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[Rant] Free Video Toaster 4000ANN.lu
Posted on 01-Mar-2004 09:20 GMT by Bill Panagouleas35 comments
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I'm shocked no one has taken me up on my free Video Toaster offer. I'm shocked no one has taken me up on my free Amiga Video Toaster 4000 offer!

I even pay for the shipping so it is 100% FREE! All you have to do is agree to look at and work on the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer source code and show me some Amiga programs you have developed in the past.
This is a great deal will someone please take advantage of it?

Amiga developers are you on here?

More info in the Open Video Toaster forums.

http://www.openvideotoaster.com

Best regards


Bill Panagouleas
DiscreetFX
Founder/CEO
bill AT discreetfx DOT com
www.discreetfx.com
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 1 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by InsideIn (217.80.133.34) on 01-Mar-2004 09:32 GMT
The problem is that the Toasterhardware is outdated and A4000 is quite old too. Doesnt support pal and there is no videoboard avialable for AOne or Pegasos or will run the new NewTek toaster also in these new Amigas?
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 2 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (199.33.7.11) on 01-Mar-2004 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (InsideIn):
I would like to see the Amiga Video Toaster source code modified so it will run with the PCI PC Video Toaster (since it will fit into a Pegasos or Amiga One) instead of the Amiga Toaster thatís video slot based. Dependences would have to be removed from the source code of course, hard but not impossible! Then Amiga OS 4.0 & MorphOS would have a video editing solution. I don't mind paying the programmer that is able to do this!
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 3 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (213.225.65.74) on 01-Mar-2004 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Bill Panagouleas):
Maybe the PC sourcecode is equally interesting then?
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 4 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (199.33.7.11) on 01-Mar-2004 10:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Kjetil):
The SDK for the PC version of the Video Toaster is available here.

http://newtek.com/products/vt/downloads/index.html

The source code is not available but since what I am interested in a programmer adapting the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer source code to work with this PCI card only the SDK is needed.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 5 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by not a good programmer (129.70.94.165) on 01-Mar-2004 10:31 GMT
Well I would love to do so, but my programing skills for such a huge project are dimensions too small.
Hope someone with good skills will be found.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 6 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.84.167.195) on 01-Mar-2004 11:20 GMT
Buy a pegasos and you'll know why Amiga is outdated and nobody cares about your old poor stuff!
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 7 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (199.33.7.11) on 01-Mar-2004 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
The Pegasos II is fantastic, but your Video editing solution on MorphOS is????
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 8 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh (195.148.82.17) on 01-Mar-2004 13:07 GMT
I think situation could change when OS4 is released and when there is drivers for the video hardware needed.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 9 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh (195.148.82.17) on 01-Mar-2004 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Don't say nobody when you mean only yourself.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 10 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Alan LM Buxey (158.125.1.115) on 01-Mar-2004 13:10 GMT
doesnt do PAL, doesnt fit in my A1200......though other folks suggestions of
getting the PCI version up and alive are quite interesting!

alan
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 11 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime (67.106.203.98) on 01-Mar-2004 13:35 GMT
My programming skills are mostly on windows/unix these days, though I did write some stuff for the amiga/atari/ even the TI-99/4A a long time ago...I'm not sure if I would meet your qualifications (its moot anyway, I have no time), but even if someone else is out there who clearly meets the qualifications, I'm not sure if the free toaster is enough to entice them.

it would probably take a lot more, and plus, they may no longer own an A4000, that is quite an old and exotic machine to still own, more of a museum piece than a day to day computer. Personally I don't own any amiga hardware anymore.

well, with that said, what you are doing is marvelous, and I hope you will find someone to work on the project. Cause the amigaOne/pegasos could certainly use some video editing hardware/software.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 12 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by rez (81.49.208.191) on 01-Mar-2004 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Alan LM Buxey):
the pci card has to be supported.
a VHI driver would be usefull too.
then a rewrite of video toaster software would be a solution.
but not for an A4000 (even an accelerated one).
the offered Toaster A4000 should be considered as a bounty for collectors.

videotoaster-1200.
hahaha.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 13 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Eva (80.181.37.224) on 01-Mar-2004 14:18 GMT
The majority of skilled Amiga programmers are european so, a Ntsc dongled hardware is useless for our europeans. Ask to NovaDesign or in the Phoenix Consortium: you could find some good american programmers (that could have more interest in this project).

PS
About the video solution on Pegasos2 and Aone ... sure Toater is not an option: it's NOT produced and is NTSC.
Under Mos there is the project to support under VideoFX some cheap PCI boards (that are in production and are PAl too!)
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 14 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime (67.106.203.98) on 01-Mar-2004 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Eva):
out of curiosity I jumped over to the VT[3] website, and though it is a PCI card, it still wouldn't wouldn't be appropriate. For one, it is very expensive because it comes bundled with software like Lightwave 3D which would be totally useless expense for someone running an AmigaONE or Pegasos, and two, the specs recommended by newtek are a 2.4ghz P IV or better.

an 800mhz G4 is not similarly spec'd, I guess we can drag out the tired argument that our software would be more efficient, but we just don't have any software.

That is why I was about to come back here and withdraw my earlier comment about this being a good idea. This is coming from the wrong angle.

Like you said, pick a cheap card and start developing software for it. The newtek solution may seem like it has amiga roots, but it is not the best choice for developing a video editing solution on the new amiga hardware...in fact, it is not even close to being a good choice.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 15 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Eva (80.181.37.224) on 01-Mar-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (MarkTime):
Fully agree: better create software for cheap PCI video cards around (that continue to be produced and are cheap)
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 16 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by reflect (217.215.157.170) on 01-Mar-2004 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Eva):
isn't the whole POINT of this offer to take the source and get RID of the old chipset dependencies, making it easily portable to any graphics card?

Saying it is useless is counter-productive, it is easier to port something when you already have a fully working solution, as you can test each change..
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 17 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE (64.112.192.25) on 01-Mar-2004 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (reflect):
The Video Toaster is useless to Euro's, it was mostly an American phenomena anyway. The problem is the only decent coder's left doing anything amiga related are Europeans, and they have little interest in porting some ancient software (w/68k assembler) too PPC for little revenues, and 3 users.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 18 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 01-Mar-2004 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (MarkTime):
"Like you said, pick a cheap card and start developing software for it. The newtek solution may seem like it has amiga roots, but it is not the best choice for developing a video editing solution on the new amiga hardware...in fact, it is not even close to being a good choice."

I think it would make more sense to update Movieshop. The program already runs on a graphics card, so only the video card dependencies need to be changed. Unfortunately I doubt if Macrosystems would allow it.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 19 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by reflect (217.215.157.170) on 01-Mar-2004 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (MIKE):
@MIKE

You say the videotoaster is useless to most europeans. yes it is. this project, I thought, is there to move the software to more viable options, ie, any graphic card out there. I thought that was the point, and if that's it, stating that it's useless is just.. pointless.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 20 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE (64.112.192.25) on 01-Mar-2004 19:15 GMT
http://www.openvideotoaster.org.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 21 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE (64.112.192.25) on 01-Mar-2004 19:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Bill Panagouleas):
Bill why would anybody want to use the Video Toaster on the Pegasos/AmigaONE, when you can just use it on a much faster/cheaper PC machine, with supported software?
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 22 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey (80.189.18.7) on 01-Mar-2004 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Panagouleas):
>The source code is not available but since what I am interested in a
>programmer adapting the Amiga Video Toaster Flyer source code to work with
>this PCI card only the SDK is needed.

I doubt the SDK for the Windows version would be enough, as it would most likely only document the calls to the API needed to use the card, not how the API actually talks to the card.

Also, aren`t the available amiga sources in 68k asm ?
If you`re going to the hassle of getting the PCI version to work, you might as well start fresh and write in C or C++
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 23 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Aric Caley (208.57.69.38) on 01-Mar-2004 22:09 GMT
There really isnt much point in trying to port the video toaster software to any other machine or graphics card. No other card is going to be even remotely close, even the newest VT. Remember the VT goes into a video slot which is nothing like a PCI slot, its not even meant to be used that way. A video slot is like a really fancy VGA + Audio connector (only limited to NTSC).

Now, what I would like to do, is somehow squeeze an Amiga + video toaster into a case suitable for sticking into your living room entertainment center, and then program the software to be easily controled from a universal remote. Plug your DVD, VCR, Cable/Sat, TIVO boxes into it. Then you can watch multiple things at once; do picture in picture tricks; amaze your friends when you swich from one to the other with a really cool transition effect.

It may no longer be suitable for professional video work, but it would still be great fun for day to day entertainment, parties etc. Make the interface ultra simple and remote controlable.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 24 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (24.14.87.244) on 01-Mar-2004 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Aric Caley):
Maybe only the interface (look and feel) could be ported.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 25 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (24.14.87.244) on 01-Mar-2004 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (MIKE):
Amiga/MorphOS geeks like to turbocharge their hotrods (Pegasos/Amiga One).
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 26 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE (64.112.207.215) on 01-Mar-2004 23:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Doobrey):
Not all of them, some of the applications are in C.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 27 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (199.33.7.11) on 02-Mar-2004 04:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (reflect):
Yes reflect, that is the POINT, thank you.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 28 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 02-Mar-2004 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Bill Panagouleas):
Unfortunately... Without HW documentation there is no way to replace that functionality with Software. And without those features, what's left of it?

Besides.. It's a lot to do, and very few people have time/interest on heacking such old code. Not to mention tallent and knowledge to make it happen.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 29 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (199.33.7.11) on 02-Mar-2004 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (JoannaK):
I'm working on getting this as well.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 30 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 02-Mar-2004 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Bill Panagouleas):
Ok.. I can perhaps help on some part of trying to understand the HW.. But I'm not capable enough of coder to make it happen.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 31 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by JJK (67.101.13.130) on 02-Mar-2004 19:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Bill Panagouleas):
Bill,

Considering the size of the project (and the lack of PAL support in the hardware), your idea about porting the UI may be quicker to implement. This is not to imply the original idea isn't worthwhile, but is there another way of achieving the same goal?
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 32 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by AP (80.108.34.221) on 03-Mar-2004 09:29 GMT
Every Video-solution for AmigaOne/Pegasos is very welcome. But how about firewire? The Pegasos has allready Firewire and for the AOne: Take a cheap PCI-firewire-card and add some drivers (firewire.device?). This would be a good base to creaste/adapt Videosoftware (and you can use almost any DigitalVideocam). I think "MotionStudio" for MOS goes in this direction.
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 33 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by JoŽl EHRET (213.166.196.18) on 03-Mar-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (AP):
The point with firewire is as USB does, FireWire require a stack software and not only a hardware driver... so, before writing a Hardware driver, the stack has to be written... and no, poseidon can't be used for firewire...

BTW : does anyone already asked newtek for VT3 hardware doc ?
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 34 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas (199.33.7.11) on 03-Mar-2004 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (JoŽl EHRET):
Will the VT[3] SDK located here do? Or do you need more?

http://newtek.com/products/vt/downloads/index.html
Free Video Toaster 4000 : Comment 35 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Crumple (207.6.187.224) on 04-Mar-2004 04:22 GMT
So, let me get this straight.. The VT 4000 is FREE, as long as you agree to program? Last time I checked FREE meant no cost or obligation. That's like saying "I'm surprised noone has taken me up on my offer for free money! All you have to do is show up at an arranged time and do work for me, and I'll give you the money, ABSOLUTELY FREE!"
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