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[News] Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio!ANN.lu
Posted on 02-Mar-2004 09:37 GMT by wow78 comments
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In a post @ MorphZone the author of ANR posted a preview of his upcoming ANR: Click here! This looks really great!
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 51 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 03-Mar-2004 09:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (XraalE):
"1) None of the #AmigaZeux team have AmigaONE, or OS4. We vary from being disinterested in to outrightly hostile to Hyperion's OS, for a number of reasons which I won't go into. But I guess everyone should know them. Needless to say, ANR will never be ported to OS4. Ever."

The present version works fine on Amithlon, so it should work OK on AmigaOS.

Sorry to hear about the hostility. IMO both the Hyperion and the BPlan teams are doing a good job in difficult circumstances.
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Posted by Don Cox on 03-Mar-2004 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Gelb):
"Besides that, ANR won't stop working on AmigaOS, it's just this particular GUI module. So, if you want to have this GUI, you have to get MorphOS somewhere. "

Personally, I prefer the green-on-black GUI to the screenshot of the new one. I'm not fond of that type of GUI, and I prefer to run a program like this on its own screen where there is plenty of room for the track listings window etc.

So I would hope that future versions will still support the older GUI and will run on Amithlon.
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Posted by Gelb on 03-Mar-2004 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Roj):
> You've slacked off just about everything else.

Exactly where?
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Mar-2004 10:15 GMT
I think the people complaining about other people actually doing
something productive should shut up and do something productive
themselves, instead!
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 55 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 03-Mar-2004 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Johan Rönnblom):
Agreed. Gelb is writing a great program, and people shouldn't hassle him for that.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 56 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 03-Mar-2004 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (XraalE):
"1) None of the #AmigaZeux team have AmigaONE, or OS4. We vary from being disinterested in to outrightly hostile to Hyperion's OS, for a number of reasons which I won't go into. But I guess everyone should know them. Needless to say, ANR will never be ported to OS4. Ever. "

Ofcource you can do like that with your own product if you want. You have right for that. But what you say sure is not wise, I think it's simply childish. If you want to restrict number of users to half of this small community then fine, do so. But again it's not wise.

Most of those who are writing some application/game do understand that it really does not make sense to set restrictions like that. Most of developers want as many users as possible for their product, if you don't then fine it's your choise. I'm sure that sooner or later there will be similar application which has both MOS and OS4 version.
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Posted by Don Cox on 03-Mar-2004 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (XraalE):
"I don't have much sympathy for non-progressive solutions like emulation. They go nowhere. "

I disagree with that. Now that CPUs are so fast and RAM is plentiful, emulation has become a very powerful tool which can save an immense amount of rewriting of existing code.

That will free programmers to write applications that do things never done before.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 58 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 03-Mar-2004 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Gelb):
It's one of those "guilty by association" things, plus you've had an offer for your work to be compiled by someone with all the necessary hard/soft-ware to get it working on OS4, but you don't seem to have anything to do with the offer, at least at this point. You have to admit, it does appear to be somewhat one-sided.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 59 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 03-Mar-2004 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Johan Rönnblom):
Are you saying people shouldn't express their opinions? The fine effort put into ANR isn't what the discussion moved to. Someone pointed out a sight-unseen hostility toward a good project. My opinion differs.

_shrug_
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Posted by XraalE on 03-Mar-2004 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Roj):
"And you look, Gelb, an olive branch was proffered in your direction toward someone with a general interest in "another" OS and he was told that the OS he prefers is hated to the point of hostility by the people you associate yourself with."

For every good guy like Pete on the OS4 side, there are 20 morons who fud MOS given half a chance. "Not Amiga. Patch solution. No focus. Not done by real Amiga people. Buggy. GENSEI hell army." All that total bull that's been spouting for almost four years now until people have actually started to believe it. And AmigaWorld concentrating it and crystalising it with biased moderation and directed malice...

Do you think we were going to swallow it all then give our free time to reward them for it?? We simply don't want to support these people any more, not one bit. We apologise if good, genuine Amigans get in the way, but that's the way it is, and that's why our resistance is passive, not active.

In the end, ANR is freeware, done by Gelb in his precious free time, so he can dictate what he wants to support and what not. If anyone doesn't like that, gcc and vbcc are available for free download. Get coding.
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Posted by itix on 03-Mar-2004 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (top):
> BUT why this next AminetRadio will not support AmigaOS3.9 for use on Amiga classics and WINUAE and AMithlon computers that some of them are even faster that any Pegasos. It does, but is crippled, and the development+testing is done in Pegasos. If it works in 68k Amiga, fine, but if it doesnt, too bad. Developers can't waste their time on a legacy support forever. > AminetRadio doesn't too much cpu power, this new version can probably run on any >68030-68040 Amiga. Streaming MP3 on a bare 030/040 cpu is not exactly enjoyable.
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Posted by brotheris on 03-Mar-2004 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Roj):
you've had an offer for your work to be compiled by someone with all the necessary hard/soft-ware to get it working on OS4

If you've read carefully, ANR is written in E. It means 68k application. New gfx module uses new MOS functions and IIRC new functions (which could substitude one in MOS) can't be accessed by 68k programs on OS4. Correct me on last part if you know more.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 63 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Stefkos on 03-Mar-2004 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Roj):
I have question to hyperion.
Will they create MorphOS version's converted games?
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 64 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Stefkos on 03-Mar-2004 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Stefkos):
and programs.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 65 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Gelb on 03-Mar-2004 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Roj):
> It's one of those "guilty by association" things, plus you've had an offer
> for your work to be compiled by someone with all the necessary hard/soft-ware
> to get it working on OS4, but you don't seem to have anything to do with the
> offer, at least at this point. You have to admit, it does appear to be
> somewhat one-sided.

Peter made it clear that, if the GUI was written in E, he would not be interested. Well, it is written in E. There might be an SDK at some point, so that everyone interested can write their own GUI modules. At this point in development there is no SDK because everything regarding the GUI API is still not fixed.

As for the one-sided view and (kind) hostility towards OS4 and the people involved, XraalE made it quite clear (maybe a bit too aggressively worded) where this hostility originated.
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Posted by Roj on 03-Mar-2004 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Stefkos):
I'd be willing to bet they won't, for reasons similar to those voiced earlier. Seems like a couple of dogs chasing their tails, doesn't it.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 67 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 03-Mar-2004 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Gelb):
> Peter made it clear that, if the GUI was written in E,
> he would not be interested. Well, it is written in E.
> There might be an SDK at some point, so that everyone
> interested can write their own GUI modules. At this
> point in development there is no SDK because everything
> regarding the GUI API is still not fixed.

...more than fair enough.

> As for the one-sided view and (kind) hostility towards
> OS4 and the people involved, XraalE made it quite clear
> (maybe a bit too aggressively worded) where this hostility
> originated.

I understand the frustration, believe me. I just don't think he went back far enough in his history book.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 68 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 03-Mar-2004 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Roj):
"For whatever reason, the PowerUp developers refused to work well and get along with others, which forced the creation of WarpUp, their own PPC solution."

That is not true. For whatever reason H&P was not happy with *internal* BETA PowerUP software of the CyberStormPPC developer board *kindly provided by phase5*, and they decided to hack something of their own. Don't forget that the "performance problem" was fixed well before the PowerUP went public.

"Phase5, as you recall, threw some nasty hardware catches into certain PPC boards"

That is not true. There are no such catches. There is no anti-WOS code anywhere.

A1200 PowerUP card models were to include all software on flash from the beginning, way before this H&P conflict.
Also, there is simple way to "fix" this "hardware catch" by using 100% documented and supported method: by replacing the Resident tags with dummy ones. BPPCFix does exactly that, and thus disables the flashed driver software, allowing you to use whatever software you like.

Yet, if there really is such code, why didn't later flash updates for CSPPC also include it? Wonder who the source of all this misinformation was? Should check from groups.google.com I suppose.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 69 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Mar-2004 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Roj):
For "Historic Reason" Just have a look in googles Usenet Archive..
And guess what.. P5 released oficially its PPC Boards and guess what, the very same time
Warp OS was released.. But suuuuure it was just fair competition right?
H&P s Intension was clearly to have their own piece of cake on PPC Market, not enough for them having
their Compiler ported, but they did have to make their own kernel and start to split...

And btw if you read this whole mess carefully, there is nearly no comment from Ralf Schmidt, but then many many
Comments from a Guy called "Magic SN", making false Statments, calling R.S. Names and so on.. guess what this guy is doing nowadays....
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 70 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Mar-2004 13:46 GMT
One suggestion... maybe wait till OS4 is actually out or even close being released.. and then start whining for ports?
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 71 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 03-Mar-2004 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Chain|Q):
"A Pegasos1 is for sale ladies and gentlemen, fully configured, and in good condition. His previous owner died because lack of oxygen. :)"

Leave my Peg1 alone. I warned you :)
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Posted by Lando on 03-Mar-2004 17:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Stefkos):
>I have question to hyperion.
>Will they create MorphOS version's converted games?

I asked this a while ago (on this very site iirc) and the answer (I think it was Steffen who replied) was that there would be no MorphOS versions of Hyperion games, as Hyperion has no interest in Morphos, and MorphOS users who bought 68k or WOS versions to use on their Pegasos wouldn't receive support.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 73 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Monoxyde on 03-Mar-2004 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Lando):
There is also the matter of licensing. Hyperion have only got licenses for the Amiga port. Porting the game for further OSes would ofcourse cost more.
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Posted by Gelb on 03-Mar-2004 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Roj):
Indeed, Häusser is still around (guess that's far enough back in time) claiming all kinds of fantasies and being the clown he always was. He and a dozen other people made it quite easy a decision to take sides, but of course the general availability of MorphOS and new hardware could have been the main reason.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 75 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 04-Mar-2004 06:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Gelb):
Let me apologize for putting words in peoples' mouths and following the FUD too closely. This mess is too deep for us mere mortal-types. I'll go and let the hotter heads prevail.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 76 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 04-Mar-2004 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):
The WOS vs PUP, as I see it...

H&P starts reverse engineering PowerUP to create their own solution, WarpOS.

In the meantime, lots of FUD is spread about PowerUP.

PPC accelerators that come with PowerUP are released to public.

WarpOS is released to public. In the same time H&P release COMMERCIAL C compiler that can generate WarpOS code.

So, who are "the bad guys" here? Surely P5...

Stealing other peoples work, badmouthing it, and starting to make money with it... But that's how it happened...

Also (correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that "AmigaOS4 native programs" are closer to PowerUP than WarpOS.
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 77 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 04-Mar-2004 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Jupp3):
I believe that "AmigaOS4 native programs" are closer to PowerUP than WarpOS.

ELF is evil ? =)
Watch out for the new AmiNetRadio! : Comment 78 of 78ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Mar-2004 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Jupp3):
ELF is a monster !

Yeah, evil Phase 5, they develloped CyberStorm PPC and Blizzard PPC, evil !!!
ex Phase 5 employees are still working on Amiga project (Pegasos/MorphOS), evil guys !
H&P stop, they are so sweet !!
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