlines in all newspapers! What you want is stable OS with proper micro kernel like QNX - and MorphOS when its core components is properly implemented out from a-box into direct Quark micro kernel control. Micro kernel is the best for kiosk that can not crash. Others stable are Linux and BSD. Not Amiga! And low cost Via Epia, not expensive and buggy Articia! |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 26 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 17-Feb-2004 00:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
ATM's can't crash?!? *LOL*
You've never seen the Windows-desktop on an ATM I guess...
I've managed to crash ATM's on several occations. |
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| Posted by sutro on 17-Feb-2004 00:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
>Even Windows can crash but not as often as Amiga!
It's prety amazing how fast some forget. Or maybe you've never used an Amiga at all ? (one not running mcp, that is)
> What you want is stable OS with proper micro kernel like QNX - and MorphOS when its core components is properly implemented out from a-box into direct Quark micro kernel control. Micro kernel is the best for kiosk that can not crash. Others stable are Linux and BSD. Not Amiga!
Are you implying that just because MorphOS is "based" on a "micro-kernel" logic it doesn't crash ? Gee, a MorphOS powered NASA mission to Mars is a matter of time !! |
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| Posted by Darth_X on 17-Feb-2004 00:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Magic2k4):
Now that was just rude.
Behave please. |
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| Posted by Janne on 17-Feb-2004 07:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Come on... We all have our differing opinions on the AmigaOne/Teron licensing arrangement and the Articia issues, but I don't think what Alan is saying here is all that unreasonable. Eyetech has a history of providing solutions to industrial customers in the UK, info kiosks etc. They have the references, the know-how and soon a new product to base their solutions on,If I were an "industrial customer" in the UK looking for a partner to provide info kiosks, I know I would much prefer doing business with a proven local solution provider that has local experience and past successes in the UK, than some obscure hardware manufacturer gazillion miles away...Please, let us at least stop the mindless partisan trashing that seems to crop up every time there are some good news for either side. |
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| Posted by Don Cox on 17-Feb-2004 09:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
"Infinitely better job depends on stability. No Amiga implementation I seen so far is better then Linux in stability. Linux and BSD rules here and thats why they are used in all servers. Amiga crashes but Linux dont! "
But Amigas have a long history of use in kiosk applications, since before Linux was invented. Some have been in use in museums for many years. The responsiveness of AmigaOS is important here.
AFAIK there is no precise definition of a "micro-kernel", but one typical feature is that the hardware drivers are outside the kernel, as they are in the Amiga OS. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 31 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by ujb on 17-Feb-2004 09:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (Nate Downes):
EUR 719.- in Germany incl. VAT. according to amiga-news.de.
Well, that price gives me somehow a bitter taste. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 32 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 17-Feb-2004 10:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
LOL, funny post, now, did you know that one of the things Eyetech do (or used to do?) are exactly kioskboxes, and in the past these were Amiga based.
Cheers |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 33 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Bobsonsirjonny on 17-Feb-2004 10:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (ujb):
That works out at roughly £530 - well we can only speculate as to the price, but if that is the case, Alan did say that the mass produced boards would be significantly cheaper than these developer boards. |
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| Posted by Lando on 17-Feb-2004 16:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (ujb):
That must be the price for 3 boards, surely? That would make them about £176 each, which sounds about right. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 35 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by smithy on 17-Feb-2004 16:38 GMT | http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1225
Apparently the boards won't be on sale any more (I'm very confused here as I have the original email from Alan saying they would be!).
Anyway, it seems the AmigaOne XE will be on sale on Saturday instead.
But personally, I'd just buy a Pegasos instead (and I did). </flamebait> |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 36 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Nate Downes on 17-Feb-2004 22:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (ujb):
That would make it 10% more expensive than the A1-G3.
Ouch. |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 37 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ole-Egil on 18-Feb-2004 11:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Nate Downes):
Well, what do you expect from a production run with a price "considerably more expensive than the target price"? (more or less direct quote from above)
Duh.
If A > B, and A = X, then the only thing you know about B is that it is less than X. You have NOT defined a lower limit. Speculation is still bloody useless ;-) |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 18-Feb-2004 14:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 31 (ujb):
> EUR 719.- in Germany incl. VAT. according to amiga-news.de.
I would be interested in this product if it came at a third of this price, provided that there will be another NorthBridge than the ArticiaS (however, based on the ArticiaS experiences I don't trust MAI's competence and ability anymore, but I would be willing to take the chance with a product based on a *new* NorthBridge from them, if it's sold at a third of this price). |
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| Posted by zylesea on 18-Feb-2004 15:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 38 (takemehomegrandma):
Well, I don´t know why the price is set to such a high level.
But anyway, sometime ago the question arose how much a ppc processor costs.
For the MC7447RX867NB (G4 Apollo) is available for 101.08 US$ @ 733 Mhz and the
MC7447RX1267LB (G4 Apollo) for 272.91 US$ @ 1267 Mhz. |
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| Posted by pixie on 18-Feb-2004 17:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 36 (Nate Downes):
Ouch! They came with Radeon gfx, that while it may not be so costy, it may well deserve that 10% tag... |
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| World Exclusive: AmigaOne MiniATX Boards On SALE! : Comment 41 of 41 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eric_S on 18-Feb-2004 20:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (Ole-Egil):
Not to mention that the prcie includes 256MB RAM, and of course the onboard 32 MB 7000 Radeon and CMI sound chip. |
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