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[News] Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back!ANN.lu
Posted on 16-Mar-2004 06:09 GMT by samface129 comments
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Amiga Inc. has returned to the court, backed up with legal representation, new evidence and testimonies. With these resources, the defendant Amiga Inc. has managed to come up with a response to plaintiff's motion to modify order granting specific performance, no less than six declarations, and a certificate of service.

The names of those who have filed a declaration are:

Barrie J. Moss AKA "Fleecy" (Amiga Inc.), Evert Carton (Hyperion), Garry Hare (KMOS), Ray A. Akey (Amiga Inc.) and Bill McEwen (Amiga Inc.).

Furthermore, Ray A. Akey filed 11 new exhibits (exhibit A-J) along with his declaration, which are recurringly refered to throughout these new case filings.

You can read all about it here:
http://www.mindrelease.net/amiga-thendic.

Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 51 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Favrin on 16-Mar-2004 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (T1k):
>Score: 5, Insightful

What is the prize for my score? ;-)
I'd like to get a big big boing ball to play with on the beach!
Is 5 enough for it?
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 52 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 16-Mar-2004 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Darrin):
...and except for rants, insults and blatant lies, what have you ever contributed?

All I see in this dispute is a bunch of crooks accusing another bunch of crooks. That pretty much applies whichever way you look at it.

Anyone who says either side is a paragon of virtue is probably a crook himself.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 53 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 16-Mar-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Graham_nli):
Really? I suspect you suffer from selective reading syndrome.

Darrin has a track record of posting abuse as long as your arm. He may be slightly more eloquent than Eva, but he matches her in every way when it comes to preferring abuse to rational discussion.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 54 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Bill Hoggett):
>...and except for rants,

Rants? Not me.

>insults

I insult those that itsult me. You should know, I did it to you a couple of posts back.

> and blatant lies,

I never lie, and for you to insinuate that I have makes you the liar.

> what have you ever contributed?

Obviously a hell of a lot more than you judging by the email I receive. Doesn't sitting on the fence, sniping at both sides make your bum hurt?

>All I see in this dispute is a bunch of crooks accusing another bunch of
> crooks. That pretty much applies whichever way you look at it.

If you think I enjoy reading long threads about court cases then you're wrong. I would personally like to see Gensei concentrate on producing the Pegasos/MOS, Hyperion and Eyetech on the AmigaOne/OS4 and a legal version of Amithlon released to I can buy the bloody thing.

>Anyone who says either side is a paragon of virtue is probably a crook himself

My track record is clean... apart from the speeding fines...
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 55 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Bill Hoggett):
>Really? I suspect you suffer from selective reading syndrome.

I really think that you do. Obviously anyone that doesn't agree with you is a "liar" and a "troll". You should have been around for the Salem Witch Trials - the Catholic Church would have hired you on the spot.

>Darrin has a track record of posting abuse as long as your arm.

Defending myself is a more apt description, but feel free to bend the facts to support your lame accusation.

> He may be slightly more eloquent than Eva,

Thank you :-) I'll buy you a pint for that.

> but he matches her in every way when it comes to preferring abuse to rational
> discussion.

Owch!!! But after that remark I'm going to spit in it when you're not looking ;-)
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 56 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 16-Mar-2004 15:21 GMT
Who is KMOS? Are they "good"? do they have a reliable business track record?
All I can say, is at least someone picked up the ball....I just hope they have a
good track record.

Anyone know how I can find out about them??? Besides asking BBRV?
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 57 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Mar-2004 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (acg):
Well, we Amigans and our emotions in combination with corporations, "Good", "Evil", etc, hehe ...
;-)

Since no-one has heard about this KMOS, and since no info is available on the net, I'd say that it's probably a new founded holding company with its only purpose of owning OS4 so that Amiga Inc can either focus on Amiga DE (yeah, right!), or die in piece without letting OS4 die with it (more likely). Since they seems to be a completely new company, they have no track record yet, and the company is managed by Garry Hare, a person that some people actually claim is a fake and doesn't exist!
:-D
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 58 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (takemehomegrandma):
> a person that some people actually claim is a fake and doesn't exist!

And you continue to make up things while you on your merry way.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 59 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hickman on 16-Mar-2004 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (acg):
@acg
Anyone know how I can find out about them??? Besides asking BBRV?

What's wrong with buck... don't you trust him? Muahahahahahahah

Doin the Jig Jig Jig
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 60 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 16-Mar-2004 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Darrin):
If they decide to call it Rupert, we'll know for sure that the end is near (see Mostly Harmless by Douglas Adams). :-)
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 61 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 16-Mar-2004 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Amon_Re):
Right, this is where we ph34r jor 1337 ski11z, correct? :-D
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 62 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Damien McKenna on 16-Mar-2004 17:30 GMT
Hell hath frozen over.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 63 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by T1k on 16-Mar-2004 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Gabriele Favrin):
Well I wasn't ironic if that's what you think.
And yeah, the score is enough for that boing ball of yours :)
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 64 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 16-Mar-2004 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Darrin):
The Salem witch trials had nothing to do with Catholicsm, the folks were called "Puritans" an offshoot of Christianity, the biggest difference being their belief in predestination. Grab a history book before you start trying to use historic events in your analogies.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 65 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 16-Mar-2004 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Lennart Fridén):
I have no l33t n4k3d skillz :)
But i do know how to code, it's not because i didn't release anything worthwhile that i'm ignorant about how a C compiler works (or assembler for that matter)

Cheers
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 66 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Bill McEwen on 16-Mar-2004 20:21 GMT
Yesterday, Amiga Inc introduced documents to the United States District Court identifying Mr. Adam Ceremuga as the author of the forged letter attributed to Amiga's CTO, Fleecy Moss. I was very disappointed to find that Mr. Bill Buck presented this document to Judge Robert Lasnic as fact.

Bill McEwen
CEO
Amiga, Inc
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 67 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 16-Mar-2004 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Bill McEwen):
hey bill if it's the real you..

that's cause i admitted to it on moobunny u idiot!
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 68 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Lost souls on 16-Mar-2004 21:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Damien McKenna):
"Hell hath frozen over."

Nah,!

The Ice that Buck has been walking on has cracked.

Now, the sunshine of truth and the spring of the new year, has brought a major meltdown.

Buck your in water now, soon it might become Hot water!
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 69 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 16-Mar-2004 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Graham_nli):
" So what were they doing signing that license agreement with Thendic? "

Have you read the agreement? It is in the submitted evidence. It shows that Amiga Inc. don't have a transferrable license for TAO's technology. It also shows that the agreement was for Thendic's Windows CE device. Pegasos isn't that. It also shows that Amiga Inc. would do the port once the hardware details were given to them - also something that never happened. It also says that Amiga aren't bound to supply the source code in case of non-compliance.


Hang on - I'm genuinely confused here; anybody care to point out the mistake(s) in this simplified summary?

AmigaDE runs on intent.

The whole point of intent is to allow applications to be platform-independent.

Therefore AInc. don't need any detailed hardware info, or even any software source, to "port" DE; all they need is intent on the platform, and that's Tao's business, not AInc.'s.

Help? Anybody?

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 70 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-Mar-2004 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (cheesegrate):
If it is McEwen, who's the bigger idiot - the guy who kept bbrv from stealing (and canning) OS4, or the guy who got caught lying for bbrv?

(PROTIP: NOT MCEWEN.)
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 71 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 16-Mar-2004 21:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Some Farker):
hey idiot i wasin't lying for buck... it's called satire..
shove that..
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 72 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-Mar-2004 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (cheesegrate):
Yeah, satire that your genious boss took as gospel and tried to build a legal case around. Bravo.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 73 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 16-Mar-2004 22:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Bill McEwen):
Yea, especially when all one has to do is read amiga.com's website, and various Fleecy Moss/Ray Akey postings around the web, to glean the same information.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 74 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 16-Mar-2004 23:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Some Farker):
Ooh, yes, Mr. Farker - no-one can conceal the truth from your penetrating gaze!

Do you have any other super-powers you'd like to reveal to us mere mortals?

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 75 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 17-Mar-2004 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (MIKE):
and if you bother to read some of the books used to "detect" and "obtain confessions" from the witches, you'll find one that contained a foreword from the Pope himself exclaiming what a jolly good guide it really was.... The fact is, in Europe it was the Catholics that had the most fun burning witches and scientists that dared to suggest that the church was wrong. The Catholic church killed people and their family members for suggesting that the Earth revolved around the Sun...
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 76 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 17-Mar-2004 00:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Gregg):
Hang on - I'm genuinely confused here; anybody care to point out the mistake(s) in this simplified summary?

AmigaDE runs on intent.

The whole point of intent is to allow applications to be platform-independent.

Therefore AInc. don't need any detailed hardware info, or even any software source, to "port" DE; all they need is intent on the platform, and that's Tao's business, not AInc.'s.

Help? Anybody?


Because of the the way Intent works, they theoretically have 'source' or 'porting' rights for portions within the Intent environment ("just" rewrite or replace some 'tools'); I'm not sure how that goes for the HAL or whichever ?II (is that the PII, or was 'P' for processor?) is involved to interface with a host OS (MorphOS?). The detailed hardware info -- which this seems to claim is no more detailed than 'Zico' -- seems to do with the design of DE itself, wherein if DE is frozen at the 'Player' stage, they need to hardcode in a screen resolution somewhere to get it to go. (This also seems like a bit of a goof, because if DE is defined as the Player, presumably the Windows player doesn't have that problem; sounds like they wanted to keep 'consistency' with the CE Player, where it's fullscreen or bust. Or this was still about the SmartBoy or Eclipsis, where, at least on the smaller device, that mode of operation would be preferred.)
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 77 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 17-Mar-2004 01:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Graham_nli):
>>Didn't the 3.5 and 3.9 source code belong to Haage & Partner?
>Does it? Why do they owe Amiga Inc money for selling OS3.5 and OS3.9
>(and Amithlon) if they "own" it? ;-)

They (H&P) own the source code they wrote, they owe Amiga money as part of the license agreement to use their name/trademarks and Amiga IP etc...
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 78 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 02:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (cheesegrate):
Satire is not the illegal impersonation of another person, and forging documents from them. Not only did you forge the e-mail from Fleecy, you then posted it under somebody else's name, not your own. It might have been seen as satire if you had posted it yourself!

That is quite a big crime you know, when it starts affecting things like your forged e-mail did.

Anyway, it would be interesting to wonder if you did that all on your own, or whether someone suggested to you to make a post containing an e-mail purporting to be from Fleecy containing certain content.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 79 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 17-Mar-2004 02:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Bill McEwen):
I was very disappointed to find that Mr. Bill Buck presented this document to Judge Robert Lasnic as fact.

I wonder if the real Bill McEwen knows how to spell the judge's name.

-- gary_c
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 80 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Spitballz on 17-Mar-2004 02:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (gary_c):
I guess you never read his press releases. HAW!
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 81 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 17-Mar-2004 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Graham_nli):
Anyway, it would be interesting to wonder if you did that all on your own, or whether someone suggested to you to make a post containing an e-mail purporting to be from Fleecy containing certain content.

Yeah, because there's no way the truth would come out. In fact, it's so safe to do this that the mysterious Someone would do all this and then send it in to a court as knowingly fabricated evidence against a company employing the impersonated person. They'll never find out! Mouahahahaaaah!

Sheesh. Is this [wrongpla|amigaworld].net?

As a side note, Fleecy's recent declaration to the court is the only tangible evidence that it was a fake to begin with. AInc sent a bunch of clippings from Internet forums (not even the forum where the fake was posted) where a person, whose only credentials and identifiable features was being able to type "cheesegrate" in a text entry field, claimed to be the one who posted the e-mail and that is was a fake. Akey declares that he's been in contact with Adam C (cheesegrate, but none of that correspondence was submitted to the court.

Speaking of clippings from web forums; despite all these people (NO LESS THAN SIX!!! ;)) declaring things, AInc failed to produce one single statement from the plaintiff made BEFORE or AT THE TIME the "OEM Licensing Agreement" was signed (Nov. 2000). Wouldn't this be the only relevant thing, to try to prove that the plaintiff somehow knew that AmigaOS and DE/AA/AACE/AG242/yadayada were/would become separate products when they signed the contract? Why send in all this crap if it's irrelevant?

BTW, "Amiga vs Thendic"? We're talking about the (closed) "Thendic vs Amiga" case here, aren't we? Isn't the plaintiff supposed to be written first?
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 82 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Seehund):
> As a side note, Fleecy's recent declaration to the court is the only tangible
> evidence that it was a fake to begin with. AInc sent a bunch of clippings from
> Internet forums (not even the forum where the fake was posted) where a person,
> whose only credentials and identifiable features was being able to type
> "cheesegrate" in a text entry field, claimed to be the one who posted the
> e-mail and that is was a fake. Akey declares that he's been in contact with
> Adam C (cheesegrate, but none of that correspondence was submitted to the
> court.

cheesegrate has even said so on ANN that it was him, and at least here there is a trusted user system. Also the IP was traced to him. Maybe the lawyers are preparing a second set of submissions to the court as well.

Sheesh.

Keep on trying to diss Amiga Inc any way you like Seehund, but this time they actually have a leg to stand on.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 83 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2004 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (gary_c):
Such a stupid comment Gary, how old are you? 6?
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 84 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Seehund):
>Wouldn't this be the only relevant thing, to try to prove that the plaintiff somehow knew that AmigaOS and DE/AA/AACE/AG242/yadayada were/would become separate products when they signed the contract?

There's actually at least one document that I read last night from Buck that says that he has no interest in AmigaOS and that he recognize the two are separate. It's in the McEwen's declarations.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 85 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 17-Mar-2004 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Graham_nli):
> cheesegrate has even said so on ANN that it was him, and at least here there is a
> trusted user system. Also the IP was traced to him.

I think it was rash and stupid of BBRV to submit an unvalidated forum post as evidence in a case before a court of law. Likewise it's rash and stupid to assume that something is a fake just because somebody says so in a comment on an Internet forum. To go from there and accuse the submitter of the "evidence" with perjury and fabrication of proof is highly idiotic.

Cheesegrate doesn't use the trusted user system here. It could have been anybody. The IP was traced to cheesegrate? No, it was "traced" (the hostname looked up) to one unidentifiable computer connected to the 'net by an Australian ISP.

I do believe cheesegrate posted the joke e-mail, I do believe it was cheesegrate that said it was a fake. I have no reason to doubt this, and this is not my point. The thing is that confessions typed on a messageboard (and it was on Moobunny, not ANN, IIRC) by a person whose only identifiable characteristics are an IP address and a nickname are worthless for trying to prove to a court that BBRV "should've known" that it was all a fake. Fleecy's sworn declaration that he didn't do it should be enough, and IMO BBRV should've asked him first. It's the only reliable validation, as far as I can see ("fleecy" and "reliable" in the same sentence, and yet the universe didn't implode!). Akey saying that he's been in contact with cheesegrate is meaningless to the court, I'd believe, unless he can produce that correspondence. It's funny that some cognitively challenged people now accuse cheesegrate for being "BBRV's crony" and having done it on BBRV's orders (what for? To make BBRV appear stupid before the court?), and at the same time as they accept cheesegrate's word that it's a fake they also refuse to accept cheesegrate's word that he did it all on his own.

Hm, this post feels like a waste of time. I've forgotten if I had a point somewhere. Maybe it was something about an Internet joke blown up to hysterical proportions. :)

My post was no dissing of AInc, BTW. They're fully capable of producing disrespect on their own.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 86 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Seehund):
> I think it was rash and stupid of BBRV to submit an unvalidated forum post as
> evidence in a case before a court of law.

Not only a non-validated forum post, but one in which some of the first replies were questioning strongly the validity.

"Rash and stupid" is correct - because he has been caught out - he was using it to get the spread of the decision widened by the judge to include AmigaOS4. Faked e-mails are the norm on ANN, everyone knows that. Using one without verification given the circumstances would be gross stupidity to the point of insulting the court.

> It's funny that some cognitively challenged people now accuse cheesegrate for
> being "BBRV's crony" and having done it on BBRV's orders (what for? To make
> BBRV appear stupid before the court?)

I don't think that BBRV expected any kind of resistance from Amiga Inc at all. I'm pretty certain that Amiga Inc getting lawyers and actually started to do something in the court case will have come as quite a surprise to him.

Anyway, the IP address was in Australia, so that does rule out Fleecy regardless of who wrote the forged e-mail. And it is odd that an e-mail was forged with certain content that would suddenly support bbrv's court case amendment.

Yes, i'm a cynic. The whole Amiga market is fishy, there are no angels, only uselessness, vague promises and delays.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 87 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 17-Mar-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
>> Wouldn't this be the only relevant thing, to try to prove that the plaintiff
>> somehow knew that AmigaOS and DE/AA/AACE/AG242/yadayada were/would become
>> separate products when they signed the contract?

> There's actually at least one document that I read last night from Buck that says
> that he has no interest in AmigaOS and that he recognize the two are separate.
> It's in the McEwen's declarations.

But nothing of that is from before or at the time the contract was signed.

BBRV/AInc want specifics from their respective interpretations of the contract they signed on Nov. 10th(?) 2000 to be entered in the court's verdict. Their opinions on things that happened after the contract was made and signed can be bickered about in their spare time and by us in the fora. :) As an armchair lawyer as good as any I don't think it's of relevance to this case and to the court.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 88 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 17-Mar-2004 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Seehund):
It's funny that some cognitively challenged people now accuse cheesegrate for being "BBRV's crony" and having done it on BBRV's orders (what for? To make BBRV appear stupid before the court?), and at the same time as they accept cheesegrate's word that it's a fake they also refuse to accept cheesegrate's word that he did it all on his own.

Uh, Seehund old chap - it goes like this :

1) Form subjective view of reality.
2) Receive fact.
3) Fit fact into subjective view (may require some tools).
4) If fact still does not fit, use custom-built replacement from your friendly local fact retailer.

It's easy if you try, you know.

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 89 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 17-Mar-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Graham_nli):
Hey Graham_non-linear-interpolator, let's look at this from a different perspective :

What would it take to prove to you that cheesegrate did _not_ write that spoof e-mail at the behest of, or indeed with any intention of giving aid to, Bill Buck?

If you're curious, I'm just thinking of the scientific definition of a theory, in that you should be able to define how it can be proved false if you want to defend it; that's being a little simplistic, but you get my point.

Now, the corollary is, if you can't present this "proof of falsity" argument, you should keep quiet about your theory, to avoid embarrassing yourself and irritating others.

Please?

Thanks awfully,

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 90 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 17-Mar-2004 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Gregg):
I think Graham has a very valid theory that holds about as much water as most of the other theories that get bounced around ANN.

Now personally, I think Cheesegrate acted on his own because he just wanted to "stir the pot" and he's been the master of this in the past (and only recently been replaced with the likes of TMHG). However, there's still a chance (let's say 1%) that he DID make the post "under orders". In that case, I think it's worth pointing out.

Just my 2 pence worth... and you know how much I love to add my thoughts to a thread whether they're needed/wanted or not. :-)
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 91 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Gregg):
I'm just saying it is a strange coincidence, that's all.

I don't even know if Adam Ceremulga (cheese grater) is one the blue side or the red side (it appears we have sides), or a grey in the middle. Regardless, faking an e-mail and saying it is from someone is illegal, and using unproven text from a website knowing that it was most likely a forgery as fact in a court case is also not looked upon approvingly. "Sorry guv'nor, honest mistake!" doesn't wash well in a court!
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 92 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 17-Mar-2004 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Graham_nli):
> [faked on BBRV's initiative] what for? To make
> BBRV appear stupid before the court?

> I don't think that BBRV expected any kind of resistance from Amiga Inc at all.

Come on, you don't need to be a lawyer hired by AInc to point out to a court if they have gotten false evidence, do you? For example, an "it has come to my attention" letter from Fleecy would be quite enough, wouldn't it? Submitting a faked statement from a third party who doesn't follow the proceedings might have worked in some court case somewhere, but I can't see how submitting a faked statement from either the defendant or the plaintiff themselves could possibly work.

Besides, why would BBRV hire/ask/force/blackmail/threaten/bribe/whatever cheesegrate to post a fake e-mail to a messageboard, instead of simply doing it themselves? Cheesy's got that renowned author and impersonation skills? :)

This must be one of the most fragile conspiracy theories I've seen during the last few years, including everything about NASA and the Illuminati. :)

> Anyway, the IP address was in Australia, so that does rule out Fleecy
> regardless of who wrote the forged e-mail.

http://ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=forum&file=1077728127.msg

The quoted "e-mail" didn't come with detailed mail transfer headers. It was the ANN post that was from Australia (where the invented submitter "John Burgess" also claimed he came from).

> And it is odd that an e-mail was forged with certain content that would
> suddenly support bbrv's court case amendment.

The plaintiff's suggested amendment to the verdict doesn't depend exclusively on this single piece of "evidence", there's no need for BBRV to forge anything like this to begin with. Had it been real, it would just be another inch on the heap that the plaintiff feels that he's already got supporting him.

BBRV and their lawyer have exhibited transient braindeath when picking this one piece of evidence. Now that evidence will be thrown out on routine as it should. Yet another amusing tidbit has passed under our eyes. The non-event is over. My popcorn is getting cold.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 93 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 17-Mar-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Darrin):
Darrin, are you one of those people who watch those surreal "courtroom drama" TV programs, and when some suit asks "But isn't it _possible_..." followed by some highly unlikely postulate, think to yourself "Well, it depends on your definition of "possible", dunnit?"?

I am.

And by my definition of "possible", cheesegrate spoofing for Bill Buck is impossible.

Look at this another way :

It is _possible_ that you are not a blithering idiot, but I'm not going to waste any time at all entertaining that possibility because it is so remote as to be, for all practical purposes, impossible.

See?

Regards,

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 94 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 17-Mar-2004 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Graham_nli):
How unexpected!

You didn't answer a simple question, and then answered a question that wasn't asked.

Your theory is looking pretty poorly; perhaps you should put it out of our misery?

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 95 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Gregg):
I JUST SAID IT WAS A STRANGE COINCIDENCE.

sheesh, i just broke the caps lock key
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 96 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Mar-2004 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Graham_nli):
"Regardless, faking an e-mail and saying it is from someone is illegal,"

But posting a satirical parody of a public figure to a web forum is not.
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 97 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Plaz on 17-Mar-2004 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Atheist2):
"AmigaOne! AOS4.0! K-M-O-S is IN THE NET!!!, comin' at you @ 4.0 GigaWatts of PURE POWER, ba-by!!!!"

You make me laugh Atheist2, thanks :)
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 98 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 17-Mar-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Graham_nli):
I'm beginning to think you are one big Strange Coincidence all by yourself, graham_nli...

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 99 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 17-Mar-2004 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Thanks for attempting an answer "Floid", but I'm not sure I extracted anything useful from that. Your posts often have this affect on me; I suspect it's because you're too clever for me to keep up with, but I'm not sure...

To clarify what I _do_ understand : Yes, some simple info like display sizes and resolutions is pertinent, but what else?

Still flummoxed...

Regards,

Gregg
Amiga vs Thendic Update: Amiga is Back! : Comment 100 of 129ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Don Cox):
No ... however satire is satire - you know you are getting satire from Public Eye, The Onion. A forged e-mail posted as the truth is not satire! It is a forged e-mail.
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