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[News] AmigaOne no on-board sound?ANN.lu
Posted on 06-Mar-2004 01:38 GMT by lawd135 comments
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Commenting a recent news item on amiga-news.de, Davy Wentzler of OS4 fame said the on-board sound of the AmigaOne does not work, furthermore explaining the chip is physically not present on AmigaOnes produced the last 9 months. Frank Gutschow said on 05-Mär-2004, 23:38: "Meines erachtens sollte definitiv wirklich ersteinmal der Onboard-Chip des AmigaOne unterstützt werden."

Davy Wentzler answered on 05-Mär-2004, 23:45: "I'm gonna say it once more: it doesn't work. There's even a big chance, the chip is not physically present anymore on boards manufactured in the past 9 months."

Will Eyetech exchange all defect and component missing AmigaOnes or will they refund users that received broken hardware?

AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 51 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Mar-2004 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (IanS):
>>Sound problems due to bus locking problem of Articia crapola...

>Really?! That's not what I heard.
>Articia was only a very small part of the problem... but I guess you knew that right?

The articia looks to be a big part of the problem. If you use simultaneously the sound and another PCI device eating a lot of bandwith you end up with clicking effects with the articia.

So to solve it 2 things where done:
- Releasing a new Radeon Driver using less bandwith
That is what I call a workaround. However even if the clicking sound effects were limited there are still there on the Pegasos 1.
- Releasing a new board with a new NB. Since the Pegasos 2 there is no more sound clicking.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 52 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 06-Mar-2004 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hi Don

> AmigaOS' API is, instead, really broken in that it _assumes_ that pointers
> can be passed around and lets common application access vital parts of the
> system, giving them the chance and ability to crash the whole system by
> writing wrong values at the right place.

That's not brokenness - it's a design feature. You can justifiably say that this is not what we want in a modern, desktop operating system - but you can't justifiably call it broken.

If you don't like it, don't use AmigaOS. There are plenty of other operating systems out there.

Cheers,
Rich
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 53 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 06-Mar-2004 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Remco Komduur):
> The point of the matter remains. There is just as much wrong with the Peg1,
> Peg2 and MorphOS and you know it.

Maybe you should consider getting a clue first before commenting in a public forum?
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 54 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Mar-2004 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Remco Komduur):
And you missed mine too.

"Why complain about the others hardware whilst your own isn't problem free. And that goes for both OS'es too."

I reacted to your post because you say people are immature bashing the other side every time there is a problem surfacing and then you bash MorphOS for it stability.
The HW problems are higly debatable as some problem can be fixed in SW (ex: the via IDE lock ups that linux cope with). However I do understand that some people may really have to say something when a feature like sound is missing.
I did moderate all the trolling in the thread (eg people who participate in the thread with the only intention to bash the AmigaOne).
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 55 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Mar-2004 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Richard Drummond):
> That's not brokenness - it's a design feature.

It's a design decision, not a design "feature".

> You can justifiably say that this
> is not what we want in a modern, desktop operating system - but you can't
> justifiably call it broken.

I call it broken in the light of what it's needed nowadays. Systems without MP are ok only where you have full control over the whole system, and that's true only at the embedded level, but on a desktop OS such absence is harmful.

> If you don't like it, don't use AmigaOS. There are plenty of other operating
> systems out there.

Why do I get the feeling you took it personally? I do like certain concepts in AmigaOS (or rather, AmigaDOS), I like the overall simplicity and usability, but there have been certain design decision that leave a lot to be desired and which I'm free to criticize.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 56 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 06-Mar-2004 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Richard Drummond):
> > This is one way in which the AmigaOne is inferior to the A2000 and even the
> > A4000 (which has 4 independent slots and a video slot).

> I would disagree. The A2000/4000 may have had more slots, yes, but the A1 has
> on-board Ethernet and USB - much more useful than an extra slot, IMHO.

Truely! And a present-day AmigaOne case can hold FOUR CD-Rom/DVD drives without cramping the PSU. No Flicker-Fixer (or pass-through) needed!

About the only blot is having to fit a Catweasel Mk3 . . . now an integrated Catweasel-chipset would have been more useful than on-board sound!
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 57 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 06-Mar-2004 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Fabio Alemagna):
Do you call a fully functional vinyl-player broken
just because it cannot play todays compact disks ?

I wouldnt :)
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 58 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 06-Mar-2004 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hi Fabio

> It's a design decision, not a design "feature".

There's a difference? ;-)

Back in the day, surely it was a "feature", since this is what enabled AmigaOS's efficient IPC. Sure. if the hardware for memory protection was readily available at the time, it could have been done differently.

> Why do I get the feeling you took it personally?

Not at all. I just get rather irked sometimes that people expect the developers of AmigaOS 4.0 (and MorphOS) to be able to wave a magic wand and cure all the ills of the world in a snap. It's not going to happen.

IMHO, the lack of a decent browser for Amiga-like platforms is a more serious issue for the average user than a lack of memory protection.

Cheers,
Rich
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 59 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Mar-2004 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Leif):
> Do you call a fully functional vinyl-player broken
> just because it cannot play todays compact disks ?

> I wouldnt :)

I wouldn't either, but there's nothing intrinsically broken about a vinyl player, it's not like if you put a "bad" vinyl in it you can manage to destroy the player, is it?
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 60 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 06-Mar-2004 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Fabio Alemagna):
Actually I think it would be very possible to destroy it :-)
Anyway, what Im objecting to, is that you shouldnt call something
broken if it isnt. Broken means it doesnt do what it is (was)
intended to do. We know what AOS was intended to do and it does that.
And some more. Sure, just semantics, but Im drinking beer and feel like
wasting time on silly arguments ;)
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 61 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Mar-2004 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Richard Drummond):
> > It's a design decision, not a design "feature".
>
> There's a difference? ;-)

Certainly there is. People can make wrong decisions, and so design decisions can be wrong as well. Features, on the other hand, are deemed to be "good" thing, you'd never think of them as bad things.

> Back in the day, surely it was a "feature", since this is what enabled
> AmigaOS's efficient IPC.

But you needn't expose such a "feature". User programs ended up implementing copy message-passing anyway, since you obviously cannot keep working on the data
you just sent to another task.

> > Why do I get the feeling you took it personally?

> Not at all. I just get rather irked sometimes that people expect the
> developers of AmigaOS 4.0 (and MorphOS) to be able to wave a magic wand and
> cure all the ills of the world in a snap. It's not going to happen.

Well, surely that's not me? I'm _exactly_ saying that AmigaOS is instable by design, that nothing can be done about it.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 62 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Mar-2004 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Atheist2):
"There's a big lesson to be learned here.

What is it? CUSTOM CHIPSET motherboards ROCK!!!!!"

No they don't. We had just as much trouble with Buster as with Articia S.

And have you noticed how many revisions of the A2000 motherboard there are? And what about the timing problems on A1200s ?
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 63 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Mar-2004 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Sam Smith):
But with PCI Soundcard AmigaOne is so big and clumsy and doesn't have any advantage over Pegasos with only 3 free PCI slots.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 64 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Mar-2004 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Richard Drummond):
"> This is one way in which the AmigaOne is inferior to the A2000 and even the
> A4000 (which has 4 independent slots and a video slot).

I would disagree. The A2000/4000 may have had more slots, yes, but the A1 has on-board Ethernet and USB - much more useful than an extra slot, IMHO."

That frees one slot (occupied by Ethernet card in A2000). I think there should be 5 or 6 free slots (not shared with AGP) in a serious desktop computer. The A4000 is badly limited by having only four slots, in my experience.

I do think there is a use, and a market, for a small non-expandable model like A500 or MicroA1, as well. But your "big box" needs plenty of slots, and every known socket, legacy and otherwise.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 65 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Mar-2004 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Remco Komduur):
>So let's just quit with these endless discussions and people PRETENDING to be shocked when something doesn't work.

I am shocked the T-shirts aren't being delivered yet!
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 66 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Mar-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Richard Drummond):
@Rich

Exactly right. The AOne is a first version system too. If OS4 is a success then I am sure we will see versions with more slots.

---
Sam
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 67 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Mar-2004 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Sam Smith):
No we won't, we will see a microATX board similar to Pegasos however.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 68 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Mar-2004 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
Eh? Sorry if you feel upgrading your sound to a decent level of quality makes your computer 'clumsy'. How can adding a PCI card make a machine 'big and clumsy'? What are you planning to do with it - test its efficiency in a wind tunnel may hap? ;)

---
Sam
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 69 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 06-Mar-2004 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Don Cox):
Articia and Marvell chips are more or less our custom chips today.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 70 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 06-Mar-2004 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Don Cox):
Hi Don

> I do think there is a use, and a market, for a small non-expandable model
> like A500 or MicroA1, as well. But your "big box" needs plenty of slots, and
> every known socket, legacy and otherwise.

IMHO, the A1 is not meant to be a "big box" computer by your definition. It's more of a proof that a PPC Amiga motherboard is viable.

Sure you can lament that it doesn't have 15 hot-pluggable PCI slots, USB 2.0, Firewire, on-board RAID, Infiniband and a widget for hooking up your coffee maker - but it's available and it works (perhaps not flawlessly, yet), which is more than the market has ever had before, despite many promises.

Cheers,
Rich
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 71 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Mar-2004 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
You are right that for a bigger size the Amigaone does not offer more features.
However there is a feature of the Amigaone I like: The CPU daughter card. It can feat better in low profile cases.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 72 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 06-Mar-2004 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (itix):
Custom in a way that they have to be different for the PPC.
However not custom for their functionalities which are unfortunately not at the level of the performance of the x86 world.
However that may change with the next generation mobos using the G5.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 73 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 06-Mar-2004 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hi Fabio

> Certainly there is. People can make wrong decisions, and so design decisions
> can be wrong as well. Features, on the other hand, are deemed to be "good"
> thing, you'd never think of them as bad things.

What's wrong or right is a matter of interpretation, though. One man's bad decision can be another man's feature.

And then you can always rely on the marketing people to turn a design decision into a feature - no matter how bad. ;-)

> I'm _exactly_ saying that AmigaOS is instable by design, that nothing can be
> done about it.

If nothing can be done about it, why criticize it? Accept the limitations and move on.

Cheers,
Rich
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 74 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 06-Mar-2004 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Remco Komduur):
"The point of the matter remains. There is just as much wrong with the Peg1, Peg2 and MorphOS and you know it. So commenting on the problems of other hardware and OS is really pointless."

Yes, whining about OS bugs in public is pointless, but care to list the problems of the Peg1 and Peg2, I'd be interested to know...


- CISC
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 75 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Mar-2004 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Richard Drummond):
> If nothing can be done about it, why criticize it? Accept the limitations and
> move on.

Uh... so I can't speak about it? This is dunny, to say the least... I was merely participating to a discussion not started by me. Applying your logic, if this fact bothers you, accept it and move on. No?
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 76 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Sigbjørn Skjæret on 06-Mar-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (samface):
"bPlan also made a prerelease of their hardware (and OS) which they called the "Betatester" and they also made several revisions of their boards as flaws in the design became appearant. Would you say that the Betatester was intended to swindle the customers too?"

No, because every single one of them got their boards traded in with fixed ones .. I guess that's why there's people asking why this isn't done for A1's too...

Oh, and what supposed flaws in the design was this (apart from the obvious one; the use of ArticiaS)?


- CISC
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 77 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Mar-2004 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Don Cox):
>IMO "broken by design" is an over-dramatic way to say "it doesn't have memory protection."

But it is broken by design, on many levels. No resource tracking, no memory protection, no validation of parameters by most OS functions, no protection against buffer overflows, one comon address spaces, string arrays in public structures, deadlock issue, no reference counts in critical structures, no protection against NULL pointers, murky concept of sharing library bases, and the list goes on. It works, most of the time, but it is never going to make it to Mars or into a surgical robotor ;) With AmigaOS, you can never be sure that the mp3 player or browser used while compiling doesn't shoot into the compiler's address space and introduces a subtle bug.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 78 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by SinanG on 06-Mar-2004 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Kronos):
@Kronos:

MicroA1 has a CMedia sound chip on board...I turned on MicroA1 (the one that Eyetech has sent to Istanbul for demonstration purposes) for the first time an hour ago...I can say that on board sound is working ok with kernel 2.4.22's CMedia module...
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 79 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 06-Mar-2004 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hi Fabio

> Uh... so I can't speak about it?

It was a question. Why criticise it, if it can't be changed?

Cheers,
Rich
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 80 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Mar-2004 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Richard Drummond):
> It was a question. Why criticise it, if it can't be changed?

Because it was the topic of the discussion, and I said my opinion.

I don't see how anything can be wrong about it.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 81 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Gareth Knight on 06-Mar-2004 17:53 GMT
>Certainly there is. People can make wrong decisions, and so design decisions >can be wrong as well. Features, on the other hand, are deemed to be "good" >thing, you'd never think of them as bad things.

Features are not intrinsically good or bad. Digital Rights is a feature. Is it a good or bad idea? It depends upon the position you take on the issue.

The decision to leave out memory protection was a good decision at the time. The Amiga would never have attracted such a large market if developers could not optimise their games/applications for the hardware. This is one of the reasons early Macs and IBM PCs could not compare to early Amiga software. Memory protection only became an option when hardware prices were sufficiently low for consumers to afford them.

The tragedy is the AmigaOS source code was left unmodified for years. Hyperion have done an amazing job in combining current needs while remaining compatible with old software. Time will tell which approach to Amiga compatibility (bPlan or Hyperion's) is more elegant in terms of support for current and future needs.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 82 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 06-Mar-2004 17:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Fabio Alemagna):
Hi Fabio

> I don't see how anything can be wrong about it.

Did you see me say that it was wrong. ;-)

Cheers,
Rich
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 83 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Mar-2004 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Anonymous):
"But it is broken by design, on many levels. No resource tracking, no memory protection,"

At least those are being improved for AOS4. New programs will be able to use resource tracking, and there is some limted (but worth while) memory protection.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 84 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Mar-2004 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Gareth Knight):
"The decision to leave out memory protection was a good decision at the time. The Amiga would never have attracted such a large market if developers could not optimise their games/applications for the hardware. "

It was left out because the 68000 doesn't have a built in MMU, not to make life easier for games programmers. I am sure it would have been included if an MMU had been present.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 85 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 06-Mar-2004 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Remco Komduur):
Remco Konduur says:

> The point of the matter remains. There is just as much wrong with the
> Peg1, Peg2 and MorphOS and you know it. So commenting on the problems
> of other hardware and OS is really pointless.

The onboard sound on Pegasos works. You don't have to buy any extra soundcard with a Pegasos. I guess you are saying that because Pegasos is not perfect, it is just as bad as AmigaOne, but I disagree.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 86 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 06-Mar-2004 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Gareth Knight):
> The decision to leave out memory protection was a good decision at the time.

Memory protection has very little to do with all this, we're talking about API's, not how they are implemented. We're talking about the fact that system vital data is out in the open, and programs are SUPPOSED to access that public data directly, without using setters/getters. That's what we're talking about.


> The Amiga would never have attracted such a large market if developers could
> not optimise their games/applications for the hardware.

This has nothing to do with memory protection...

> This is one of the
> reasons early Macs and IBM PCs could not compare to early Amiga software.
> Memory protection only became an option when hardware prices were sufficiently
> low for consumers to afford them.

Again, memory protection has nothing to do with all that, the issue was better HW, certainly not better or more efficient SW.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 87 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 06-Mar-2004 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Don Cox):
>It was left out because the 68000 doesn't have a built in MMU, not to make life
>easier for games programmers. I am sure it would have been included if an
>MMU had been present.

Sorry Don, but better stop talking about thinks you know so little about....

An Amigalike-OS with MP would have been possible with the 68010 (there is an external
MMU for that, but I forgot it's number), BUT it would have been much much slower,
much harder to write, and would haven taken more space in RAM and on disk.

The AmigaOS was designed to work fast on very limited resources, and that where the
developers knowingly mad compromises against stability.

Even on a 68030 the difference would probraly still be noticeable, but it is absolute no
problem on what passes as miminal HW these days.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 88 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 06-Mar-2004 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Kronos):
One could offcourse ask how "amigalike" an OS could be that uses a different way of
messaging, and hides all his system-structures .....
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 89 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Mar-2004 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Anonymous):
This is why it must and, if OS4 is successful, will be upgraded. Are you saying that it is impossible to fix any of these problems? AOS does so many things 'right' that it would be foolish to abandon it as an alternative product.

Even with all of the above I would gladly welcome OS4 into my productive office of PCs. It has great potential just waiting to be fulfilled.

---
Sam
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 90 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Mar-2004 19:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Kronos):
I suppose the cost factor of adding the 68010 plus the MMU may have stopped the original Amiga team from using it therefore making the 68000 the best option at the time.

The MMU is the 68551.

---
Sam
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 91 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Megol on 06-Mar-2004 19:45 GMT
AC97 is the standard interface between the sound controller (often integrated into the bridge chipset) and the audio codec. Ac97 is _not_ inheritly slower or lower quality than using any other interface to the codec.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 92 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 06-Mar-2004 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Daniel Miller):
> The onboard sound on Pegasos works. You don't have to buy any extra soundcard
> with a Pegasos. I guess you are saying that because Pegasos is not perfect, it
> is just as bad as AmigaOne, but I disagree.

Hmm it does? Is there a driver update I don't know about or how did you make it work?
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 93 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 06-Mar-2004 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Martin Blom):
Martin Blom says:

> The onboard sound on Pegasos works. You don't have to buy any extra soundcard
> with a Pegasos. I guess you are saying that because Pegasos is not perfect, it
> is just as bad as AmigaOne, but I disagree.

> Hmm it does? Is there a driver update I don't know about or how did you make
> it work?

Huh?! I plugged in the speakers, that's how I made it work. There is no soundcard in there.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 94 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 06-Mar-2004 20:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Sam Smith):
Sure costs may have been a factor, but I seriously doubt that it was the reason for
leaving it out. MP does have a performance-penalty, and it does mean more RAM
is needed. Both were in short supply on a machine with 7MHz and 256KB ....
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 95 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 06-Mar-2004 20:12 GMT
Just for the record, onboard sound worksfine on Peg I & II. :)
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 96 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 06-Mar-2004 20:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Daniel Miller):
And it doesn't sound like crap when you move windows?
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 97 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 06-Mar-2004 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Martin Blom):
I personally have not noticed any sound degradation when I move windows around. One of the great things with mPlayer on MorphOS is that you could move these great big DIVX windows around and the movie keeps playing, and so does the sound.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 98 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 06-Mar-2004 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Daniel Miller):
Its there without April.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 99 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 06-Mar-2004 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Leif):
Weired. I pretty sure I have April.
AmigaOne no on-board sound? : Comment 100 of 135ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 06-Mar-2004 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Martin Blom):
It would be easy to spot.
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