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[Unmoderated] Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed companyANN.lu
Posted on 22-Feb-2004 22:55 GMT by spybot150 comments
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Hermans is going to sue Epic because he can't stand MorphOS See details. Here are some quotes from Hermans from a recent IRC chat:

"They'll reap what they've sowed. Buck really should learn how to use Google."
"Should have messed with us when they still had money to pay banner ads or the employees."
"ask Thomas Steiding from Epic."
"he has to appear in court for breach of contract."
"the port he approved for distribution and which lists him explictly as betatester? ;)"
"Epic is the MorphOS obsessed German gaming company"

Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 101 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Feb-2004 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (batman):
> I suspect that to porting a software (AmigaDE) to an hardware (Smartboy), you
> need a sample of that hardware (smartboy). If Thendic Germany (not affiliated in
> ANY WAY with the bankrupted Thendic France and Genesi) did not give Amiga inc
> that sample for the port, simply there's no breach and Thendic is guilty as
> Ainc... :-)

The issue is not with the SmartBoy (or CashBoy, or whatever was its name), the issue is with the Pegaos: the contract explicitely takes into consideration any "future" product, and says that AInc cannot withhold support for this product without "reasonable" motives. The suit was all about these "reasonable" motives.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 102 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Feb-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (batman):
I asked for it, no one seems willing to post it. Wonder why... ;-)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 103 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (takemehomegrandma):
>> There are no grounds for doing so
>
> Perhaps this is isn't far off:
> http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1077310066&category=forum&number=16#comment
>
> ... or perhaps it is? Anyway, people has always said what you are saying
> now "there are no grounds for doing so", etc, even in the AmigaDE lawsuit,
> and yet it's happening. Do you really think that they would make this
> statement without any grounds? That's not the BBRV way IMHO ...

Or perhaps they are aiming at the fact that assets (sources, trademarks, and other IP rights) was transferred *after* AmigaInc was "on the verge of Bankruptcy", which is "blatantly illigal" according to Ben Hermans?

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1076172906&category=forum&number=39#comment
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 104 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Feb-2004 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (itix):
Yeah sure.

Oh, and futile too.

Buck knows this aal too well.
It seems he's hellbent on finally owning the Amiga name and turning it into a set top box after failing miserably to do so many moons ago.

Lucky Bill "General Failure" Buck is quite incompetent and unable to follow through on his promises.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 105 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Feb-2004 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (takemehomegrandma):
" Perhaps this is isn't far off:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1077310066&category=forum&number=16#comment"

That depends. We have to know the contract between Eyetech/Hyperion/Amiga and the wording of the judgement in the current case, to decide if 13.4.1 affects or not their contract.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 106 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Feb-2004 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Fabio Alemagna):
The complete sentence was:

"Finally, we abandoned the effort because in a world with the likes of Compaq, etc., a Windows CE device running AmigaDE is a bit like pouring alot of water in a good glass of wine."

My quote was:

" ...running AmigaDE is a bit like pouring alot of water in a good glass of wine."

Still as of today, the AmigaDE supports Windows CE devices only. And AFAIK, there is no world without Compaq in existence. In other words, the parts I left out did not effect the meaning of the sentence. Your claim that I would have done something to change the meaning of what he said is rather weak. On top of that, I included a link for reference. If the intent was to take it out of it's context, why would I include a link to the original context? I'm sorry but if anything is mangled, then it's your logic to why some quotes taken out of it's context are wrong, while others are not.

If you want to know what I think, all quotes are ok as long as you provide a reference to the original context. Relying on nothing but your own intuition can be rather hazardous while references tells me that atleast the person writing the quote has sincere intentions.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 107 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 12:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Emeric SH):
No *we* doesn't have to know anything! It's all up to the attorneys and the judge.
;-)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 108 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Feb-2004 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (takemehomegrandma):
"No *we* doesn't have to know anything! It's all up to the attorneys and the judge. "

Negative. There is a ruling, now someone have to apply it. That won't be the judge, nor the attorney, but Genesi. That they apply it right or wrong can be debated only in a second law suit.

I'd like to hear some words from Amiga Inc now. I'm curious. How it was with the link from Genesi pages to Amiga Inc by an AmigaDE logo? What was in the contract about withhelding Amiga marks?

Instead of attacking AmigaOS4 and with that Eyetech/Hyperion (and risking a counter suit in Europe), I'd go for the financial damage caused by the behaviour of Amiga Inc, and forcing them into bankruptsy.

We will see what will happen.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 109 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Feb-2004 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (takemehomegrandma):
You took that post seriously? :D I have to admit I was half talking out of my ass :D
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 110 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 23-Feb-2004 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (T_Bone):
...not that it couldn't happen. :)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 111 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (Emeric SH):
I think this ruling has cleared lots of new ways, both in new business opportunities (for Genesi's own products, and through licensing Amiga name to products from third parties by incorporate Amiga DE on it, like the "Petro's Amiga DEutchland" (which might actually happen, who knows)), and for new judical processes aswell.

I really don't think Genesi is out to kill off OS4 here. AFAIK, Genesi has nothing agains OS4 as such. Genesi is looking to have *all* PPC OS's running on the Pegasos, including OS4 (and AROS, and MorphOS) ...

Think about this: "Hyperion OS 1.0" (or HypeOS? ;-) (sorry, couldn't resist)) might not be a sexy name, but that is how it might become. It would be much sexier if Hyperions OS (perhaps later versions of it?) would incorporate AmigaDE someway and become AmigaOS5 and run on Pegasos hardware! Get my drift?
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 112 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (T_Bone):
I did! :-)

I think it may be several ways to make it happen.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 113 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (takemehomegrandma):
Ha! It seemed that I was right (and they are not trying to kill off OS4)!

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/98063.shtml

:-)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 114 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (T_Bone):
And you were right too! :-)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 115 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Feb-2004 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Fabio Alemagna):
...and since Amiga had no legal representation, it wasn't exactly an achievement to convince the court that they were unreasonable. I mean, they didn't even have the ability to state their reasoning, for crying out loud. Bill McEwan did everything he could, but everything he said was dismissed since it was required of Amiga Inc. to have legal representation.

Genesi's whole case was based on Amiga Inc.'s inability to defend themselves. You see, Bill Buck had recieved the information that Amiga Inc. couldn't afford legal representation from his lawyers, and that's what he was counting on when filing a lawsuit against them. He was surprised and stunned when Bill McEwen actually showed up with lawyer Diana Shukis by his side. However, I don't know how they did it, but somehow they managed to get her out of the way too. Maybe it was just Amiga Inc.'s poor financials, maybe it was something else, I don't know. But atleast we now know why they got so excited the day Diana filed for a request to leave.

Whatever got Diana to leave, Genesi has alot to thank him/her/it for...
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 116 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (samface):
Don't try to bring the attention away from the *fact* that Amiga Inc violated the contract; they have had *PLENTY* of chances and opportunities (for a very long period of time) to proove their case. They failed! That is the only thing that matters, there is no such thing as "but they COULD have won IF things were different", because that did not happen, things are not different! That is only *lame speculations* as the opposite of the *facts* that the court now has provided to us.

You know the differences between *lame speculations* and *facts*, don't you?
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 117 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Feb-2004 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (takemehomegrandma):
There are no "ifs" nor any speculations in there, I was merely concluding that Genesi won the case by schemingly taking advantage of Amiga Inc.'s inability to defend themselves. That's not speculations about what could have happened, that's an analysis of what did happen.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 118 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 23-Feb-2004 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill, please don't bother bringing reason into things. The amusement factor of Buck and Hermans is high, you can never have enough idiots around to bring the discussion boards to life. Watching samface talk about taking something out of context, and doing his "it depends on what the definition of is is" dance, priceless.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 119 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 23-Feb-2004 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (samface):
I was merely concluding that Genesi won the case by schemingly taking advantage of Amiga Inc.'s inability to defend themselves. That's not speculations about what could have happened, that's an analysis of what did happen.

It's an incorrect analysis. Amiga, Inc. didn't lose the case "by default" because they didn't have legal representation in the final stages. This can never the basis for losing such a case under U.S. corporate law; the judge determines the outcome on the basis of the information presented to him by the two sides. Throughout most of the time the suit was being argued, Amiga, Inc. did have legal representation. A significant, and apparently sufficient, amount of information was presented to enable the judge to make a decision. He decided on the merits of the case. He is not permitted to decide on any other basis. The fact that Amiga, Inc. lost its lawyers toward the end was not a significant factor, apparently.

-- gary_c
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 120 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Feb-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (takemehomegrandma):
Here's a fact for you, this is taken from a conversation I had with BBRV over e-mail:

--- 8< ---

>>> Bill works from home and cannot even afford legal counsel.

...

>> Is this a fact or your impression of their current situation?
>
> This is fact according to our lawyers.

--- >8 ---

Yes, I have permission to publish this from BBRV themselves. You can read more about this conversation here:

http://www.mindrelease.net/genesi/

As you can see, it is a *fact* that BBRV was counting on Amiga Inc.'s inability to defend themselves.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 121 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Feb-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (gary_c):
actually gary here's a nice read for you ... If a judge requires a lawyer it's the same as not showing up to court therefore you can default...


http://www.courts.wa.gov/court_rules/?fa=court_rules.display&group=sup&set=CR&ruleid=supcr55
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 122 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 23-Feb-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Eva):
But who need an Os that is still in alpha an 3 years late compared to Mos ... only 3-4 "name obsessed ppl" ("Morphos is not Amiga os because it don't have the name AMiga whoooowhoooo")

whoooooooo! It seems that's your mentor who wants it...
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 123 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 23-Feb-2004 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (gary_c):
Here is what got dismissed because they had no legal representation:

http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/show_case_doc_41,16781,0,MAGIC,0,1.pdf
http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic/show_case_doc_41,16781,1,MAGIC,0,1.pdf

If this would have had impact on the outcome or not is of course something we can only speculate about. However, it's still rather appearant that Genesi was counting on Amiga Inc.'s inability to defend themselves since it all boiled down to something as trivial as Amiga Inc.'s inability to motivate their denial of Thendic-France request to expand the AmigaDE license. Any "reasonable" motive would have sufficed.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 124 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Feb-2004 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (samface):
Come on Sammy, I thought you wanted to be objective?

You know for a fact that just contradicted your original comments.

That's makes you "an idiot" ;-)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 125 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (gary_c):
> Throughout most of the time the suit was being argued, Amiga, Inc. did have
> legal representation. A significant, and apparently sufficient, amount of
> information was presented to enable the judge to make a decision.

Exactly. But Bill McEwen totally neglected the court, he didn't attend when ordered to, etc. Amiga Inc was given SEVERAL chances to resolve the situation, but they didn't, they got more extended time to try to resolve it, but they didn't. Somewhere one has to draw a line, especially when people and companies are being hurt. Amiga Inc also lost lots of other cases (was it 9?) and a lot more trials seems to be coming in their direction. Amiga inc was screwed over a year ago, and they still are. But that is not Genesi's fault. Genesi is one of them who took damage from Amiga Inc's ways ...
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 126 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 23-Feb-2004 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (pixie):
Poor Pixie, another poor guy that "don't care" LOL
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 127 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 23-Feb-2004 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (samface):
>>>>
There are no "ifs" nor any speculations in there, I was merely concluding that Genesi won the case by schemingly taking advantage of Amiga Inc.'s inability to defend themselves. That's not speculations about what could have happened, that's an analysis of what did happen.
>>>>
Come on Sam, even you are smarter then this. Bill Buck filed his suit in January, Bill McEwen lost his lawyer in late September after having delayed the court case (as is his practice see court cases 1-8) to that point. Just the points that are public record point to the delay tactics of McEwen. He missed the already delayed deposition and rescheduled it to after the end of the discovery process, (not the first one he has missed as CEO of Amiga Inc) he did not provide the discovery data until the late deposition, his entire legal strategy is delay, delay, delay on all cases, and then not show up when you cant delay any more. How can you blame Bill Buck for waiting out McEwens financial situation when everything McEwen did on the case was delay it going to the judge and increase his own legal costs.
-Tig
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 128 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 23-Feb-2004 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Tigger):
Amiga needs to start a legal defense fund drive, donations to a Paypal account, Ray are you listening?
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 129 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2004 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (MIKE):
LOL! :-)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 130 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 23-Feb-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (MIKE):
No they don't, the community needs to be clever and not send them another free dime, they havent done anything with what they got so far. I'm all for paying them for items they deliver, but they have 130K in coupon money plus all the VC money and we have nothing from them at this point. If you are going to donate money to the community, AROS, Amizilla, ANN and Amiga.org are all better places for your money to go, pick a favorite or send $5 to each. All of them are actually doing things, and the money will help the community, Amiga Inc cant tell a court where the money from the gamepaks went, havent paid a royalty to the gamepak authors, etc, really think any money you send them will go to legal defense, or to pizza for Bill. I've already bought my Pizza for the Snoqualmie Gang, dont think I or anyone else needs to buy more for them.
-Tig
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 131 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 23-Feb-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (MIKE):
No they don't, the community needs to be clever and not send them another free dime, they havent done anything with what they got so far. I'm all for paying them for items they deliver, but they have 130K in coupon money plus all the VC money and we have nothing from them at this point. If you are going to donate money to the community, AROS, Amizilla, ANN and Amiga.org are all better places for your money to go, pick a favorite or send $5 to each. All of them are actually doing things, and the money will help the community, Amiga Inc cant tell a court where the money from the gamepaks went, havent paid a royalty to the gamepak authors, etc, really think any money you send them will go to legal defense, or to pizza for Bill. I've already bought my Pizza for the Snoqualmie Gang, dont think I or anyone else needs to buy more for them.
-Tig
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 132 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Feb-2004 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (samface):
> ...and since Amiga had no legal representation, it wasn't exactly an achievement
> to convince the court that they were unreasonable.

Whatever you think, Sammy, the judge has ruled now, and that's all that matters. Reading BBRV on moobunny I see that interesting times are to come, for everyone, you included, which is definitely the best conclusion to this whole story.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 133 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Feb-2004 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Eva):
Eva, unless you're capable of making sentences that actually make sence i suggest you STFU

Cheers
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 134 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Feb-2004 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Christian Kemp):
Ah right, i knew i forgot to mention people in that list.

BTW, that beer i promised you during Amiga Benelux is still waiting for you ;)

Cheers
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 135 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Feb-2004 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fair enough.

Cheers
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 136 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Feb-2004 18:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (takemehomegrandma):
The BBRV way? you mean like:
- 1: Lie
- 2: When lie is discovered, make up a new lie
- 3: Hire key personel from the 'scene'
- 4: Fuck said people over (hard)
- 5: When you can't slime your way trough a deal, sue
- 6: Instead of cleaning house, disolve it (Thendic France)
- 7: Bride or steal

That the way you mean TMHGM?

Cheers
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 137 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 23-Feb-2004 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (takemehomegrandma):
I'll believe it when i see it (and if i see it, i'll wholeheartedly apologise to BBRV, but only then)

Cheers
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 138 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 23-Feb-2004 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Fabio Alemagna):
Reading BBRV on moobunny I see that interesting times are to come, for everyone, you included, which is definitely the best conclusion to this whole story.

Oh no! “May you live in interesting times!” Not that curse. :-)
You can’t pretend that a good faith reading of the contract and the summary is to demand that Hyperium port 4.x for them. Genesi are “interpreting” the judgment in a way that can only lead to another trial (this time wit Hyperium). Obviously Amiga has no means to fight even the most outrageous interpretation of the judgement. This will only slow down the development of Amiga 4.X. I don’t see how that benefits any computer user, unless you happen to own a Pegasos.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 139 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 23-Feb-2004 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (NihilVor):
First paragraph of message should read as a quote. Sorry about that.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 140 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by José on 24-Feb-2004 01:31 GMT
Thx all for the fun I really had a great laugh reading this ;)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 141 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Feb-2004 10:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Amon_Re):
Amen!
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 142 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by batman on 24-Feb-2004 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Amon_Re):
>The BBRV way? you mean like:
>- 1: Lie
>- 2: When lie is discovered, make up a new lie
>- 3: Hire key personel from the 'scene'
>- 4: Fuck said people over (hard)
>- 5: When you can't slime your way trough a deal, sue
>- 6: Instead of cleaning house, disolve it (Thendic France)
>- 7: Bride or steal

you forgot:

- 8: ????
- 9: Profit!

:-D
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 143 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Feb-2004 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (samface):
There are no ifs indeed...
Read this.
The judge would not grant the summary judgement motion if they weren't
sure that Amiga Inc had no evidence to prove that the contract was NOT breached.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 144 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 24-Feb-2004 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Read again, the judge granted plaintiffs request for summary judgement "in light of defendant's failure to participate in this litigation through counsel". That's the courts official reason for this summary judgement and no other.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 145 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Alan LM Buxey on 04-Mar-2004 17:22 GMT
any reason this rubbish is still on ANN.lu - and why its still lurking in the 'unmoderated' section?
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 146 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 09-Mar-2004 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Eva):
> But who need an Os that is still in alpha an 3 years late compared to Mos ...
> only 3-4 "name obsessed ppl"

If Buck-man doesn't want or need it, why the heck is he in court asking a judge to give it to him?? While he as said he doesn't want or need it, his behaviour doesn't quite match his words, huh? And he must be pretty desperate to get it if he can't pay his employees but feels it important enough to find enough money somewhere to pay lawyers to try and get AmigaOS4 for him...

I just hope things are over soon, so I know if the Amiga community will still exist at all and I can get OS4 from Hyperion, or if Buck wins, destroys the community and I find myself with nothing but to try and learn Linux on my PCs, as I ain't gonna buy anything from Buck-man. While there may be legality for how he runs his business, it seems to me personally to not be the kind of company I personally want to buy stuff from or myself do business with. I do have concerns about Amiga Inc.s ways of doing things as well, but they seem rather removed from the situation now, and Hyperion have not yet disappointed me or pissed me off, so I'll happily buy stuff from them.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 147 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 10-Mar-2004 00:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (samface):
samface says:

...and since Amiga had no legal representation, it wasn't exactly an achievement to convince the court that they were unreasonable. I mean, they didn't even have the ability to state their reasoning, for crying out loud. Bill McEwan did everything he could, but everything he said was dismissed since it was required of Amiga Inc. to have legal representation.

> Genesi's whole case was based on Amiga Inc.'s inability to defend
> themselves.

Well, that and the fact that Amiga Inc. signed a contract to produce Amiga DE for their devices in exchange for money per unit shipped.

> You see, Bill Buck had recieved the information that Amiga Inc.
> couldn't afford legal representation from his lawyers, and that's
> what he was counting on when filing a lawsuit against them. He was
> surprised and stunned when Bill McEwen actually showed up with
> lawyer Diana Shukis by his side.

Yah well he recovered pretty well too don't you think?

> However, I don't know how they did it, but somehow they managed to
> get her out of the way too.

Codename: RW. She sleeps with the fishies. ;)
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 148 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 10-Mar-2004 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Amon_Re):
Amon Re (trusted user) says:

> You know, if Hyperion goes after Epic, it's their god damned right to
> do so, and if that slimy two faced idiot thinks he needs to defend
> Epic, then i pity Epic, i wouldn't want to be caught in a 5 mile
> radius with the scumbag, let alone have his lawyers defend me.

You know, I have engaged in flamewars, but I try to limit myself to things I would actually be willing to say to someone's face should I ever meet them. Somehow I just don't see you making these insults to his face. So it just makes you look bad, not him.

I would also suggest that if you are going to persist in these comments on ANN and MooBunny (and ______?) that you put your actual name on them and that would at least show that you take responsibility for your rabid trashtalk.
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 149 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Mar-2004 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (bbrv):
HOLY SHIT!!! ARE YOU GOING TO AID ---TERRY COOKSEY---?!?!?!?
Hyperion to sue Epic for being a MorphOS obsessed company : Comment 150 of 150ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Apr-2004 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Amon_Re):
"Liar, Liar, pants on fire! Wash em' out in bubble gum and put them in the dryer!"


...Sorry, I couldn't resist!! : D
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