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[Rant] I've been had.ANN.lu
Posted on 17-Mar-2004 00:58 GMT by I've been had.86 comments
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I'm pissed. I don't know how else to say it. I willingly participated in the "I Am Amiga" club for the sole purpose of helping Amiga to further AmigaOS, and now I find out that they didn't even OWN AmigaOS when I sent them my money! What right did they have in taking my money under this false pretense? I will never trust anyone in this community again with my money, everyone has turned out to be nothing but liars.
I've been had. : Comment 1 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaYeR (217.118.46.250) on 17-Mar-2004 00:15 GMT
Ever heard the phrase "...and then there was AROS" =) how about joining a REAL open community project instead? nothing to loose there.
I've been had. : Comment 2 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 17-Mar-2004 00:28 GMT
Is that you bbrv?

Take some responsibility for yourself.

If you've sent money to them in the last few months and expected anything than you're a moron.
I've been had. : Comment 3 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 17-Mar-2004 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Agima):
Last few months? Apparently Amiga Inc haven't owned AmigaOS since April 2003.
I've been had. : Comment 4 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.42.47.71) on 17-Mar-2004 00:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (4pLaYeR):
Yes but also not a lot to gain, AROS development is pathetically slow.
I've been had. : Comment 5 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 17-Mar-2004 00:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
How do you figure it's slow? AmigaOS has been worked on for almost 20 years now, where is it? Not too far off from where AROS is, IMO.
I've been had. : Comment 6 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 02:05 GMT
I think that the chances of the starter of this thread actually having purchased anything from Amiga Inc. are very low.

Maybe KMOS will have some capability with T-Shirts, lol!

I must assume that the responsibility for OS4 coupons, etc, will have passed onto KMOS as well, although getting this cleared up might be a good idea.
I've been had. : Comment 7 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (217.157.142.72) on 17-Mar-2004 02:46 GMT
Who says you won't get your money's worth?
I've been had. : Comment 8 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone (24.241.148.80) on 17-Mar-2004 02:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Graham_nli):
> I think that the chances of the starter of this thread actually having purchased anything from Amiga Inc. are very low.

I don't know, although I don't think many would have given money to Amiga Inc, if they had known that Amiga Inc didn't own AmigaOS.

Right now, Genesi actually have more to do with AmigaOS than Amiga Inc. Genesi sell hardware potentially capable of running it, Amiga inc have no ties whatsoever.
I've been had. : Comment 9 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (206.15.137.225) on 17-Mar-2004 03:31 GMT
>I've been had.

That's not even english, it's french translated litterally.
I've been had. : Comment 10 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods (68.104.218.21) on 17-Mar-2004 03:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Think how the VC's must feel!
I've been had. : Comment 11 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 03:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
"I've been had" is a common phrase in English used when the speaker of the phrase has been conned.
I've been had. : Comment 12 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (T_Bone):
Right now, Genesi actually have more to do with AmigaOS than Amiga Inc. Genesi sell hardware potentially capable of running it, Amiga inc have no ties whatsoever.

True, but KMOS now have more to do with AmigaOS than Genesi, and Hyperion certainly do. I'm sure that most people are happy that Amiga Inc. and their mixed up policies regarding everything are now out of the picture.

As long as KMOS don't turn around and simply kill the AmigaOS stuff (unlikely, as people such as Hyperion appear to be very happy with this new deal) anyway.
I've been had. : Comment 13 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Cow (195.212.36.106) on 17-Mar-2004 05:39 GMT
Somebody set up us the bomb.
I've been had. : Comment 14 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 17-Mar-2004 06:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Graham_nli):
>True, but KMOS now have more to do with AmigaOS than Genesi

K-who? How can you say such when you have NO idea what so ever who KMOS are. Not to mentions things will probably change in very near future.
I've been had. : Comment 15 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 07:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (hooligan/dcs):
Looks like you've missed the news over the past day. KMOS LLC bought the rights for AmigaOS from Amiga Inc. Whether or not they are a holding company or not, it gets what most Amigans are interested in away from Amiga Inc, but not into the hands of bbrv or Microsoft, and current development and agreements are still valid and fine. Win!
I've been had. : Comment 16 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Troll detector (213.84.167.195) on 17-Mar-2004 07:19 GMT
BEEP BEEP BEEP !

Nice FUD from a blue troll!
I've been had. : Comment 17 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 17-Mar-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Graham_nli):
You seem to know a lot. Unfortunately I haven't had to the possibility to get insider-info. Can you enlighten me about KMOS then? How much assets? what have they done? url for their website?
I've been had. : Comment 18 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 17-Mar-2004 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
">I've been had.

That's not even english, it's french translated literally."

It's perfectly normal slangy English.
I've been had. : Comment 19 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund (81.229.107.175) on 17-Mar-2004 07:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Graham_nli):
I'm sure that most people are happy that Amiga Inc. and their mixed up policies regarding everything are now out of the picture.

Are they? We don't know what/who KMOS are (or even IF and WHY they are).
KMOS doesn't necessarily have to be much more than an AInc afterthought, a list of names (well, one name so far) invented to separate assets from AInc and keep creditors from getting what they're owed when it's time to jump ship and file for bankruptcy.

It's too early to tell.

As long as KMOS don't turn around and simply kill the AmigaOS stuff (unlikely, as people such as Hyperion appear to be very happy with this new deal) anyway.

There was ominous sounding stuff about a contract involving Eyetech. If that means that the current compulsory "Amiga hardware" licensing/bundling idiocy is still in place, then AmigaOS has already been killed. Just like before this last weekend. But we still don't know what that contract says.

Hyperion "appearing happy" means nothing. They have "appeared happy" no matter what twists and turns AInc have done during their years at the helm. (Or "during their years of lying drunk on the deck somewhere near the helm they bought".) That's nothing specific for Hyperion, if you're unhappy in business you don't necessarily let the world know this, especially not on a corporate fansite (I haven't seen them comment on a real site yet).
I've been had. : Comment 20 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.36.104.66) on 17-Mar-2004 09:01 GMT
When the SCAM was set up the assets were not transferred. You would have had to have paid for your SCAM membership last summer for this to be true.

PS: When you have done throwing toys out of your pram can I have the little red fire engine? You can keep the teething ring.
I've been had. : Comment 21 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice (24.200.200.24) on 17-Mar-2004 10:04 GMT
Admiral Ackbar says: "It's a trap."
I've been had. : Comment 22 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 17-Mar-2004 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Agima):
Only Amiga makes it possible.
I've been had. : Comment 23 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 17-Mar-2004 10:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Graham_nli):
Why not send an email for Garry Hare or some other high KMOS official and ask them to clearup situation? I'm sure they are willing to hear your concerns and their marketing staff is surely willing to assure AmigaOS users.
I've been had. : Comment 24 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom (193.11.248.17) on 17-Mar-2004 10:39 GMT
Heh, wouldn't it be quite funny if KMOS actually turns out to be owned
by BBRV?

Not that I have any desire for them to own AmigaOS, but getting to
see the reaction from some of the zealots here would really be
priceless.
I've been had. : Comment 25 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Johan Rönnblom):
If that was the case (bbrv is wittering on about having some "Knockout Punch" on that boot-lick-fest website of his, and it probably isn't cocaine-laced fruit punch, although there are plenty of fruits in the Genesi bowl) then it would be AROS for me (despite Fabio Alegmanera) or nothing.
I've been had. : Comment 26 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 17-Mar-2004 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Johan Rönnblom):
Buh... I thought that for a while (and discarded the idea as a way too loony) when this Kmos deal was first leaked to public about a month ago.
I've been had. : Comment 27 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 17-Mar-2004 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
Speaking of AROS, from http://www.aros.org/ "The AROS repository is running on a password protected CVS server, which means that you need to apply for access to it to be able to collaborate in the development. At the request of Amiga Inc., anonymous read-only access to the repository has been disabled." Since Amiga Inc is gone this should be void now and AROS team can grant anonymous access?
I've been had. : Comment 28 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (itix):
Why did Amiga Inc. request that in the first place anyway?
I've been had. : Comment 29 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 17-Mar-2004 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Graham_nli):
> then it would be AROS for me (despite Fabio Alegmanera) or nothing

Thanks for the cheap shot, very manish of you.
I've been had. : Comment 30 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 17-Mar-2004 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (itix):
> Since Amiga Inc is gone this should be void now and AROS team can grant
> anonymous access?

No chance, the CVS server wouldn't be able to afford the load. You've got daily snapshots of the CVS, those should be enough :-)
I've been had. : Comment 31 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Fabio Alemagna):
I can't afford expensive shot though :(

I have to make do with grit, not lead. Even rabbits laugh.
I've been had. : Comment 32 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 17-Mar-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Fabio Alemagna):
@falemagnAh ok. I was browsing aros.org one day and wanted to see how AROS source code looks like and noticed this there. @grahamNo idea but probably nothing dramatic.
I've been had. : Comment 33 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 (24.83.209.186) on 17-Mar-2004 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Seehund):
Hi Seehund,

> Are they? We don't know what/who KMOS are (or even IF and WHY they are).
> KMOS doesn't necessarily have to be much more than an AInc afterthought,
> a list of names (well, one name so far) invented to separate assets from
> AInc and keep creditors from getting what they're owed when it's time to
> jump ship and file for bankruptcy.

You are a LIAR! Quit spreading FUD. You know you are!

> It's too early to tell.

Too early to tell? YOU will make it up, apparently.

...and more drivel...

Then

> Just like before this last weekend. But we still don't know what that contract says.

It's none of your GD business.


More drivel then...

> (I haven't seen them comment on a real site yet).


You're SO kind here, you have just insulted ANN.Lu, Amiga.Org, MooBunny, AmigaWorld.Net and Amiga.com. Should they expect an apology from you? They shouldn't hold their breath, but that's just the kind of sweetheart guy you are, I guess.



Pegasos! MorphOS1.4! You have yours, but want to steal others', what's up with that??????
I've been had. : Comment 34 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 (24.83.209.186) on 17-Mar-2004 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (T_Bone):
> I don't know, although I don't think many would have given money to Amiga
> Inc, if they had known that Amiga Inc didn't own AmigaOS.

Any money going into Amiga Inc.'s hands goes to keeping AOS and its' descendants going, until now (KMOS is the descendant), end of story.

> Right now, Genesi actually have more to do with AmigaOS than Amiga Inc.
> Genesi sell hardware potentially capable of running it, Amiga inc have no
> ties whatsoever.

Well, when you crack (and steal) the OS, you will.


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! More litigation..... :-( :-( :-(....
I've been had. : Comment 35 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 (24.83.209.186) on 17-Mar-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (T_Bone):
> How do you figure it's slow? AmigaOS has been worked on for almost 20
> years now, where is it? Not too far off from where AROS is, IMO.

Which version release of AmigaOS took 20 years to complete?


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! Fact or friction?
I've been had. : Comment 36 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 (24.83.209.186) on 17-Mar-2004 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous Cow):
> Somebody set up us the bomb.


ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

Maybe even bbrv's lawyer might not want to talk to them after THAT one!


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! Just as much fun in real life as in videogame life!
I've been had. : Comment 37 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund (81.229.107.175) on 17-Mar-2004 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Atheist2):
Sometimes I don't know if you're for real or just a perl script written by someone with a twisted sense of humour. If you exist in the flesh, I'd prescribe 25 mg prochlorperazine p.r. That should calm you down enough to perhaps make an effort to identify and understand the texts which you reply to. Right now it looks like you're far off this planet's surface arguing with some hallucination, while throwing in some random quotes from a post that just happened to be in your way.

Here, have a tagline:
Fentiazine-derivated low-dose neuroleptica! Antiemetica! In a sweet suppository! For managing agitated states and paranoic manifestations in schizoid syndromes and the arbitrary vomiting of inane and misguided bile in Internet forums.
I've been had. : Comment 38 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Seehund):
You're the one who is bitter about Amiga Inc and AmigaOS4 being tied to licenced hardware, even though this certainly isn't non-standard!
I've been had. : Comment 39 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 (24.83.209.186) on 17-Mar-2004 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Seehund):
Hi Seehund,

> Sometimes I don't know if you're for real or just a perl script written by
> someone with a twisted sense of humour.

Or maybe I'm Koko the Gorilla. That's all it would take to argue with some of the people in these fora. (Sorry Koko, they're beneath you.)


Or, as you prefer, maybe I'm at the end of a T1 line in an insane asylum? (Having cleverly lifted a key from an orderly, successfully snooped a user ID and PW off a shrink here, and have snuck into the computer room, I am now running amok in the cyberworld.)

Thanks for the tagline help.


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! The only medicine I need!!
I've been had. : Comment 40 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 17-Mar-2004 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (T_Bone):
>>Last few months? Apparently Amiga Inc haven't owned AmigaOS since April 2003.

Yeah, the post reads:

"they didn't even OWN AmigaOS when I sent them my money!"

That means he did it less than a year ago (even then giving money to Ainc would have been moronic) .
I've been had. : Comment 41 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund (81.229.107.175) on 17-Mar-2004 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Graham_nli):
Correctamundo, I'm one of those people. Your post has what to do with what?
Are you trying to lure me into typing one of those rants? ;)
I've been had. : Comment 42 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons (Registered user) on 17-Mar-2004 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Graham_nli):
AROS ows it's existance to the hard work and dedication of people like Fabio. They are working on AROS so that you can have an AmigaOS clone for free.

You should thank them, rather than take cheap shots...
I've been had. : Comment 43 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime (67.106.203.98) on 17-Mar-2004 15:43 GMT
You think you've been had! I just joined the I am amiga club today!
Now who's the bigger fool!

thought so.

finally, I win a point :-)
I've been had. : Comment 44 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons (Registered user) on 17-Mar-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (MarkTime):
heheheehe :-)
I've been had. : Comment 45 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Matt Parsons):
I do appreciate the work of the AROS team. I've used it a few times, even way back when it was a lot younger. Fabio is quite anti-AmigaOS though, or at least the posts of his that I have seen tend to be.

Being anti-Amiga Inc ... fine, they've been totally useless for the entirity of their existence, despite being interested in the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4 (and disappointed that it took longer, but I understand why). An awkward stance to take because the 'Red Side' think you are anti-Amiga, and the 'Blue Side' think you are a 'red' still.

I'm just tired today I suppose, so anyone is game for a cheap shot if they've offended me in the past somehow with their attitude or stupidity.
I've been had. : Comment 46 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE (64.112.192.25) on 17-Mar-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Graham_nli):
KMOS is a front company which Amiga Inc. has migrated their Amiga related assetts too (probably to hide from creditors). KMOS being incorporated in Delaware should say all you need to know about the company.
I've been had. : Comment 47 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by hgm (83.116.140.96) on 17-Mar-2004 16:34 GMT
<.......turned out to be nothing but liars. >
That's what I always said. But on the other hand ...... The internet is a collection of cheaters,crooks, conman and I almost forgot 99 % good faithull people.
You cannot/may complain about 50 bucks.
I've been had. : Comment 48 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by John (62.252.160.4) on 17-Mar-2004 16:39 GMT
Instead of making out this so-called saviour "KMOS" is anything good, why not post information what wonderful things they have archived or maybe like someone else said this could be a assests scam (AmigaInc loves a good scam).

To much ass licking in this community.
I've been had. : Comment 49 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 17-Mar-2004 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (hgm):
I sincerely hope that there aren't 50 Bucks in the Amiga market!

In reply to the other comment above:

KMOS appears to have been set up by the investors in Amiga Inc to get Amiga Inc to work on the Amiga DE, not Amiga OS. Yes, like little children Amiga Inc got their plaything taken away from them, and now they have to concentrate on tidying the bedroom.
I've been had. : Comment 50 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (204.73.96.132) on 17-Mar-2004 17:25 GMT
' I willingly participated in the "I Am Amiga" club for the sole purpose of helping Amiga to further AmigaOS, and now I find out that they didn't even OWN AmigaOS when I sent them my money! What right did they have in taking my money under this false pretense?'

I'm sorry but Amiga Inc. did provide updates and did interface with the developers for the purpose of informing the public of AmigaOS4.x. Fleecy, also, answered quite a few questions. Thus, your Amiga Inc was out of the loop statement isn't necessarily correct. You did get their messages and area for the $50 and I assume the $50 off a new AOS4.0 system will still apply for you. Thus, the sky isn't falling as bad as you think. Just sit back there's little us end users can do right now. But, don't renew if you don't think the program is bringing you any value.

While Amiga has my $50 I guess I just have more complex problems in my life and world to worry about. So, count yourself lucky if this is your largest problem.
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