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[News] Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit?ANN.lu
Posted on 20-Feb-2004 16:15 GMT by Stephane Desrosiers57 comments
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There's a news item posted by Kees stating that Genesi won its lawsuit. http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3211 States: "News reached us that Genesi won the amiga lawsuit, although it has not been confirmed yet by either party. We will keep you posted." Is it real? What happens next? What is their source?
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 1 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 20-Feb-2004 15:17 GMT
Whatever this means new flame storms are rising again.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 2 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by news on 20-Feb-2004 15:22 GMT
morphos-news.de also covers the story. Not much there, either.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 3 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 20-Feb-2004 15:22 GMT
There's a news item posted by Kees stating that Genesi won its lawsuit. http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3211 States: "News reached us that Genesi won the amiga lawsuit, although it has not been confirmed yet by either party. We will keep you posted." Is it real? What happens next? What is their source?
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Yes it is real - I just finished getting off the phone after leaving a VM message with Judge Lasnik's Judicial Assisstant after talking to a clerk concerning this matter.

I'm waiting to have documents faxed over to me.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 4 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2004 15:40 GMT
And if Genbesi now damages OS4 or AmigaOne I'll NEVER buy anything which has something to do with Gnesi Morphos or Pegasos, I'll shit inside every Pegasos I see etc :P
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 5 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by zylesea on 20-Feb-2004 15:43 GMT
well, congrats to Genesi. But what does that mean? For genesi, for A Inc.?
/[ujb]
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 6 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 20-Feb-2004 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
And if they'll won't, you will buy ? ;-]
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 7 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 20-Feb-2004 15:47 GMT
So Genesi won the right to see the source code to Intent Verson 1? Woo Hoo!

But, couldn't they have just gone to Tao and got the Intent 2 source code anyway?
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 8 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2004 15:48 GMT
Well, the Genesi boys are already putting a spin on this.

Also the judge apparently failed to understand that they cannot give source access to intent. And AmigaDE is not an operating system - it's a content engine. So what did they really get?

Let's see what happens over the next couple of days after people are done shouting that they know what's going on. I doubt much will happen actually.
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 20-Feb-2004 15:53 GMT
From what I gather, the source is a Genesi employee. Can't disclose who though, sorry.
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Posted by Lando on 20-Feb-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>So what did they really get?

"including source code access to the licensed Amiga operating system and the full use of the Amiga trademarks."
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Posted by Remco Komduur on 20-Feb-2004 16:21 GMT
Hmmmm....it's just for AmigaDE. Something I never could be bothered about anyway.

This has nothing to do with OS 4 so no problemo.
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Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 13 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-Feb-2004 16:35 GMT
This is not news and it’s not confirmed, firstly it has no link or references to any rolling what so ever, not even on the main source http://MorphOS-News.de, or secondary source www.amiga.org that link back to main conspiracy site, there are no official statements from ether party, secondly the case where about Intent not about AmigaOS from what I remember from previous post here at ANN.LU, and if turn out to be true, then we can expect to se retrial, they can not expect to just take over whit out paying for the right to intellectual property, it’s piracy.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 14 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 20-Feb-2004 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Remco Komduur):
>>This has nothing to do with OS 4 so no problemo.

I think most people would agree that Amiga DE has been dead for a long time.
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Posted by Amigans In Black on 20-Feb-2004 16:43 GMT
This is truly wonderful day, McEwen will probably end up in jail for all his crimes. It's just a shame the UK will not exradite Barry for his crimes.

We have turned the corner, my brothers. With Amiga Inc finally being shut down, and Pegasos/MorphOS taking it's rightful place as the next generation Amiga we can finally move forward and put all this nonsense behind us.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 16 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 20-Feb-2004 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Kjetil):
This is a Genesi press release which has been posted to morphos-news.de (just like other press releases in the past). There's no need for further "links" or "references" - we know where this comes from.

Regarding "AmigaOS" and "access to all trademarks": We all know what they *really* mean, and we all know that they like to play games like that.
No need to get upset...
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 17 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 20-Feb-2004 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Amigans In Black):
>>and Pegasos/MorphOS taking it's rightful place as the next generation Amiga

Yeah, if your idea of a next gen Amiga is a settop box that processes Visa card transactions...
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 18 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2004 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Amigans In Black):
MorphOS still doesn't have anything to do with Amiga other than legacy compatibility. Dream on boy.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 19 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by A1 Wayne Dresing fan in the world! on 20-Feb-2004 16:53 GMT
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-514016.html?legacy=zdnn

The Amiga hit home with users. "The phrase that best describes it is 'elegance through simplicity,' " says Wayne Dresing, a legendary "Amigan" known throughout the Amiga universe as Fleecy Moss. "They had the power of the computer revolution combined with the simplicity of household and consumer-electronic appliances."
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Posted by Janne on 20-Feb-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Kjetil):
>they can not expect to just take over whit out paying for the right to
>intellectual property, it’s piracy.

Who said anything about not paying? According to the agreement Genesi would like to enforce, they'd have to pay Amiga Inc. royalties for any units shipped with AmigaDE.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 21 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Feb-2004 17:37 GMT
Well it was about the freaking time. Hooray for american lawsystem.
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Posted by Man in the shadows on 20-Feb-2004 18:00 GMT
Not that I have anything constructive to add to this conversation but taken at face value this really just pisses me off!! My only question is just exactly how far is genisis going to take this? What's their motive?? When a contract has been broken you have all the right to stand up for yourself and that's what they did. Fine. But what's their next step??

What really cracks me up is for all the talk of "our OS is better than your OS" or "this is they it should have been done" or "your the part were the future" they NEVER miss a chance to LEACH off the Amiga community (web sites, publicity, developers, software, shows...) at every chance they get. They sell themselves as the TRUE Amiga but without the name at EVRERY chance they get.

Genisis if your so FREEK'n great how about prove it?? Take what you have and prove that you’re better!! If not all you are is some Amiga clone/wantabee and that's all you'll EVER be!! So far I'm not impressed and I don't think I ever will be. I'll keep an open mind but it's hard to when in the back of my mind I know that you have done is copy what was out there and make some improvements.

Please prove me wrong?? I have faith in Amiga and Hyperion not because they better than genisis. That I could NEVER prove!! But rather they are Amiga by default they are the next step in Amiga's future. Like it or hate it they’re it.

Now it looks like that have some legal claim to the name that they say they really don't care about in the first place. So what is it? Do you want to be known as an Amiga clone or not?? Now before heads start to roll we all need to hear the specifics. I'll be waiting.
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Posted by smithy on 20-Feb-2004 18:06 GMT
Congratulations Genesi. I wonder what's going to happen next. I suppose Genesi will release a more detailed statement soon.
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Posted by smithy on 20-Feb-2004 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Man in the shadows):
>But rather they are Amiga by default they are the next step in Amiga's future.
>Like it or hate it they’re it.

Nomatter how you spin it, or how nicely you put it - your argument is still that you support them just because they own the brandname. Thankfully it seems (more Pegasos 2s have been sold than Amiga's coupons), most of us look a little deeper.
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Posted by Cosmo on 20-Feb-2004 18:13 GMT
One word: rape.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 26 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 20-Feb-2004 18:18 GMT
As the losing party, Amiga Inc will have to pay Genesi's legal fees for the case.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 27 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 20-Feb-2004 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (hooligan/dcs):
The battle of the Titans :)

Probably the most useless lawsuit ever. One weak company "bringing down" which is probably an even weaker company. What a victory :) Hooray!

Genesi should have used the money to pay the people working for them instead. Or shock horror, invest it in software development to create a truly good high quality program for their MorphOs system (for example a web browser, a word processing program,...)

But then again, maybe i'm just old-fashioned.

Oh well, it's the "great" world of Amiga.
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Posted by Agima on 20-Feb-2004 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (smithy):
>>As the losing party, Amiga Inc will have to pay Genesi's legal fees for the case.

What country are you from?
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 29 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 20-Feb-2004 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Kjetil):
@Kjetil

"This is not news and it's not confirmed,"

We're not sinking, lalalalala... :)
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Posted by Rich Woods on 20-Feb-2004 18:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Kjetil):
Posted by Kjetil (80.212.207.186) on 20-Feb-2004 17:35:24

This is not news and it's not confirmed, firstly it has no link or references to any rolling what so ever, not even on the main source http://MorphOS-News.de, or secondary source www.amiga.org that link back to main conspiracy site, there are no official statements from ether party, secondly the case where about Intent not about AmigaOS from what I remember from previous post here at ANN.LU, and if turn out to be true, then we can expect to se retrial, they can not expect to just take over whit out paying for the right to intellectual property, it's piracy.

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Well it HAS been confirmed as I spoke to the judicial assistant for Judge lasnik.

Take it for what it's worth.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 31 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 20-Feb-2004 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Rich Woods):
First I'd like to say that
until this is
confirmed by a legitimate source and not a
klan of Ainc haters I would take it with a pinch of salt.

You are of course
open to speculate
upon what has been spread around.

Realize though that
information of this sort
can be made up by many of the
hating fans of Amiga Inc.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 32 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 20-Feb-2004 19:10 GMT
Well, congratulations to Genesi, I suppose. But I thought this only meant Genesi
would be "allowed" to *pay* AInc for putting AmigaDE on their hardware? It's all
rather confusing, I must say. The effect on our little universe is not all that
easy to predict...
.
Griatch
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 33 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 20-Feb-2004 19:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Agima):
>> First I'd like to say that
>> until this is confirmed by
>> a legitimate source and not
>> a klan of Ainc haters I
>> would take it with a pinch
>> of salt

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2004-02-00124-EN.html
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 34 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 20-Feb-2004 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (SlimJim):
No, this means that Amiga Inc. would have to *port* AmigaDE (or Intent, to be more precise) to the Pegasos. This is either not possible (if TAO is not willing to port) or will cost money (which Amiga does not have).

Only if Amiga Inc. manages to port AmigaDE to the Pegasos, Genesi will have to pay.
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Posted by ABM$ on 20-Feb-2004 19:23 GMT
I'm going to wait and see how things shake out,
though it may be time for both companies to settle
all there outstanding issues and AGREE TO COOPERATE!!

This whole business has wasted more capital, be it
money, time, or energy. OS 4, in whatever form could've
been out ages ago if some of the money wasted here was
put into software development (instead of this stupid
pissing match between Ainc and Genesi):
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 36 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2004 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
>And AmigaDE is not an operating system - it's a content engine. So what did they really get?

They have put Amiga Inc under financial pressure (make them pay for those lawyers and now for the costs of the trial). A cash-stripped Amiga Inc might be more open to agreeable OS4 licensing terms.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 37 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 20-Feb-2004 20:28 GMT
How will this effect DoomMaster's OS 4 port?
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 38 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 20-Feb-2004 21:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
>They have put Amiga Inc under financial pressure

Ehrm.. what year you are living? :)
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 39 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2004 01:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (hooligan/dcs):
2004?! What do you mean? The laywers did cost several 10,000US$.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 40 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 21-Feb-2004 05:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Man in the shadows):
Uhm, could you use a different nick so people don't get me confused with you. It's not even my writing style or my personal views of this situation. I'll give you points for the mockery though.

perhaps it's time to find a new nick I guess... either that or make this nick a "trusted user" account.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 41 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 21-Feb-2004 07:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
>2004?! What do you mean? The laywers did cost several 10,000US$.

Like if they have money to even pay my electricbill, let alone lawyers... welcome to 2k anyway.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 42 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2004 08:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Amigans In Black):
..pity that 8/10 Amigans dont agree with you.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 43 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 21-Feb-2004 10:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Kjetil):
This was announced on a IRC channel directly after Genesi had been informed about the judgment, all that could be produced as futher information would be a IRC log and a such wouldn't be considered much more worth as proof, at least not by the "Red-Amigans".

Keep in mind that all this has nothing to do with AmigaOS4/AmigaOne and there aren't any point in starting a flamewar, but I fear we will see a lot more hate from some Amigans, instead of trying to cooperate and start joint projects.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 44 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 21-Feb-2004 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Amigans In Black):
You're crap.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 45 of 57ANN.lu
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Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 46 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Mojeesha on 21-Feb-2004 11:31 GMT
Nein, its dangerous. Looks like we need a Michael Moore here to fix things.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 47 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2004 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (hooligan/dcs):
>Like if they have money to even pay my electricbill, let alone lawyers... welcome to 2k anyway.

It doesn't matter if they have money now, whatever this costs adds to the pressure and obligations. It's on the balance sheet, limits options and influences decisions. And it's real costs, not their own imaginary salaries that add up to huge debts.
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 48 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2004 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (ikir):
And you are a BAF!

You lie for AmigaInc for your precious OS4!
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 49 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2004 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Cosmo):
Cosmo, you read the wired article and you know the truth!
Amiga.org NEWS states that Genesi Won Lawsuit? : Comment 50 of 57ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 21-Feb-2004 15:36 GMT
I think you all are nuts, out of touch with reality, stressed out with old worn out tent steaks having lots of fleecy moss stains on the side most used away from the sun light...

a lawsuit was won..... and for those who really don't know what it is about....

Its about money...the corporate financial status of two companies....and their future potential value.

Amiga Inc..... who the hell really knows....remember the next round of VC is in two weeks... Thank gawd tomorrow never comes for Amiga Inc....or does it?

Genesi.... the more software the runs on their hardware, the higher the probability is to increase sales.

Perhaps in the Genesi case, someone would be kind enough to put together a listing PPC hardware dev/manufactures and make a category for consumer level prices...

Imagine that.... those who preceive a company that is neither developing software or hardware inhouse, but rather just an IP holder and licensor as somehow being in competition with a company who designs and has manufactured PPC hardware.... (and includes a free default OS(s) in the package)

Isn't that something like a tire manufacture being in competition with an auto manufacture???

and both of a SRP higher than the popular competition...

Who needs a stinkin tent?

I'd rather see the stars when I look up in the sky.

Between stuff like this and csam near total lack of usefulness.... cept for trolls....
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